I really do not want to focus on Michael Jackson because I believe there are more important things going on in the world than the death of what I believe was a wicked man in spite of his Peter Pan appearance. But in light of that, within the next few days the world will be mourning one if it’s own; I think some truth needs to be told on who and what Michael Jackson was, lest the worship of him and the glorification of his death, will lead many into deception. Take heed of the many deceptions coming upon the earth. Anti-christ spirit is all through the earth doing everything to lead masses of people away from the One True God; the spirit of Truth.
So if there are any Michael Jackson fans (especially the young) please take a look at what your idol really was. Know this: Michael Jackson did not die on a cross for you. There is only One who did. His name is Jesus Christ.
goodfightministries at Youtube gives us this.
Jun 28, 2009 @ 15:33:26
Oh my! If I hear that name again on the news I’m going to scream! I’m sorry that man got so messed up, and bound up, but it makes me sick that he was so worshiped. He made his choices and he’s most likely lost because of those choices. He’s gotten more press than some dead presidents. Give me a freaking break! I suppose it’s possible he repented before he died, but if not…God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that will he also reap. May we all remember that.
Lord God, Creator of heaven and earth, give us an insatiable hunger for You and the truth of Your Word.
Jun 28, 2009 @ 16:45:31
marybee, I know, I know, I know. The ONLY reason I am giving any of this attention is because of the worship and glorification of this man, right now. Hopefully, someone somewhere in the days to come will stop and think about who and what they are following when they follow idols of this world. Satan hates his children. Michael Jackson is a prime example of that. Satan gave him the “kingdoms of this world.” In return, Satan turned him into a freak for the world to behold as some kind of “god.” May the Lord of Light and Truth bring truth and light to the ones bound up in his lies and darkness.
Jun 28, 2009 @ 17:10:22
Amen, RH, and I wasn’t upset that you wrote about him. This last weekend, as you probably noticed, every stinking newscast was all about Michael, mostly glorifying him. Yuk!!! Couldn’t even get any decent news coverage because of his death. That was what I was angry about…not what you wrote. You wrote truth! Keep it up, girl.
I’ll be praying for you. You’re gonna be fine. The Lord is using you to speak truth!. I love you
Jun 28, 2009 @ 17:54:42
Marybee, I knew you were not upset with me, sister.
Jun 30, 2009 @ 05:15:59
It’s obvious that the makers of this video have a disdain for Michael Jackson. As a devout Christian, I stand in awe and disbelief that the video shown here goes so far to try to bring evil to the forefront. I agree that MJ’s life was no life of a saint, but for what sins will you be judged for, my friend? I also agree that idolotry of anything or anyone is a sin, but the video makers here had an opportunity to glorify Christ and missed it. Who is going to be drawn to Christ as a result of this video? Some of the context was not even true, exaggeration to make a point in this case borders on lies. How about lifting up the name of Jesus or sending the message of love and hope? This is what the Bible says will draw men to Christ. It is normal for someone to mourn such a great loss, although you may not see it as a great loss. All I ask is that the makers of this video search their hearts to see if there is any underlying hatred.
Jun 30, 2009 @ 15:58:16
My answer to you may be found here:
http://redeemedhippiesplace.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/the-love-of-god-is-in-the-truth/
Jul 05, 2009 @ 22:08:15
Okay, here’s the thing. I’m a Christ follower. I have never been a MJ fan. I grew up believing exactly what your video shows of him: that he was evil, a freak.
But over the course of the past few years, I have listened to the messages and the lyrics of his music, and I have to say that my mind has changed about him. My heart breaks to think that he may not have made his peace with Christ before he died. I hope, hope, hope he did. Because when I see his story, my heart weeps.
But your video as an attempt to stop the MJ worship? Pathetic. In your video, you show all the negative in a one-sided, biased, out of context view.
Attacking We Are the World was silly. The Bible says that unless you become like a child, you will not see the kingdom of Heaven. The quote from the song: “we’re saving our own lives” was not meant in the way you combated it with scripture. I think it’s quite funny, in fact, that Matthew Chapter 16 (the beginning) warns against the teachings of the Pharisees who sounded holy and made sure the outside was clean, but forgot about the inside.
The very fact that you call the man a “freak” shows that you are not speaking in love. Yes, Satan did turn him into a FREAK SHOW through the bias and hatred of the media and through people who are too shallow to listen to the whole story. But I don’t believe the man was a freak. I believe he was a lonely soul, isolated. Who are you to call someone a freak? The man was forced to live his life in seclusion. Could not have a private life. Was told by his family that he had an ugly face as a child. And yes, he tried to change his appearance. But even if he looked bad on the outside, it’s not what’s on the outside that counts.
By their fruits you will know them. I saw fruits of: love, patience, kindness, gentleness. Yes, there were some lacking. But which one of us has it all together? How about removing the plank from your own eye…
And to say the statement “all we need is love” is against the Bible’s teaching is twisted. The Bible says that God IS LOVE. The two most important commandments were to 1. Love God with all your heart, soul, mind and 2. Love your neighbor as yourself.
If his reaching out and trying to make children feel the love that he never felt isn’t evidence of that, then you’re blind.
The fact that he settled on the court case was adequately explained: even though he was saddened deeply by the allegations that this child put against him, he didn’t think it was right to drag it out into a prolonged spectacle not only for him, but for the child involved.
And later? God healed a child of cancer, and the vehicle he used was the love that Michael showed him.
Now I’m going to say this: yes, some of his earlier music was ungodly. BUT some of his earlier messages tried so hard to be RIGHT. “BAD”, when one watches the entire video? Is him trying to show that you can be “bad” (in a good way) through the art of music instead of doing drugs, hurting people, etc. It shows him turning away from physical violence.
And in his later work, there were more and more messages of love and changing the world through it. In “Earth Song” he asks “what about the Holy Land torn apart by greed?” .. “what about Abraham?”
It’s obvious that he was confused, tortured, and lost during certain times in his life. But I do NOT believe that he was EVIL. And only God can judge the condition of a man’s soul. You are NOT opening the eyes of any young people through the above video. What you are doing is giving lost people who don’t know Christ FUEL for their skepticism against Christianity/Religion. Do you honestly think that your video speaks the truth IN LOVE? I don’t even believe that your video speaks THE TRUTH! You twist the truth to make it fit what you want to say.
If I were wanting to make a video that would convince young people that Jesus is the way by showing MJ’s mistakes, I would have done it so differently. I would have showed clips of him saying how lonely he was, how sad he was, how absolutely isolated he felt in spite of all his wealth and popularity. I would have then said that there is hope for someone in that despairing situation if they turn to the one true God of Love through His Son Jesus Christ.
But to use half-truths and tabloid lies (please, if I hear the story of the dangled baby one more time, I’ll puke; he was trying to be nice and give a glimpse of his children to his fans) and attack songs that really didn’t need to be attacked to try to show people the Light? To call someone a freak? No, my friend. You don’t have it all together the way you think you do.
I believe your intentions are good, but your methods are quite sad. I have no doubt that you know Jesus, but I don’t think Jesus would have called him a freak. He was just as valuable to Christ as you are, despite his mistakes.
That’s the problem with Religion today: it pushes people away with all the judgmental, fire and brimstone. Yes, people should know the truth. But when you speak the truth, it should be the WHOLE truth. Not just pieces of it. And it shouldn’t be done in such a way that it’s judging someone else.
Jul 06, 2009 @ 13:53:02
There are actually better videos about the dark side of MJ. So “where is the love of God” should take a look around. Occult symbology is in every video that Micheal ever did.
I wish people would realize that occultist communicate and identify with each other right under our noses. It is common for occultist to hide everything in clear view.
And most of all,,,, I wish people could see that the occult influences every part of modern life.
The Satanic ideology of “WHAT EVER THY WILL,,, DO” is the very same ideology of the World. And MJ was a distributor of that deadly spiritual poison.
Jul 06, 2009 @ 16:58:33
Emma, I was a Michael Jackson fan years ago. I can not and will not deny true passion and talent when I see it. But I can’t sugar-coat what he was or was not for the sake of a fake peace.
I hope also that he found the truth and met Jesus in the last few weeks or so of his life.
I am a little confused why a “Christ follower” would find pathetic the “video as an attempt to stop the MJ worship,” when we are told to worship God. But perhaps, I misunderstood you.
You say your mind has changed about him yet you hope he made his peace with Christ. You must be basing this on soulish emotion rather than the truth. If a man is not redeemed, then he is wicked. Period. It does not matter how many “good” things he may have done in this lifetime. It is not works that grant our way into heaven. You should know that as a Christ follower.
You say the video shows only one side. IF there had been a side that showed that he accepted the Lord, I would have joyfully posted it. To show a life of good works would have meant very little. That alone is not enough to lead people to the truth.
You over look some things in the song “We are the World.” You said it was “silly” that I would “attack” it. When someone blatantly (either ignorantly or purposely) changes scripture for the world to sing along, there is something wrong. Jesus NEVER turned stone into bread like what is sung in the song. We are told not to be of the world. So why oh why would a Christ follower even think the song is ok? Saving our own lives? Jesus said, “Whosoever saves his life, shall lose it.”
I suppose your reference to the Pharisees is an attack on me. Why? Because I refuse to sugar-coat Michael Jackson’s life? I find it peculiar that you would esteem the work of man over the truth of God.
Years ago, I loved the Beatles. I still do and will not apologize for that. I know talent when I see it. When John Lennon and George Harrison died, it made me very sad. But, there is no way I would sugar-coat their lives to mean anything more than what it was. There was no evidence of either of them following Jesus. It made no difference all their good works.
You said, “The very fact that you call the man a “freak” shows that you are not speaking in love.”
I will say it again, he was a freak. I reiterate; God did NOT do this to him. What part of this do you not understand? You even go on to say the very same thing but somehow it is ok for YOU to say it, but in a different way.
“Yes, Satan did turn him into a FREAK SHOW through the bias and hatred of the media and through people who are too shallow to listen to the whole story.”
Nope, Sorry. When people make the choice to disfigure their bodies however they want, you can not put the blame on media. It would be the same as if I went and got tattoos all over my body, dyed my hair green and pink, wear outlandish clothing and then COMPLAIN because others saw me as a freak. I know the excuses, “But I gotta be me” and “this is who I am, like it or leave it.” (I used to have it in my younger years, but I grew up.) To this attitude I would say, “Fine, be who you think yourself to be, but don’t expect everyone to love it or even accept it. No one is obligated to accept a thing. And if you happen to be called a freak, don‘t complain!”
Satan uses his children, Emma. Unlike God, Satan turns his children into spectacles to behold. It was Satan who turned MJ into a freak. Not me, not God. Satan did that. Satan takes our vulnerabilities and uses them against us. He did that with Michael Jackson from the time he was a small boy. I find that extremely sad.
I believe he was a lonely soul too. I believe many used him. Still, that is beside the point. The point is to any who would follow MJ as some kind of leading force to truth; Satan hates you and he will spit you out like garbage when he is done using you to any and all extreme he can.
“But even if he looked bad on the outside, it’s not what’s on the outside that counts.” Exactly. And the fact that he appeared so tormented on the outside speaks volumes with what was going on within him. I know torment, my friend. I know it all very well. I can only hope that the perfect love of Jesus came to MJ and was able cast it out of him.
“He was just as valuable to Christ as you are, despite his mistakes.” Of course he was! I never intended to make it sound any less. If that was the message I put out, then I did my job as a writer very poorly. And I apologize to my readers right here and now.
Compassion is limited if it can only go as far as your emotions let it. True compassion does not start and stop at the emotional realm. True compassion will always lead to truth. It will forge ahead and always lead one out of darkness and into the light.
You said, “I do NOT believe that he was EVIL. And only God can judge the condition of a man’s soul.” True, only God can judge the condition of a man’s heart. So why did you just judge MJ as NOT being evil when the Word of God teaches us there are children of light and children of day, right and wrong, good and bad? If ungodly man–no matter who he is and no matter what “good” he has done upon the earth–has not been born-again, he is evil in the eyes of the Lord. If not, please show me in scripture. I would love to be able to live my life in a somewhat gray area IF the Word allowed me to. But so far I have not seen it.
“By their fruit you shall know them” is talking about beliefs. It is misleading for Christians or others to speak this scripture as some kind of evidence of someone’s relationship with God. There are atheists who have this “fruit.” Hitler, Jim Jones and others had this “fruit” at one time or another. So what? Buddhists have it. Hindu’s have it. So what? The drug addict or prostitute may have it. So what? If all are unredeemed, it means nothing. Satan comes as an angel of light.
