May 16, 2013
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Anti-christ, Apostacy, The Great Falling Away, Emergent Church, False "Gospels", False Teachers, Heresies, Homosexuality, Learning to Discern, Warnings to the Church, Wolves in Sheep Clothing Anti-christ, Apostacy/The Great Falling Away, Discernment, False Teachers, Homosexuality, Warnings to the Church 4 Comments
This is what happens when pastors and preachers all through America could not discern Rob Bell in the first place. When you can not discern something from the beginning, you end up having to deal with a greater delusion later on.
Would not surprise me one bit, if Rob Bell himself comes out at some point and says he is a homosexual. Does that make me judging? I’ve done said, I have known/know lots of homosexuals through my lifetime and loved each and everyone of them. But I dare not help them stay in the kingdom of darkness, by affirming them in their behavior.
Justin Hoke: Rob Bell in a clear demonstration of loving the world, affirms homosexuality. God can and does save homosexuals, but not apart from repentance. You cannot be homosexual and a Christian at the same time. Some Christians may struggle with homosexual sinful desires, but Bell is not saying any of this, rather he is boldly calling good what God has called sin.
“I believe God [is] pulling us ahead into greater and greater affirmation and acceptance of our gay brothers and sisters and pastors and friends and neighbors and coworkers,” former megachurch pastor and best-selling author Rob Bell explained just days after surprising the evangelical Christian community with his expressed support for same-sex marriage.
I have said this many times and will say it again: Not everyone is our sister and brother. What part of “you must be born – again” is it that these apostates do not get? http://redeemedhippiesplace.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/who-are-the-children-of-god/
The former Mars Hill Bible Church founder and controversial Love Wins author told Odyssey Networks in an interview published Wednesday that many people are “realizing that God makes some of us one way and some of us another, and it can be a beautiful thing.”
If Rob Bell is referring to homosexuality here, and I believe he is, then he building an image of God that is not true. It is a lying anti-christ spirit. To call beautiful what God has called sin, is a lie from hell.
The video interview, titled “Why Rob Bell Supports Gay Marriage,” comes just days after the Michigan church founder visited San Francisco’s Grace Cathedral (the Episcopal Cathedral of the Diocese of California) in a promotional book tour to discuss his purpose for writing What We Talk About When We Talk About God, his views on evangelical Christianity and future projects he has lined up.
During that event, Bell was asked about his stance on same-sex marriage and he explained that he was “for marriage.”
“I am for fidelity. I am for love, whether it’s a man and a woman, a woman and a woman, a man and a man. I think the ship has sailed and I think that the church needs to just … this is the world that we are living in and we need to affirm people wherever they are,” he responded.
Really? Would that I am for love thingy include being able to marry your dog, goat or pig?
What Rob Bell really wanted to say was, “I think the ship has sailed and I think that the church needs to just get on board.” Do we affirm others as well?
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. — 1 Corinthians 6:9 – 11 –
Some observers expressed disappointment with Bell’s unorthodox view and found his remarks surprising, although the popular Christian author has expressed similar views in the past, previously calling gays and lesbians who identify as Christians “passionate disciples of Jesus.”
Brad Williams, an Alabama-based Baptist pastor, denounced Bell’s comments, calling it “disconcerting for a Christian leader to say that the church should simply get in line with whatever the culture says.”
“… one thing the Christian cannot do is ask Scripture to take a back seat to cultural whims. That is what Bell is asking of us,” Williams wrote for Patheos.
“The universal church simply cannot follow Bell where he is going. The church has to be clear, and her leaders ought to be clear about the Bible’s teachings.”
Amid the criticism Bell has received, Brian McLaren, a friend of Bell’s and a well-known pastor specializing in post-evangelical thought who is also gay-affirming, has commended him for his “courageous” remarks.
“I think this is further evidence that we are reaching a tipping point in our culture where marriage equality will be seen in much of the way as the struggle for women’s equality and for civil rights now are seen as we look back in our history,” McLaren, who has been identified as part of the controversial emergent church, said in a video interview also with Odyssey Networks. “It takes courage to make these kinds of statements when you’re an author and speaker as Rob and I are, but it’s especially painful for pastors and priests to work this out in the midst of pastoral ministry.”
Liar. No, it does not take courage. All one needs is compromise. It takes courage to stand for the truth.
In his new book, What We Talk About When We Talk About God, Bell shares his take on how some theological ideas present in mainstream Christianity are outdated and irrelevant to the changing times – and that God is in many ways steps ahead of these old ideas and is pulling people forward.
Out right apostacy! The Word of God says: Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, … — Hebrews 13:8,9 –
Who is Rob Bell to change the word of God?
“A lot of people when they say, ‘By God ahead do you mean by same-sex marriage?’ – Yes,” Bell said in his March 20 interview.
“We live in a world where we have friends, neighbors, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, people we journey with for years who are gay. And we need to love, affirm and all of us together work on the real problems that we have in the world. And I think that’s one of the things you’re seeing now, is you’re seeing God pull us all forward into a greater realization that we need more love, we need more fidelity, we need more monogamy, we need more people who are committed to each other.”
But no! We need more people who are committed to God, more committed to the truth!
“So this is a huge moment when I think lots of us are realizing that the old way of seeing things doesn’t work,” he added. “It causes so much pain and heartache and God’s inviting us to see things in new ways and we need to say ‘yes’ and then we need to step into the future together.”
Rob Bell and those who follow him, are of an anti-christ spirit. He is leading countless thousands right into the bowels of hell.
Bell also shared that he believes technology has played a major part in the shifting of many long-held views, saying that the Internet in particular has shown that people cannot live in their own “tribal bubbles” or “cocooned off” from the real world.
He added, “What happens when you are all suddenly exposed to thousands of different viewpoints is it can call your own into question and it can have this refining fire dimension to it when you realize that ‘wow, I’ve been living with a bunch of views and perspectives that don’t actually work and don’t actually bring life. So I need to be honest about that.’ And that can be painful, but it’s also liberating and that’s where the life is.”
What he is saying, is, it is ok to compromise the truth for the sake of getting something to work.
Bell, who left the Michigan congregation he founded in 1999 to move to California last year, is currently on a promotional tour for What We Talk About When We Talk About God. The former pastor, whose best-selling Love Wins book challenged traditional teachings on a literal, eternal hell and belief in Jesus Christ as a prerequisite for heaven, has also shared that he is developing a faith-inspired television show with “Lost” series creator Carlton Cuse.
And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. — Matthew 24: 4,5 –
April 17, 2013
An article from a few years back, but one worth bringing to the forefront once again. Emphasis are mine.
Paul and Drew have both graciously shared a part of their spiritual journey with us. For myself, the area of the fringe that I became most involved with was spiritual warfare. For a season in my ministry I became deeply immersed in this teaching. I declared things in the heavenlies, attempted to discern the demons over my city, drove around my city claiming it for Jesus, anointed the chairs in our sanctuary on a regular basis, and bound Satan daily. I would be lying if I said that there wasn’t a part of me that really got in to this whole experience. I felt very important and very powerful. Even today, when discussing some of the things that I used to do, I have a strong feeling of power rise up in my body. It was very exciting. Until one day a very simple question refused to let go of me. “When did anyone in the Bible do this?”
That was the question that started me on an investigation of this teaching. Today I am confident that not only is this teaching not Biblical, it is actually occultic in nature. I don’t make that statement lightly. I have studied and written on the subjects of the New Age, Wicca and even tribal religion. The modern teaching on spiritual warfare has more in common with these practices than anything that can be found in the pages of the New Testament (that book that is supposed to teach us, among other things, how the church is to operate).
I should hasten to say that this is not an exclusively Charismatic issue. Evangelical writers like Neal Anderson and Mark Bubeck (incidentally one of the nicest guys you could ever hope to talk to) have done much damage to the body of Christ in this area. Bubeck’s books even include prayers for the Holy Spirit to search your blood stream, gastro-intestinal organs and other body systems for demons. (i.e. the demon of cholitis and I am not joking.)
