Follwing article gotten here:
http://contenderministries.org/UN/gaia.php
Anyone who has studied the global environmental movement has no doubt heard the term “Gaia”. Gaia is a revival of Paganism that rejects Christianity, considers Christianity its biggest enemy, and views the Christian faith as its only obstacle to a global religion centered on Gaia worship and the uniting of all life forms around the goddess of “Mother Earth”. A cunning mixture of science, paganism, eastern mysticism, and feminism have made this pagan cult a growing threat to the Christian Church. Gaia worship is at the very heart of today’s environmental policy. The Endangered Species Act, The United Nation’s Biodiversity Treaty and the Presidents Council on Sustainable Development are all offspring of the Gaia hypothesis of saving “Mother Earth”.
RedeemedHippie:[Please know anytime you hear or see these words, Sustainable Development, it means literally killing thousands and millions of people to sustain THEIR world. This is nothing short of human sacrifice in order to save the planet.]
This religious movement, with cult-like qualities, is being promoted by leading figures and organizations such as former Vice President Albert Gore, broadcaster Ted Turner, and the United Nations and it’s various NGO’s. Al Gore’s book “Earth in the Balance” is just one of many books that unabashedly proclaims the deity of Earth and blames the falling away from this Pagan God on the environmentally unfriendly followers of Jesus Christ. The United Nations has been extremely successful in infusing the “Green Religion” into an international governmental body that has an increasing affect and control over all of our lives.
RedeemedHippie:[You may get mad at me, but we can put Rick Warren in there now with his greenie outlook on everything. The question we need to ask, is he aware of sustainable development? Is so, then why has he not come out with it? It is impossible for me to believe he knows nothing about it as he is so tied into the greenie movement now. Would he even listen?]
So, what is this new cult of Gaia? It is basically a rehashed, modernized version of the paganism condemned by God in the Bible. Science, evolution theory, and a space age mentality have given it a new face, and made it sound more credible to a modern world, but it is the same paganism in all of its evils. There have been other religious movements that have presented similar revelations about the deity of a living earth, but Gaia has succeeded in uniting the environmental movement, the new age movement, Eastern religions, and even the leaders of many Christian denominations behind a bastardized version of paganism where the others weren’t able to.
The Gaia hypothesis can be credited to James Lovelock. Lovelock worked for NASA during the 1960′s as a consultant to the “life on Mars” Viking spacecraft project. Lovelock’s theory claims that the earth’s “biota”, tightly coupled with its environment, act as a single, self regulating living system in such a way as to maintain the conditions that are suitable for life. This living system, he believed, was the result of a meta-life form that occupied our planet billions of years ago and began a process of transforming this planet into its own substance. All of the lifeforms on this planet, according to Lovelock, are a part of Gaia – a part of one spirit goddess that sustains life on earth. Since this transformation into a living system, he theorizes, the interventions of Gaia have brought about the evolving diversity of living creatures on planet Earth. From Lovelock’s perspective in space he saw not a planet, but a self-evolving and self-regulating living system. His theory presents earth not as the rock that it is, but as a living being. He named this being Gaia, after the Greek goddess that was once believed to have drawn the living world forth from Chaos.
RedeemedHippie:[Red flag! If this is what they believe, then it will take more chaos to appease their god -- one of creating such chaos in order to balance the earth once again.]
The idea of Earth as a living, divine spirit is not a new one. Plato said “We shall affirm that the cosmos, more than anything else, resembles most closely that living Creature of which all other living creatures, severally or genetically, are portion; a living creature which is fairest of all and in ways most perfect.” As today’s version of paganism, Gaia is eagerly accepted by the new age movement and fits neatly into eastern mysticism, but science was needed to gather in the evolutionists and science-minded humanists. For these people, Gaia was made palatable by Lovelock’s Daisyworld model, a mathematical and scientific theory designed to refute the criticisms of Darwin’s groupies. Just as evolution eliminates the need for a divine creator, the Daisyworld model provided a theory of evolving life on earth that incorporates natural selection with a world that is interconnected. It eliminates a personal yet separate God, and makes humans a part of the divine spirit that is Gaia.