You accuse me falsely of judging MJ falsely by telling me to “get rid of the plank in your own eye.” I used to be in the Occult before I came to the truth. I put a video out there that exposed this man’s beliefs at one time or another in hopes that someone somewhere would not follow him. What part of his beliefs that were exposed do you find acceptable? The part where he communed with Liberace? The part where he had his own room of mirrors just like Aleister Crowly? As much as I still like the Beatles, I would NEVER defend their new-age beliefs. It appears you are either defending the Occult or just do not want to search a matter out to see whether it be true or not.
“And to say the statement “all we need is love” is against the Bible’s teaching is twisted.”
Really? That is twisted? The Beatles were the first to come out with that one decades ago. It was wrong then and it is wrong now. What about the truth? Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth and the light. No man can come to the Father except through Me.” I don’t see where He said, all you need is love and bam, you get to go to heaven. No. Your belief is an advocate of new-age belief. It is not scriptural.
“You are NOT opening the eyes of any young people through the above video.”
How do you know I am not opening the eyes of young people through the video? How do you know? Just because there is something in the video that touched a nerve in you, that perhaps touched an image of a mere man you want to believe in for whatever reasons over the Word of God, who are you to say? It is the Holy spirit who opens eyes, not me.
“What you are doing is giving lost people who don’t know Christ FUEL for their skepticism against Christianity/Religion.”
No. It is not my place to sugar-coat the truth in hopes to win a few. The Word of God says count the cost. Instead, what YOU are doing is being pathetically cowardly in not having a desire to warn the sheep against occult teachings, against the worship of man.
“Do you honestly think that your video speaks the truth IN LOVE? I don’t even believe that your video speaks THE TRUTH! You twist the truth to make it fit what you want to say.”
Ah here, you sound like you just can not deal with any truth that would put MJ in a bad light at all. If you do not believe the video then search it out. See if the things he said in past interviews were correct or not. But don’t get mad at the movie maker or me because they we did not do it the way you liked. Make your own video for pete sakes!
I don’t fault him for wanting to help sick children. That is a noble thing to do in any level. But once again, all I say is that all the “good” works of man will NOT get them to heaven. That is all I am saying. Why is that so hard for you to accept?
You talk about how his music changed as if that was evidence of one’s salvation. I’ve done said I thought MJ was very talented and I believe the greatest musical icon in this generation. He worked hard to get where he was at in life. It was not handed to him. These things in and of themselves on a human level are very note-worthy and not to be taken lightly. But, they in and of themselves are not evidence of one who repented and wanted to serve the living God.
“…in his later work, there were more and more messages of love and changing the world through it. In “Earth Song” he asks “what about the Holy Land torn apart by greed?” .. “what about Abraham?”
Not being familiar with Earth Song, I had to go listen to it. What about it? It is pain crying out from the depths of his heart. I found it to be very soulish. What is wrong with that? Nothing if you like having music manipulate you, as musically it IS a very powerful song. But what about it? I found it beautifully hypnotic and evil. Evil in the way that would draw a person into pain and suffering. Changing the world? Love is all we need? Your beliefs are more New-age than Christian. IF this is what Michael Jackson was trying to get across to his listeners, then he and you both are sorely mistaken. Man will NEVER create a better world. This is more anti-christ than a God thing. Do you get it? As a Christ follower you should know that.
“If I were wanting to make a video that would convince young people that Jesus is the way by showing MJ’s mistakes, I would have done it so differently. I would have showed clips of him saying how lonely he was, how sad he was, how absolutely isolated he felt in spite of all his wealth and popularity. I would have then said that there is hope for someone in that despairing situation if they turn to the one true God of Love through His Son Jesus Christ.”
Then I suggest make your own video. But you know what? The Gospel you preach is not really the whole gospel. Your gospel is one where Jesus is a means to an end. What about repentance? Would you have used that word with MJ? Would you have told him you have to be born-again? Would you have told him you have to pick up the Cross and be willing to be hated for My Names’ sake? Would you? Or just give him the feel good sugary parts? What if God wanted to take away all you were and everything you have, would you still want to serve Him? What about it?
You ended with: “That’s the problem with Religion today: it pushes people away with all the judgmental, fire and brimstone. Yes, people should know the truth. But when you speak the truth, it should be the WHOLE truth. Not just pieces of it. And it shouldn’t be done in such a way that it’s judging someone else.”
Truth is a two edged sword. It cuts going in and it cuts going out. No one likes to think of their loved one as sinners. No one likes to think of potential hell. If everyone thought like you there would be no hell, just heaven and a God of love with no wrath. I hate to sound unkind, but I know of no other way to say it; Truth is you are either cowardly in wanting to present the other side of the truth or either not knowledgeable in it. Which is it?
Jul 08, 2009 @ 04:45:21
Hello my name is joanie. I really like your blog and will be reading more of it in the future. Thanks!!
Jul 08, 2009 @ 04:57:36
Good to meet you Joanie. Thank you and God bless you!
Jul 08, 2009 @ 10:41:36
Ok, someone dies, there is mourning….end of story. There are young kids that lost their father…there is mourning, end of story. Brothers and sisters lost one …there is mourning, end of story. This is keeping the focus going. Put your head down, think what you want and put the stones away and leave God to HIS work. Yesterday, there was a “large funeral”. Not a worship service. Moving forward, times like these tend to help the ones left behind searching for God’s answer for their lives, but when there is attack , they will want to defend. Folks need to shut up about this mere man and walk in the spirit like the Word says.
Jul 08, 2009 @ 10:44:22
One more thing- quote:”I really do not want to focus on Michael Jackson because I believe there are more important things going on in the world than the death of what I believe was a wicked man in spite of his Peter Pan appearance.”
What a contradictory statement, you focused alright. Could have left it right there…
Jul 08, 2009 @ 10:58:34
Jul 08, 2009 @ 12:22:43
Suzy, i know there was a funeral. I even watched it and sat and wept through it. I saw the family in mourning and my heart broke for them. MJ was more than just an an entertainer. He was either somebody’s son, brother, friend, uncle, OR father. When his little girl spoke at the end I really lost it. But my emotions or your emotions still does not take away from the fact–that inspite of what the man appeared to be (whether that be good or evil in anyone’s sight) he was still no better than the next, and he was in need of a Savior. You accuse me of “attack.” YOU do the attacking when you question me for putting eternity out here to help people think about it during this time. Shame on you that you care so little about the souls of others.
It is obvious you have not read up on the other posts about him.
Read Galations 4:16: Have I become your enemy because I tell you the truth?
Jul 08, 2009 @ 12:27:39
Suzi, I guess you thought the man was a saint? I would not want you to be “comforting” my family if I died lost. Not to say MJ did. NO ONE seems to know.
IF he died unredeemed he was a wicked man. Why is that so hard for you to get?
Your lack of conviction for souls during this time amazes me.
Jul 08, 2009 @ 12:38:43
suzi, the video you left…I’ll let the readers decide what to think on that one. As for me, the words, “I’ll be bumping, I’ll be jumping, I’ll make the Lord feel something” moves me none at all. Not to say manipulating God there by “making Him.”
I find it no different than Tod Bently and his head banging “worship” music during his “revival.” It appeals to the flesh but does absolutely nothing for the spirit. If you can listen to it and are reminded to pick up your cross, then good.
Jul 08, 2009 @ 12:57:02
10 My son, if sinners entice you,
do not give in to them.
11 If they say, “Come along with us;
let’s lie in wait for someone’s blood,
let’s waylay some harmless soul;
12 let’s swallow them alive, like the grave, [b]
and whole, like those who go down to the pit;
13 we will get all sorts of valuable things
and fill our houses with plunder;
14 throw in your lot with us,
and we will share a common purse”-
15 my son, do not go along with them,
do not set foot on their paths;
16 for their feet rush into sin,
they are swift to shed blood.
17 How useless to spread a net
in full view of all the birds!
18 These men lie in wait for their own blood;
they waylay only themselves!
19 Such is the end of all who go after ill-gotten gain;
it takes away the lives of those who get it.
Mr Redeemed Hippie,
You of all people MUST know how it feels to be redeemed, I actually pray for your soul. You just have to be all up in MY JOURNEY which by the way is personal and intimate and between me and MY Father. Changing the souls of others would be to preach and shout the wonderful Glory of our God…not pointing out others choices and “assuming ” the redemption or lack thereof of others….I never said YOU were attacking,I used that word for what some are doing in the media. Also, I think it is “evil” of you to put words in my mouth,”Suzi, I guess you thought the man was a saint?” Where did that come from? I stated he was a “mere man”….sometimes the truth is known already and someone else’s take on it becomes a stone throwing. Just start praising God man, your focus is off and we can speak about many peoples souls and where we think they are…but it is our place to point out “the good” of turning away from wicked ways. There is no shame in that !!! Bless you
Jul 08, 2009 @ 13:03:49
Ya know what, it is suffice to say that ALL should just post here and grab YOUR opinion on things…
Pick it apart man…forget where you came from- we are all entitled to our own learning process and the video reminds of Stomping the devil at his work…we are in agreement in many things …you are JUST SO DISCERNING for your own good and that my friend hurts people and does no good…
Jul 08, 2009 @ 13:17:50
Suzi I am so, “JUST SO DISCERNING” for my own good? What is that? Does that mean that just in case… just in case I may see something a little diffrently I should just be quiet about it?
You can “Stomp” the devil all you want through music and dnace…I know it is “fun.” Been there and done that. It does not profit the soul. Maybe for awhile until the next stomp fest. That’s just my opinion.
The readers here do not have to agree with me on a thing. I do not think I am right about everything either. These are my opinions, that is all. Search your beliefs in all things. I ask the readers in these end times to test ALL things. That includes the way they have been taught in the church for years. For there is a whore in the nation that people are calling the Bride of Christ.
Test even me, if need be. But do not let judgement be a double standard where another gets to judge and I am to sit back with my brain on the back burner taking in everything as truth. I won’t do it. I also just ask the readers of this blog to just be respectful. And you have been. Thank you, sister.
Jul 08, 2009 @ 13:30:48
Suzi, for the record, my focus is NOT off. Yours is if you think “changing souls” is up to us and the way to do it is by shouting glory. John the Baptist came preaching repentence. Jesus preached repentence. So little of that is done today.
You are right; you did say “mere man.” Yet, you find it difficult that I just question where he is right now.
Point out the good all you want, sister. That alone does NOT get people into heaven. THAT “gospel” is flesh, soulis, non-convicting…less, it hurt someone’s feeling for them to believe they are lost and going to hell.
IF IF IF (and I hope not) MJ were in hell right now, WHO do you think he would want his loved ones listening to this very minute? Someone like you who is not even up to presenting the truth that man is a sinner in need of a Savior…just feel good gospel OR one who will warn them of the way of hell?
Jul 09, 2009 @ 01:09:00
“The WORD did not become a philosophy, a theory, or a concept to be discussed, debated, or pondered. But the WORD became a person to be followed, enjoyed, and loved!”
I tell ya what – lets just see how much FRUIT comes from you or anyone telling their opinions about ANYONE’S soul. I will tell you also that I am not proud of the things I have done in my past but I knew those things were wrong and I was not right, just by being loved by a person full of Christ. For you to tell me about a flesh type gospel is simply self-righteous at best, how do you not know that I go to the same church you do….dont even answer man- I am done with this all …too much energy spent already.
Jul 09, 2009 @ 07:32:58
Oh I see you chose to not post my last comment…wow you are dangerous with your words man-remember blessing and cursing does come from the tongue. It is your opinion and nothing else matters -how bout we see how may get saved with you beating them with the Bible..oh wait -that is what some people need isnt it. Sorry….
You are a hippicrite. Tell me about the stone that hit you and turned you around…I believe that Jesus died for all my sins, I believe that none is perfect but the Lord Jesus Christ and I am a sinner, I believe in the Holy Spirit, I believe in Baptism , I believe in restoration and redemption , I believe that sometimes we ALL just need to shut up!
Jul 09, 2009 @ 07:46:11
why are you attacking each other (the world would know you because of the love you have for each other), if you think you are the stronger in faith do things in such a way that help the one weaker in faith like one thinks all food is acceptable but if it makes another stumble don’t eat it because we are to walk in love i only say this because someone does not know how there words can be taken one chooses to present justice well another chooses to present compassion is one evil and is one good would i know if i was a sinner if it were not for his law and would i be saved if it were not for his compassion i know they are both good if they are given out of true love.
so don’t use truth to hurt people and put them down the truth is only meant to convict but to convict the already convicted in heart is a put down someone who is already convicted needs compassion
and do not use compassion to cover up sin someone like that needs convicting but what ever you do, do it out of love.
Jul 09, 2009 @ 13:32:31
Suzi, sorry you did not get your commented posted when you want it. The reality is, i don’t sit behind my computer all day long waiting for comments to come in. I do try and have a life outside this blog, like cooking, cleaning, laundry…I am a woman, not a man. I would have told you that sooner, but I kept getting distracted.