Space will only allow for a small number of examples but perhaps these will cause readers to dig even further to determine if these teachings are truly from the Lord.
1. Manipulation of spiritual forces: One of the underlying assumptions of the occultic worldview is that all of life is connected by a spiritual force. The practice of magick is based on attempts to manipulate this force in order for the practitioner to create their own reality. Modern Word Faith teachers and spiritual warfare teachers unknowlingly have bought into the same mindset. For Word Faith teachers the monistic force is faith itself. Kenneth Copeland has frequently stated that faith is a force that even God uses to accomplish His purposes. David Yonggi Cho has stated that this force can even be used by non-believers which is why Buddhist monks sometimes get results. Many of the modern prophets have stated the same thing about the New Age. For many in the spiritual warfare community the force is more personal in the form of angels, demons and the Holy Spirit. While this may seem more biblical the fact remains that much of their efforts are aimed at manipulating these beings to their own ends.
It is out of this foundational belief that many other ancillary beliefs and practices arise. For instance words are seen as extremely powerful. Once again, in Word Faith circles, words are the containers of the force. What I confess I possess. If I say that I am going bald I will get more baldness. But if I confess that I have a full head of hair then that is what I will receive. This is what leads teachers like Marylin Hickey to teach us to, “Say to your wallet. Why you big fat wallet. You’re so full of money.” Of course, apparently it doesn’t work for her because she has to keep asking for donations. Similarly prophetic teachers like Victoria Boyson and Mike Bickle teach that when we criticize someone we are releasing and activating Satanic activity upon them and if we bless them we are releasing Holy Spirit activity.
This authority that is supposedly in words then leads to the increasingly popular binding and loosing and warfare in the heavenlies teachings. In this practice Satan and his forces are actually addressed and commanded in prayer. Their “strongholds” over cities are pulled down. Their strategies are foiled. They must leave the region. Authority is claimed by the Church and the Spirit is loosed.
Now, I hate to spoil the party. But is this really what Jesus was teaching in Matt. 16 when He said that whatever you bind on earth is bound in heaven? The answer is a decided “no”. Before discussing what binding and loosing really means, the evidence that modern spiritual warfare teachers cannot be correct in what they are teaching is easy to detect from the New Testament. The fact is simply this, NOWHERE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT IS SATAN EVER ADDRESSED IN PRAYER. Prayer is made to God. We do not have one single example of anyone in the New Testament ever engaging in this type of prayer. The only time that Satan or a demon is ever addressed by a believer is when they are being cast out of an individual. The historical fact is that binding and loosing were rabbinical terms that the apostles would have been familiar with that had to do with forbidding and permitting certain practices and which speaks to the apostle’s authority in laying the foundation for the practices of the church.
Christians are spending too much time shouting at the devil. And can someone please tell me, “What is the statute of limitations on binding the devil?” He seems to continually get loose! How long does it take to bind a demon and clear the heavenlies? This stuff has been going on over KC for over twenty years and yet 2005 was one of the worst years in our history for murder.
2. Ritual Magick. In the occult worldview, rituals can be performed in the physical that have ramifications in the spiritual. So a pin stuck in a voodoo doll can cause spiritual forces to work against an individual that can result in bodily injury. One of the most disturbing segments of the film, “Jesus Camp” was to see a teacher hand a hammer to children and tell them to go to the front and smash cups labelled “abortion”, “homosexuality” etc. etc. and by commanding the heavenlies and smashing the cups things would be broken in the spirit realm. Much of the same thing can be seen in many of the practices of anointing. Rebecca Brown teaches people to anoint the doors and windows of their homes so that demons don’t have any points of access to their homes.
3. Power Centers. In the occultic mindset, certain grounds are sacred. They may be possessed by either good or evil spirits. Some of these power centers may be taboo to all but the most highly initiated or they may be places to gather for worship because the power is strong. We have seen over the last two decades a number of these power centers emerge and diminish, Toronto, Pensacola, Smithton, etc. etc. Additionally, the modern teaching of spiritual portals by prophets like John Paul Jackson, Kathie Walters, Paul Keith Davis and many more has more in common with the occult than the bible despite the way they butcher the story of Jacob’s Ladder to try and make it fit.
4. The Devil Made Me Do It. The occultic world is all about spirits. Animism is all about spirits. Spirits are responsible for everything. Spirits must be placated. While it is certainly true that the Western mind tends to ignore the spiritual dimension and tends almost toward Deism, the modern spiritual warfare teachings are certainly an over-correction. If it rains on a church picnic it is the devil’s fault. Every sin is evidence of a “stronghold” that must be pulled down. The problem is that this silver bullet approach to holiness keeps the individual from dealing with what is often the true source of the problem, a carnal, rebellious heart.
5. Shamanism. In the occult the shaman is the expert in the things of the spirit. He has visions of the spirit world and brings back information to the followers. Many of today’s so-called prophets are nothing more than shamen. People flock to them to hear of their visits to the otherworld and to act on the information that they bring back. This has opened a literal pandora’s box of new practices. What is particularly disturbing in the spiritual warfare scenario is that many of these practices were supposedly learned by interviewing demons!!!! Bubeck says that when we interview a demon we should ask, “Will this information stand as truth before the throne of God?” For some reason Bubeck believes that a demon can’t lie if you ask him in that way. But why would we ever seek to learn about the things of the Spirit from a liar and the father of lies?
Remember the question that I said started it all for me. “When did anyone in the Bible ever do this?” It’s a good question. It’s worth pondering the next time you are thinking about jumping into a new thing.
Redeemed Hippie: Especially interesting was number 5 on Shamanism. We have this today with the likes of Bob Jones, Tod Bentley, Patricia King and a host of others who are more than glad to share their experiences of what they are allowed to see in the so-called spirit realm and bring it back to anyone who will listen. Sadly, many do listen and in doing so are being caught up in an occult revival of lies, delusions and manipulations.
April 4, 2013
Apostacy, The Great Falling Away, Brandon Barthrop, Demon Possession, False "Gospels", False Jesus, False Teachers, Learning to Discern, Warnings to the Church, Witchcraft in the Church Apostacy/The Great Falling Away, False Jesus, False Teachers, Warnings to the Church, Witchcraft in the Church 4 Comments
One more and I am done with this guy. One more for those who did not test anything a few years back. One more for those who made excuses. One more for those who have mocked those who have tried to warn the sheep of the apostacy. One more for those who have created a new religion making Jesus look like a laughing drunken idiot through their blashphmeous teachings. Kenneth Hagin gave root to that one.
You can not do it anymore. You are faced with this now. It — is — your — baby. Own it.
As for the godly, those who refuse to bow to the vulgar and lying gospels that are being birthed by the whore, if any of you have children involved in any kind of youth group, you better make sure who and what they are following. “Oh but my child does not follow this,” some of you may say. You may be right. But are you sure? Can you be certain that not even the smallest bit of deception has entered in? Parents, it is up to YOU to teach your children. If you do not, Satan will gladly take them over.
I will not even try to transcribe his filth. To even give this attention, sickens me. But I will only for the sake of maybe some can be warned not to allow themselves to come under this at some time. As for others, may you repent and come out from under it.
What part of God being a HOLY God do people not get? Is anyone so blinded they really think God in heaven is winking at this? The God I serve does not. But the god Brandon serves does.
Repent, Brandon. Turn from this folly and wickedness and be washed in the blood of the Lamb who was slain for both you and me.
BB cuts lose with foul words saying, ”If you have a dirty mind, you can’t say it, but if you have a holy mind you can use it…”
Really? What does the Word of God say?
Therefore be imitators of God as dear children. And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.