More appealing to the New Agers and the interfaith movement is the mystical side of Gaia. They can easily relate to the belief that humans can have mystical experiences or a spiritual relationship with Gaia.
RedeemedHippie:[Kind of reminds me of last years' revival of all the out of body experiences and we were to believe it was of God! Reminds me of the New Age Mystism that has crept into the church. Reminds me of so many things that have been taught as THE Gospel of Christ.]
A connectedness to nature and the belief that humans are a part of this collective consciousness called Gaia appeals to them. Gaia teaches that an “Earth spirit”, goddess, or planetary brain must be protected. It is this belief that fuels the environmental movement, sustainable development, and a global push for the return of industrialized nations to a more primitive way of life. Just as with the evolutionists, the humanists, and the other pagan religions of the world, Gaia has named Christianity as the obstacle to human evolution and our spiritual destiny. A document mandated by the U.N.-sponsored Convention on Biological Diversity, the Global Biodiversity Assessment, explicitly refers to Christianity as a faith that has set humans apart from nature and stripped nature of its sacred qualities. The document states:
Conversion to Christianity has therefore meant an abandonment of an affinity with the natural world for many forest dwellers, peasants, fishers all over the world …The northeastern hilly states of India bordering China and Myanmar supported small scale, largely autonomous shifting cultivator societies until the 1950′s. These people followed their own religious traditions that included setting apart between 10% and 30% of the landscape as sacred groves and ponds.1
RedeemedHippie:[Reminds me of the whore who pretends to be the Bride of Christ calling anyone that would dare test their teachings -- religious. You can bet there are those who are embedded with this.]
While condemning Christianity as the root of all ecological evil, the document goes on to praise Buddhism and Hinduism as they “did not depart as drastically from the perspective of humans as members of a community of beings including other living and non-living elements”. Non-Christian religions are definitely favored by the global government as good stewards of Mother Earth.
Members of this “Green Religion” will all agree that the Earth is in a crisis state and this ecological emergency is the result of Christian traditions. They believe that the Judeo Christian belief that God assigned man to rule over the earth has caused us to exploit and abuse it. Monotheism, they assert, has separated humans from their ancient connection to the earth, and to reverse this trend governments, the media, our education system, artists, and other areas of influence must revive earth-centered myth and reconnect us to Earth’s spirit. Al Gore, in his book Earth in the Balance, expounds on this view:
“The richness and diversity of our religious tradition throughout history is a spiritual resource long ignored by people of faith, who are often afraid to open their minds to teachings first offered outside their own systems of belief.
RedeemedHippie:[This is blatant compromise to a Christian. We believe Jesus told the truth when He said, "I am the way, the truth and the life." Period.]
But the emergence of a civilization in which knowledge moves freely and almost instantaneously through the world has spurred a renewed investigation of the wisdom distilled by all faiths. This panreligious perspective may prove especially important where our global civilization’s responsibility for the earth is concerned.” (pp. 258-259)
Gore praises the Eastern religions and new age spiritualism, while blaming Christianity for the elimination of the ancient goddess religion, and calls for a new spiritual relationship between man and earth.
“The spiritual sense of our place in nature predates Native American cultures; increasingly it can be traced to the origins of human civilization. A growing number of anthropologists and archaeomythologists, such as Marija Gimbutas and Riane Esler argue that the prevailing ideology of belief in prehistoric Europe and much of the world was based on the worship of a single earth goddess, who was assumed to be the fount of all life and who radiated harmony among all living things. Much of the evidence for the existence of this primitive religion comes from the many thousands of artifacts uncovered in ceremonial sites. These sites are so widespread that they seem to confirm the notion that a goddess religion was ubiquitous through much of the world until the antecedents of today’s religions, most of which still have a distinctly masculine orientation…swept out of India and the Near East, almost obliterating belief in the goddess. The last vestige of organized goddess worship was eliminated by Christianity as late as the fifteenth century in Lithuania.”
