I found the following here:
http://watchpraystand.blogspot.com/2010/11/counterfeit-heaven-stories-deceive-even.html
Long article but worth reading. I suggest all of those who are so caught up in all the stories about people dying and going to heaven, read it.
They believe they really went to heaven, you believe they really went to heaven, but have you made any effort to compare what they said with scripture or are you uncritically trusting in your own emotional reaction?
Out-of-body experiences and experiences of “heaven” are fairly common these days — seems we hear of one every few years at least. Now there’s the story of Colton, a boy who had such an experience during a life-or-death surgery at the age of four, met family members he’d never known, including a sister his mother had miscarried although he’d known nothing about that, and saw “God” and “Jesus.” He’s now seven and talking about it to the press.
The most distressing thing about these reports, it seems to me, is that sometimes Christians believe them. There are usually plenty of signs that the experiences are bogus but what happens is that people become dazzled by the mere idea of being out-of-body or transported to another dimension.
Part of the experience may be the kind of out-of-body experience in which the person, lying unconscious on an operating table, finds himself above the scene looking down on it, can see himself unconscious, can see other people in the area and hear what they are saying. Afterward those other people report that the unconscious person’s observations were correct, and what happens then is that others believe the story and think such details make the whole thing valid.
So then if during that same episode there is also an experience of going to “heaven,” that is also believed. In this boy’s case there are the apparently validating elements of his having talked to someone who claimed to be his sister that his mother had miscarried, and a great grandfather he had never met. Afterward his parents confirmed both stories. It turned out that the boy recognized a picture of the great grandfather when he was young though not when he was old, the idea being that “in heaven” everyone is young, and in the case of the sister his mother’s miscarriage was confirmed by his parents.
I have the bad habit of spending time studying something, such as this phenomenon of visits to “heaven,” only to leave it behind for something else so that when it reappears it catches me off guard and I’m surprised that anyone still takes it seriously. Years ago I was a member of a charismatic “parachurch” organization and heard the “testimony” of other members which usually include supernatural elements and in one case involved an experience of “heaven.” I accepted these stories, including the one of heaven, but found over time that I had an increasing unease about much of what was being said, which finally came to such a pitch that I prayed for clarity and was able to see the errors in them.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Clues to deception come to light when you pray
The credulity with which these stories are so easily accepted does have the effect of suppressing criticism, in spite of the fact that scripture counsels us to “test the spirits” and not be gullible. I was finally led to pray over my doubts and began to recognize deceptions that convinced me finally to leave the organization — and the charismatic movement in general. The questions I was having were all about the supernatural experiences, including the experience of “heaven.”
It had occurred as so many of them do, when she was very sick. She was taken out of her body and supposedly shown the throne room of heaven. She gave teachings to the group based on her experience, and the main tip-off to its counterfeit nature was her teaching on the “steps to the throne of grace.” I hadn’t questioned it when I heard it but when I prayed about it I saw that it contradicts the call in scripture to “come boldly to the throne of grace,” instead of having to laboriously meet the requirements of a series of “steps” to get there.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Then other elements of the story also showed themselves to be counterfeit, although unfortunately I don’t have any notes handy to remind me of them so I can’t be very specific about them. As I recall, however, the Holy Spirit in this person’s vision was reduced to an empty image rather than a Person, in the form of a corner of a great train that was part of the garment of God that “filled the throne room” — a piece would break off and fall in the shape of a dove down to earth. I think imagery may be an important deceptive element in these experiences as it can mislead people into accepting a falsification of major doctrine, in this case the Trinity, by charming them with fascinating irrelevancies. That is, the common idea that “seeing is believing” is a perfect set-up for deception. There was also a part of this person’s vision that involved pigs, which I think ought also to have been a tip-off but unfortunately that part is less clear in my memory than the reduction of the Holy Spirit to a piece of cloth.
These things are most likely demonic
Since everyone in the group accepted this story without criticism, including me until I prayed about it, I appreciate how easily even Christians are deceived by such demonic shenanigans. And that is without doubt what they are. I don’t doubt that people have such experiences, and that they are REAL experiences, experiences of another dimension of spiritual reality, not hallucinations and not inventions of the human psyche, but I have learned to expect that they will turn out to be the work of demons.
In some cases there may be fraud involved, but there is no need to assume this as so many unbelievers do. For instance, Fox News has been ridiculed for accepting Colton’s story so uncritically, and rightly so but for the wrong reasons. They are sure it must be fraud. Well, it COULD be, but there is no reason to assume that it is. On the surface it sounds more like other experiences along the same lines that have the marks of demonic manipulation. And there are the usual “test” elements, his meeting people he knew nothing about otherwise.