It is 9 oclock a.m. my time. I got up and saw your comments and the others.
I do not always respond right away because I DO want to try and respond out of love. Not just shoot my mouth off. Besides, you said, “don’t even answer man- I am done with this all …too much energy spent already.”
I’m not a mind reader. If you wanted me to respond to you sooner, then ask. But don’t tell me one thing and then mean another.
So in saying that, I will start off by saying the spirit in me bears witness youare my sister. Period.
You have accused my of attacking MJ. That was NEVER my aim. If you saw it as such, then either I failed as a writer in trying to get my message across or either there is something in you that is misreading me. I don’t know which it is.
You quoted something to me out of a book or something. The words of men do not impress me. It is the Word of God that I adhere to. I need nothing else. That sentence you cling to is misleading and a lie.
Show me in the word of God where it says what you believe to be the truth in that sentence. While you are looking, here are some scriptures about the WORD of God in the right context.
, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” Luke 11:28
And many more believed because of His own word. John 4:41
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
John 5:24
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. John 6:63
But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. John 6:68
As He spoke these words, many believed in Him. John 8:30
Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.
John 8:43
He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.” John 8:47
Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death.” John 8:51
He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. John 12:48
Ephesians 5:25-27
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, 27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.
Revelation 22:18-20
Jesus taught on hell, suzi. So if Jesus warned of hell, why shouldn’t we be doing the same thing. If we truly love others, we will be telling them.
“Let’s see how many we get saved by beating them with the Bible.” That’s a powerful accusation you got there. We are told to preach the WORD in season and out of season. For some reason you have a problem with it? It is not our intentions that get people to accept Jesus. It is not our emotions, our love, anything to do with us. Souls are eternal and it takes eternal words and the spirit from God to convict men of all ungodliness.
IF the gospel you believe in does not believe in presenting the whole truth, then it is flesh. If you want to call me “self-righteous” for that, then so be it. But I speak the truth.
I KNOW I don’t go to the same church you go to.
Because if that is what you learn in your church…just ignore important questions when you don’t like the subject…pretend hell does not exist…pretend everybody dies and goes to heaven……ain’t no way I would be in that church.
You said, “I believe sometimes we all just need to shut up.” When? When it’s convenient not to have to face the truth?
I asked you a simple question, Suzi, it is not a trick question and I repeat it:
IF IF IF (and I hope not) MJ were in hell right now, WHO do you think he would want his loved ones listening to this very minute? Someone like you who is not even up to presenting the truth that man is a sinner in need of a Savior…just feel good gospel OR one who will warn them of the way of hell?
If you can’t answer a simple question, don’t bother commenting again. I won’t waste another moment on this discussion. Be blessed Suzi. The Lord watch over you and keep you.
Jul 09, 2009 @ 13:40:37
111, thanks for commenting. Next time please use periods. That was hard to read.
Jul 10, 2009 @ 02:02:28
redeemedhippie love is long suffering yet you will not waste another moment, love is not touchy but to me you seem touchy, love is not easily angered but to me you seem like you’ve gotten angry easily, now i know i cant see your your heart i can only see your fruits and maybe my sight is blurred but can you tell me how your comments have satisfied love.
Jul 10, 2009 @ 02:27:18
111, do you want to tell me what you are talking about? Obviously you have not read the other posts before mine? You are right. You can not see in my heart. Did you see me pray last night for my readers? All of them–even Suzi. Of course not. You were not here. But Jesus knows and that is all that matters. Unless you can hear and discern, your site is blurred too if you believe I am “touchy” for wanting a simple answer from anyone. I will not waste time with anyone who wants to call names and evades the issues. Jesus Himself did not go where the people did not want Him. He had other things to do. I guess He would be called “touchy” because He refused to get involved with those who did not want the truth. Angry? No. That would be a waste of time. As far as my comments satisfying love? It is not my calling to make people feel good about false beliefs. It is my calling to get others to seek out the truth so they will not be bound up in deception.
And please, if you post again, do use periods. That is unless for some physical reason you just are not able. Thank you.
Jul 10, 2009 @ 07:21:09
sorry i did not mean to offend you and i am sorry am not a English expert i have no idea what your talking about when you say period.
i did not ask you to make people feel good, but to do things out of love, i know that God loves me with his staff but he also loves me with his rod, love does not only make me feel good, it corrects me and convicts me, and that comforts me.
if i were wrong about you, why attack me, let God vindicate you, love calls you to trust but you cannot trust that the holy spirit lives in me and would vindicate you in due time, or do i actually convict you.
My friend we are all called to love and anything we do not do out of love is meaningless you do not have to explain yourself to me i am not your judge our father in heaven is. (Jesus is lord amen)
i only tell you what i see and my father in heaven has told me to test all things am i wrong for listening to my father in heaven and i know i am weak and in mercy i gave you a chance to explain to me, i am regretting it now.
i showed myself open to you, then you slap me on the cheek were plain words would have been enough, love is kind but your quick to try and offend lucky God gave me the grace to bare it, i love you and my only intention was to help you, am sorry you did not see it that way, may God in heaven forgive me and may God bless you forever and ever amen.
Jul 10, 2009 @ 13:16:52
111 said it best:
“redeemedhippie love is long suffering yet you will not waste another moment, love is not touchy but to me you seem touchy, love is not easily angered but to me you seem like you’ve gotten angry easily, now i know i cant see your your heart i can only see your fruits and maybe my sight is blurred but can you tell me how your comments have satisfied love.”
“if you think you are the stronger in faith do things in such a way that help the one weaker in faith like one thinks all food is acceptable but if it makes another stumble don’t eat it because we are to walk in love i only say this because someone does not know how there words can be taken one chooses to present justice well another chooses to present compassion is one evil and is one good would i know if i was a sinner if it were not for his law and would i be saved if it were not for his compassion i know they are both good if they are given out of true love.”
Talk about convicted: That is me , right now – First, I want to say redeemedhippie, I am sorry for my comments- it was NOT to defend Michael Jackson or any of his ways. It too, was just my opinion and does not matter. Second, naturally (fleshy) is the quick responses to “defend” myself by calling you a hippiecrite, and self-righteous. The Holy Spirit convicted me of 2 things: some need the harshness of the law, and some are won by His Love,(me). Forgive me please and because of this all- I have learned to really guard my heart and let my opinions be known to my Jesus from now on. Your blog may be for some, and not for others -I accept this concept
111> Thank you!
Jul 10, 2009 @ 15:04:05
No111, You did not convict me. If you did, I would have been honest enough to let you know. I would not be hiding behind it using accusations against others. I was doing my best to be patient with you, Suzy. I spoke kindly. God knows I did. The worst thing about the internet is none of us HEAR the tone in another. If the two of you could have heard my tone, you both would have known in which manner I speak.
I’ve gone back a number of times to see how my words may have given the wrong message on what I was trying to get across. I cannot see where I was rude or unkind. If presenting the truth–as hard as it is for some to hear–is unkind, then I am guilty of that. I will not apologize for that.
“if i were wrong about you, why attack me?” Please show me where I attacked you. You accused me of slapping you in the face. Why? Because I asked you to use a period? I did not know you were not English. I am not an editor; meaning I can’t correct spelling, paragraphs and sentence structure in every comment I get. I’m doing good to get my own right.
You accuse me of being “touchy.” No my friend, you are the one who is being touchy when you accuse me attacking and slapping you. So once again, for all the readers sake here, I ask you to show me where I attacked you or slapped you.
When I get comments that do not have a period…….at the end of a sentence, it is hard to read. Understand? You said you don’t know what I’m talking about, but you DID end up using them in your last comment. So you do understand.
You said, “i did not ask you to make people feel good, but to do things out of love,” How do you know I was not doing things out of love? Because I did not use words pleasant to the ear? Because my words did not tickle the ear?
Speaking truth to people, challenging them to test things, for the sake of their soul IS LOVE. The American concept of a sappy emotionalism sugar-coated Gospel has infiltrated every church in the world. This concept says, “Don’t say anything at all. If you do, water it down just a little bit because people will not be able to handle the full truth. Put some sugar on it so it will taste sweet going down. Don‘t worry about the truth. Love is all you need.” This concept lulls people asleep, damning their soul. It makes them emotional but does not profit the soul. 111, you have shown me it has even reached your part of the world. America will be judged harshly for it’s many abominations. But changing the Word of God is the greatest abomination.
I tremble for what will take place in my nation. I am trying to wake as many people I can. Do I get it right all the time? No, I do not. I’m not perfect. I can not read people’s hearts. But I can know what others believe by the words they speak. It is love that compels me to warn, to want to see others set free, to want to see others come to the full truth. If what I say does not line up with the Word of God, then please, tell me. I am not infallible. I hunger for the truth. I love truth. It has been the ONLY thing that sets me free. If my words are truth and it is hard for either of you to take, please go and stand before God with that truth and ask Him what He would have you to do with it. If my words are lies, then show me and ask God to show me, please. You would be doing me a favor. But until then, please do not accuse me falsely just because something may be in you that is afraid of the truth.
Jul 10, 2009 @ 23:14:24
Just would like to point out that you glazed over my comment of asking for forgiveness and spent all paragraphs “defending” yourself to 111.
I am not asleep , YOU did NOT hear me say I am sorry?
Jul 11, 2009 @ 09:17:33
Redeemedhippiesplace: I just happened to long on to your blog. There are alot of things I agree with as it pertains to preaching the undefiled truth; however, the way you communicate with some of the people on your blog seems to be a bit rash.
Oh, and by the way, I liked Michael Jackson, just as you liked the Beatles, but just because I liked Michael’s music, doesn’t make me want to worship him, nor make him a god. Michael’s story is sad, just as Elvis’, just as Marilyn Monroe’s, just as Anna Nicole Smith’s. Let God be the judge of these people’s soul. We know through the media as to how they lived their lives, but we don’t know what happened during their final moments. Of course, we would hope they had some type of encounter with the giver of Life (Jesus), but if they didn’t, only God has a heaven or a hell to place them in. My prayer is that God will use this experience to not only wake up the Jackson family, but all of us, regardless of our status in life. Therefore, each of us should examine our own relationship with God instead of casting stones at each other. Let’s move on and leave Michael alone; let the media run its course, and hopefully, they too will leave him alone. Michael was a man who just happened to be an iconic figure, but not a god. It’s apparent that he too was searching (to fill the void in his life) for truth, I hope he found it through Christ Jesus.
Jul 11, 2009 @ 12:50:54
KC woman, if you read my articles on MJ you wouild know I hope the same thing–hoping he found the truth at some point in his life.
I never called MJ a god. There are those who almost think of him on that level, though. Some people DID worship him, sort of, when they fail to even look at the fact that he possibly could be in hell. I want him to be in heaven, oh how I want that. But only God knows.
When people put works above repentence and truth upon an individual, then it has become a sense of worship AND sin. An idol or “god” of any kind is accountable to no one.
It amazes me how people come here and in a passive-agressive sort of way, throw their own stones by accusing me of being “touchy,” of being a “hypocrite” accusing me of trying to defend myself, accusing me of not doing things out of love–when I am trying to present truth–and now the latest–of being “rash” and then say, “Let’s move on.”
If my trying to point others to truth is throwing stones, then I am guilty. But who are you to judge my heart? Judge my teachings by all mean. Test all things, yes! And if you find my words a little bit rash or whatever, ask yourselves why? Could it be there may be truth in them? If not, then go your way or better yet, CORRECT my beliefs with the Word of God. But just because I don’t put a spoonful of sugar in it to get you to taste it, do not accuse me of being rash or not having love.
This blog is NOT about me. I do my very best to make it the things of God. I desire myself and the readers to come to the truth. Because if we can not discern correctly together NOW what the true Gospel is…and defend it… how oh how, will we be able to in the days to come with the many deceptions coming upon the earth?
The sappy emotionalism that has invaded the church has got to go.
Did you get to say all that you wanted on MJ? If so you have the liberty to “move on” or not as you say. Now that was “a bit rash.”
Jul 11, 2009 @ 12:51:58
Suzy, ok.
Jul 11, 2009 @ 20:41:46
Redeemedhippiesplace: I told you that I agree with the fact that we as Christians need to share the undefiled truth of God intended for it to be. But there is a way to present the word of God without making others feel as they’re beneath you and beating them down with scripture. All I said was that in reading your blog, you seem to come across a bit rash to those commenting on your site. I’m on the outside looking in…as is the case with anyone reading your blog.
Yes, there are some that did worship Michael Jackson as a god, but again, I think we’ve already discussed that as a whole and have come to the conclusion that many people were wrong and still are wrong for doing
so.
