For any who may be interested: I have come off the ETPW blog. I will not have assumptions made about me that are not true or be silenced by anyone into a submissive stance. This is in reguard to a prophecy that ETPW suppossingly had about Sarah Palin. First off, I am not “dazzeled” by Sarah Palin as ETPW would tell anyone who favors her for whatever reasons. I am not out to attack Miriam Franklin, either. There are things that need to be addressed and I say them here.
I, along with a few others, had previously asked numerous times if Miriam would enquire of God about Obama as easily as she did for Palin. She either ignored us or was too busy. If too busy, that is understandable. What would have been the harm in responding?
I had written the following in response to someone who had told me to “sit your butt down,” from a previous post:
Please do not treat my search of truth as just mere emotionalism–something that is just “ruffling” my “feathers.” You undermine my search for truth when you do. Stop accusing me of shooting anyone. You either unknowingly or purposely are accusing me of something I have not been guilty of.
“Besides, can we agree that people lie and put up false masks?”
Oh yes, we can all agree on that. I believe it is being done right here on this site in ways we don’t know or even aware of.
“We talk about it all day when it comes to false prophets, yet why is it we can’t believe that McCain/Palin would be doing the same thing?”
Are you looking for the “perfect” party? There is none. Why are you so focused on any supposedly falsehood of McCain/Palin but not focused on the actual lies and deceit being done in Obamas’ camp?
I think I know the answer to that. I have learned over the past few months, just as there are those within the body of Christ care nothing about the truth, so it is in the political arena.
I’m very much aware a lot of us have different views of what “truth” is. Human nature likes to feel “good.” Human nature never likes to be wrong or challenged in an area, just as long as they can continue to feel good and continue to believe they are right. Truth does not matter to people like this. Finding out you have been deceived makes no one feel “good.” So we like to build our own little kingdoms among ourselves and decide who speaks truth or not. Therefore NEVER questioning any thing a “leader“ may say for fear of not being accepted, for fear of being ridiculed, for fear of being found out wrong. This is the way cults are made, dear friends. This is the way cults are made.
It was said more than once, “I support neither…I’m tired of voting for the lesser of two evils.”
That is fine. It is still a free country here in America and people can do what they want. But if it is so hard for anyone to decide what is the lesser of “two evils here” then I believe some of you never really stood for anything to begin with or either you are lying. I believe the differences between both parties are obvious.
“I’ve been testing Miriam’s prophecies for almost a year and a half now, comparing them with events and seeing them fulfilled or working towards fulfillment.”
Good. Good for you. I’ve been watching also. But until anyone actually sees something fulfilled, do not just sit by and wait for the event to unfold. Be busy researching and testing all things. If anyone is as they believe about them self– a messenger of God, then this person, whoever it is, would have no problem with one testing, challenging or questioning. They would encourage it. I and others have asked the host of this site to enquire of the Lord for Obama as quickly as she did for Palin–yet, she neither responds or says she does not have to defend herself. I have not asked her to “defend” herself, only asked her as “the messenger of God” she proclaims to be, to enquire on ALL fronts. If anyone has a problem with that, then they need to ask God why. As for me, I will NEVER put all my eggs in one basket. If I have learned anything on this site it is to test ALL things. We have the hostess of this site to thank for that. For that I will be forever grateful.
Just because something has not yet to come to pass, does not mean we always act accordingly ahead of time in believing something is true. Like not voting or either changing a vote over to Obama because of some “vision.” Something stinks here and I won’t apologize for it. There is something very wrong when people all of a sudden check their brain in at the door at the “word” of any one person. There is something wrong when people who I have seen on this site with a passion for truth and with discernment the pass few months, all of a sudden panic in thinking they somehow have to sit this election out by not voting.
I’m tired of all you American haters. All of you who blame all the problems of the world on the U.S.A. You have problems in your own nations that have nothing to do with me or my country. Instead you desire to make us the patsy for your own wicked doings, whatever they may be. Many of you are jealous. Jealous of freedom. You can not wait to see us fall. Do not think that when we do, it will not affect you. It most certainly will.
