Following article gotten here:
My comments in green to help Bethel followers to understand where your leaders are coming from.
I think it’s a fair question given the mandate Bethel ministries proclaims.
Here’s Bill Johnson...
“We’re to actually bring nations into a place of discipleship before God. God has a heart for nations to be completely transformed and saved, and we have been given a mandate and an opportunity to really step in to give influence on a national and international level.”
The Lord wants and desires all to come to Him. However, this is not the same thing as transforming the nations. We already know the nations are evil and will continue to be until the end of time. To think otherwise — to believe man or government can change the nations — is Dominion Theology; the teaching that the church has to take over everything before Jesus comes back. THIS IS A LIE. It is also one of an anti-christ spirit, for it is not dependence upon God, but one of a type of humanism and witchcraft of decreeing and declaring this-n-that. I find it interesting that the apostates decree and declare health/wealth, (never asking God for anything) yet in public movements they make a big show of repentence and mercy.
I would also ask here: Who would be doing the discipling after the nations were brought into a place of discipleship? The answer is clear: The likes of Bill Johnson and other apostates.
What does Bill Johnson mean when he says “transformed” and how to accomplish this task?
“So that’s the mandate we have, is to raise up people that can infiltrate the systems, to bring the reality of King Jesus, his presence, his power, his order, his government, his structure, his method of life, his method of honor, his treatment of other peoples, to bring that into nations. And thats the mandate we’ve been given.”
I – for one — do not sense, feel, believe any such mandate is upon me. Neither do you have such a mandate. The one mandate I do see is to pick up our cross and follow Jesus. A hard thing to do! God is NOT calling us to mandate/force His will on anyone. His will is simple: That no one should perish, but that all should come to repentence. He’s certainly not going to force that upon anyone.
Well, that is their prerogative to make this attempt to infiltrate systems, an interesting way to say government by the way, as with any other special interest. But what does that have to do with the City of Redding? Mr. Johnson admits that what they are training people to do in the political sphere is to be exported out of Redding.
But what exactly are they exporting?
“My role, your role, this house, is to export it. It means our job isn’t to go around telling, just teaching and ministering out of our gift. Our job is to take what we are experiencing on a local church level. What we are experiencing on a city wide level. Taking a portion of that, that’s our message now.”
Hmmm. How about some more specifics…
Our message is not now just a teaching, our message is now a method that’s been lived out in the culture of our local church. Demonstrated in the culture of the community, a city. Taking that piece of it to another place, transplanting it, imparting it to people.
The message is one does not need to be born-again. Just simply fall under the leadership of these apostates. THAT is the true message of these people. They would have us to believe if they can just get their agenda out, then everything will follow according to plan. Their plan, not God’s.
Now it’s getting a bit more personal, local. Here’s more…
So were not just talking about a theory, a concept, a principle, were talking about something that’s been tested in the environment of local church and city life. And that’s what we do. We’re exporters. I don’t ever want to change that. But my heart burns to be able to say, you know what, let’s experiment at home. Let’s get it working. Let’s get, let’s get the wrinkles out of this thing. Let’s get a model that is, that can be duplicated anywhere in the world. It’s not American culture, it’s revival culture and let’s take it somewhere.
So, if their goal is to export graduates that can infiltrate systems at the national and international level. To bring revivalist culture to governments, their method is to perfect a shining example, a model to be transported around the world based on their civic work in Redding.
So, my headline is a fair and open question.
Dictionary meaning of Infiltrate: 1. To pass (troops, for example) surreptitiously into enemy-held territory.
2. To penetrate with hostile intent: infiltrate enemy lines; terrorists that had infiltrated the country.
3. To enter or take up positions in gradually or surreptitiously, as for purposes of espionage or takeover: infiltrated key government agencies with spies.
4. To gain entrance gradually or surreptitiously.
In order to infiltrate, don’t you have to pretend to be one thing while actually being something else? Somehow I can not see Jesus, Paul, Peter and the others infiltrating anything. They did things so much out in the open that it got them killed!