When I said, “let’s move on,” it was not meant to come across as being negative, but it seems that you took it as an offense. No, I’m not trying to throw stones at you, but it seems that you are throwing stones not only at Michael, but at your readers when they state their perception of what your putting out there. Why debate, or discuss Michael’s faith? It makes no difference now, he’s had his “Final curtain call”.
None of us should think that were so highminded, lest we fall. You say, “Judge my teachings”. I thought teachings from scripture was the inspired word of God?
Anyway, like I said, I don’t disagree that we as a church need to be more vigilant as the day of Jesus’ imminent return comes upon us. And no, we should not allow ourselves to get caught up in Michael either, it can be and has somewhat become a distraction not only to the world, but the church as well. And I think that we (Body of Christ) pretty much know that no one will see the kingdom of God unless they are born again. Born of the water and spirit.
Now again, let’s stop trying to disect Michael’s life, and let’s disect our own. Can’t you share the truth of God without using Michael as your foundation to do so?
Jul 11, 2009 @ 20:42:31
Redeemed Hippie start this post saying:
“I think some truth needs to be told on who and what Michael Jackson was, lest the worship of him and the glorification of his death, will lead many into deception.”
And then later, continued her explanation:
“The ONLY reason I am giving any of this attention is because of the worship and glorification of this man, right now. Hopefully, someone somewhere in the days to come will stop and think about who and what they are following when they follow idols of this world. Satan hates his children. Michael Jackson is a prime example of that.”
Then, someone called where’s the love of God? Infuriated said:
“I agree that MJ’s life was no life of a saint, but for what sins will you be judged for, my friend? I also agree that idolotry of anything or anyone is a sin, but the video makers here had an opportunity to glorify Christ and missed it. Who is going to be drawn to Christ as a result of this video?”
Then, another person attacked Ms. RH saying:
“I grew up believing exactly what your video shows of him: that he was evil, a freak.But over the course of the past few years, I have listened to the messages and the lyrics of his music, and I have to say that my mind has changed about him.”
What I can see here is the true members of the church of Laodicea, (strongly represented, I may say) against sister Hippie here. About these, the apostle John worte in Rev 3:14-16: “I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm-neither hot nor cold-I am about to spit you out of my mouth.”
I bet these so-called ‘Christians’, who rather play the role of the devil’s advocate than actually see what the Redeemed Hippie said, would NEVER accept those words from John because “their god” is too much luuuv to say such tough things about the poor souls. Oh! What a surprising day the Day of The Lord will be tho those so-called Christians, who think that by justifying the wrong deeds of the wicked perhaps, they can somehow justify theirs.
Or maybe, after so many years of wishy-washy services in their churches, where only LUV is preached and the Wrath of God is TABOO even to be mentioned, their discernment got calloused. Rev 3:14-22
Why halt you between two opinions? If God be God, follow him; if Baal (be God), follow him. Here is no room for neutrality. An open enemy shall have a fairer quarter than a perfidious neuter; and there is more hope of a heathen than of such. Christ expects that men should declare themselves in earnest either for him or against him. Nowadays the “Politically-Correct Christian” must not preach about hell and damnation because “it can offend someone.” Showing the path that led MJ to his death is a lack of love to them! It’s like after hearing that a blind man died falling on a cliff because he decided to followed the wrong way, you are considered evil if you mention THAT WAY to other blind men who eventually may fall there too!
Here I’d like to answer the first individual who asked where the love of God was. IT’S IN PREACHING THE TRUTH IN SEASON AND OUT OF SEASON! Trust me, you ought to be bold and offend a lot of people when you say the truth about the Gospel. Jesus Himself said in Matt 10:34-36:
Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn “‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’
I’ll tell ya a secret, Luv people – LOVE IS TOUGH! Sometimes God punishes people whom He loves for their own sake, not to mention those who really follow the path of evil. Check out what the Lord said about His beloved people of Israel in Jer 15:1-4:
Then the LORD said to me: “Even if Moses and Samuel were to stand before me, my heart would not go out to this people. Send them away from my presence! Let them go! And if they ask you, ‘Where shall we go?’ tell them, ‘This is what the LORD says:
“‘Those destined for death, to death;
those for the sword, to the sword;
those for starvation, to starvation;
those for captivity, to captivity.’
“I will send four kinds of destroyers against them,” declares the LORD, “the sword to kill and the dogs to drag away and the birds of the air and the beasts of the earth to devour and destroy. I will make them abhorrent to all the kingdoms of the earth because of what Manasseh son of Hezekiah king of Judah did in Jerusalem.
Oh! But that’s being too tough! “This God was another god the god of the NT is a God of LUV!” Yeah! Right! So He’s changed? Was wrong before? Next thing you hear is that hell does not even exist and “good actions will save a person.” THAT’S HUMANISM, PEOPLE! WAKE UP!
To answer the next question of Mr. Where’s Luv (and other Kumbayah Christians) who asked – for what sins will you be judged for, my friend? – and to that I read 1 John 1:6-7, which says:
If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from ALL sin. (I emphasized the word ALL so that y’all may see that the price has been FULLY paid!)
And there you have it! The answer then is WE WON’T BE JUDGED FOR ANY OF OUR SINS BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN REDEEMED BY THE BLOOD! You guys are amazing! You sing it everyday in your social meetings (yes! Not services cause otherwise I wouldn’t be here telling you basic doctrines!) and yet you haven’t got it! Since you’ve been redeemed, and your sin was washed, SOMETHING WILL HAPPENED TO THOSE WHO WERE NOT, and I can bet your NIV Bibles that good actions and good morals won’t save those dudes from that!
Now we must not only check out MJ’s life but also his death. Wasn’t it life-inspiring LUV-DOVY Christians? Wasn’t that a trully example of how well he lived his life? Even if he got lucky and accepted Jesus on the last minute (probably due to his wonderful friendship with full-of-good-actions people Dr. Deepak Chopra, or Oprah Winfrey, who don’t even believe in sin) would you like to be saved like he did?
So I tell you brothers, our God will require us to take a position from now on and preach boldly, and indeed make many people upset because of that. The time is coming when the tares will be separeted from the wheat, and you better not get yourselves saying:
Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then The Lord will answer, “I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
Ms. Hippie, keep up the good work!
Jul 11, 2009 @ 21:42:52
Drummer/ Ms Hippie,
I would like to say that all you have said has “turned my face and life to the Father”….thank you for pointing out that my intimate relationship and Church is sappy, lovy-duvy and fleshy- and since I do NOT want to go to hell because you say I am- I’ll not ever allow compassion to enter my thoughts again. I will also start spreading, shouting and pounding the hell message that you have found to win/save souls.
Thank you for allowing me to never come to this site again and I too will spread how your truth is told , but with such violence in your heart. If you notice.. kind words are ONLY spoken to the readers that TOTALLY agree with what you say yet you ask them to “test” things. You guys are full of knowledge but it profit nothing without compassion/love and understanding. DUSTING MY FEET AND YOU CAN PICK THIS APART AND EXPLAIN ALL YOU WANT , I WILL NOT BE BACK TO READ IT.
Suzy
Jul 11, 2009 @ 22:09:23
Ok sister Suzy. May God bless and keep you forever and ever. May His face always shine upon you and may He always make your path straight. May you have the wings of an eagle and may you soar to places you have never been. May all that you do for Him glorify Him and may many come to Him through you. Be blessed Bride of Christ! Be blessed!
Jul 11, 2009 @ 22:31:31
Drummer, I don’t know what to say. But thank you for defending the truth of the Gospel.
Jul 11, 2009 @ 22:46:14
KC woman, not everyone who comes here may be a christian. I’m not talking about everyone who posts comments, but the ones we do not see or hear from. Not all who come here know that a man needs to be born-again. As long as people comment, I will do my best to answer them.
I’m not dissecting MJ’s life. He either died knowing the Lord or He didn’t.
MJ was never my foundation. The Word of God was and is. It is only when others look beyond the Word and then MJ becomes the “foundation.” Like I say, I don’t know where he is this very moment. God does. But if in the meantime, this article and/or comments can help someone somewhere think of things eternal, well then, so be it.
Why debate MJ’s faith you say? Just in case there are those somewhere that would follow in his footsteps and not know what he was. I heard he had become Muslim a few years back. Wouldn’t it be a shame that there may be some out there who idolize him so much, would turn to being a Muslim just becasue he may have been one?
Like what was done during the Beatles era? Remember, they got young people interested in eastern religions.
Jul 11, 2009 @ 22:51:53
THE DRUMMER,,,,,, you make me proud to be a Drummer!!! You GO,, Drummer boy.
Jul 11, 2009 @ 22:53:26
“What,” says Satan, “do you hold to these denominational creeds? Sensible men are getting more liberal, they are giving away what does not belong to them—God’s truth; they are removing the old landmarks. Acts of uniformity are to be repealed, articles and creeds are to be laid aside as useless lumber, not necessary for this very enlightened age; fall in with this, and be an ***Anythingarian***” – Charles Haddon Spurgeon
Jul 11, 2009 @ 23:09:09
Suzy,
When have I EVER said you are going to hell? That might be your conscience that is speaking to you, or the devil, or even the Holy Spirit convicting you. Who knows? But one thing I can guarantee you: I certainly did not. Why won’t you ever allow compassion to enter your thoughts again? What does that have to do with the justice of God? Ain’t He already compassionate by sending His Son, Our Lord and Savior Jesus so that “whosoever believeth in Him SHOULD NOT PERISH? Does your Bible have this verse? Does it have anything to do with compassion or justice having those who do not trust in Him perishing? Should He be compassionate toward the wicked and eliminate hell? Why did Jesus die on the cross in your opinion?
YES! Preach the hell message! Alert those who are bound toward destruction! (If you see someone about to be killed by a car while crossing the streets, do you softly say, “excuse me my beloved friend, but I think you’re doing fine crossing the street. By the way, you don’t need to worry about the car that is coming toward your direction because, you know what? GOD LUVS YA!” right in the middle of that, the car would’ve run the person over!) Scream if need be! For thus says the Word of God:
Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. You are all sons of the light and sons of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be alert and self-controlled. 1 Thess 5:1-6
Yet another verse:
…Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. …when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Matt 3:2, 7-10
So, you can try to hear what God is trying to say here, who knows? This crazy drummer guy might be saying something. Or do what you want. I’m not God. I think you have one, so let Him talk to you.
Jul 11, 2009 @ 23:14:26
Damon, Spurgeon had that right!
Jul 11, 2009 @ 23:21:54
Drummer, I never got the impression you were saying Suzy was going to hell. I certainly did not insinuate it to her either. If I thought so, I would have out and out say it. But neither of us insinuated such a thing.
Jul 13, 2009 @ 05:40:45
Wow. I couldn’t even read through all this judgmental garbage. I started reading, watched the video, and just stopped, disgusted. Several reasons, the main being that you seem to have ignored facts, gone off of tabloid trash, rumors and very very old information. You said you didn’t want to make this about him, but you did. I never have been a fan of Mr. Jackson, but I have followed his life story since his death and formed my own opinion based on all that I’ve seen. While I agree that some of his work in the 80′s had questionable morales, his later work was much different as were his interviews. I could cite example after example in his later years when asked why he didn’t sue or speak out against the people who wronged him or why he loved children so much, and his answers were consistent: “Jesus” (let me say that again) “Jesus said that we are to be childlike–NOT CHILDISH–but childlike, that we are to love, and not hold hate in our hearts…” If that sounds like someone trying to lead people astray…??? There are some lyrics that come to mind from one of his songs “she prays to God, to Buddha, then she sings the Talmud song. All this confusion contradicts. Do we know right from wrong?” And even more poignant: “Weary. Tell me you’ll hold me. When wrong, will you scold me? When lost when you find me? They told me a man should be faithful and walk when not able, and fight till the end, but I’m only human…” I’ve found multiple interviews and songs that talk of him having “Heavenly inspiration” and speaking of Jesus. Now he may have had some issues. Among the many, Body Dismorphic Disorder where he could not reconcile how other people saw him with his own self image. Which makes sense, because the man couldn’t go to a restaurant without people standing outside screaming “come out!!” As a present, he had friends close down a shopping mall and all dress up in costume so that he could actually experience a simulated trip to the store. How can a person NOT be a tad eccentric? He was NOT a freak. The simple fact that you feel the right to say that about another human being disgusts me, and shows me that you have no love in your heart. Of all the things I’ve seen from him, it’s clear that as tortured as he was with the constant lies spread about him and the lonely life he lead, he had love in his heart. The Bible says that if you don’t love God, how can you really love your brother? The evidence shows me that he loved people. His main goal in life was to change the world, make it better, inspire people worldwide to love each other. Not steer them away from Christ as you’re trying to accuse him of with your old videos and your tabloid smut. You say he “settled” which is proof of guilt, but I can tell you from life experience that is not the truth at all. My brother is a lawyer who has advised his innocent clients many times to settle, because there’s no guarantee that the justice system will prevail. Sad, but true. He was NEVER found guilty of any charges, and again, when asked, repeatedly said that he was trying to follow Jesus’ example and love children the way he was never loved. Eccentric? Yes. Maybe a bit childish? Understandably so. Misguided and confused at times? Absolutely. An evil freak who was trying to gather the world up in an effort to combat Christ? Surely not. He even admitted that he was only human and that he needed help when he was straying. There’s nothing evil about that. It makes me sick to know that he had to deal with this kind of judgmental garbage all throughout his life, and now people like you who fell for the lies of the media are still spreading lies in the name of the “truth” and the “good fight”. I
Jul 13, 2009 @ 13:19:32
Renee, Wow, and I could barely read through your pablum without wanting to puke. Once again another one comes here spouting off their “love” gospel. You people only want to see what you want to see. You accuse me of condemning the man to hell. I have not.