RedeemedHippie:[The New World Order intends to bring it back.]
If Gore had read the Bible he would know exactly why Christians will not open their mind to these other beliefs as he suggests. The Bible very clearly warns us not to.
“So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in him, rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness. See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ. For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority.” Colossians 2:6-10
Gore also might want to read Romans 1:18 – 25:
“The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities – his eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the creator – who is forever praised. Amen.
When men began to worship the creation instead of the Creator, the wrath of God was revealed. As societies begin again to turn from the truth of the creation and worship nature, “Mother Earth”, or any other deceiving spirit, the evil and deception in their new religion will be made evident by God’s response.
Romans 1:26 – 32
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Our societies today are becoming a picture of this wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. As the Christian church is brought into the fold by organizations such as the National Council of Churches and the National Religious Partnership for the Environment, we can be sure the results will be a further decline into immorality and chaos. There is a drive by these organizations and others to meld Earth worship with Christianity in the name of tolerance, biodiversity, sustainability, and the preservation of Mother Earth. It is a battle for Christianity and an attack on biblical truth. When this pagan agenda reaches your church or your community, how will you respond? Will you speak up for the truth of God or will you exchanged the glory of the immortal God for a global compromise that is leading countless people into spiritual darkness? As followers of Jesus Christ we know the truth and must boldly proclaim it. The opposition is fierce and to those who don’t know the joy of a relationship with God, it is an appealing proposition. It is accepting of everything, intolerant of nothing, it deifies the environmentalist, worships the feminist, eliminates all responsibility for sin, and frees you to embrace your sinful nature. The truth of the Bible must first be taught in our churches, and then shared with the world. As churches begin to fall away from the faith and corrupt the Word of God, it is left to Bible-believing Christians to stand up for the truth, contend for our faith, and offer to the world an alternative to God’s wrath. If we are ashamed of our faith, if we compromise our beliefs, and if we hide in our churches and ignore what is going on outside of them, we are aiding in our own destruction and countless souls will be lost because of our complacency, selfishness, and inaction.
“For this reason I remind you to fan into flame the gift of god, which is in you through the laying on of my hands. For God did not give us a spirit of fear, but of power, of love and of sound mind. So do not be ashamed to testify about our Lord, or ashamed of me his prisoner. But join with me in suffering for the gospel, but the power of God, who has saved us and called us to a holy life – not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace.” II Timothy 1:6-8
Sep 15, 2009 @ 17:07:46
This is a very well done article. I have read bits and pieces of all it contains, but never have seen all the information drawn together so well. All Christians need to hear its message. Christians are swiftly being polarized in this world, we are becoming more and more disgusting to them. One can see how it will soon make sense to them to rid the world of those who will not compromise. With so many churches happily following along with the crowd of idol worshippers, makes you wonder, will there be many who will not bow?? Right here in my state of Alabama, way in the southeast corner, I thought we would be safe from such blasphemy. I was wrong, my son’s high school began showing Al Gore’s movie “An Inconvenient Truth” to the students every year AND testing them on it! When I found out I complained to the board of education, and the pricipal, and was treated as if I were some kind of overreactive mommy. One said “So, you don’t think our kids should be exposed to all kinds of information?” I answered “Not when it is full of error and flat out lies.” Both of them bragged they were Christians and Republicans. However, because my son has been taught God’s Word, in his paper he wrote on the movie, he expressed his Christian beliefs and also said that Gore, in the movie, reminded him of a seven year old whining “there’s a booger man under the bed, really!! Regardless of complaints, they still show it, brainwashing children, as if there aren’t important subjects to be taught.
Sep 15, 2009 @ 19:37:54
Geri, this article was written in 2004 (I think) so a lot more could be added to it by now.
Emerging church.
“Christians are swiftly being polarized in this world, we are becoming more and more disgusting to them.”
