A few years ago, my husband and I were looking for a church. We finally found one. A fair size congregation of maybe 200 people — I’m guessing — maybe more. The pastor at the time was an ex-biker. He had built a minstry on Jesus alone. He was not in the health/wealth gospel. He boldly preached the truth, had a prison ministry and was a redeemed hippie. I finally found a place I could call home.
Within a couple of weeks he had to retire due to health problems. The church was left with a young couple; very sweet. They had a heart for people and still do.
But, people left and began going to this new church called New Vision. It was being said it had everything you could want. I saw Red flags. The more I heard about it the least impressed I was. I was told I was judgmental. Oh well. It wasn’t the first time and won’t be the last time.
Kind of like the first time I saw Robert tilton on TV back in the 80s. I said something isn’t quite right about him. You’re judgemental.
When Benny Hinn came out with his book, Good Morning Holy Spirit and I said something seemed odd. You’re judgmental.
I could go on and on — but won’t.
Anyway, this idol of a church, this idol of a pastor has bit the dust. It is coming down. Glory be to God. Glory to God for not putting up with this stuff anymore.
Below is a video that may explain why God allowed this pastor to resign. I hope the whole thing crumbles to the ground. Jesus was not the cornerstone of this ministry. If it be rebuilt, may it be rebuilt in the image GOD has for it and not pastors who feed the sheep entertainment!
Following article gotten here: My comments in green.
http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=20106130354
John David Boggs was dismissed as pastor of his high-profile Okolona congregation after nearly six years of leading it amid growth and controversy, according to an announcement Sunday by the governing board of New Vision Ministry Center.
“Based on information brought to the attention of the New Vision Ministry Center board of directors, and provided by the laws of the Church of God International, it is with heavy hearts that we have made the decision to dismiss David Boggs as pastor of New Vision Ministry Center, effective June 11,” board member Bob Brown said.
The rest of the board stood behind Brown as he made the announcement before several hundred people gathered for worship at the Outer Loop church.
The directors did not say why they were removing Boggs, and dozens of people walked out, some in tears, during and after the announcement. Two were escorted out by security guards after shouting that Boggs, who was not present, had not been allowed to present his side of the story.
A church that has to have security guards is more than I want to deal with. There are hundreds if not thousands of real little churches all through the world — hardly any of them here in the U.S. — who have no security guards and they are persecuted. But some pastors here in the U.S. either feel so important or are afraid, that they must need body guards.
“This is probably the hardest thing that I have had to do in my entire life,” Brown told the congregation. “… This board loves David and his family, and we are supporting his recovery in any way we can.”
Does not mention what his recovery is. I wonder why.
Attempts to reach Boggs by phone and Internet were unsucessful Sunday, and he did not return a phone message left last week at the church office.
Boggs — who had been a bishop in the Church of God International, a Pentecostal denomination based in Cleveland, Tenn. — had led the Okolona Church of God to dramatic growth, but he and his businesses have also drawn repeated lawsuits, fines and other complaints over roofing operations in storm-damaged states throughout the South and Midwest.
Boggs will be replaced on an interim basis by Don Logan, a longtime preacher in the Church of God denomination who also served as interim before Boggs became pastor.
“David Boggs is a very, very close and dear friend,” Logan told the congregation. He said he came with no “agenda of my own” other than to help the church recover.
“You had a very energetic young man as your pastor,” Logan said. “You’ll now have to tolerate an old … preacher, but I’ll love you, I’ll listen to you, I’ll share with you, I’ll pray with you and shout with you and rejoice with you.”
I hope you will be a truth speaker and not be an ear tickler! I hope you will get rid of the flesh that Boggs brought in with his watered down entertainment driven church!
He added, “Don’t we serve a good God?” as much of the congregation applauded.
“Whatever you do, don’t lose your relationship or your experience of deliverance from your God,” he said.
Logan declined to comment further when reached after the service.
Brown said the board would answer more questions at a members-only meeting Wednesday.
Phone calls to the Church of God’s national and Kentucky headquarters — made last week to ask about then-unconfirmed reports about New Vision — were not returned.
Boggs, 35, who is married with three children, became pastor in 2004. The church began to grow under its new name amid high-energy worship.
He often based his fiery sermons on popular television shows and sports events, tying their themes into Bible passages. He promoted the church with various means — including Internet broadcasts, an elaborate Halloween haunted house and a widespread billboard campaign in 2009, proclaiming New Vision as “a church for people like you” with a particular appeal to people turned off by traditional churches or who felt unwelcome there.
