Apostate Rob Bell affirms Homosexuality

This is what happens when pastors and preachers all through America could not discern Rob Bell in the first place. When you can not discern something from the beginning, you end up having to deal with a greater delusion later on.

Would not surprise me one bit, if Rob Bell himself comes out at some point and says he is a homosexual. Does that make me judging? I’ve done said, I have known/know lots of homosexuals through my lifetime and loved each and everyone of them. But I dare not help them stay in the kingdom of darkness, by affirming them in their behavior.

Justin Hoke: Rob Bell in a clear demonstration of loving the world, affirms homosexuality. God can and does save homosexuals, but not apart from repentance. You cannot be homosexual and a Christian at the same time. Some Christians may struggle with homosexual sinful desires, but Bell is not saying any of this, rather he is boldly calling good what God has called sin.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/rob-bell-on-gay-marriage-support-god-pulling-us-ahead-to-affirm-gay-brothers-sisters-92395/

“I believe God [is] pulling us ahead into greater and greater affirmation and acceptance of our gay brothers and sisters and pastors and friends and neighbors and coworkers,” former megachurch pastor and best-selling author Rob Bell explained just days after surprising the evangelical Christian community with his expressed support for same-sex marriage.

I have said this many times and will say it again: Not everyone is our sister and brother. What part of “you must be born – again” is it that these apostates do not get? http://redeemedhippiesplace.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/who-are-the-children-of-god/

The former Mars Hill Bible Church founder and controversial Love Wins author told Odyssey Networks in an interview published Wednesday that many people are “realizing that God makes some of us one way and some of us another, and it can be a beautiful thing.”

If Rob Bell is referring to homosexuality here, and I believe he is, then he building an image of God that is not true. It is a lying anti-christ spirit. To call beautiful what God has called sin, is a lie from hell. 

The video interview, titled “Why Rob Bell Supports Gay Marriage,” comes just days after the Michigan church founder visited San Francisco’s Grace Cathedral (the Episcopal Cathedral of the Diocese of California) in a promotional book tour to discuss his purpose for writing What We Talk About When We Talk About God, his views on evangelical Christianity and future projects he has lined up.

During that event, Bell was asked about his stance on same-sex marriage and he explained that he was “for marriage.”

“I am for fidelity. I am for love, whether it’s a man and a woman, a woman and a woman, a man and a man. I think the ship has sailed and I think that the church needs to just … this is the world that we are living in and we need to affirm people wherever they are,” he responded.

Really? Would that I am for love thingy include being able to marry your dog, goat or pig?

What Rob Bell really wanted to say was, “I think the ship has sailed and I think that the church needs to just get on board.” Do we affirm others as well? 

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. — 1 Corinthians 6:9 – 11 –

Some observers expressed disappointment with Bell’s unorthodox view and found his remarks surprising, although the popular Christian author has expressed similar views in the past, previously calling gays and lesbians who identify as Christians “passionate disciples of Jesus.”

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Brad Williams, an Alabama-based Baptist pastor, denounced Bell’s comments, calling it “disconcerting for a Christian leader to say that the church should simply get in line with whatever the culture says.”

“… one thing the Christian cannot do is ask Scripture to take a back seat to cultural whims. That is what Bell is asking of us,” Williams wrote for Patheos.

“The universal church simply cannot follow Bell where he is going. The church has to be clear, and her leaders ought to be clear about the Bible’s teachings.”

Amid the criticism Bell has received, Brian McLaren, a friend of Bell’s and a well-known pastor specializing in post-evangelical thought who is also gay-affirming, has commended him for his “courageous” remarks.

“I think this is further evidence that we are reaching a tipping point in our culture where marriage equality will be seen in much of the way as the struggle for women’s equality and for civil rights now are seen as we look back in our history,” McLaren, who has been identified as part of the controversial emergent church, said in a video interview also with Odyssey Networks. “It takes courage to make these kinds of statements when you’re an author and speaker as Rob and I are, but it’s especially painful for pastors and priests to work this out in the midst of pastoral ministry.”

Liar. No, it does not take courage. All one needs is compromise. It takes courage to stand for the truth.

In his new book, What We Talk About When We Talk About God, Bell shares his take on how some theological ideas present in mainstream Christianity are outdated and irrelevant to the changing times – and that God is in many ways steps ahead of these old ideas and is pulling people forward.

Out right apostacy! The Word of God says: Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, … — Hebrews 13:8,9 –

Who is Rob Bell to change the word of God?

“A lot of people when they say, ‘By God ahead do you mean by same-sex marriage?’ – Yes,” Bell said in his March 20 interview.

“We live in a world where we have friends, neighbors, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, people we journey with for years who are gay. And we need to love, affirm and all of us together work on the real problems that we have in the world. And I think that’s one of the things you’re seeing now, is you’re seeing God pull us all forward into a greater realization that we need more love, we need more fidelity, we need more monogamy, we need more people who are committed to each other.”