But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them. — Ephesians 5:1-7 –
Once again, you can find the video by doing a search on Brandon Barthrop Formerly Known as Cuss Words
I can not even post the rest of his description.
But be warned
April 4, 2013
Apostacy, The Great Falling Away, Brandon Barthrop, Demon Possession, False "Gospels", Learning to Discern, Stupid Spirit in the Church, Warnings to the Church, Wolves in Sheep Clothing Apostacy/The Great Falling Away, Discernment, False Teachers, Warnings to the Church, Witchcraft in the Church 6 Comments
A few years ago when I first began this blog, my intent was to expose the apostacy within the Church. I have done that. I have put up hundreds of articles. The past few months have brought many changes in my heart. I hear the words of my Father telling me to get my eyes off the garbage both within and outside the church and fix them on Him. He is coming back. Whether He comes back in my lifetime or not, is not the point. The point is, He desires to see souls come to Him, desiring to set people free.
I am called to proclaim the Good News. No longer do I have to shout from the housetops railing against the darkness, as I have done, in my way, in my flesh. This world and the lying abomnible things of this world will pass away, but Jesus — the Truth — abides forever.
Truly darkness has covered the land. Great deceptions in our midst from every arena. From governments, politics, politicians, news media, entertainment industry, and even within what is called The Church. I believe the true Church — the Bride of Christ – must reach a point where we begin to take our eyes off the things of this world and fix them in heavenly places. It has been a very hard thing for me to do the past few years. The filth, the rot, the putrid decay of deception trying to erode away truth, mocking all that is good and esteeming that which is wicked, almost drove me insane. One would think I had never read the Word of God in my life by my total shock and surprise of the evil. After all Jesus warned us what it would look like. But I was shocked. I did not know it was going to so dark, so black, so evil, so wicked, so OCCULTIC.
This morning as I was going through this blog trying to decide what to get rid of or not, (I have way too many catagories, I think) I ran across the catagory of Brandon Barthrop. Some of you may be aquainted with him from a few years back. He and his followers were known for “toking the ghost”, “getting drunk in the spirit” etc. I had prayed for this young man over the years as I am sure many others have. I went to see what is new with him, if perhaps he has begun to walk in a resemblance of truth.
To my horror he has not. He has gotten worse. You can see the devils in his eyes. He has gone from being what some would have called a mere little goofball, to complete debauchery. I will not put his video up. It is much too vile. Yet, this is being esteemed as a “God thing” among those within the so – called church.
He happens to quote – surprise, surprise — Rick Jonyner’s book The Quest. You know the one. The one where RJ taught there was going to be a war in the Church in the years to come against the grays and the blues. The grays being those of us who dared to question their movement, their Jesus they were setting up for us all to worship — like it or not. Here is an excerpt from one who came out of RJ’s teachings:
The grays were spoken of with disdain and derision. Gray represented the brain and those who lived in their minds without regard to the higher life of the spirit. The grays were the legalists, the old wineskins, those seeking to trap and keep God in a box. They were painted as the staunch, stuffed and sterile church that had long since faded into antiquity and outlived their usefulness. It seems to me, looking back, that anyone that opposed Joyner and his teachings was considered a gray and not open to the “moving of the spirit.” The grays, Joyner was quick to tell us would be overcome and destroyed in the fight for the “true” church to evolve to the next level. Of course, in his estimation, the grays would not go quietly into that good night so it might be necessary for us to assist God in finishing up the job. Let me put that in plain English. We would help God kill them. Looking back, it should have been all too clear to me but it wasn’t.
I tried to tell a few people in my personal life about Brandon Barthrop a few years back. They acted as if I should not be judging his behavior, after all, he was able to say the word Jesus out of his mouth. As if that in and of itself is enough proof in one has truly been born – again!
This is pulled off Barthrop’s facebook page and this is mild compared to some other stuff:
“The f…ing b..ch ass mother….ing generals of Joel’s mother….ing army are positioned all over the f…ing world. Right on time b…es. F… yea! Truth any mother….ing how.”
If you are interested in seeing what following one delusion after another looks like, you can do a search for his youtube video with the words Brandon Barthrop Cleansing the Temple of God – Judgment in the Church.
But do not say I did not warn you.
To anyone who might be passing through to get a peek at what I’m about these days, and if you are one who is following signs and wonders AFTER WE WERE WARNED NOT TO, if you are one of the ones who have thought me judging, as you have sat and judged nothing except for those of us who are being Bereans, if you are one of the ones who think just because someone can say Jesus out of their mouth then all must be well and good with that person, I CHALLENGE YOU TO GO ON AND GET A GOOD LOOK AT WHAT YOU DEFENDED a few years back. May — you — choke – on — it! The seasoned Christian within the church has allowed these things to happen by putting their seal of approval on it when they dared not question it, for refusing to test all things, for refusing to discern while in search of the latest thing, when they refused to look at it and see it for what it was in the beginning, for not speaking out and warning the younger generation!
April 3, 2013
Apostacy, The Great Falling Away, Bethel, Bob Jones, Demon Possession, False "Gospels", False Churches, False Prophets, False Revival, False Signs and Wonders, False Teachers, Health/Wealth "Gospel", Learning to Discern Discernment, False Prophets, False Revivals, False Signs and Wonders, False Teachers 2 Comments
bzel333: The Jesus Culture Conferences are teaching biblical error. Some biblical errors are more obvious than others. One error that can be hard to detect is the “different gospel” that is taught and preached consistently throughout Jesus Culture’s teachings. It is “Word of faith” and signs and wonders and not at all Christ centered and cross focused. If you are planning to attend a Jesus Culture Conference, I would strongly reconsider attending.
January 1, 2013
Just one more reason I do not go to church. Somehow everyone doing a cheap imitation of the Hokey Pokey is suppose to be a good thing? Sorry. I don’t accept this as worship. Which goes along with a dream I had last night. I dreamt I was in church with a lot of other people. Coming from the pulpit was one big BORING and stupid performance. No God, no Word, no Bible. No prayer. Just one big I wanna be a star show. It was so awful I felt like I would throw up. I stood up and said something along these lines: “This is the biggest bunch of horse malarky I have ever heard. This is deadness.”
The guy behind the pulpit said, “Well, you try putting together a video.”
I said along these lines: “God is nowhere in this. The Bible says the true worshippers would worship Him in Spirit and Truth. He is not here.”
With that I began to walk out as countless others began to walk out. End of dream.
I found the following video through a Christian network I subscribed to. Found it last night, which probably explains the dream I had being more impacted by my sub-conscious than a God thing.
I do not call this worship. I dare call it a form of idolatry. I dare say, Jesus is NOT being exalted, there is no truth to break yokes, as there is no real annointing. Just theatrics and manipulation of a bunch of little sheeple who do what they are told. Which is shake your hands and somehow wave away the yokes. Hogwash.
These young folk are being taught to sing and prophesy things to come to pass. Where is prayer? Prayer takes time and effort, it takes a willing and at times a broken heart. There is a price to pay for prayer. Not so for a cheap imitation of deliverance and freedom.
Actually, it is a form of worship. Worship of music. If you want to call it that. Music, that is.
Pretty sad when the world has much better music than the church. Anyone with any musical understanding at all, knows where I am coming from.
Another video I could not stomach to watch the entire contents.
December 23, 2012
Apostacy, The Great Falling Away, Chuck Pierce, False Prophets, False Revival, Hypnosis, Paganism, Sheeple Mind Control, Stupid Spirit in the Church, Warnings to the Church, Witchcraft in the Church Apostacy/The Great Falling Away, Heresies, New Age, Witchcraft in the Church 5 Comments
It’s not my agenda to insult pagans with the following video. But, let’s keep it real. I am insulted that the church would use pagan tactics to manipulate and spread deception.
As much as I do not go along with Pagan beliefs, even pagans do not go this far with their rituals.