Maybe some of are being “disgusting” to them. But that is a good thing, Jesus told us we would be hated. He told us if one was loved by the world, well there is a problem, right?
As Christians we ought to be getting our eyes opened to so much that this world literally does not feel like our home. I know I feel like a stranger here anymore.
Good for you for standing up for your child!
Sep 16, 2009 @ 16:51:09
How is it that they blame Christians for modernization of society? Don’t these same people who condemn such a society live in the same or better luxuries of nice cars, homes, air conditioning? Maybe they would like to be the first to give up their luxuries and resort to living in dirt huts and hunting for their own dinner! Truly it makes no sense. Al Gore is a fool and so is anyone who follows his ideology!
Sep 16, 2009 @ 16:59:53
mkayla, it is all about THEM ruling the world the way THEY want to. Do ya think for one minute they will give up THEIR luxuries? Of course not. There will be those with the power and there will be the slaves. It is that simple. The slaves will live in worn down cities while their leaders live like kings. Lord come quickly!
Sep 16, 2009 @ 17:17:10
Yes, I had that same thought, too. This world gets uglier every day. The life God intended us to live in freedom is not free at all. His own creation destroys it moment by moment. Not by pollution but by the control of men by men.
Maranatha. xoxox
Sep 18, 2009 @ 00:58:56
Your Blog site has inspired me to start writing more on mine! I just wrote an article on the new world order. There is such evil at hand! Christians need to ban together to fight it. http://kassiedill.blogspot.com/
Sep 18, 2009 @ 21:18:58
Good for you Kassie. I’ve seen your videos and you are one truth speaker with passion that encourages me. Know there are a lot of “seasoned” folks out here that stand with you in your views. May you be a light to the Lord your God for your generation. Shine, child, shine! Do not fear the evil doers.
Dec 21, 2009 @ 05:57:07
This article is an extreme distortion of reality. James Lovelock is an atmospheric scientist who uses the term “Gaia” in a strictly metaphorical way to describe how the combined metabolic activity of millions of species of plants and animals in the biosphere operate as a self-regulating biological system. There is nothing religious about it.
Dec 27, 2009 @ 01:12:18
I strongly believe in Gaia.
She is the Earth Mother, a Goddess, and she does have her own religion, technically.
I suppose we do despise Christians, for we find their beliefs totally irrational.
But that is our opinion, no need to get worked up about it.
Dec 27, 2009 @ 15:36:19
Holly, it is hard not to get worked up over something that wants the annilihation of the human race in order to survive. You despise me because of my beliefs being “totally irrational” and my beliefs tell me to love you. So it is not hard to see which is the better belief. Did Gaia ever die upon a cross and come back from the dead for you? I think not. If I told you she was no more real than the tooth fairy, you would come back and tell me Jesus is no more real. Yet, there is a book (Holy Bible) that teaches otherwise. Take heed where you put your faith.
Jan 02, 2010 @ 03:20:34
I don’t despise Christians. I feel sorry for them. Pity them, even. Sad, really, all this obsession with persecution and death. So filled with anger and hatred for others not like them. Wasting their lives waiting to die. Never being happy with the here and now. Just sad.
Jan 04, 2010 @ 16:03:32
Highlander, I suppose we can expect a comment like yours from maybe an atheist or humanist whose religion is one of worshipping self and/or this earth. Wasting our lives by waiting to die? Hardly. It is one of looking beyond the things of this world. It is a greater hope than what non-believers have. You may live in today and that is good. Even Christians can do that much. Yet, we still look forward to leaving this world because of the hope that lives in us. You accuse of us anger and hate when it is the Gaia religion that desires to see mankind die. Truly, which religion is the one filled with hate?
This is sad; to have nothing to believe in but now, the present. Sad is knowing that an awesome God is going to judge the nations and the wicked and many will be cast into hell for thumbing their nose at a holy God. That is sad. Sad is putting your hope in the creation rather than the Creator. Sad is not being able to see past today.