And those who call yourselves Americans and hate our country so much? You are traitors, pure and simple. Why don’t you admit what you are? You are free to go elsewhere to live. Yet, you stay here and try your best to bring this nation down in one way or another. That makes you a traitor. You have the freedom of speech to say anything you want here. You hate our military who fights for your right to do so. That will change one day. It will change should our enemies come barging through your front door. You would gladly receive an American soldier to help defend you. But it may be too late by then.
I realize I have probably made some people mad. It has not been my aim. My aim has ALWAYS been one of looking out for the sheep and pointing others to truth. I am not a manipulator, or a deceiver or a hireling. I have enjoyed meeting you on this site the past few months. God knows I needed the fellowship But, the Lord Jesus was more than enough before I found this site. He is more than enough now. I trust you have seen my heart and know it has been for the truth and for nothing but the truth. Those of you who will not vote just because of the prophecy of one woman better make darn sure you are hearing from God. If not, then you are listening to someone else’s god. Which will lead you into following other gods. This site is not exempt from deception or delusions from anyone. Things are not always as they appear.
“I’m not trying to leave this on a bad note.”
I’m not either. I’m just leaving. I have no bitterness or malice in my heart for anyone. I leave in peace and I will continue to test all things.
Be blessed everyone and test ALL things!
Ok, end of post. I will let you be the judge if I spoke with ration and with decency.
Comment by redeemedhippie | October 16, 2008 <!– @ 8:32 pm –>
ETPW responded:
Redeemed Hippie:
“I am all for everyone testing and weighting everything said by everyone always and continually. That goes for you in testing my words. But with respect, you are not testing anything here, RH,let alone ALL things,”
RH>>>[Obviously, she has assumed because I do not agree with her, that I have not tested anything. I HAVE tested and I say something stinks about her prophecy. I get no leading of the Holy Spirit that tells me her words are the Holy Spirit speaking. What would that look like? Stay home and NOT vote? As that is what she is exactly endorsing whether she wants to come out and admit it or not.]
“you are sticking your fingers in your ears and acting no better than a Todd Bentley supporter yelling ‘touch not my anointed!’ “
RH>>>[By saying this to me she has done the very same thing she has accused others of doing within the church who dare question a "leader" or "authority figure." For the record, Miriam Franklin is not my leader nor has she ever been. Nor is she any kind of authority figure to me. Her admonishment of "touch not my annointed" has been turned around in this case. She has used it in assuming I cry out "touch not my annointed" reguarding SarahPalin. To even try and compare me with a Tod Bentley follower... PU---leease. Why? Because I dare question her? I have already stated more than once I did not find Sarah Palin as some great Ester or Deborah; as one to lead America out of its' woes. Yet, ETPW can't seem to get pass that. Let me say it one more time: I DO NOT HAVE SARAH PALIN ON A PEDESTAL.]
“You are more than not testing it, you are not even hearing it.”
RH>>>[How does she know I have not tested it? I have tested it and I say something stinks about it. The Holy Spirit in me says "WRONG!" Something is WRONG when one goes to enquire of the Lord about one and not the other. Whether or not she aimed for it to "stink" or not is only between her God. I do hear it loud and clear. It is in truth saying, "Hey everybody, I feel this way about Sarah Palin, don't vote republican!" Whether that has been her aim or not, I don't know. God knows.]
“I understand where you are coming from,”
RH>>>[No. She really does not know where I come from. If she did, she would have seen how seriously I was in asking her to go and enquire of the Lord of Obama as quickly as she did for Palin. But for some reason she refused to do that.]
“it is a peculiar American blindpot common to many {and I say this as kindly as possible] – but please calm down a bit and try and stand aside a little and look at this rationally.”
RH>>>What makes UK people better, pray tell? Uk people have no blind spots? For the record, I was very calm in writing my post. I had sat on it a few days, enquiring of the Lord how to answer. I will not go as far as to say I got it right in every area. Come on, who gets it right 100 percent of the time? She accuses me of not looking at something rationally. Why? Because I do not agree with her.]