Sadly, this goes on in a lot of churches today. People want to call it worship. I call it theatrics. Christians will sit passively, soak up words, allowing themselves to be hypnotised, thinking this is the Word of God. If you are into this kind of thing, I challenge you, to sit back and take a good look at this and tell me WHY you believe it is of God. I believe it is a bunch of horse manure. We both can not be right now, can we?
Do not waste time telling me I am blasphmeming the Holy Spirit. If anyone is blasphmeming it is those who say they speak for God while being Satan’s ministers who come as an angel of light. Chuck Pierce is just one of many. Deceivers, witches and warlocks in disguise.
December 20, 2012
Apostacy, The Great Falling Away, Choo Thomas, False "Gospels", False Heaven Reports, False Jesus, False Signs and Wonders, False Teachers, Heresies, Learning to Discern, New Age, New Age Jesus, Stupid Spirit in the Church Apostacy/The Great Falling Away, Discernment, False Signs and Wonders, False Teachers, Heresies, Witchcraft in the Church 3 Comments
Dale Schauer has written another article in response to Choo Thomas. Once again, please do not leave me comments in trying to uphold her. Brother Dale has done an exhaustive work in explaining the truth and I refuse to keep going around the same old mountain. Many people have been able to see the truth and have ran from her heresy. As for those who still want to cling to her delusions as THE truth, you are free to leave this place and believe what you will. But know this: you have been told the truth.
Let’s review some grounded facts. First, the Lord God of Israel is sovereign and supreme over all. He can take the bad and can take unclean vessels and turn it around and use it for good (Romans 8:28). Second, His written Word the Bible is infallible and is to be our only true guide on how to live our lives. Third, we are living in the very last days where it is prophesied in the Bible that many false prophets will arise who will deceive even the most discerning if the days are not shortened. Fourth, Born Again Christians are to test everything and hold onto only those things that are totally true and good. With those four facts to stand on, we can now move on.
I received a comment from someone who supports the book ‘Heaven Is So Real’ by Choo Thomas. They stated that they were brought closer to God and repented of their sins after reading the book. I would now like to state some further facts. First, Choo claims that it is Jesus’ end time book and that it is a book of truth. Second, Choo’s book is filled from one end to the other with deception that is in direct opposition to what the Bible teaches (see PDF at at http://annointing.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/concerns-about-heaven-is-so-real.pdf
). Third, my Christian walk has been inspired by many secular books and movies. They have a way of pricking my conscience that the Holy Spirit then takes and uses it for good in my life. What makes these sources different is that they do not claim truth like Choo does for her book.
Now to get down to the bare bones of how we should treat Choo’s book as Christians. Because Choo’s book claims to be fact and in reality it is filled with deception, we are to stay clear of it and point out its deception to other believers. To promote it is sin.
Do you realize that God can use anyone for His glory? Remember Balaam? God used Balaam, a pagan prophet who was hired by Balak, to share with Balak the blessings that He intended for Israel. Balaam had just seen God speak through his donkey. After hearing the donkey speak, God opened Balaam’s eyes (Numbers 22:31) and effectively made Balaam understand that God and God alone would give him the words to speak to Balak. There were 7 prophecies Balaam gave to Balak in Numbers 23-24. Remember that Balak had offered to pay Balaam to contact the gods and curse Israel. After all, that was what Balaam was known for in all the land. However, Balaam did nothing of the sort this time as he allowed God to speak through him 7 different times, all of which were blessings rather than curses on the nation of Israel. After Balak realized he wasn’t getting what he wanted he sent Balaam on his way without paying him (Numbers 24:11). Later Balaam caused the Israelites to sin through his counsel (Numbers 31:16). These exploits later cost him his life (Joshua 13:22). We are warned three times throughout the New Testament to stay away from the errors of Balaam.
Judas Iscariot was a New Testament Balaam. There are many preachers in Hell right now who have led many souls to Christ during their time on earth. Paul warns, “But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified. (I Corinthians 9:27)”
Choo Thomas has gone the way of Balaam. She has placed a stumbling block before the children of God (Revelation 2:14). The book she wrote, “Heaven Is So Real’ clearly was not given to her by The Lord Jesus Christ. 100% proof of this is that it does not line up with the Word of God (see the PDF). As to being brought closer to God, and repenting of one’s sins after reading the book, as one commenter to my post wrote me, is just simply testimony that God can turn Satan’s devices around and use it for His glory. Remember, it all boils down to Jesus, and not to Choo Thomas or her book.
Unfortunately there are many Balaams that have infiltrated Christianity in the age we are living. Do not forget that we are accountable to use discernment. All things that claim to line up with the Word of God and fall short by even 1 percent we are to turn away from. Satan misused Scripture when tempting Jesus. Even though Satan quoted the Scripture correctly, he was rebuked because he twisted it. The commenter needs to give glory to Jesus and not support the book in any way. It does not get any clearer than 1 Thessalonians 5:21 that says, “Test all things; hold fast what is good.”
Numerous testimonies abound from Christians who suffered depression and confusion after reading ‘Heaven is so Real’. James 3:17 clearly states, “But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.”
To those who may have been touched by Choo’s book, a message of warning: let’s never get caught up in the worldly concept ‘The End Justifies The Means’ as far as it pertains to human efforts. Our job as Christians is to seek for Holy Spirit discernment on how to witness to people. Jude verses 22-23 says, “And on some have compassion, making a distinction; but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh.”
November 30, 2012
If you can watch this all the way through, then you must have more tolerance than I. I just could not. So why bring it to you? Because there are still those out there who can not see the apostacy. They have gone into the house of God and made it a place of entertainment. A place to tickle the ears. A place to be a star for an hour or so. Ask yourself: would Jesus and His disciples do this? Can you really see them doing such things? I don’t confess to being the brightest among God’s children, but one thing I do know, is this: I know apostacy when I see it and this is part of it. If I ever step into a church building and this is what they have going. I am sooooo out of there.
Just another reason I do not get up and go anywhere on Sunday mornings. This goes on in one way or the other all across the churches in America. And I will have no part of it.
October 31, 2012
Everybody wants to be a star one way or the other.
Do I really need to explain why this is just wrong?
October 21, 2012
Answering the Objections of Modern Apostles, Prophets, and Their Defenders – by Keith Gibson
In dealing with the new “apostles” and “prophets” as well as with their followers, one quickly encounters a problem. They do not wish to listen. In fact, the “prophetic movement” has developed an entire series of pat answers and knee-jerk reactions to those raising concerns about their teachings that makes any substantive dialogue on the actual issues themselves virtually impossible. Not only have modern prophets filled the church with extra-biblical and unbiblical revelations and doctrines, leading many away from the pure faith, but they have also insulated themselves from any correction by the larger body of Christ. These straw-men arguments and red herrings… must be refuted before any significant progress can be made on the larger issues.
The Martyrdom Complex
Martyrdom is a powerful symbol in religion. The person claiming martyr status becomes untouchable, unquestionable. Further, it immediately positions the one doing the challenging as evil, a Nazi, or worse… I have noticed a similar trend among many within the prophetic movement… To confront them is to persecute them.
Prophetess Victoria Boyson does this repeatedly. In two different prophetic messages (“The Religious Spirit that Seeks to Convince Us It Is God” and “Warriors of Truth”) she claims that those who “speak against” other Christians release demonic activity against their lives.