There is nothing beyond the powers of demons to convey such knowledge to a little boy, and nothing beyond their motives to deceive either. They can easily impersonate people. That’s how the spirits of “dead people” appear in “haunted houses.” They are demonic impersonations of the people who once lived there (people who were most likely actually possessed by the demons who now impersonate them). In Colton’s case they also included in their deception false images of “God” — visualized as so “big” he can hold the Earth in his hands, and of “Jesus” “whose smile lights up the heavens” and has “sea blue” eyes. What disgusting poppycock, but CHRISTIANS believe this pap? Colton himself doesn’t even seem to believe it as he just rattles off the empty phrases by rote. Perhaps he actually experienced them and is simply tired of repeating it — or maybe as some suggest it’s a sign that it was made up and imposed on him. I don’t know. His father is supposedly a pastor. A deceived pastor obviously. But whatever the source, the images of God and Jesus are ridiculously phony.
It’s similar to what psychics practice
This is typical of the work of psychics too. Again, much of that may also be fraudulent but to the extent that there is reality to some of it the source of that reality is demonic activity. That is, psychics really can have knowledge of things that their clients know nothing about, OR can know things that ONLY the client knows, because demons convey the knowledge to them. I’ve wondered if sometimes there may also be a merely human psychic power that for some reason is developed in certain individuals and not others, but I think the most common cause is demonic intervention. This seems to have been the case with the “witch of Endor” who had a familiar spirit (a demon) who supplied the knowledge or perhaps even faked the appearance of a dead person to deceive her clients, just as all mediums have, but in the case of King Saul was pre-empted by the appearance of the REAL prophet Samuel, to her amazement and fear.
Some think a child is too innocent to be deceived by demons but this is a big mistake. Children are members of the fallen human race, after all, and may also inherit a special vulnerability to demonic activity through their fallen ancestors as well. They are in fact the perfect set-up for demonic deception because people do sentimentalize them as innocent. Satan and his demons have no scruples. They are out to deceive and kill and they have no tender feelings for humanity. There are many stories out there of people who had frightening experiences as children, of demonic beings that would visit them at night, shake their beds and do other frightening things. Demons do not leave children alone.
Sometimes special talents are imparted, even to children
There is another story about a four-year-old’s visit to heaven, the story of Akiane Kramarik now a teenager, whose unusual talents as a painter and a poet she ascribes to that visit. Her experience and amazing talents convinced her own atheistic family of the reality of “God” and she has dedicated herself to bringing her message of “God” to the world.
Can demons impart such talents? Well, Akiane says she sometimes simply receives her poetry fully written as it were. This is the same way the channelers of the religious doctrines, A Course in Miracles, the Seth Books, Urantia, and the teachings of Rael, also received their messages. As for the painting, I once talked to a woman deeply involved in Hindu / New Age practices who was also an artist and created similarly impressive realistic images, in her case sculptures, a talent she also attributed to “God.”
But the main problem with Akiane’s art is that her message is New Age although people mistake it for Christian because it includes images of “Jesus.” This is a romanticized “Jesus,” just as Colton’s “Jesus” is, a Jesus without the cross, a Jesus who didn’t die for sin but just mushily “loves” everyone. She even believes and promotes the New Age lie about Jesus’ supposed “lost years” in which they claim he went to India and was taught Hinduism. The truth is that Jesus grew up as a Jew, studying Torah in the Temple, learning carpentry from His earthly adoptive father Joseph. It is ridiculous to put Him in India instead, but that’s what the demons who inspire New Age phony religion have done. ANYTHING TO DECEIVE, even deceive the very elect who aren’t paying attention or who aren’t well taught by their pastors.
Take it to the Bible with prayer
A place to start to recognize such deception may be the few Biblical reports of experiences of heaven and supernatural realities. Start with Paul’s experience of visiting the “third heaven.” He said it was unlawful to describe it — there is a reverence for holy things in that attitude we simply do not find in any of the recent claims to have seen heaven. Then there is John who was taken up to the throne room of God, as he reports in Revelation chapter 4. He also saw the Lord Jesus in chapter 1, who gave him the messages to the seven churches before he was called up to heaven. Even encounters with true angels of God inspire awe and the impulse to worship from mere mortals because of their dazzling beauty and power, as both John and the prophets of the Old Testament attest. Encounters with the true God inspire even deeper awe, and a profound sense of personal sin and fear of judgment. Take a look at Isaiah, Daniel, Ezekiel and more. There is NOTHING of this sort of feeling in the recent spate of out-of-body experiences. Instead we get the most casual of descriptions and a sort of breathless excitement over their mere supernatural unusualness. Or we get the nonsense of Shirley MacLaine who was taught through her encounters with otherworldly beings that SHE is “god.” Oh brother. NonChristians who reject the Bible may fall for this demonic deception, but Christians should not. And yet some do.