But no! We need more people who are committed to God, more committed to the truth!

“So this is a huge moment when I think lots of us are realizing that the old way of seeing things doesn’t work,” he added. “It causes so much pain and heartache and God’s inviting us to see things in new ways and we need to say ‘yes’ and then we need to step into the future together.”

Rob Bell and those who follow him, are of an anti-christ spirit. He is leading countless thousands right into the bowels of hell.

Bell also shared that he believes technology has played a major part in the shifting of many long-held views, saying that the Internet in particular has shown that people cannot live in their own “tribal bubbles” or “cocooned off” from the real world.

He added, “What happens when you are all suddenly exposed to thousands of different viewpoints is it can call your own into question and it can have this refining fire dimension to it when you realize that ‘wow, I’ve been living with a bunch of views and perspectives that don’t actually work and don’t actually bring life. So I need to be honest about that.’ And that can be painful, but it’s also liberating and that’s where the life is.”

What he is saying, is, it is ok to compromise the truth for the sake of getting something to work.

Bell, who left the Michigan congregation he founded in 1999 to move to California last year, is currently on a promotional tour for What We Talk About When We Talk About God. The former pastor, whose best-selling Love Wins book challenged traditional teachings on a literal, eternal hell and belief in Jesus Christ as a prerequisite for heaven, has also shared that he is developing a faith-inspired television show with “Lost” series creator Carlton Cuse.

And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. — Matthew 24: 4,5 –

The Deception in the “Common Good”

The following video was made by a dear woman who gives part of her testimony on what she saw in the political movement to save the unborn and America. She has entitiled it “God will not allow his elect to be deceived.” However, I must disagree with the title. The word of God does tell us that the very elect of God will be deceived in the days to come IF possible.

A big hearty amen to her video and discernment — These are some of her quotes: God is not about “unity” for a common cause, but unity in his truth for the furtherance of His Kingdom, not man’s idea of an earthly kingdom. Two can not join or walk together unlesss they agree in the Truth.

Let a little sin in the camp, a little unequal yoking and it will pollute with an everlasting pollution, it will corrupt with an everlasing corruption, it will destroy souls.

If you look at nothing else, at least go to the 4:5o mark and see what happened at a meeting when men were commanded to sing the praises of man instead of to God. THIS is exactly what an anti-christ spirit is all about. This is what is being set up for us to worship: men and their agendas. Do not be deceived, dear ones. TEST ALL THINGS.

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Stop nurturing your child’s self-esteem

Remember when James Dobson began to bring the leaven of psychology to the church? I do. The church I attended at the time were devouring his teachings and books. It didn’t sit right with some of us and one woman told the preacher’s wife, “you are going to see this is going to split the church in two.” That woman was poo-pooed and dismissed. However, she was right. That little bit of leaven grew and grew to the point where the leaders could not discern a thing. Everything became touchy feely. Even to the point where a visiting preacher was allowed to stand behind the pulpit and tell how he was “ministering” to a grown man and the “Lord told me to bend him over my knee and spank him.” I am not joking! I should have gotten up and rebuked him right there. At the very least, walked out. But I was much younger back then, being taught you did not question authority. Well, things have changed: I DO question “authority” in every area of life now and if that were to happen today (not that I would be found in any church on any given Sunday) I would rebuke and walk out.

The problem with self-esteem is it is a lie from hell. We are not taught in the Word of God to have self-esteem. Jesus did not die to give us “self-esteem” but rather for Him to be esteemed.

I have noticed over the past few years that those with self-esteem, are full of themselves. They somehow think that no matter what, they are the most interesting person in the room; the most adored, the most anything and everything. Uh, obama seems to come to mind at the moment. But I digress.

A friend (who I will call Debbie) and I have a mutual friend (who I will call Suzy) from the past. Debbie just lost her ex-husband who had still been her friend to a massive heart attack. I went to the funeral over the week-end and her grief was breaking my heart. She told me the next night or so, that Suzy called her all drunked up, stoned out of her mind, slurring her words to the point where she could not understand her and ended up just hanging up. Suzy knew that Debbie’s husband had died, yet, she had called Debbie up to complain about what was going on in her own life. How sick is that? It goes beyond sick. It is selfish, self-serving.  

Now some would say, ah, but Suzy has no self esteem or she wouldn’t be in that shape. Wrong. It is because she has thought of nothing but herself that she ended up in that very place!