Or consider the words of Rick Joyner:
Two ministries go on continually before God’s throne: One is the ministry of intercession, the other is accusation… Satan…is called “the accuser of the brethren,” and we are told that his ministry goes on “day and night” before the throne of God (Rv. 12:10). How can Satan continue to accuse the saints before God if he has been thrown out of heaven and no longer has access to the throne? The answer: Satan uses the saints, who do have access to the throne, to do this diabolical work for him. (A Prophetic Vision for the 21st Century, Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1999, pp.38-39)
Moving past Joyner’s interesting speculation that it is actually through the words of Christians that Satan accuses the brethren before the throne, the central point is obvious: any form of criticism is the devil’s work… Joyner deflects any and all criticism by attributing it to satanically inspired persecution. In his ["visionary"] book The Final Quest, upon seeing a vast army of Christians under the control of the devil, Joyner hears the voice of the Lord state, “This is Satan’s ultimate deception. His ultimate power of destruction is released when he uses Christians to attack one another.” [The result of all this] is that no meaningful dialogue can take place when one of the parties is playing the victim. Even in the culture at large, victims get a pass.
The New Testament, however, does not support this assumption that disagreeing with a teacher’s doctrine is tantamount to persecuting them. There are numerous examples of the apostles warning against false teachers and even at times calling them out by name in order to protect the rest of the body–and this is never equated with persecution (2 Timothy 1:15, 17-18; 4:9, 14-15; 1 Corinthians 15; 3 John 9, etc…).
Appeal to Unity
Another common tactic employed by today’s prophets and apostles is to accuse those who attempt to correct false doctrine of being divisive, of sowing discord among the brothers. In his book Overcoming Evil in the Last Days, Joyner impugns the motives of those who would dare to be concerned about false teaching creeping into the church: “Although this spirit usually comes in the guise of protecting the sheep, the truth, or the Lord’s glory, it is an evil, critical spirit that will always end up causing division and destruction.”
Unity within the body is very important. Jesus prayed that we may be one just as He and the Father are one. Paul makes a powerful appeal for unity in Ephesians 4. It is a serious issue. But biblical unity is a unity based on truth, not in opposition to it. The Bible does not advocate peace at any price…
“You’re a Pharisee!”
Joyner devotes an entire third of Overcoming Evil to the subject of the “religious spirit”:
The Lord had little trouble with demons while He walked on earth. They quickly recognized His authority and begged for mercy. It was the conservative, zealous, religious community that immediately became His greatest enemy. Those who were the most zealous for the Word of God crucified the Word Himself when He became flesh to walk among them. The same is still true [today]. (Destiny Image Publishers, 2003, pp. 133)
…Because Joyner mentions no names specifically, he can feel that he is staying above the fray and is not guilty of the very thing that he is condemning. In Joyner’s system, to stand squarely on the truth of God’s Word is to be a Pharisee and a potential enemy of God, even worse trouble than a demon…
The charge of being a Pharisee is extremely emotionally powerful–for the Pharisees stand among the worst of the bad guys in the NT. This is doubly true when it is combined with the rhetoric that it was the Pharisees who killed Christ. Mike Bickle demonstrates this attack well when he states, “It was the ones pressing into biblical orthodoxy that murdered Christ.” So, to be passionate about the truth is to be a Pharisee and a Christ-killer…
Were the Pharisees those who were biblically orthodox?… A careful study of Scripture [reveals that] the problem with the Pharisees is not that they held the Scriptures in too high esteem, but rather they were perfectly willing to cancel them out in favor of their own doctrines… (Matthew 15:1-9, John 5:45-47)… The problem was not their adherence to the Bible but rather their adherence to their own doctrines, devised by men… We see much the same thing happening in the prophetic movement. We see a host of teachers inventing new doctrines that are completely unsubstantiated by Scripture and then presenting them as fact even if they contradict the direct teachings of the Word of God… It is not those who cling to the revealed truth of God found in the Scripture who are the true spiritual descendants of the Pharisees.
Of course, another way to refuse to deal with those who raise concerns about [false] teachings is simply to ignore them. In an interview with Charisma magazine, when asked about those who have concerns about his false prophecies, doctrines, and involvement with the Knights of Malta, Rick Joyner replied, “I’m not going to listen to people I think aren’t legitimate leaders in the body of Christ.”… Joyner [and countless others] have thus positioned [themselves] above correction.
Other prophets have taught that a prophet can only be corrected by someone who also has [equal] or greater status. Since most of the teachers in the evangelical and protestant world would never claim to be prophets or apostles, this essentially means that modern prophets are completely uncorrectable by the vast majority of the church!
Demonize the Opposition
Another common strategy employed by the modern prophets to deflect scrutiny away from their unbiblical teaching is to begin to discuss some kind of demonic influence in the person raising the concern… This usually comes in the form of the “Jezebel spirit,” the “religious spirit,” and “the accuser of the brethren.” All of these entities are defined differently by the various prophets, but it is certain that they are very bad. The religious spirit is generally applied to anyone who attempts to ask questions like, “Why hasn’t the church ever believed this before?” or “Where is the doctrinal basis for these new practices?” The person is immediately painted as someone who is stuck in the “old wineskins” and is not responding to the new things that God is doing.
A religious spirit will usually give a counterfeit gift of discernment of spirits. This counterfeit gift thrives on seeing what is wrong with others rather than seeing what God is doing so that we can help them along… Though the truth may be accurate, it is ministered in a spirit that kills. (Overcoming the Religious Spirit, MorningStar Publications, 1996, Fourth Printing 2002, pp. 21-22)
…But far and away, the most common demon that one can anticipate being accused of [operating under] is the Jezebel spirit. The Jezebel spirit is generally… applied to those who will not respond to the authority of these new apostles and prophets. As one prophetic disciple expressed to me, Jezebel sought to control the king, and she attacked the prophets of God. Joyner states:
Basically, the spirit of the Jezebel is a combination of the religious spirit and the spirit of witchcraft that is the spirit of manipulation and control… This spirit attacks the prophetic ministry because that has always been the primary way in which the Lord gives timely, strategic direction to His people. (A Prophetic Vision for the 21st Century, Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1999, p. 148)
…The effect of this argument is generally exactly what the prophet desired [to instill]: a fear among God’s people to examine the “revelations” of the prophet [as] the light of God’s revealed Word, and silence when the new teachings fail to pass the test.
“Don’t Put God in a Box!”
So you think that manifestations like spiritual drunkenness, jerking, roaring, barking, and crawling around like an animal don’t seem consistent with God’s revelation of Himself and His instructions to the church given in Scripture? You are concerned that Ekstasis worship seems more like the trance states induced in pagan worship practices? Well, this is the answer for you: You’re trying to put God in a box. You are trying to dictate and limit what God can and can’t do.
The power of this argument stems from the fact that the Scriptures portray God as an awesome Being who does amazing and unexpected things, who is not formulaic in His ways. The net result of the argument, though, is an “anything goes” approach to divine activity. As long as the worshipper himself/herself feels good about what is happening, the source is assumed to be God–and no one can state differently.
But the question is not one of trying to box God in but rather one of taking God at His word. If God has said that He is not the author of confusion in the worship service but of peace (1 Corinthians 14) can we believe that or not? If it is true, then doesn’t that give us guidelines for determining that some manifestations are contrary to God’s nature as He has revealed it Himself? Are the Scriptures truly sufficient as they claim? If this is so, then won’t they give us the parameters for the activities of the Holy Spirit? Shouldn’t we apply these parameters in evaluating the modern manifestations? Taking God at His word is the essence of faith. It [doesn't mean we are] limiting God [if we] seek to live and worship according to the boundaries He has established. God has given these boundaries and warnings for the protection of His people… so that we can determine what is and what is not from Him.
“God Offends the Mind to Reveal the Heart”
[These leaders] imply that if you are not willing to shelve your brain and follow along, you have a heart problem. But the Bible… does not treat the intellect as a problem. The heart and mind are frequently used interchangeably in Scripture. [The statement "God offends the mind to reveal the heart"] is a doctrine written by modern apostles and repeated so frequently that it has gained acceptance among the biblically illiterate…. In reality, this is just the modern apostle/prophet’s way of saying, “You think too much. Just go with the flow and see where it leads.” Once again, the underlying message is crystal clear. Don’t think. Don’t question. This approach to Christianity is both unbiblical and unwise.