Mar 15, 2010 @ 22:43:23
Most pagan based religions do NOT despise christianity at all. They are rather accepting and do not feel hatred towards christians. However, we do feel some anger. Anger that after christians stole most of our traditions and beliefs and made them their own (ex: christmas, easter etc are pagan holidays)they burned, tortured, and banned those who had the beliefs first. And now, years and years later, there is still hatred towards the PAGANS coming from the CHRISTIANS. I have never actually seen a single pagan hate a christian, but I have seen much hate towards pagans.
It is silly that people have to bring religion into something like the earth. Dont litter, recycle, take care of the earth. Thats all. Requires no religion. Pick up your garbage people.
Mar 16, 2010 @ 09:09:09
Gaia, you may be right on what you say about most pagans do not hate Christianity. It is those in high places I am talking about. They know who they are.
You are not alone in your anger with Christians stealing pagan beliefs and calling them “christian.”
A real Christian with true convictions would not have burned and torched those with different beliefs. I do not hate pagans. I understand they love the earth. However, I hate their beliefs of putting nature above man; as they go against the very essence of God. He tells us not to worship the creation. Those who truly do, will always put nature above the life and welfare of man. This is wrong.
It is not only silly that people have to bring religion to the earth, it is dangerous as well. When it begins to make nature more important over the welfare of man it becomes an abomination and threatens the lives of many.
Peace, friend.
Aug 16, 2010 @ 17:04:46
we who worship the earth dislike the christian faith for there lack of reality.
we all live on this earth and we need a healthy planet to contiue our survival.
being there are WAY to many people on it is a point made by science as well.
most christians I know think that it is all for them and when the earth dies they will be wisked away to some eden and be saved. wake up reality is this is the eden and unless you stop polluting and consuming, all life will perish not just humans.
Aug 16, 2010 @ 18:58:25
Christians have a lack of reality? You are kidding, right? You can still say that after global warming was exposed as a hoax?! Talk about being a complete fool — which you are — for not only with your stupid views, but thinking Christians are the ones not dealing with reality. If anyone refuses to look at reality, it is you. You love believing lies because you are a follower of lies.
Go ahead, worship the earth. See if it will be the earth who will save your sorry butt one day. The earth is going to burn and all within it. Whether you choose to believe this or not, does not take away the fact it is still the truth.
If the earth has “way too many people” as you say, what is the solution in your ever intelligent eyes? Let me guess — depopulation — which would be an act of human sacrifice to the god you serve.
You can have your ‘Eden’ as you call it — you, your “god” and the devils who have made it as something to be worshipped can have it.
So long, you who think you have somehow evolved into something greater than you are. I’m gonna go outside and make my carbon footprint bigger by firing up the grill.
Aug 17, 2010 @ 02:51:47
Well since you are just another moron that hopes the great savior jesus saves them.
depopulation will happen! can you say peak oil! end of story. there is no other supstitute on the planet.this alone will end the oil propeled population rise.
no oil, no chemicals. no chemical farming, no pharmisuticals,no plastics. no tires ( 7 gallons of oil per small car tire) for your cars.and yes I really hope reality does find you! And when you beg to your jesus to save your sorry back side. He will not answer and then you will know.
the living goddess will help you out by letting nature take its course. And let you go back to the earth. at least the soil may get some good out of you.
I forgot to ask do you celabrate easter?christmas?
just so you know those are pagen holidays. Go read and figure it out.
the bible is a great work of fiction.
Aug 17, 2010 @ 13:47:06
forgot to mention that since you state that the earth will burn. so it is you deity aka.jesus that is going to sacrifice everyone?
Aug 17, 2010 @ 13:58:38
And another thing . Are all fundamentalist christians as obsessed with religion.
do you relize that you are like the suicide bombers? so full of yourselves, and 300% wrong!
Aug 17, 2010 @ 18:33:07
Raven, You have managed to not only show your complete ignorance but proven my point about how earth worshippers who are so full of “peace and love,” hate Christianity. And for what? Because we believe differently than you? You are blind and do not know it, naked and do not know it, miserable wretched creature that you are.