But his actions in the roofing business in numerous storm-damaged regions around the country have drawn lawsuits in several states, including Kentucky, as well as fines and other government actions. Customers and business associates have repeatedly alleged he failed to make good on poorly done repairs and other obligations.Boggs has admitted some mistakes while also blaming others for many of his problems.
Church of God officials have stood by Boggs amid those allegations in past years, saying they believed he had adequately explained and settled any business disputes.
He recently went through U.S. Bankruptcy Court to reorganize $5.7 million in debts, including more than $1 million in state and federal taxes.
In 2009, the church moved two miles west from its Outer Loop location to the former Wal-Mart across from the Jefferson Mall, which it rented and renovated into a worship center.
As of Sunday, six contractors had filed liens totaling $567,971 on the property, owned by Brown Noltemeyer Co., alleging non-payment for renovation work done on behalf of New Vision. A woman who answered the phone at Brown Noltemeyer last week declined to comment on the situation.
At Sunday’s service, a reporter was allowed to remain during the announcement. But while standing in the hallway afterward, he was escorted out by two security guards who did not give a reason and also refused to allow him to speak to anyone inside or outside the building.
Jun 14, 2010 @ 23:43:30
Wow. Celebrating someone falling. Scary place to find yourself. You’re forgetting all the positive that came from this FLAWED man. Check out facebook, other sites for positive info.
You’re celebrating this while this mans family is in serious pain. You don’t know this mans heart.
I pray you release not only this situation but all the others you reference in your post. Let it go. You honor God, don’t keep track of others.
I am from a state more than 10 hours away. David Boggs wouldn’t even know my name.
Jun 15, 2010 @ 10:13:08
Jack, I “celebrate” the whore having her skirt lifted and exposed. We still don’t know what Boggs issue was and I don’t care. His was an entertainment driven church just like all those within the whore who is pretending to be the Bride of Christ.
Maybe if those who called themselves “christian” — mainly the stupid middle aged people who seem to have some kind of brain damage now days by not testing a thing — did not want to have their ears tickled and follow every new fad and wind of doctrine, there would be no need for people like me. But unfortunately they (false teachers, preachers, prophets, etc.) are out there.
I keep track of heresies for the sake of little sheep who are searching for the truth. Do I have all the truth? NO! Yet, I know fraud, fakery and wolves when I see it.
If boggs is in “pain,” so be it. He can learn to come to the Cross like the rest of us and get delivered from that whoring spirit. God only knows how many people Boggs led astray by his star-studded church services with his false Gospel, having Paula White and other spiritual whoring manipulators. Entertainment driven churches are part of the apostasy.
I may not know his heart, but his fruit — his whoring after the things of the world and leading others into it — stinks.
I “honor God” by not closing my eyes to the truth that the apostasy is out there. I “honor God” by speaking the truth to those who are trying to find their way out of the heresies they have been taught. I “honor God” by exposing darkness.
“Many on that day will say ‘Lord, Lord, did we not cast out demons in Your name…” He will say, “Depart from me, I never knew you, you who practice lawlessness.” For all I know, He could be talking about ME, friend! For I know not one single thing I could even brag about on that day. Not one! I will fall upon his mercy!
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God! — Hebrews 10:31 —
And if even one person has their eyes opened up to the apostasy, it will be at least one soul who may not have to hear, “Depart from Me, I never knew you.”
And before you come back here again to attack me for my words — I‘ve seen it done over and over — just remember your own words, you don‘t know this woman’s heart.
Jul 26, 2010 @ 20:39:32
I knew something was very wrong with this church the first time I attended a service and the pastor was on stage apologizing for his past. He mostly pointed the finger at others in his company. My only thought was it’s YOUR COMPANY so it’s YOUR ISSUE, don’t try and divert the attention away from yourself!
Jul 27, 2010 @ 13:21:32
Brendan, well, I am glad you did not allow yourself to become a part of it. I hope you have found a good place.
Sep 05, 2010 @ 03:13:57
What was wrong with this Pastor? Did he not preach that Jesus was the only way to salvation? YES. Did he not preach that sin leads to death and hell? Yes. Did he not exhort his congregation to pursue righteousness, even in their faults? Yes! Before you start examining his spirit and judging the church, you need to judge it by the fruit it bore. This pastor’s ministry bore MUCH fruit! Even after this mess a remnant that received salvation under Boggs’ ministry are still intact and are pursuing holiness and righteousness in God, and many others also that have moved on to other churches in Louisville. I personally know a muslim who was delivered under his ministry, and a homosexual that was radically delivered from self-hatred and many other problems! Yes, David’s sin has crippled his ministry and greatly hindered the Spirit of God, and yes towards the end of his ministry the prosperity gospel was taught, but it was never like that before… Sin is a horrible thing that can take a hold of you and choke you out, but how about instead of blogging about sin in the church and calling ones whom Jesus calls His beloved bride “idols” how about you do something to change it? You’re dissention is what’s wrong in the church!!! You speak division into it and celebrate when other churches fall because they don’t line up to your expectations. You hypocrite! Look at the plank in your own eye before you judge others! Why don’t you personally call David and tell him you are praying for him? and MEAN it? Why don’t you pray for the church instead of blogging about other man’s sins? I hope you find your way… I truly do, and I will pray for you, whether you think you’re too holy for that or not.