”Why not actually ask God about this?”
RH>>>[What must I say or do to convince her I did? How does she know I did not? Once again, it is because I do not accept her prophecy. I did ask God about this and He has shown me there is something wrong.]
“You talk about testing the vision but you aren’t doing that at all.”
RH>>>[I did test it. I tested it on all fronts. Once again, I would ask, how does she expect this to be tested? By not voting or either vote for a socialist? Or are we just suppose to take her word for it? That would put her up there with God. God is very capable of speaking to me and I am very capable of hearing His voice. I have a Mediator. His name is Jesus.]
“You are instead responding with an emotional knee jerk reaction, and going by your own knowledge – assumptions, presumprions and prejudices – and a lot of fear – and adding up 2 and 2 to make 5 on many differant counts.”
RH>>>[No, I sat on my response for a couple of days until I sensed the Lord releasing me to post what I believe HE had me say. Truth hurts on all fronts. She says "you...are going by your own knowledge." I am to just automatically trust HER knowledge? I can't hear from God myself? I need her to tell me what God is thinking? She dares suggest that I have "prejudicess." In what reguard? Not voting for Obama because he is a black man? IF that is what she means, then she is listening to the lies of the liberal left over here. The only fear I have is being played a fool for the past few months in one way or another.]
“Assumptions about what the conclusion and message is, about my and others politics and motives et al.”
RH>>>[I believe the assumption is very easily seen when others, who I have seen to be intelligent, all of a sudden appear to pull back IN FEAR saying they will not vote because it is too hard to chose between "the lessor of two evils." Why? Because of the prophecy of one woman. A woman none of us know anything about other than she has written some very good posts. A woman I will not overestimate or underestimate.]
“And also assummptions about what Palin’s character is by denying this could possibly be true. What on earth is so hard to understand about a politician, particularly an American one, professing Christianity but being false and not all as they seem on the surface?!”
RH>>>[I never thought for one second Sarah Palin was some "annointed" one. As far as an American professing to be christian and not being so, it happens all the time. How many times has it happened in other nations? Why single America out? Why not focus on the so-called christian who may be a Muslim in this campaign? One who we KNOW is a socialist? This is just one area where her prophecy stinks.]
“It is hardly rocket science – so why stone me?!”
RH>>>I never once stoned her. She is playing the martyr whether she realizes it or not, leading others into a delusion that I am stoning her when God knows I have not. People, believe me, when I throw a stone, you will know it. I and others sincerely asked her to enquire of the Lord on all fronts. She has refused by saying she does not have to defend herself or either ignores the request. She protects herself from scrutiny just like those whom she has exposed the past few months by saying things like she does not need to defend herself. I was not asking her to defend herself, but just merely asking her to enquire of the Lord about Obama. She has found a way to use the phrase, “touch not my annointed,” against my own God-given discernment. She has accused me of behaving like a Tod Bentley supporter, having the attitude, “touch not my annointed,” towards Sarah Palin. Bull hockey! Let me repeat, people, Sarah Palin is NOT My annointed.]
“And what is so hard that you will not consider that not all candidates – even republican ones – are the best people for the job?”
RH>>>[Nothing is hard about that. I realize neither party nor one person is perfect. But I will NEVER vote for a socialist. WHAT is so hard about that for people to understand?]
”Joshua for all his godliness was taken in by appearances pp the Gibeonites because he did not enquire of the Lord. I encourage you to enquire of the Lord with an open heart and mind.”
RH>>>[It appears she is using the Word for her gain. Trying to use the Word to manipulate others into believing what she says. When someone says they have enquired of the Lord for themself and something just does not add up with someones' prophecy, what is one to think?]
“Re your assumptions, I have gone onto these before in other posts. I and others who disagree with you for spaking out re Palin are inferred by you not just to be Obama supporters, not just to be socialists, not just to be pigs because they are socialists [where on earth did you get this ignorant prejudice?], not just anti republican but also American haters who are jealous of your nation’s ‘freedom’?!”