I know what MJ said about Jesus. I saw the interview with Oprah back in the late 90s. He tried his best to talk about Jesus and was doing a great job at it, but Oprah–the enlightened new age guru to many, shut him up. How’s that for another one of your Hollywood self-grandiose gurus?
You use his songs as some kind of plumbline or whatever. Amazing, when you will not even look at what scripture says.
I know he was a hurting individual. But that alone does not guarantee anyone an entrance into heaven.
If a man is not redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, then he is evil before the eyes of the Lord. It does not matter his works on this earth, get it? There is no middle ground people. Get it through your heads. No middle ground. Why do you people try your best to defend that? You do it every time you come here and ignore the truth of that.
I will say it again: Unless a man is born again, he can not enter the kingdom of heaven. If anyone out there knows if MJ was born-again, please let me know. Nothing would make me happier at the moment than getting to heaven and seeing a perfect and undefiled MJ dancing and singing before the throne of God.
Perfect and undefiled like we all will be for those of us who have accepted Jesus, not as some new-age guru, but the sacrificial Lamb of God.
Now let me ask YOU: IF IF IF MJ is in hell this very moment…who do you think he would want speaking to his loved ones? One that is warning them about hell? Or one that is looking at his music, his good works and pain and somehow trying to use it as some kind of prop to prop up a “Love” gospel?”
Don’t come back unless you answer the question.
Jul 13, 2009 @ 15:48:13
To Redeemed Hippie:
Praise the Lord for real Christians like you! Somebody who knows and reads the word of God and is not led by the lies of this world that insist to preach that people’s good actions will avert their fatal end before God.
To Renae Harder:
Fortunately I chose to read ALL your judgmental garbage so there will be no excuse like, “but, you didn’t read all that I said!” Let me tell ya something: I’ve been a Michael Jackson’s fan since he was in the Jackson 5. I even watched his old cartoons! As an African American myself, I felt proud of Jackson even until he was out of the group and into his own stuff. He was a brilliant dancer. NEVERTHELESS, his actions spoke so loud I could barely hear what he had to say.
Lemme ask you some questions:
1- What is a freak to you? According to the Webster Dictionary, one of the definitions of the word “freak” is “One that is markedly unusual or abnormal as a person or animal having a physical oddity”. According to the DSM IV, to be diagnosed with Body Dysmorphic Disorder, a person must fulfill the following criteria:
- “Preoccupation with an imagined defect in appearance. If a slight physical anomaly is present, the person’s concern is markedly excessive.”
- “The preoccupation causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.”
- “The preoccupation is not better accounted for by another mental disorder (e.g., dissatisfaction with body shape and size in Anorexia Nervosa).”
If you just look at MJ, you will see it is the freak definition that hits the spot, right when he started to modify his perfect normal appearance that Our God had given to him.
This next question will be a lot more complex, so I’ll divide it in sections:
2- ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN? See, because NOTHING you wrote here is coherent to the word of God. You mentioned that MJ said many times the name of Jesus, but Matt 7:21 says, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” You don’t get it! Just mentioning His name, or doing good actions does not justify ANYBODY to go to heaven.
2.a) You said, “Jesus said that we are to be childlike – not childish – that we are to love, and not hold hate in our hearts…” IN WHICH PART OF THE BIBLE DO YOU READ THAT? Or better saying, which kind of Bible is that? Let me help you a little bit by giving you one of the verses that you’ve just misquoted. In Matt 18:2-4 Jesus, “…called a little child and had him stand among them. And he said: ‘I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven’.” The original Greek says, “Except ye be converted as a little child..” The verb means to change or turn from one habit of life or set of opinions to another, thus having nothing to do with love one another, but having a change of your behavior and attitude, IN OTHER WORDS, BEING BORN AGAIN – the type of change that grabbing your own crouch or breaking cars in videos does not demonstrate. So you are at least misquoting the word of Jesus. I have already mentioned it here, but lemme do it again: Jesus said, “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” About hatred, well, the Bible says of Jesus in Heb 1:9 “You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; …therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.” JESUS HATES WICKEDNESS AND SO MUST WE!
2.b) What kind of Christian would quote ANY MAN (not only MJ) saying, “…They told me a man should be faithful and walk when not able, and fight till the end, BUT I’M ONLY HUMAN?” I’m only HUMAN?? There’s a letter written in the Bible by a man named Paul to the Christians in Rome that says, “Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God.” I would suggest you start reading Romans chapters 6 – 8 and see what being born again really means. (to be continued)
Jul 13, 2009 @ 16:04:46
Drummer, what can I say? Thank you for being able expound in ways I was not. Bless you brother, bless you!
Jul 15, 2009 @ 13:50:10
(Here is the continuation of my comment about Ms. Renea Harder’s comment)
3- Ms. Harder said:
“The Bible says that if you don’t love God, how can you really love your brother?”
AGAIN, WHERE IS THAT IN THE BIBLE? That was a poor interpretation of 1 John 4:20 which says, “If anyone says, ‘I love God,’ yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.” This is a clear verse about love AMONG THE CHILDREN OF GOD. You must belong to the family of God to be part of the fullness of this type of love. But who can be considered a child of God? Well, here is what John 1:12-13 says,
“But as many as RECEIVED him, TO THEM gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
THAT’S RIGHT! Only those who have received the Lord Jesus are called Children of God. So what happens to all the other human beings? The Bible is very clear about that too:
2 Peter 2:12 (NIV) “But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, CREATURES of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.” KJV says, “But these, as natural brute beasts…” Natural beings, or the natural man, also known as carnal men can be easily identified in the Bible:
Jude 17-19
“But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, ‘In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow THEIR OWN ungodly DESIRES.’ These are the men who divide you, who follow mere NATURAL INSTINCTS and do not have the Spirit.” No wonder you quoted MJ saying “…They told me a man should be faithful and walk when not able, and fight till the end, BUT I’M ONLY HUMAN?” In short, the Bible says Love YOUR BROTHER, and I can’t even tell you about what kind of love we’re supposed to express to other human beings since you don’t really understand the Bible.
I know that a picture is worth a thousand words, so check out this video about MJ’s surgical transformations and make your own decisions about the “freak” definition:
Jul 15, 2009 @ 13:55:06
Drummer, thank you for expounding on what the love of God truly is. So many have watered it down to mean very little now days. Don’t be surprised if anyone accuses you of “hate” because you speak the truth.
Jul 18, 2009 @ 05:52:56
Did anyone of you know MJ personally? This is what amazes me. Gossip is a sin not gospel. His death was just a distraction. A distraction (to those who don’t pay attention) to what’s really going on in this world. I personally was a fan, but I never idolize anyone. Anyone that idolized him could easily idolize Brad Pitt. There are some unstable individuals in this world and they are the ones that need to be reached. As far as the all the MJ coverage, that’s the media’s fault. They know that death and scandal and all things negative yields higher ratings. Who knows if he went to heaven or hell but judging from this thread, I suspect that most of you feel he went to hell. How evil is that!! Do you wish people who are in the spotlight and have problems to go to hell?
I believed he was good person with problems. If my ability to empathize with others makes me lost or evil then I guess I’ve wondered onto the wrong page. SPECULATION, SPECULATION AND MORE SPECULATIoN = GOSSIP, GOSSIP AND MORE GOSSIP. I’m done watching the news. I choose to believe in the good in people. If it turns out that I’m wrong about MJ, I’ll still go to heaven.
Jul 20, 2009 @ 21:39:31
I see that you’ve chosen skip over my last comment and post one that came in after mine, which I assume means that you have no intention of meeting me with a different, less condescending attitude. I think that’s so sad, because you’re ignoring scripture. You obviously think I’m misguided in the way I think, though I pretty much agree with the previous poster, Cort, when they talk about how evil it is to gossip, and how whether MJ went to heaven or not, us seeing him from more of an empathetic point of view does not affect whether or not we know Christ. I happen to think that he knew Christ and had trouble dying daily to himself because of all the other things he had competing for his attention and his soul. As I’ve said over and again, whether, in the end, he rejected Christ or not, no one knows but God. Having that opinion does not make me evil. Me saying that I don’t appreciate a video that’s supposed to be declaring the “truth”, speaking in gossip and rumors does not make me evil. But you obviously think that I’m confused.
So here’s what scriptures say about how you should be receiving your guests who may not give you high-fives and thumbs up for your video: 2 Timothy 2:24And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
I have seen none of that. I’ve seen you pat a man on the back who agrees with you, but who is just as un-gentle as yourself, who quotes scriptures out of their true context. The one he’s so fond of about Jesus coming not to bring peace, but a sword? Has he really read the whole chapter? Does he really know what it means? Because I promise it doesn’t apply to the arguments in the way he’s using it. And what about you applauding him for sharing what God’s love truly is? Because really, I see judgment in his comments. Assuming that I don’t understand scripture because he misunderstood something that I was trying to say. I quoted the “I’m only human” line in the context of a song that I interpreted as a man’s cry to God, admitting that by himself he is just a man, sinful by nature. A wretched creature who can do no good on his own. But through God, all things are possible. Now maybe you disagree with me about the interpretation of the song. But according to my interpretation, it is entirely Biblical to call out to God and admit your weakness without Him, and re-state your need for Him. So the tangent that your Drummer friend went off on, assuming that I don’t understand that people who live by the flesh die a sinners death? That was so out of line. The blatant judgment that I have no idea what I’m talking about was so off base. I saw no love, no kindness, no gentleness, no mercy. Christ said over and over again: I desire mercy over sacrifice. I had so much more I wanted to say, but I am tired. I obviously am speaking to someone who looks down on me and thinks that I’m foolish, but rather than try to reason gently thinks it’s okay to badmouth, accuse, and make demands. This just makes me sad…I really don’t think you “get it” the way you think you do.
Jul 21, 2009 @ 12:05:03
Cort, as far as I know, no one here who commented did not know MJ. I am very much aware of “unstable individuals” that need to be reached. That is why I wrote about MJ to begin with. In hopes that a some may not follow his spiritual beliefs, whatever they may be. Because it appears his beliefs were not in trusting the One true God; Jesus.
I don’t believe one person on this thread wishes him in hell. More than once, many of us said we hope he was in heaven. So how evil is that for you to accuse us of such a thing?
It does not matter if he was a “good person” with or without problems.
So your truth is one of choosing “to believe the good in people” no matter what, and then you can go on to heaven. How selfish is that? Love is waking up people. Love is telling them the truth. Not just “choosing to believe the good in people.” That alone is not worth an eternal thing.
Jul 21, 2009 @ 12:18:10
Renee, did you actually want me to post that last “comment?” A “comment that was well over 6 pages long! If you want to tell the whole world your life history, you may do that, but not here.
You said in your last “comment” regarding your life history: “I didn’t tell this story for sympathy. I don’t want it, don’t need it. Very few people who really know me know all of those details, and I would like to keep it that way, because when people are your friend because they pity you, it’s not true friendship. My own husband doesn’t know all the dirty details.”
Yes, you did tell it for sympathy. You told it so you could get the readers to overlook the fact that you have no discernment AND so you would not have to take responsibility for it. If you wanted to “keep it that way,” in not wanting people to know the details of your life, then you would not have told so much. I did you a favor by not posting it. This is not a site for 6 pages comments about one’s life history unless it pertains to the subject at hand. If you need that, then you need to find a counselor of some kind.
You come here and you judge Drummer and me for daring to be truthful. What part of the Gospel that Drummer gave you did you find hard to swallow?
“I assume means that you have no intention of meeting me with a different, less condescending attitude.” I am not condescending. If I were, I would baby you. But perhaps this is what you truly want? I will not do it.
How about you coming here with a less than argumentative/victim attitude?
If it really makes you “sad” here, then I suggest you pray for us. It appears you are playing passive-aggressive games. If you are, then stop it. I don’t mince my words for those who do not want to take time testing things in light of the Word. I don’t sugar-coat things for those who want to hold on to their idols, whatever they may be.