“God’s Gonna Judge You!”
If the attempt at silencing their critics through guilt doesn’t work, the modern prophets will move to intimidation: “God will judge you!” Look at the words of apostolic pastor Dutch Sheets in a prophecy about the “Shift in 2006″:
Those who refuse to move in current truth will begin to openly criticize leaders in the Body of Christ that are moving in the flow of the apostolic and the prophetic… When they do, God is going to begin to judge them.
This warning by Dutch Sheets would actually make sense if these modern apostles and prophets were truly in the mold of the Old Testament prophets or New Testament apostles. These men spoke with God’s authority. To reject their word was to reject the Word of God. But since today’s apostles and prophets are frequently wrong and will not subject themselves to the biblical tests, they are engaged in something far different.
By attacking anyone who expresses concern based on doctrinal issues, the modern prophets have created an environment of passive acceptance. They place themselves above rebuke and correction, even from the Word of God. [Tragically], this may truly lead to a case of the blind leading the blind.
July 8, 2012
If you are in a church like this, then you need to come out. Do not be deceived into thinking somehow this is ok — as if it is some kind of new evangelistic tool. It is not. What is happening is the rotting culture of a cesspool of a vile society creeping into the church. Blinding the eyes and dumbing down the sheep.
If God has cleansed you from all unrighteousness by the blood of the Lamb, then why subject yourselves to take part in something that is so vile and vulgar?
The pastor takes the F word and makes it to mean “forgive.” Then starts telling his audience to f everybody else. He even goes as far as to say “F God.” Really? As in forgive? For what?
This is blatant debauchery within the church and if you can not see it, then I dare say, you are part of it.
Come out from among that whore or you will take part in her judgments.
Do not leave me any comments in trying to uphold this. Some things I just will not waste my time. This is one of them. You are free to leave this place and wallow in the muck and the mire of the world. Or you can repent, the choice is yours.
July 26, 2011
Apostacy, The Great Falling Away, Benny Hinn, False "Gospels", False Teachers, Health/Wealth "Gospel", Sheeple Mind Control, Warnings to the Church, Witchcraft in the Church, Wolves in Sheep Clothing Apostacy/The Great Falling Away, Discernment, False Teachers, Warnings to the Church, Witchcraft in the Church 15 Comments
Video is below
Talk about taking scripture out of complete context! THIS, Bride of Christ is a fine example of these apostates setting you up NOW to start giving your finances to them before all hell breaks loose in the economy.
Benny Hinn teaching wealth transfer. This is what witchcraft in the church looks like. It is appalling!
“When God blesses you, He blesses you big. And the Bible says you don’t have to work for it.”
What an out right lie! BH’s lie gives people the impression that money is just going to come to them without any action on their part.
For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat.
— 2 Thessalonians 3:10 –
He is helping people to stumble in the faith if they end up not being able to feed their own family!
But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. — 1 Timothy 5:8 –
I am amazed how these deceivers ALWAYS use examples from the old testament instead of going to the new testament. The New Testament teaches us that Jesus had no place to lay His head. Did HE have all the riches this world has to offer? Certainly not.
BH uses Abraham, Issacc, Jacob, Joseph, Israel, and Soloman as examples of the rich. All taken from the old testament. He says there were six of them and now, “You are number 7.” Most of us know by now these heretics are using numerology with their use of numbers to back up their teachings as some kind of ordinance from God. God is nowhere in this.
“You are number seven, on your way to heaven.”
I do not claim to know who is going to heaven. But this is scarey, church. Here is a man telling a group of people they all are going to heaven. False assurance?
“God is going to give you the wealth of the sinner.”
Greed! He has just helped the church to covet by desiring what is someone else’s — sinner or not!
There is a chance to buy Benny hinn’s book on teaching you how to receive the wealth of the wicked. KACHING. Right into Hinn’s bank account!
He’s got his creepy MANIPULATING/WITCHCRAFT voice at 7:30 “You people listen to me well. If you don’t obey god today, you’re going to lose tomorrow.” That finger of his pointed as if he is some great truth speaker.”People who disobeyed in the old and new testaments were cut off.”
A fear tactic. Remember that.
At this point he tells a cutesie little story that brings some laughter. Now whether he did this to break down some resistance or not, God knows. Personally, I think it is every bit of a type of mind control and they know exactly how to work a crowd.
He goes on by giving examples of how he gave thousands of dollars when he was broke. Of course this was many years ago and no proof of any such thing. Even if there were proof, it does not mean God is requiring you to give your money to these deceitful workers of iniquity.
He explains he was so broke and god told him to give up his last 10 cents. This is preparing the people even more to empty their wallets as he shares this pathetic sob story!
“I’m gonna ask you to do what I did that day…I don’t know why god told me to give athousand dollars…something in my being told me to give a thousand.”
He continues by telling the people if they do what he will ask them, it will be the best thing that happens to them and their family.
Never mind if they will have food on the table, never mind if they have a house payment or bills to pay. Just fork it over to the man in the fancy suit!
“And as you pray, god is going to talk to you. Then I want you come down here and sow a thousand dollars in the Lord’s work…God has already placed a thousand dollars in your hands. You have it some place. I know you have other plans for it, but god has just changed your plans.”
“I’m standing here because of my obediance of so long ago.”
No, he is standing there because people have propped him up for decades and made him a billionaire!
This whole charade leads to the teaching of offerings. No surprise there. BH is preparing the people to empty their wallets in hopes of getting some of that wealth and the only one walking away from this with money in their pocket is Benny hinn! WAKE UP CHURCH!
Do not come here and try to defend this man. Your comment will not be posted. If you want to believe this stuff, you are free to do so. You deserve to have every cent taken from you in the days to come.
As for the sheep who are coming out from among them, continue to test all things. You do not have to be afraid of the teachings of Benny Hinn. Do not let him put a yoke on you.
July 25, 2011
I know, I know. Somebody out there is going to call me a Pharisee over this. But really now … if God is a holy God — full of might and power — then where does man come off believing it is ok to approach God like this? It was just a few years ago when we had Tod Bently — the infamous lizard man — leading what some called revival with his cries of “Bam, bam, bam, bam” and “shekabumbah.” Now we have this: a man whom I am sure the world will love for ending his prayer with “boogity, boogity, boogity.” Oh did I mention he thanked God for his “smoking hot wife?”
I think if one wanted to pray before a race, one would pray for the safety of the drivers other than thanking God for fast cars, tires, a hot wife. etc. I wonder if God was smiling. After all, we have been taught He has a great sense of humor. Yet, somehow, I do not see God caring one wit about fast cars, tires or car races.
I am convinced there is a true remnant of God somewhere, but this? This is not part of it.
July 25, 2011
Following article gotten here:
My comments in green to help Bethel followers to understand where your leaders are coming from.
I think it’s a fair question given the mandate Bethel ministries proclaims.
“We’re to actually bring nations into a place of discipleship before God. God has a heart for nations to be completely transformed and saved, and we have been given a mandate and an opportunity to really step in to give influence on a national and international level.”
The Lord wants and desires all to come to Him. However, this is not the same thing as transforming the nations. We already know the nations are evil and will continue to be until the end of time. To think otherwise — to believe man or government can change the nations — is Dominion Theology; the teaching that the church has to take over everything before Jesus comes back. THIS IS A LIE. It is also one of an anti-christ spirit, for it is not dependence upon God, but one of a type of humanism and witchcraft of decreeing and declaring this-n-that. I find it interesting that the apostates decree and declare health/wealth, (never asking God for anything) yet in public movements they make a big show of repentence and mercy.
I would also ask here: Who would be doing the discipling after the nations were brought into a place of discipleship? The answer is clear: The likes of Bill Johnson and other apostates.
What does Bill Johnson mean when he says “transformed” and how to accomplish this task?