Feb 01, 2011 @ 20:10:39
There are just to many versions of heaven for it to be true.
Only one man in the New Testament went to heaven and he said he heard things he can’t talk about.
It so happens we all dream and some are so weird you wonder where they come from.(I suppose Tod Bentley will interpret it for you)
I am sure some of these heaven things are nothing but a bad or good dream.
Before you tell someone about your dream please make sure it lines up with Scripture.
Feb 03, 2011 @ 16:03:59
Harry, I agree with you, brother!
Feb 02, 2011 @ 01:40:07
Thanks for posting this! I have been repeatedly warning my friends about these types of experiences. So many Christians are being deceived by seducing spirits, chiefly because they seek after and desire experiences and feelings, rather than Jesus: the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Jeremiah describes this mindset in vivid imagery:
Jeremiah 2:23-25 (New International Version, ©2010)
23 “How can you say, ‘I am not defiled;
I have not run after the Baals’?
See how you behaved in the valley;
consider what you have done.
You are a swift she-camel
running here and there,
24 a wild donkey accustomed to the desert,
sniffing the wind in her craving—
in her heat who can restrain her?
Any males that pursue her need not tire themselves;
at mating time they will find her.
25 Do not run until your feet are bare
and your throat is dry.
But you said, ‘It’s no use!
I love foreign gods,
and I must go after them.’
I have seen people lusting after various “anointings” and experiences. There is no other terminology that describes their mindset as appropriately as “lust” does – and more specifically the mindless lust of an animal in heat. The sight was sickening, and I was grieved in my spirit. It saddens me to see so many deceived. The scriptures are clear: those who desire an experience, will get one. It just won’t be the true God giving it to them.
We need more watchmen on the wall who will not derelict their duty to warn their brothers of the enemy’s attacks – both the impending ones, and the potential ones, as well. We absolutely need the Holy Spirit functioning in our lives, including the manifestation of discerning of spirits. But a spirit that does not agree with scripture is not holy, in any sense of the word. Our theology must not rest upon our experience, but on the scriptures. They are the standard by which the spirits are tried. Our pastors need to be teaching the Word of God to their flocks, and not just milk – they need meat. God’s people need to develop discernment as individuals, as well as collectively. How else are we to stand against the wiles of our enemy?
Feb 03, 2011 @ 16:02:46
trustingmyGod, thanks for the exhortation. It is good to get a positive comment on these kinds of things every now and then. You would not believe all the people who still want to cling to these “lusts” even after seeing the truth. I no longer put their comments up. It is like casting pearl among swine anymore trying to convince these apostate lovers of anything. You be blessed and always contend for the truth!
May 30, 2011 @ 23:19:01
My concern is when authentic Bible scripture is replaced and substituted for experiences, dreams and visions. We have already been warned that satan will appear as an Angel of Light. According to 2nd Cor.11:4 Don’t even believe an angel if it comes to you with another Gospel. Many cults started with a message from a counterfeit Angel of Light who came with another Gospel!
Jun 13, 2011 @ 20:08:58
Susy, amen sister!
Nov 10, 2011 @ 00:03:39
The “counterfeit heaven stories”: article above is sound doctrine, I believe. I don’t necessarily see that people who grasp at “heaven experiences” are demon oppressed. I think that Christians today are so homesick for heaven and home that we’re vulnerable to the spirit world. Only by staying in God’s Word, praying, and testing the spirits according to the Bible, will we be able to discern good and bad spirits, and in these last days, the Bible says that there are many evil spirits trying to decieve “the very elect.” I remember reading about D.L. Moody’s experience just before he died and how he saw his grandchild or children (can’t remember exactly) “over there.” Read the last pages of his biography. I won’t say that Moody was being seduced by demons then any more than I would say Paul (taken up into the 3rd heaven) or Elijah’s end life experiences were demonic. Kay Harrington, Massachusetts