Jul 21, 2009 @ 17:25:40
Wow. Michael Jackson was a very disturbed person. His life is very sad and I feel bad for him. Many of us do. What’s worse are all the people running around making money off his death, even his father. When someone tells us they have been hurt by another in the way that MJ had, we should pay attention. Joe Jackson was on Larry King last night denying he ever hurt his son. Should we believe HIM instead?
Then we have others coming forward with allegations they were molested by MJ. He has gone as far as to admit by his own words he shared his bed with other boys and sharing your bed is how you show love. What grown man does this if not to molest?
Then, there are the music videos of him groping himself, crotch and chest, repeatedly. What is THAT about? Sick! And children watch this.
The word says you will know them by their fruit. It is one thing to love someone regardless of thier sin. But is is something completely different to say that just because someone was a good person or spoke of Jesus that he was saved, or could have been. Many people are claiming stories about Jesus, visions, dreams, visitations, but know nothing of the true Christ, nor care to.
We are either born again or not. There is not a fine line there. We are called to separate ourselves from the world and to have nothing to do with the works of darkness. Yes, it can be a struggle, but one that can be won through Christ. If someone comes and says he is a Christian, but has nothing in his life to show that he is, he probably is not. And nowhere in the word does it way we are supposed to give them the benefit of the doubt. Christianity is NOT the wimpy feel good I-love-everyone-cuz-I’m-high flashback of the 60′s so many are trying to make it out to be!
We are also called to warn others and expose the darkness to save them from eternal punishment. Hell is a real place! This is what RH has done here on this blog. It may not be palatable to many, but the truth remains the truth and it is ugly. We cannot sanitize it and make it nice for those who may not want to be offended. Jesus called things for what they were, he did not spray them with Lysol and paint them with pretty pink flowers so they would be comfortable in thier sin.
Renae Harder, consider putting up your own blog if you have so much to say and argue at MJ’s defense. I’m sure you will get many accolades from his fans. How tiresome this has become, long ago. I have to wonder what it is you are trying to accomplish because you have done no good here. You came in attacking a video that you were offended about, and have stayed to turn that offense on others who have done nothing but tried to understand you. What is a 6 page comment really for???? A blog of your own!
RH has put up with you longer than I would have.
Well done RH, please continue.
Jul 21, 2009 @ 17:42:35
You know, we have all this discussion about the upcoming “hate crime” bill and legislation which will make most Christians into criminals for standing up for the truth. When I read comments like I have here I have to wonder if these so called Christians who think God is all about love, those who call us unloving or judgmental will be the first in line to hang those of us who stand up for the truth of scripture. It’s beginning to sound that way to me.
Jul 21, 2009 @ 19:32:38
mkayla, I think you are right in saying that those who will hate us will be the ones in the church for the most part. I find it revealing that Jesus says of those who will want to kill us, “They think they are doing God a service.” That is not talking about non-believers, but those who think they follow God.
Do I believe God is a God of Love? Yes, I do. But does love mean not telling the truth lest it hurt someone’s feelings? No. True love does not pamper, it calls up. The church has gotten so used to a “feel good” message where everything has to feel good or it is not of God.
Thank you for being part of my life.
Jul 22, 2009 @ 01:03:25
Amen and amen, sisters! I agree with you completely. I guess Pharisaism is taking on a new form these days… and who were the ones to always pick up the stones to throw at Jesus (and then at Stephen, Paul, etc…)? And isn’t it funny it is always happenning when some truth was being spoken that was hard for them to take?
I’ve always wondered what Jesus meant when he said that one day we’d be flogged in the synaguogues. Now we know!
Jul 22, 2009 @ 01:22:14
KB, I appreciate you sister. I appreciate your love of truth and your zeal. May you be able to stand in the days to come, no matter what.
Jul 22, 2009 @ 04:57:07
Praise the Lord for Christians like Sister Mkayla, RH, and the King’s Bride! You decided to go against the media, the whole society – and even against what most of those luvy-dovy churches preach – and started to read the word of God and follow it! It’s a hard price to pay when one sees mostly everybody going toward the opposite way he goes! The world will say about you, dear sisters, “These who have caused trouble all over the world have now come here!” now how do I know that? Am I only defending them, as one claimed here, because “they agree with me” or vice-versa? The answer is because Christians, most of the time, are judged by the world because they are thought to “hate people who don’t think like they do.” But in fact what we really hate are not the people who sin but sin itself. MJ is a person who, like I said before, I admired, but “his actions spoke so loud I could barely hear what he had to say.” I’m just repeating again what I’ve already said. Once again I will say, “Oh! What a surprising day the Day of The Lord will be to those so-called Christians, who think that by justifying the wrong deeds of the wicked perhaps, they can somehow justify theirs.” People, it’s not about MJ, it’s about his actions! Jesus said about men’s actions that “by their fruit you will recognize them (comparing their actions to fruit). He continued, “Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.” Matt 7:16-18 These verses everyone knows and it’s easy to identify some people’s churches by using what Jesus said and applying it in what we are saying. Let’s take MJ as a good example: he was a good person, he did good things, according to Ms. Renee Harder. So we could use MJ examples of a good ‘Christian’ and apply in Ms. Harder’s church and see what would happen. Does anyone in her church would sleep with children at night in the same bed? I doubt they would. Would you follow this MJ example as a good Christian moral action? Or what if her church’s Praise and Worship team leader would grab his crouch in the middle of the service? Is that a good example to be followed? Well I know you would say that there are other good examples that he probably did, but those are the ones we KNOW he did and there are many who followed MJ’s actions because he broadcasted them as his trade marks. Ms. Harder also mentioned here the words of the song “Will You Be There” as a proof that he was not trying to lead people astray and even “as a man’s cry to God, admitting that by himself he is just a man”. But starting with the song title, one can KNOW this man had no idea who Jesus is. How about getting the rest of the song?
“In Our Darkest Hour In My Deepest Despair Will You Still Care? Will You Be There?” Can you, Ms. Harder, as a Christian say those words to God? Is that a good example to be followed? Would a Christian say that? I wouldn’t! Thank God I can read in my Bible that “He will NEVER leave me nor forsake me”, and that “My God is with me whithersoever I go”, or “even if I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I shall fear no evil for He will be with me”. Would you like to have a death like MJ?
But Jesus did not stop there in Matt. 7:18, He continued to where we have been talking about here for days. In verse 19 He says, “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.” NO LUV! Just straight to the point. I’m curious to know how you would interpret this verse, Ms. Harder. About 2 Tim. 2:24, compare it to Jude 3 and explain that to me too. By the way, explain in your own words what does Jesus want to say in Matt.10:34.
(to be continued)
Jul 23, 2009 @ 23:09:12
Please read all:
2 Timothy 3:1-10 (King James Version)
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
3:10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, long-suffering, charity, patience,
Lets not say “follow or worship” Micheal Jackson but where in any comments are: natural affection, purpose, faith, long-suffering, charity, patience…people are drawn to just the name of this blog “Redeemed Hippie” and if there is some truth that you want to get out there, God’s people deserve respectful comments that they can understand and is of a learning measure. False accusations that make a person feel hated or despised does not turn one TO the truth as you say it. We need to reason together about the interpretations we have and be able to hear that you care…not that I am wrong and only you are right. I love the Lord, but that does not “water down” my relationship with Him or others, and it doesn’t make me a person that believes only what I feel (lovy-dovy) as you put it. His commandments are the truth and He wants us to have no other idols above or other than Him. I need your help here and need to know that all this IS because you love God’s people enough to tell them what is true…not accuse people and appear to throw a stone. Dont stone me if I am not in the same spot on the journey as you. I need you …to help me… understand.
Sincerely…Suzy
Jul 23, 2009 @ 23:41:05
http://www.worldchallenge.org/node/6756
I believe this!!!
Jul 24, 2009 @ 12:07:04
Ok, Suzy, I do appreciate your sincerity and so let’s see if we can start over, ok? Once again I can’t but help believe that it APPEARS you come to this blog accusing and condemning again. You ask, “but where in any comments are: natural affection, purpose, faith, long-suffering, charity, patience?” I believe they are all over the place Suzy, if you can’t see them, then I don’t know what else to tell you. The fact that we keep going around the same old mountain is one proof.
This sounds like an accusation or put down: “people are drawn to just the name of this blog “Redeemed Hippie.” So what does that mean? I should change the name or something? That people are only drawn to it JUST because of the name and not the content? For the record on WHY the name of this blog. I got tired of trying to belong in church with church people.
There was NO place for me in the midst of watered-down gospel messages that went along with every wind of doctrine in some way or another. So God gave me this place. All are welcomed here. But I do not put up with anything I would have to put of with in most churches.
You say, “if there is some truth that you want to get out there, God’s people deserve respectful comments that they can understand and is of a learning measure.” You have just accused me again. I have been as respectful and loving as I can be with those who come with a sincere heart. BUT if I see what I believe is manipulation, deceit or propaganda, I will address it. Nowhere in scripture are we told we must walk on eggshells with people. Jesus certainly didn’t. I have been more than patient with you. Just because you do not get the answer or the response you want, does not mean others are not being respectful.
“False accusations that make a person feel hated or despised does not turn one TO the truth as you say it.” I agree, so what is it that I accuse you of that makes you feel hated or despised?
“We need to reason together about the interpretations we have and be able to hear that you care…not that I am wrong and only you are right.”
You accuse me of not caring: I think I have shown on more than one occasion I care, Suzy. Does someone have to be one who agrees with you in everything or they don’t care? I have never said I am right about everything. Some things are just obvious to me, though.
“I love the Lord, but that does not “water down” my relationship with Him or others, and it doesn’t make me a person that believes only what I feel (lovy-dovy) as you put it.” No one said it did. The thing that waters down the truth is when the whole truth is not preached. Like hellfire and brimstone, warning of the wrath to come, the Cross.
“His commandments are the truth and He wants us to have no other idols above or other than Him.” TRUE and there are so many idols out there. So many that we have gotten used to thinking they are good things, something to keep and treasure when actually they become idols that lead to yokes of bondage.
“I need your help here and need to know that all this IS because you love God’s people enough to tell them what is true…not accuse people and appear to throw a stone.”
Suzy, I do love Gods’ people. That is why I warn, that is why I sometimes may sound harsh… it is my heart’s cry to say, “Wake up!” If your house was on fire, what good would it be to gently knock on your door and be afraid to wake you up because it may hurt your feelings? I would be shouting “Get out! Get out!” I love His Bride. I hate the whore (anti-christ that has come upon the world and is within the church) who pretends to be the bride. I don’t believe you are the whore, but the Bride, ok? Once again, are you accusing me of throwing stones? People who disagree with you for whatever reason are not throwing stones. Remember, you were the first to accuse of throwing stones. Are you still doing it? If so, then stop it. Just stop it. My patience is wearing thin on that. If you are not, then forgive me for accusing you of it. I’m not a mind reader here. But please don’t play games with me if you are.
“Don’t stone me if I am not in the same spot on the journey as you. I need you …to help me… Understand.”
What is it you need help in understanding? Just say it.
I am not stoning you, so stop it. Every time you do that, you set yourself up as some kind of victim and I don’t like that. Not at all. I do not cater to victim mentality. I want people to rise up and be what God has called them to be. I will not condescend or baby.
I find you evasive Suzy. I asked you before, I ask you again:
IF IF IF Michael Jackson were in hell right now, who do you think he would want speaking to his family, one who presents nothing but a love gospel or one who presents the whole truth–one of warning of hell? I’m not being rude here, but you keep skirting the issue.
If you have any problem with this post, please go back and reread all of my comments and tell me where I am wrong.
Jul 24, 2009 @ 22:35:45
Ya know what > you speak out of both sides of your mouth lady- My experiences are all I have to go on here- I too , am not affiliated with a church for the same reasons as you and found myself searching the internet just for fellowship. The name of this blog would have drawn me in a moment! It was a compliment. When I first posted , I thought too much emphasis was being put on this man and just thought it had been ran in the ground. I understand now that teenagers have wanted to commit suicide over his death and now all your posts make sense but hey- you and your co hert drummer want to label ones that may come here and only hear you yell and turn away…-both of you label people in their comments and make them feel dumb for not already knowing what you believe, no maam it is not like telling me my house is on fire , get out!, by calling me a “soulish, luvy duvy gospel type ” , it hurts.
answer to your question: If I were Michael Jackson’s family , I would want someone like me who WOULDN’T send a sweet soft email telling them that they are having to go to a funeral and do the eulogy with such heart -and then in FRONT of everybody, act superior and totally twist everything I said, I would lend an ear first and give advice when asked , I’d consider my audience by asking the Holy Spirit how to teach people the truth …and not prick them in the heart when they are trying to understand.