“So that’s the mandate we have, is to raise up people that can infiltrate the systems, to bring the reality of King Jesus, his presence, his power, his order, his government, his structure, his method of life, his method of honor, his treatment of other peoples, to bring that into nations. And thats the mandate we’ve been given.”
I – for one — do not sense, feel, believe any such mandate is upon me. Neither do you have such a mandate. The one mandate I do see is to pick up our cross and follow Jesus. A hard thing to do! God is NOT calling us to mandate/force His will on anyone. His will is simple: That no one should perish, but that all should come to repentence. He’s certainly not going to force that upon anyone.
Well, that is their prerogative to make this attempt to infiltrate systems, an interesting way to say government by the way, as with any other special interest. But what does that have to do with the City of Redding? Mr. Johnson admits that what they are training people to do in the political sphere is to be exported out of Redding.
But what exactly are they exporting?
“My role, your role, this house, is to export it. It means our job isn’t to go around telling, just teaching and ministering out of our gift. Our job is to take what we are experiencing on a local church level. What we are experiencing on a city wide level. Taking a portion of that, that’s our message now.”
Hmmm. How about some more specifics…
Our message is not now just a teaching, our message is now a method that’s been lived out in the culture of our local church. Demonstrated in the culture of the community, a city. Taking that piece of it to another place, transplanting it, imparting it to people.
The message is one does not need to be born-again. Just simply fall under the leadership of these apostates. THAT is the true message of these people. They would have us to believe if they can just get their agenda out, then everything will follow according to plan. Their plan, not God’s.
Now it’s getting a bit more personal, local. Here’s more…
So were not just talking about a theory, a concept, a principle, were talking about something that’s been tested in the environment of local church and city life. And that’s what we do. We’re exporters. I don’t ever want to change that. But my heart burns to be able to say, you know what, let’s experiment at home. Let’s get it working. Let’s get, let’s get the wrinkles out of this thing. Let’s get a model that is, that can be duplicated anywhere in the world. It’s not American culture, it’s revival culture and let’s take it somewhere.
So, if their goal is to export graduates that can infiltrate systems at the national and international level. To bring revivalist culture to governments, their method is to perfect a shining example, a model to be transported around the world based on their civic work in Redding.
So, my headline is a fair and open question.
Dictionary meaning of Infiltrate: 1. To pass (troops, for example) surreptitiously into enemy-held territory.
2. To penetrate with hostile intent: infiltrate enemy lines; terrorists that had infiltrated the country.
3. To enter or take up positions in gradually or surreptitiously, as for purposes of espionage or takeover: infiltrated key government agencies with spies.
4. To gain entrance gradually or surreptitiously.
In order to infiltrate, don’t you have to pretend to be one thing while actually being something else? Somehow I can not see Jesus, Paul, Peter and the others infiltrating anything. They did things so much out in the open that it got them killed!
July 25, 2011
Apostacy, The Great Falling Away, False Prophets, False Revival, False Teachers, Learning to Discern, Paganism, Witchcraft in the Church Apostacy/The Great Falling Away, Discernment, False Prophets, False Teachers, Witchcraft in the Church 16 Comments
The following was taken from a Pagan blog. I must say it is pretty darn sad when Pagans have more discernment to what is going on within the apostate church, than the church does. Though I can not ago along with Pagan practices, (I worship only one God) I respect them for their ability to see in an area that the church does not.
The following was gotten here: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/tag/heartland-apostolic-prayer-network
I’ve written at some length about the upcoming prayer rally “The Response” and its problematic organizers and endorsers, and I have also devoted quite a bit of time to the New Apostolic Reformation, a neo-Pentecostal Christian movement that regularly engages in spiritual warfare tactics, displays a disturbing anti-Pagan emphasis, and has intertwined itself with Perry and his prayer event. While I use the terminology “spiritual warfare” quite often, I think that it’s hard to envision what this practice is like among the Christians who engage in it. I’ve mentioned that it is, in essence, malefic magic, but that’s often a difficult picture to square with the usual harmless image of devout Christians with heads bowed and hands clasped. But an upcoming New Apostolic Reformation-led event, brought to my attention by fellow Pagan blogger Hecate, does an very good job of illustrating how “spiritual warfare” works in their context.
Releasing the Prophetic Destiny of a Nation. Oh goody goody, we have the likes of Cindy Jacobs and others praying (in Jacobs case: screeching like some kind of banshee) for the nation. That is comforting. Yes, I’m being sarcastic. How any Christian can take this stuff serious is beyond me. WHERE are we told in the word of God to do this? WHERE are we told to line ourselves up with such a thing? Instead we are told there is a remnant of God. (Of which I hope and pray I am part of) If thousands and thousands of people are doing the very same thing at the very same time, where is the remnant?
The above video is from an upcoming prayer-war event called “DC40″ which will “lay siege” on Washington D.C. to change the “District of Columbia” into the “Disctrict of Christ” (they even issued a faux-legal “divorce decree”). This initiative is being co-led by Cindy Jacobs (who managed to find the spiritual bright-side in the Japan and Haiti earthquakes) and John Benefiel of the Heartland Apostolic Prayer Network (HAPN), both influential figures in the New Apostolic Reformation movement, and both are national endorsers for Rick Perry’s “The Response.” In anther video, organizer and “prophetic artist” James Nesbit makes clear that the goal is to return Washington D.C. to Christ, and to eliminate compromise in our government.
The whole video is one of manipulation from his voice to the music in the back-ground. Take away the music and he would not be able to speak with such heart-felt passion. As Christains we are being led to believe that we must take part in order to bring about some kind of change in our nation. He asks, “can all 50 states cry at the same time?” I suppose there are some who would believe God would really be impressed with such a thing. However, I don’t believe God is impressed with man’s schemes, goals, agendas or/and plans at all. What happened to the prayer closet? Whatever happened to picking up your cross and following Jesus? Instead there is a move among the so-called apostles/prophets of today to just get government to do what we as the Bride of Christ should be doing: That is one of leading others to the truth.
Christians can not legislate moral behavior. Christians can not nor should not force others to believe through laws to behave what they consider godly. Only a holy God can do that and that is through repentence and being born-again. Nothing else. When the church begins to want to use government to force a nation to behave a certain way, then rest assured they have allowed government to become their god. It is no different than those who already depend upon government to answer every need.
That animus towards compromise isn’t an aberration. Benefiel’s HAPN released a “Declaration of Light” that made it very clear that they have “no power to purpose or accept any compromise of the promises of God, and we declare illegal in the earth any action or any people, Nation or nations that undertake what is contradictory to the Word of God.” In short, if it isn’t God-sanctified, it doesn’t apply to them.
Now many see these sorts of things and simply scoff. But for a large number of modern Pagans the focused intent of will, the use of prayer to achieve goals, the harnessing of intent towards a shared goal is taken very seriously, we call it magic (or magick). If we believe that groups of Pagans working towards some shared spiritual goal is effective, then by extension we can’t help but take an initiative to harness the wills and intents of thousands of Christians towards a goal that would marginalize or harm our faiths seriously. These prayer warriors make plain that their “struggle is not against flesh and blood” and that they “do not curse those deceived,” but disclaimers do not make malefic magic positive. These groups have made it very, very, clear that our gods are their enemies.
I am glad the writer made a distinction between those who want to spend their time fighting gods they do not believe in from those of us who would rather find something better to do with our time. The Christian who wants to fight gods they do not believe in, are silly. No different than an atheist who would spend all their time getting upset over a god they did not believe in. From the Christian standpoint, I suppose it is much easier than actually picking up the cross.
The question is how do we respond? Some want to respond with their own magical action, but would that simply feed their spiritual warfare paradigm? As the New Apostolic Reformation climbs the ladder of influence and power within politics, organizing their massive group spells, simply ignoring them seems to be quickly fading away as an option.