RH>>>[She puts words in my mouth. I never said that all who disagree with me are pigs and socialists. There are those (liberals-democrats) who mean well with their thoughts, ideas, and opinions. Then there are those who defintely ARE pigs and socialists. So do not take me for a fool or underestimate my intelligence. For anyone to even try and lay that upon me is either done out of ignorance of truly not knowing where I come from, or either it is being done with an agenda behind it. Perhaps, one of trying to make me look like such an extremnist not worth listening to. It is plain to me it is either one or the other. If it is the later, then all is not as it appears on that site. I'm not accusing as I don't know the truth here and neither does anyone else, unless you personally know Miriam Franklin. The only ones that truly know the truth are Miriam Franklin and God.]
“not just anti republican but also American haters who are jealous of your nation’s ‘freedom’?! Whoa there! Not one single one of these things is necessarilly true of any of the people who look beyond the surface, and say ‘yeah we agree, we discern something is not right with Palin’.”
RH>>>[She accuses me of thinking that everyone who disagrees with me is a socialist or an American hater. Not true. Not true at all. Therefore she accuses falsely. I don't judge everyone who may have a bad feel about Sarah Palin. I trust people can hear from God on their own if they are sincere in wanting the truth. I have never said I thought or believed all was well with Sarah Palin. That was NEVER the point. The point was why not enquire of the Lord about Obama? There are those who truly are socialist but they hide behind masks. I don't know who they are, but God does. When I desire to know the truth, then I am the one who is called into question. Amazing! Amazing that I would be judged for just desiring the truth on all fronts!]
“When I criticise those dangerous wolves or unpleasing to God people in the Christian camp – you fully understand that I am not on the other opposite side of true Christianity – rather it is becauseI love the Christian faith, an am as far on that side I can be that I contend for it and speak out where necessary.”
RH>>>[I have believed that.]
“So why can you not apply the same plumbline when I – or others – talk about Sarah Palin? As I have already said, speaking out about Palin does not mean one is on the opposite side of the political spectrum at all.”
RH>>>[When one speaks out against one side or the other it makes them biased. Example: I admit I am a conservative. That makes me biased and I will not apologise for that. I've been an open book about that. I've held nothing back. Yet, when one does not have anything else to say about the other party, then yes, it makes for a biased opinion. So her prophecy is VERY biased. Why would that be? Why not use the plumbline concerning Obama?]
“And lastly, I will say it again, these were not my thoughts but the Lord’s so really I do not need to defend them as THEY ARE NOT MY OWN AND DO NOT REFLECT MY OWN POLITICS – [but even if they did, so what, it's not about ME].”
RH>>>[So she says. I do not say that sarcastically. I have nothing to gain by playing a passive/aggressive game of some kind. But so she says. She says they were not her thoughts. She says they do not reflect her politics. She says, but even if they did, it is not about her. So she says. And I say my thoughts are of God. What is one to believe? I am left to either accept her thoughts and throw my own thoughts out. Or either take my thoughts before the Lord (which I have done) and hold fast to what I believe is true. I believe I will hold fast to what I believe is the truth.]
comment by endtimespropheticword Oct. 17, 2008 10:42
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RedeemedHippies’ last comment as of today Oct. 18 2008.
It has not been my aim to attack Miriam Franklin in any way. When I found her blog a few months back, I found it very informative and refreshing. I found her to be what I would call a “truth speaker.” But truth has a way of being known in more than one way. I am not trying to discredit her. I have just found it very confusing as to why someone who hears from the Lord would not enquire on all fronts. I liken it like this: Suppose there is an army about to go forth. The commander or general takes his binoculars out and looks all around on every front to see where the enemy is. He looks to the east, to the west, to the north and to the south. Never would he just look to one direction and proclaim ”go here” or “don’t go there” without knowing what the surroundings were all about. Would he not want to know where the enemy was? Would he not want the best for his troops? Would he not be looking to all fronts?
I wish endtimespropheticword goodness, truth and blessings to all who enter her site.
May the Lord judge between me and ETPW.
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