I find you EVIL, and I will ask you …why is it that your ear hears the opposite of Love…
Jul 24, 2009 @ 23:19:29
NOTE to anyone else interested. I sent Suzy a personal email after her last comment. It read “The reason I write you is to tell you I do hear and appreciate your sincerity on your last two comments. I hear your heart AND like I have said before the spirit in me bears witness that we are sisters. Period. I Want to response very much, I really do. It is not to chew you out, God knows. But right now I am not able to respond as i would like. It may take a day or two to do it in the way I sense God leading.
One of in hopes to repair any breech either of us may have caused in light of not fully understanding where the other was coming from. For the Word says the world will know we are christians by the love we have for one another. Not our doctrine, (though that is very important), not by our faith, not by our works but by our love for one another.
I just lost a dear aunt on the 22nd. She was my favorite aunt and I loved her very much. I will be doing part of the euglogy. It is not something hard to do, just a time of sadness and contemplation.
So please do not take it personal if you do not see your comment up right away.
Be blessed, sister Suzy, be blessed.”
So readers, after getting her last comment this is my last comment.
Oh my gosh, girl! WHAT on earth did I say this time??? I did not know you were giving me a compliment about the name of my blog. So why didn’t you just take the time now and tell me instead of getting all worked up for pete sakes?!
Can we agree that it is hard to know one’s tone online? I have said more than once I am NOT a mind reader. I have spoken to you softly, Suzy. Yet each and every time you come across mad! I am completely baffled… really I am. IF you had a problem with anything I said, then why can’t you discuss that with me instead of once again coming in here and making accusations????
I did not yell at you in that last post! But I am now!!! Because it is obvious it is you who is yelling and you have been doing it from the moment you came in here.
You just keep on ACCUSING and accusing and I tried to talk decent to you. You say I and others make you feel dumb! I can’t help how you feel. But I do know this, no one has EVER purposely tried to make you feel dumb.
So you find me evil? You know what? This is it. No more comments. I will let the other readers decide if they think I’m “evil” or not. As for you…. I don’t have a clue what your deal is and I am done.
And I ask you what on earth is so wrong with you that you take such offense at every little word? Don’t bother answering. So long Suzy. We have nothing in common. Good Bye.
Jul 25, 2009 @ 00:52:52
Drummer, well said, brother.
Jul 25, 2009 @ 00:53:14
(Continuation of my answer to Ms. Renee Harder)
Ms. Harder said, “Christ said over and over again: I desire mercy over sacrifice.” Jesus mentioned this verse from Hosea 6:6 only twice in the Bible. The first time, was in Matt. 9:13 when the Pharisees criticized Him for eating with sinners and the second time when they were splitting hairs with their technicalities about working on the Sabbath (Matt.12:7). The interpretation you gave for this verse is – when mercy is lacking, then religious formalities are meaningless. You just missed the Hosea part, after all there’s a reason why Jesus is mentioning this particular verse. You also forgot the verse before in which Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick”. That’s what we’re talking about! That’s mercy! I have a good example. In my church there’s a lady who, before accepting Jesus, had smoked for 34 years. She started to loose weight and coughed a lot, but her friends insisted on saying that “she was ok. Coughing was just a normal smoking reaction.” She’d been without taking care of her smoking problem – just listening to her friends – for 10 years. Then one day, a friend of hers, who happened to be a doctor, decided to exam her for free and told her, “If you don’t stop smoking YOU ARE GOING TO DIE!” Now, Ms. Harder, who had mercy of that lady? The ones who told her to continue to live her good smoking life the way she was, or the doctor who told her the ugly but gospel truth? Jesus was not simply telling the Pharisees to be nice with sinners, but saying, “They need a chance to repent and go to heaven, you Pharisees ain’t no better!” Jesus was around this world not to teach people to be “good guys” or just do “good actions”, but to BRING SALVATION! What many churches don’t preach anymore is SALVATION FROM WHAT? It’s like the lady smoking with NO worries because for her, the pleasure of a cigarette made her feel good.
The context of Hosea 6, beginning on verse 1 is all about UNGENUINE REPENTANCE – “Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.” The essential elements of a true confession are missing: the reference to sin. It’s what’s happening in our churches today, the Gallup poll people said about last century that, “it was the years of the evangelicals.” We are as numerous as the polls indicate, but WHY IS IT THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE SO LITTLE IMPACT UPON THE COUNTRY? Crime increases, divorces are increasing, etc. it is either because there are really not that many evangelicals as we claim, or because being ‘BORN AGAIN’ MAKES NO DIFFERENCE IN HOW A PERSON LIVES. The answer? Evangelical movement is shallow. It speaks of salvation, but it does not grapple with sin. And since it does not grapple with sin , there can be no true repentance. The second missing element in the “alleged repentance” missing in Hosea 6 is A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. This is not easy to detect but trust me, it’s there. Voltaire, the brilliant French atheist once saidof God’s forgiveness, “Pardonner? C’est son métier!” (Forgiveness? That’s His job!) People don’t mention that there WILL be a hell waiting for those who don’t repent. We are never in greater danger than when we assume that He will always forgive us as long as we go through the outward forms of repentance, like the Pharisees used to do. People of the luvy-duvy churches think, “Well, I sinned but that’s ok, because God IS LUV and He has to forgive me!” So why did Jesus die? What is He saving you from? And that’s the message here: WITHOUT REPENTANCE THERE IS NO LOVE FOR GOD. Jesus was showing mercy to the tax collectors because He was giving them a chance to TURN from their wicked way. THEY OUGHT TO CHANGE OTHERWISE THEY WOULD GO TO HELL! Same thing with the Pharisees, They could do like MJ and say, “Jesus! Jesus!” they could go to church every day, sing hymns, even “do good deeds” in other words, sacrifices, but they didn’t want to show mercy telling them about their end – but those sacrifices will all be worthless as far as finding God is concerned. Evangelism is helping people to become aware that THEY ARE GOING TO HELL and how to avoid it (remember John 3:16? “…for whosoever believeth in Him SHOULD NOT PERISH!) Was Jesus being cruel when He said that?
Jul 25, 2009 @ 01:21:03
Drummer, once again you were able to expound in ways I could never do. You have a great teacing gift.
Aug 03, 2009 @ 22:24:32
Michael Jakson is and was unique, disdained and loved, slandered and praised, humiliated and glorified.MJ is of stage very softly spoken, very shy and very kind person, on the stage he become one with the One, he was a pure Cousciuosness of Love/ Energy.
Michael Jakson with his divine voice is like an ancient divine singer Orpheus ( Plato times), who was able to cast formless matter into form, Michael was also able to transform invisible Cousciuosness of Love to visible Energy of Love. MJ is like a Cry of light ( Egypt times), a singing Sun which created the world with the Though of the heart and Sound of the tounge.
Unfortunately the dark forces wanted to destroy MJ and they ironicaly used as a tool a child accuser to damage Michael in his most vulnerable part, that is the genuine universal love for childhood and children. Does this really not tell us anything?
Consequently Michael was badly tortured by mass media..ecc , and he started taking pain- mind control pills, becouse his heart was bleading to much.
In the end his heart stopped and he suddenly left us, his sudden death shoked the world. This might help the world to heal and the diseased collective ammnesia of humanity will hopefuly get cured and we will wake up and realise who we really , where we came from and were we are going to and what we have done and we are doing to thouse who already realised who they were.
Michale Jakson, eternal thanks from all mine heart for all your unconditional Love and Light you gave us. And for the time being thank you, becouse your imprint of Love in our hearts will remain for always, regardless where you- we are.
Aug 04, 2009 @ 12:45:37
Joanie, I would be more than glad to publish your comment AND the link to you blog. As I have been to it and find it a wonderful example of God’s grace, mercy and suffering.
But will you please just come right out and tell me why you picked this article to comment on in simply saying, you wanted to “challenge everyone on this blog” to go to your blog?
And please explain why you said at the end of your comment “love protects.” It must have some kind of special meaning to you. Would you tell us?
I know who you are, Joanie.
But would you like to tell the rest of us why you want to challenge them to come to your blog? Like I said, I would be more than glad to post your link as I would with your sister blog. I just have not gotten around to doing a few things yet.
Thank you.
Aug 04, 2009 @ 14:04:43
Rosana, Sorry it took me so long to post your comment. I thought at first it was a joke. Really I did. But, I’ve come to the conclusion you are actually serious. Thank you for commenting. You have proved my point; one of being that there are those who worship Michael Jackson.
On his sudden death….“This might help the world to heal and the diseased collective ammnesia of humanity will hopefuly get cured and we will wake up and realise who we really , where we came from and were we are going to and what we have done and we are doing to thouse who already realised who they were.”
I don’t think so, friend. Come out of the damnable New Age movement and into the truth of the true God.
Aug 04, 2009 @ 18:17:38
Dear Rosana,
I can see that you seem a little confused. It seems to you that the ‘one’ who MJ became one with, and was, according to you, “a pure Consciousness of Love/Energy” was not able to help poor Mikey when the press started to criticize him. What kind of ‘energy’ is that? It can’t even help the one who uses it! It sounds that this same ‘energy’ was not even able to strengthen poor old MJ against the “the dark forces that wanted to destroy him.” And to add insult to injury, the dark forces were so more overwhelm than the ‘energy/love/Consciousness’ that “consequently Michael was badly tortured by mass media… and he started taking pain-mind control pills, because his heart was bleeding too much.” Thank God we don’t need that type of ‘energy’ to take care of my life! It’s like working like a mule to make some money in order to pay my utilities every month and at the end get frustrated with no light or electricity in my house.
What’s the point of “divine voice like an ancient divine singer Orpheus, able to cast formless matter into form, and being able to transform invisible Consciousness of Love to visible Energy of Love” like you said if he could not use ANY of it to save his life? And even worse – all of that talent serving his ‘energy’ let the dark forces ultimately destroy him, like you said. I see all that talent, that wasn’t used correctly, as the parable Jesus told about the rich man in Luke 12:19-20. the rich man looked at all the skills, wealth, properties that he had and said, “I’ll say to myself, ‘You have plenty of good things laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry.’ But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?’”
That’s the question I ask you, Ms. Rosana, if the ‘Consciousness/love/energy’ could not save MJ from the ‘dark forces’, what are you going to do when the same forces come for you? There is a God. He and Him alone can protect your soul from the same end MJ had. He does not ask for actions of benevolence, good deeds, because “…we are all like an unclean thing, And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags; We all fade as a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, Have taken us away.” Isa. 64:6. Come to Jesus NOW. Come as you are. He is the One Who can give you rest, and peace, and joy and once He is in your life, the Bible says that “No weapon forged against you shall prosper.” He is the one Who says, “Come now, let us reason together, though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool.” Isa 1:18.
Oct 17, 2009 @ 00:01:01
Hi,
Most of the conversation has stopped, however I am curious,
in your first paragraph you state that you believe that Michael Jackson was a wicked man.
Do you believe that God loves only the redeemed or does he love the wicked and the redeemed?
I hope you can answer this.
Thanks, Angela
Oct 17, 2009 @ 00:37:51
Well Angela, I believe that God loves the wicked enough to send His only begotten Son to die for all of us. While we (including myself) were yet sinners (wicked) He loved us. Does that help answer your question?
As far as my opinion on MJ — I believed that what was portrayed of him by media was wicked. Was media right or/and exact on their portrayal? I sometimes think no because I have come to the conclusion media is all about brain washing masses of people into believing what they want us to believe. Do I believe MJ was a wicked man? I do not know. I just do not know the answer to that. IF MJ was not born-again, then yes, he was wicked no matter how good it may have looked on the outside. IF he accepted Jesus Christ at some point in his life as his Redeemer, Savior and Lord, then MJ has every much of right to be in heaven as anyone else who confesses Jesus as Lord. Did MJ do this? I do not know. In my heart of hearts (which can be deceived) I believe something in him did at some point. But that is just an opinion. I have nothing to base it on.
God is angry with the wicked everyday yet He sent his Son as a perfect sacrifice to die on a cross and rose on the third day for the likes of my wickedness and for the likes of all wickedness.
Oct 17, 2009 @ 01:44:48
Thanks for the response.
I am just examining this from different angles.
Do you think that scripture supports the idea of separating the sin from the sinner?
People say hate the sin but love the sinner.
I have visited the GoodFight Ministries before and I support their effort to let Christians and the general public know about the evil that is under the surface. I was appalled by the Back Street Boys video since that one was new to me. I can’t even tell you how I felt after watching one member gyrating on the floor and imagine our youth watching that…do these people have no shame. I think if I saw him on the street I would just tear a strip off him…I work with kids and I see the damage day and day out.