Sep 09, 2010 @ 20:29:20
My “dissention”? Are you serious??? You and the likes of David Boggs are the dissenters. You are going after false gods. As for me, there area many of us who have left churches like yours. It’s called, “come out of her (a whore who is pretending to be the Bride of Christ) my people.” And we will continue because in case you have not noticed, there is an apostasy going on. You would do well, if YOU started testing ALL things. The fruit I test are not sins, but the teachings. I think little of David’s “sin” … if it had been sin alone, then I would not have thought the need to address his heresy. His heresies is one of many that has crept into the church. His church was a seeker friendly church that compromised the Gospel for the sake of entertaining the sheeple who went there. If there had been any good that came out of it, it was only because of the mercy of God, NOT because of David Boggs. I hardly think that apostates with the many things they teach and endorse are worthy to be held up or esteemed. I esteem none of them but you love them don’t you? You love to have your ears tickled.
I hope to “change things” by exposing the wolves, heretics within the church. You would do well if you stopped following the blind.
You call me a hypocrite. What a double standard you speak. It is fine for you to sit back and judge, yet when someone else dares to discern AND CORRECTLY AT THAT, you have problems with it. YOU are the hypocrite. How dare you not to want anyone testing things.
If I were to call Boggs, I would tell him to REPENT for his seeker-friendly, feel good sugar coated entertainment driven church.
Don’t bother praying for me. Not that I think I have arrived or am too holy. But because of the jesus you trust in is not the same Jesus I follow. You follow a jesus made in the image of an apostate. I don’t need prayers from that. Don’t bother commenting again. I’m not gonna go around the same ol’ mountain with you. So long.
Sep 14, 2010 @ 12:05:22
I appreciate what you’re trying to do in the church, and I truly hate the carnal Prosperity Gospel and the distractions that come along with it as well as you, it may well be the great apostasy. But when you confront these things you do it out of love, instead of calling the Church that these people belonged to a whore. For goodness sakes the Corinthian Church Idolized paul as the greek god Apollo, or that he was the same as Jesus and what did he do? Did he confront them with anger or with love? He corrected them and pointed them to Christ, instead of condemning them. I attended New Vision, and there were soo many things wrong there, I loved Pastor David, yet there were many things wrong with him. I don’t attend there anymore, I am at the International House of Prayer now, but I pray for him daily, and I pray for those that were affected by this whole mess daily. I don’t prey on the sheep like wolves to make myself feel better. What you are trying to do is right, you are supposed to correct sin in the church, but point them to the grace and mercy of Christ. Condemn the doctrine and not the people who have succumbed to its sin. My last comment was rude and uncalled for, and I apologize. I was looking for the outerloop church of god website and this was the first thing that popped up on google so it caught me off guard. and yes, I have the same Jesus as you, I just correct in love as He did. I will never sugarcoat the truth, but in everything I do I strive to do it in love. If you don’t respond that’s fine but I just want you to know that I will still pray for you.
Sep 16, 2010 @ 23:28:14
Andrew, I stand by my original stance: These people are part of a whore who is pretending to be the Bride of Christ. For me to pretend any other way than what I believe would make me as guilty of the idolatry and harlotry I see going on in these churches. I will not compromise there. Period.
There is no condemnation unless there is reason to be condemned. I will be angry with the things I see when the Gospel is being jeopardized by liars, deceivers and fakes. How can you not?!
Now you are in IHOP? Has anyone loved you enough to tell you you have gone from one deception to another? Well, I tell you now and what you do with it is your business. You have been warned.
Good luck trying to find a church ion Louisville. Let me know when you find one that has not been tainted by the apostasy in one way or the other.
Oct 26, 2010 @ 20:31:25
Wow, and I thought I wanted to expose this guy. Boggs is a criminal. The fact that he was a disingenuous preacher is about the fifth thing thats wrong with him. He’s much worse in his business dealings and personal relationships than he ever was in his role as a preacher. With that said, his evil self seeking nature has exposed his true colors in every aspect of his life.
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