You contradicted yourself in saying that the earth will take care of itself. Which is it: Does the earth need us to “save” it or does the earth save us? Do not bother trying to answer. It’s obvious you have brain damage.
You are not welcome here. It really is this simple: This is my place, my turf. You do not get to come into my place with your Luciferian new age thought/hate.
To compare me with suicide bombers, makes you not only a fool but a liar. You are banned from here. Take your lying filthy garbage somewhere else.
You have been spammed from here on out. Any comments you try posting here will go right into spam. So long. One day you WILL bow before the One True God, one day you WILL — with your tongue — confess Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Until then, good-bye. Go smoke another joint and get even more brain dead, you stupid hippie.
Oct 30, 2010 @ 00:44:38
I don’t even know why I am posting.
Nov 09, 2010 @ 02:29:03
DAviD, neither do I.
May 09, 2011 @ 20:35:49
Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii,,,,,,,,,,,,, It’s Ma Earth aka Gaia, The PSYCHO stuck in the box. To you little miss did Gaia die on the cross for you?…. WORSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’d give anything to have to had put up with what Christ did. I don’t know what exactly these evil organizations are doing trying to hill everyone, but you my dear deserve to be recycled. #UCK YOU #UCK YOU #UCK YOU #UCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And for God sakes quit being so #ucking scared of abortions, you ignorant bastards are eating me like cancer
May 10, 2011 @ 19:54:47
Mother Earth (yeah right)
wow, what kind of snake pit did you crawel out from? You will have to excuse me for not publishing
the foul language and the hundreds of explanation marks you left. I felt it my duty to spare the readers of your
disgusting display of hate.
I hardly understand what you are trying to say other than your
hatred that you have spewed all over this place — which will be the last time. What is it that I have said that
was false that got you so angry? Don’t bother answering.It’s obvious you are deranged and incapable of having
a civilized discussion. If you are one who worships the earth, your words have more than proven how the Gaia religion
hates Christianity. What part of abortion is it that you yourself would not be afraid of if you were in the safety
of your mother’s womb? The part where the butcher rips off your little arms and legs? Perhaps the part where the butcher
squeezes your little head until your brains popped out? Or maybe the part where a vacumn sucks you into hundreds of
little pieces? I suspect the “cancer” eating you is your own evil and dark heart.
Thanks for dropping by. You have proven my point of the hatred earth worshippers have for the human race.
Jun 17, 2011 @ 01:01:01
No true Pagans believe that humanity should be killed off to save the earth for that would sadden the great goddess for life should never be seen as expendable. Also no where have we pagans said to go back to the way humanity once was in the past where we lack technology (which sadly is what the church tried to do in the past).
We also wasn’t the ones who went out on mass murder on their minds and hatred in their hearts like the church from the past who hated everything that was not their religion and that is mass slaughter which is what you claim we Pagans are trying to do.
Yet you claim that those who have done that slaughter was not real Christians yet the leaders of the church have yet to condemn those actions which means it was still blessed action against pagans.
by the way who really disproved global warning? those working for those who are causing the problem which would cost them billions if not more to change their ways or those who are not in the pockets of those said people?
one must think about these things deeply and think why one side would say these things such as what are the pros and cons of these research and would they lie and or drag the others through the mud.
anyways I still find it hard to believe your topic as it seems laced with anti-pagan slander and untruths as I see no links and or articles to back your article up.
My the great goddess and gods bless you and keep you all safe.
Jun 17, 2011 @ 23:15:38
Hello Honor above all else,
If it makes you feel any better, I condemn greatly any killings done to any pagan, witches or any group in the name of “christianity.” You say a true pagan does not want to kill. If so, then why can’t the same thing be said for true Christians?