A comment taken from the site concerning this matter: Perhaps we should become “better healers than they are warriors”? And I think a healthy dose of humor would be a good healing tactic.
I wish I had her sense of humor. But I don’t. I think these false prophets/apostles are leading the church straight to anti-christ. Whatever, whoever it is.
If I had to choose between the two, I would much rather have a pagan for my friend than these who are setting themselves up for the rest of the church to follow.
July 21, 2011
There is an occult movement among Christains. Some are seeking signs and wonders in spite of what the Word of God says:
Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from You.”
But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. – Matthew 12: 38-40 –
NOTE: It was the the Scribes and Pharisees who asked for a sign. Such are the very same ones today doing the very same thing. The true Pharisees of today have twisted the truth in such a way, that if you dare question or challenge them in an area, then you are the Pharisee in their eyes. Bride of Christ, this is straight from hell and a tactic of the enemy. It is meant to intimidate you, to silence you, to keep you from testing things.
The things being called signs and wonders today are such silly and stupid things; gold teeth, angel feathers, gemstones, gold dust – it makes anyone with half a brain wonder if the church truly has gone mad or have they just not grown up. It appears they are stuck in some infantile state preferring spook stories than the unadulterated word of God. Would not surprise me one bit if someone at some point had a word from God saying that we all must suck our thumbs in order to receive a greater revelation.
One of the biggest claims now is orbs. Round balls of light that people are calling angels. Uh, really, now? Where is the proof? Some people are even taking pictures in hopes of catching an orb or two in their photo. This would be silly IF it were not so serious. What makes it serious is people are opening themselves up to the occult. There is absolutely no proof if these things are superantural events or not. Could be the lighting, could be the camera, could be any number of things. Yet Christians everywhere are claiming these things are angels. Well, if you can say angel, why can’t I say devil?
Shock! I can just hear some of you thinking I have committed the unpardonable sin by daring to question. I will ask you, where is the proof? The fact that you may think you feeeeel God’s presence? The fact that others — your special annointed teachers — say so?
Friend, I tell you now whoever you are, if you do not start testing things NOW, far greater delusions will come upon you and you will be primed to BOW before the first false image that comes your way. You are already bowing and do not know it. You are bowing to vain imaginations of false teachers/prophets/preachers each and everytime you take their teaching and not test it.
The following video I put up once before, but in light of the orb thingy, I have put it up again in hopes that some will see and come out from among this deception.
You can go youtube and see all kinds of “orbs.” Some are even in so-called haunted houses. Some are fakes I’m sure. Others? It does not matter. What matters is people seeking out these things. You may as well go to a cemetery late at night and take pictures.
In the video below, whether fake or not, I don’t know.
You say angel, I say devil.
July 21, 2011
Mark Chironna’s roots are in the New Age and the Occult. He still practices these things with his teachings.
2 Timothy: 4:1-5 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
Mark Chironna, Apostle with Peter Wagner “International Coalition of Apostles”
Operates “Legacy Alliance” and “ordains” ministers under his “covering” for a portion of their financial gain.
Frequent guest and host on TBN. Mark Chironna sits on the board of CARMAN, Christian Musician.
Until 2004, when his “Christian” TV outlets were advised of his activities, Mark Chironna marketed his courses and materials on sites connected with NAM, the New Age Movement. TBN did NOT remove Mark. Mark’s local “Christian” outlets did NOT remove him from their line up.
July 17, 2011
Apostacy, The Great Falling Away, Bethel, Occult, Warnings to the Church, Witchcraft in the Church Apostacy/The Great Falling Away, Discernment, Occult, Warnings to the Church, Witchcraft in the Church 11 Comments
For those who are acquainted with and in the FALSE Prophetic coming out of Bethel, it would do you good to read this. Also for those who are not aware of what is going on within the church.
I found this pearl off my sister blogger’s site:
She had the follwoing to say about it:
Just received this as a comment. Please, if you are involved with Bethel, Crowder, any part of the charismatic/word of faith movement, the healing rooms or the prophetic, check these methods with the word of God. They may seem right, but they are occult at the core. I know this is so because I used to be a part of it all. Praise God for His saving grace!
I really wanted to share my story too as my church in the UK has become well & truly Bethelized, the transition into it has been a subtle & underhanded invasion, swapping of truth for error, what Im posting is about that journey of utter deception & how it gets in.
late 2009- Bill Johnson comes to my town in a big church wide event…. some time after that mtg (I didnt go to it because I really dont like big events) our senior pastor sat down with some leaders & discussed the audacity of bethel people visiting mind/body/spirit./psychic type fairs & setting up stalls that would offer to pray for healing & prophesy over people that would frequent such a place… 1st red flag no gospel preached/ & irresponsible – how on earth do people who are mostly drawn to occult practices discern & distinguish & make appropriate responses to that which is reportedly from a Holy God in that type of setting. ok I know god can reach anyone anywhere anyhow – but his “method” promotes spiritual confusion I believe in people who are dead to sin & lost to HIM.
May 2010: a group of leaders form our church & around the town visit Bethel… they return “odd’ different but not in a good way – immediately there is a lot of praying for individuals in the church by laying a hand on the forehead without the individual’s permission – these leaders just go up & “minister”- shouting & whooooaing in prayer times… also wafting hand movements during prayer times. my ” mentor’ who I love dearly & know very well now exhibits a subtle change in personality & has experienced a range of ill health ever since.
Red Flag 2: the language begins to change – we hear about impartation/intoxication of the spirit & relationship with father/ the work of Jesus on the cross becomes lessend as we focus on a culture of developing the prophetic/miracles & concentrate on being family
we see for the first time the practice of “fire tunnels”
rest of 2010…. we begin to immerse in Jesus culture music – begin preparing plans to launch our own healing rooms.. the “culture of honour” is widely talked about promoted from the senior leadership team.
Red flag 3: even though a culture of honour & doing everything from a place of loving relationship/family is promoted big time – various circumstances present themselves where honour should have been highly practiced – where in fact the opposite could be said
2011- senior leadership from Bethel visit the church. its obvious people form other places in the UK flock to hear the latest word.
healing rooms begins
Students from Bethel BSSM visit the town: we actively see for the first time prophetic art & the interpretation of it in our service time- soaking or what they would call “carpet time” is evident & other new phrases begin to pop into our language
* being whacked by God – get whacked – stay whacked – never go back
* get activated in the spirit/prophetic
* we want Jesus to get what he died for ( in relation to miracles)
* release & freedom become Big words
* Host the prescence
* More More & More
Red flag 3: senior leaders are imparting drunkeness to each other (& everyone else)- rolling around on floor – throwing love/bliss bombs at each other. & stating that they feel so drunk they are not sure how they could drive home. some of the behaviour they exhibit & allow would have been considered demonic & or worthy of discipline 20/25 years ago
present: *church decides to set up its own supernatural school of ministry
* other leaders visit to Bethel & other conferences around the uk & return using odd & confusing language – mostly pointing to the idea that Gods word was for then & the spirit or the flow (of the new wine) is for now
* we go totally overboard on the prophetic – with instruction form the senior leaders to develop, be ready & willing to give a prophetic word to literally anyone, anywhere, anytime.
Red flag 4: the occult creeps in: we now use Bethel’s offering readings ( look it up on their website) when we collect our tithes & offerings – this to me is nothing short of an incantation – a list of demands to get what WE want from God including “divine manifestations” & angelic visitations.
people are encouraged to place a cloth on their head during prayer at HR
& we are also offering people ” spiritual readings” this is where various prayers are written on cards & people are encouraged to randomly select one & have a leader pray over them for fulfillment in that area – just feels like home grown Tarot.
After all of this I have to say IM OUT – they will have my resignation by the end of the week !
I just felt I wanted to post all this so that others can see how this has happened chronologically like a drip drip drip effect of Blurrgh! which has sucked many in