Yet I know I should preach the gospel, yet it is hard when you see the damage they do.
Many entertainers like Madonna, Spears really have no talent, some have talent but they would sell their souls for fame and fortune.
I think MJ’s life bears further inspection in some ways.
There are reports that in his last weeks of life he was praying with the Pastors Andrae and Sandra Crouch. What this means I am not sure. I do believe he was searching.
I do understand some of the angst in this blog because you have called him wicked and yet we do not know what he felt, believed and prayed after he met with Pastor Andrae Crouch. Once one is redeemed… one is redeemed, and everything one did before is covered by Jesus’s sacrifice and one cannot say they are wicked anymore.
I have been a Christian for many years and I had a very powerful conversion,all the evil that Stan perpetuates on human was revealed over night. I stopped listening to “secular” (for lack of a better word) music. However for others they come to learn truth more slowly and see the evil more slowly, and it can be hard to know from our earthly point of view what side of that dividing line they are on.
I may at some point post some comments that I have from another blog as to MJ’s beliefs about Jesus and his conversion. I have no way to substantiate the truthfulness only two people who gave a testimony, who knew him, that had indeed come to know the true Jesus, (not the JW Jesus he was raised with) and that he had accepted him as Lord and Saviour.
My last question is what are some of the occult symbol that MJ used…what videos are they in? While he was definitely taken in by new age stuff I cannot believe he would knowingly and the key word is knowingly follow and promote Satan.
Thanks, Angela
Oct 17, 2009 @ 02:07:04
One other question are you “LuvWorkingatHome” person on youtube.
I totally support that effort!
Angela
Oct 17, 2009 @ 13:04:37
angela, no I am not her. I know of her work, though. She is good at what she does! I just love her!
Oct 17, 2009 @ 13:55:54
Thanks, Angela
Angela, I do not know how we can totally separate the sin from the sinner as the word says, 2 Tim. 2:19 “Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”
Iasaih 59:2 “But your iniquities have separated you from your God; And your sins have hidden His face from you, So that He will not hear.”
Well, of course we do not hate others. But yes, we hate the sin. Hating sin does not mean hating others. Nor, does it mean making excuses for sin for the sake of “peace.” A lot of people will say today it is “hate” to even speak against sin. That is a lie from hell to silence those who know light from darkness. The light comes, but darkness does not comprehend it so it is the light made to compromise for the sake of “peace.”
Angela, a lot of the symbolic occult meanings are hidden within a lot of different videos. For example: Lee Ann Rimes has a video of Amazing Grace with illuminiti references through it. Even a human altar. It really is dark and sickening. Most if not all hip hop, along with heavy metal have it. In fact it is hard NOT to find a music video of some symbolic occult meaning in it. Look for balls of light. Symbols. Hand gestures. Brick walls. Crosses (That have nothing to do with the real Savior) Remember, Madonna made a sickening show of being on a cross.
Here is a link that exposes some of the occult in music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drTJzVUr4fk
If you are looking for MJ and occult, do a search on it.
Did he willingly follow? I don’t know. I believe sometimes a person may be forced. Was he one of them? Perhaps.
A lot of musicians whether knowingly or not, end up following Luciferian thought. This is New-Age. It has to do with the world coming together as one. Sounds good right? But it is one of false unity where everything and everybody will be tolerated but independent thinkers — especially Christians.
Oct 18, 2009 @ 13:53:39
Hi,
Well I took your advice and did do a search on the occult in MJ’s work and I did find some interesting stuff especially around the album cover of Dangerous.
I also found this interesting video, not too over the top, credible and certainly gives you pause.
It harms the message when Christians in their zeal go to far to the extreme to prove their point, they just look too much like the sensationalism that we see everyday in the papers.
I think that the video you posted from GoodFight Ministries on Michael tends to be like that. He talks fast, makes unsubstantiated assertions and it just does not really help the message and the warning that they are try to send out.
Anyway I hope you do not mind me sharing this link. I thought the info to be worth consideration.
I knew this was there, I think I did not realize how systemic.
Thanks for your response on my questions and I have thought about it and I think your response is totally in line with what scripture teaches us.
Isn’t Jesus amazing!!
Time must be short…..Angela
Oct 18, 2009 @ 14:34:02
Thanks Angela,
I’m glad you took the time to search the matter out.
I agree that “goodfight” ministries tends to have a sensationalized thing going. I do not agree with sensationalizing, it is just at the time the video seemed to be appropriate for what I had believed over the past decade or so because of mainstream media. But the issue about Alesiter Crowely is one to take seriously. Please do a search on him. The Beatles on their Sgt. Peppers Band album have him as one of the people on the album, along with Hitler and others. Alesiter Crowley has influenced many rock stars. Was MJ one? Perhaps at some point. When you are as famous and as well known as he was, I can not help believe Alesiter Crowley was in MJ’s beliefs at some point or another. If so, I believe there was a chance maybe he repented. I hope so.
The link you left is one of the best at explaining how things work in the music industry. I have watched it over and over and had not put it up because of some language used in it. (or maybe it was the first part) But I am going to go ahead and put it up because it does speak directly about what is expected from musical icons.
I found the following interesting: Notice at 7:50 when he says, “They never thought this performer would out think them” that someone creeps up from behind him. Was this a coincidence or a threat? I do not know.
As far as the “ghost” being at Neverland, I do not believe the dead get to come back to earth. I believe it is demons impersonating the dead to get people to try and communicate with them. So I do not endorse this ghost story at all. That was another reason I did not put the video up.
It is obvious in the video there was a time in MJ’s life he knew something and felt threatened. I personally believe after doing much research, that he WAS going to expose a horrible plan. I am sure this will cause some of my readers some alarm and I do not mean to make him sound like a saint when I say this but, if that is true, then he was a martyr.
I just know this: NEVER AGAIN will I or do I trust media. They all lie and they all have their spin on things. It is up to us to search a matter out. If media has us looking at such-n-such for days, we need to ask why? What is it they don’t want us to be looking at?
No longer will I say MJ is burning in hell. I repent for saying it. I do not know where he is at. I believe Michael Jackson was murdered for a reason (to keep him silent) and I hope to see MJ dancing and singing in all purity before the throne of God one day.
Time IS short. That is why I am allowing your video to go up.
Bless you Angela, for being a Berean. Keep searching matters out and test all things. Even me!
Oct 19, 2009 @ 00:42:00
Hi.
I totally agree about the ghost part. I do not believe that the author is a Christian, yet he/she does give some compelling information otherwise.
Having experienced and toyed with Satan worship in my younger years I am very take it very seriously as a Christian and know its effects.
It makes me very sad to think that people worship Satan and in the end all he wants is their destruction.
Another question, is that your full testimony or is there more on a different page….I would like to know how you came to commit your life to Jesus? I was not able to see that part.
Thanks for blessing me….and blessings back to you… we serve and amazing G-d who is able to keep up from all adversity.
Angela
Oct 19, 2009 @ 03:16:41
Angela, About the rest of my testimony… no it is not done. I had been working on it last fall and had some events happen in my life and put the testimony on the back burner and not gotten around to actually finishing it. But, maybe it is something I can get done soon enough after I take care of some other things going on here.
You are a blessing to me also! May God keep and watch over you always!
Apr 07, 2010 @ 02:49:02
I THINK THIS IS A MOCKERY!! AND IM DISGUSTED THAT I HAD TO READ THIS! IF THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT GOD THEN WHY AM I READING GARBAGE AND NO ONE IS SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT LOVE OR SHOWING COMPASSION, I WAS RAISED IN CHURCH AND WOULD NEVER TALK ABOUT ANYONE LIKE THIS ALL I CAN READ IS NEGATIVE ABOUT MICHAEL AND THEN THROWING IN SOME SCRIPTURE….. MJ WAS A GOOD PERSON AND GAVE SOO MUCH OF HIS TIME AND MONEY INTO HELPING PEOPLE AND HE NEVER TALKED ABOUT PEOPLE. EVERYONE GETS SSSOOOOOOO CAUGHT UP IN WHAT THE MEDIA SAYS AND WHAT THE MAGAZINES SAY AND THEY BELIEVE IT. MJ WAS NOT IN THE OCCULT GET THAT STRAIGHT! NO ONE CAN STAND UP FOR HIM BUT I HAVE MADE IT MY PERSONAL OBLIGATION TO STAND UP FOR MJ. HE SPENT HIS LIFE HIDING AND EVERYONE TALKED ABOUT HIM AND WHAT DID HE DO NOTHING! IM SOO EMBARRESSED BY THAT FACT THAT “CHRISTIANS” ARE TALKING TRASH! WHERE IS THE LOVE AT? IF JESUS IS IN YOUR HEART THEN WHY DO YOU SAY WHAT YOU SAY? LEAVE MJ ALONE HE IS NO LONGER HERE GOD IS THE ONLY ONE TO JUDGE A MAN!! WHAT I HAVE READ IS JUST SO HYPOCRITICAL AND THERE IS NOO NEED FOR IT! SOO BEFORE YOU POINT A FINGER LOOK AT YOURSELF AND FIX THAT NO ONE IS PERFECT! ALL MY LOVE TO MJ AND HIS FAMILY!
Apr 07, 2010 @ 03:32:01
you are all stupid your just a bunch of back wood baptist chistians trying to get your name out talking about michael jackson all of you disgust me all you no imagination hippies all of you get a life and leave the dead alone you bastards
Apr 07, 2010 @ 22:06:22
Margurite, Listen here, nobody twisted your arm to come here and read anything. You did so at your own free will. I don’t give one wit what you think, woman. Whether or not, MJ was a “good” person or not, is beside the point in so many ways. IF you knew anything about the truth of God, you would know that.
You talk about everyone getting caught up in the media… I just bet you were one who got all caught with Obama and the liars and deceivers in the church: Creflo Dollar, T.D. Jakes, Joel Osteen, Rick Warren, Paula White, etc. Oprah is probably your guru. That is the reason you are angry. Because, face it: you came here and read some other things on this blog that touched more of your idols (Obama being one) and you did not have the guts to have a decent exchange of words. Instead you come here HIDING behind MJ. As far as the church you grew up in — THAT is probably your problem. You have absolutely no discernment towards a man that MIGHT have been a perverse child molester and homosexual. But I realize that means nothing to people like you as long as someone can enter your emotions and make you feel oh so touchy feely. Your kind is not wanted here. Don’t come back. Any of your comments will go straight to spam from now on. So long.
Apr 07, 2010 @ 22:06:59
thedrik, you sir (and that is stretching it to give you ANY KIND of respect) are about as intelligent as a rock. I realize you are too much of an idiot to have any kind of discourse, so I relieve you of this place forever. You aren’t worth my time and if you come back, your comment gets thrown in spam. So long you liberal loving Obama worshipping moron.
Aug 28, 2010 @ 21:28:51
redeemed hippies I would advise you to go to this website http://www.reflectionsonthedance. It might clear up some things for you. God Bless
May 10, 2011 @ 01:25:25
I have read your Article regarding Michael Jackson and I have to strongly disagree with the article. Michael Jackson had an amazing talent and he did take music to a whole new level. He was an amazing man with an amazing heart… I have to say that he was also very misunderstood on so many different levels..
People seem to forget how much good this man has done for people all over the world, Michael has put Millions of his own money into helping the ill and being able to help others in need. The amount of money we are talking about goes into the Millions more then I can say that any other Entertainer has ever done. He was also recognized 7 times in the Guinness book of world records when it comes to supporting Charities and so many others.
I also have to address that Michael Jackson was found innocent, He was never guilty of any Child molestation charges..There was no evidence to prove this man was guilty, He was 100% Innocent… It has been proven that Michael was part of an extortion plot to destroy him.. I have the a video from Geraldine Hughes who wrote the book “Redemption” who states that she was a witness in the extortion plot against Michael Jackson. I would like to think that if my child was molested, I would never take money to just settle it. I would make sure that the person who has done this to my child has the right punishment. So in my eyes it pretty obvious that these people were just going after Michael’s money.. If I were you I would read the FACTS before writing things that are NOT TRUE
May 10, 2011 @ 20:04:57
Shelley, you are right. Michael did do a lot to help others. No doubt about that. Yet, that alone is not what redeems him or any of us. I truly do not know about his guilt. I wish i did. Part of me believes he was guilty and part of me says innocent. Since his death, I have come to believe that there were people out to hurt him in many ways. Perhaps the charge of child molestation was one — I do not know. The truth is hard to know and hard to find sometimes. This is one of them for me. I thought MJ was a musical genius. Really I did. I enjoyed his music many years ago and still enjoy some of his music. I grew up with him in my generation. His death — no matter who he was or what he did or didn’t do, saddened me. Facts are very important to me… truth is very important… it is hard to know sometimes. Thank you for dropping by.