Yet, I stand with the stance that Pagans worship the earth, is that not correct? If so, then it goes against the Christian belief in worshipping the One True God. Why this in and of itself would be considered “slander” on my part, is a mystery to me. Perhaps it has to do with the attitude that a lot of people have right now (mostly within the apostate church) of “tolerance”… “can’t we all just get along?”
Uh well, no. Not if it means I have to be the one to compromise my beliefs for a fake peace with you or anyone else. I will not do it.
Global warming has been proven to be a hoax. Whether you continue to believe it or not, is your choice. I do not stand in the way of that. Neither will you stand in the way I believe.
You say you see untruths in the article and that I have given no proof. I have given plenty of proof of the true movement behind the movement. It IS one of saving the earth at the expense of human lives. I am NOT saying every single pagan or New Ager feels, thinks, believes this way. But, some do.
Just as I have spent time exposing those in the camp I come out of (the church) then why should you not take the time to search and educate yourself in your own camp? If I can look at the lies being taught in the name of the One I believe in, then maybe it would be a good thing (if you are as fair as you appear) to search things out on your end.
What would either of us have to lose by coming to the full truth?
Thank you for the respect you have shown here. I have gotten many hateful vile comments from some that I have not put up. It was nice to get a polite one for a change.
Jun 18, 2011 @ 11:51:33
Disrespect never gains people anything other then strife.
To answer some questions, Yes we do in fact worship the earth but the planet is not the only one we worship but everything as a whole such as the sun, moon, stars, and so on for we believe the great goddess and gods helped shape everything.
one must remember that the oldest religion is paganism and that the church adsorbed 99% of what we Pagans believe in but twisted to serve their own.
Now When I said what you had written was laced with a lot of anti-pagan themes (which from the sounds of it you didn’t mean to) and did not see any links or other information to back up what you wrote and it also makes it sound like a conspiracy theorists(please don’t take offence its just how it sounds and means no disrespect to you what so ever).
As to global warming We are seeing the affects of it everyday so I cannot help but see it as truly happening.
Now I am sure there are extremist out there as we see them in every religion but I cannot call them part of said religion but when the leaders of the churches stay quite about their views of said extremist it is hard but to see their views other then them standing behind them and condoning their actions.
now when you asked about why can there not be any true ‘Christians’ but there are true Pagans all I can answer is this: The church still teach hate in some form or another and many seem to be like sheep and do everything they are told and many of those sheep go to the extreme and start doing harm to others and it is hard to see any true christian out there(Now I know that it doesn’t mean there are not any out there) when many seem to think is Wicca, Witches, and so forth are evil and ‘need to be saved’ so our souls don’t burn in hell.
We have had many people come to our home preaching their god and more or less trying to cram it down my throat and when I asked them to leave they started to sing god and Jesus songs as they left which was really annoying.
In the end I believe that we all should live and let live and leave each other alone and allow one and other to worship whoever they please.
The great goddess and gods frankly do not care who we all worship but it does sadden her I am sure that her children fight over the dumbest things and She would never approve of killing humans to just to try and save mother earth.
I am sure there are many High Priest and high Priestess that would speak out against the ones who use the pagan name to do wrong but do fear for their own safety as well as for their families because of the hate we face for believing in what be do.
Wicca and Witches still go by ‘Harm None’ and most of our spells are for protection, healing, and such stuff.
in any case you have a goodnight/morning and may the great goddess and gods watch over and protect you.
Jun 18, 2011 @ 19:38:45
Honor, yes, I know, the church has pagan customs/roots within it. I’m not real fond if it, myself, and the pagans can keep them for all I care. No disrespect in saying that to you. I am just agreeing with you I already know these things.
I would be annoyed also if someone came to my home trying to shove something down my throat. Not to worry, I’m not doing that to you. With that in mind, I ask that you don’t do, either. Not saying you are…just making a point.
I believe in One God and that God’s name is Jesus. He is the Creator of all that you worship. That being said, keep in mind, you came here. I did not search you out. Instead you came into this place. Not the same as me coming to your home and trying to shove something down your throat.
What more can I do for you? If anything.
Be well.