Self-esteem is just that; SELF. Jesus told us to die to self. Not to esteem ourselves. I may be wrong here, but self esteem will always need to be pampered and nurtured by others in order to even exist. Not to say that we should not treat others respectfully. We should. The difference is, we do not lie to them in not telling them the truth about something for fear of hurting their wittle feelings. Example: you do not tell your 98 pound daughter who may want to be a fire fighter, “Ah honey, you can do whatever you want.” NO! It is not reality for a 98 pound woman to be a fire fighter trying to save the lives of others. Muscles and strength are needed. Who would you rather come to your aid, a puny weakling or a strong 230 pound man? Or perhaps a young man who runs down the field with a ball, but barely can write his name wants to be a brain surgeon. Are you going to tell him, “you can do anything you set your mind to.”  You want him operating on you?

Think about it. 

Article gotten here:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=234437

By Dennis Prager

By now, most people (with the exception of many psychotherapists) recognize that the self-esteem movement officially launched by California in 1986 has been at best silly and at worst injurious to society, despite whatever small benefit it may have had to some individuals.

The movement was begun by California Assemblyman John Vasconcellos. As the New York Times reported, “Mr. Vasconcellos, a 53-year-old Democrat, is described by an aide as ‘the most radical humanist in the Legislature.’”

In an interview at the time, Vasconcellos told me he had personally benefited from therapy. It enabled him to improve the poor self-esteem he had inherited from his childhood. He therefore concluded that improving other people’s self-esteem would greatly help society.

And so, California created its Task Force to Promote Self-Esteem and Personal and Social Responsibility, whose guiding principle was to raise young people’s self-esteem in order to increase the number of socially responsible people in society.

This belief – that increasing self-esteem among the members of society will increase goodness in society – spread through the rest of America like proverbial wildfire.

It turns out, however, that the premise was entirely misguided. There is no correlation between goodness and high self-esteem. But there is a correlation between criminality and high self-esteem.

The classic parenting book for today’s challenges: “Child Training Tips: What I Wish I Knew When My Children Were Young”

Florida State University professor Roy Baumeister (Ph.D. psychology, Princeton University) has revealed that in a lifetime of study of violent criminals, the one characteristic nearly all these criminals share is high self-esteem.

Yes, people with high self-esteem are the ones most prone to violence.

The 1960s and ’70s ushered in what I refer to as the Age of Feelings. And one of the most enduring feelings-based notions that came out of that era was that it was critically important that children feel good about themselves. High self-esteem, it was decided, should be imparted to children whenever possible – no matter how undeserving. That is why boys on losing teams are given trophies, why more and more high schools have ceased naming a valedictorian (lest the other graduates feel bad about themselves), why some states have abolished winning and losing in children’s soccer games (lest those on the losing teams suffer low self-esteem), etc.

A friend of mine provided me with a perfect illustration. At a Little League baseball game, he saw a pitch thrown a few feet above the batter’s head. Needless to say, the batter didn’t swing. But to my friend’s amazement, he heard both the batter’s father and coach yell out, “Good eye!”

For those who don’t know baseball, it does not take a “good eye” not to swing at a ball thrown over one’s head. It takes a functioning eye.

One result of all this has been a generation that thinks highly of itself for no good reason. Perhaps the most famous example is the survey of American high-school students and those of seven other countries. Americans came in last in mathematical ability but first in self-esteem about their mathematical ability.

But it turns out that feeling good about oneself for no good reason – as destructive as that is – is not the biggest problem.

The child-rearing expert, psychologist John Rosemond, recently opened my eyes to the even more troubling problem: High self-esteem in children does not produce good character, and in fact is likely to produce a less moral individual.

This flies in the face of perhaps the deepest-held conviction among the present generation, as well as the baby boomers: that it is a parent’s fundamental obligation to ensure that his child has high self-esteem.

Though I always opposed undeserved self-esteem, I, too, had bought into the belief that self-esteem in children is vital.

But as soon as Rosemond said what he said, I realized he was right.

And since he said that, I have analyzed the finest adults I know well. It turns out that none had high self-esteem as a child. In fact, virtually most of them “suffered” – as it would now be deemed – from low self-esteem.

To cite one example, one of the finest human beings I have ever known – an individual of extraordinary courage, integrity and selflessness – had a father who constantly berated this person as worthless and stupid.

Now, this father was, to put it mildly, a sick man. And he did indeed have a negative psychological impact on his child – to this day, this person has low self-esteem. But it had no negative impact on this individual’s sterling character.

The more I have thought about it, the more I have put Baumeister’s and Rosemond’s insights together.

If Baumeister is right, and violent criminals have higher self-esteem than most people, and if Rosemond is right, and people who do not grow up with high self-esteem are more likely to be among the finest human beings, then society has the strongest interest in not promoting self-esteem among children. Society’s sole interest should be creating people of good character, not people with high self-esteem. And good character is created by teaching self-control, not self-esteem.

These things are not created through humanist means. They are taught and given from and by a merciful God whether you believe in Him or not. You see, HE is all good. Man is not. For man to believe that he himself is good, leads back to self.

Now, let me be clear. No one is recommending that parents never praise a child or that parents seek to cultivate a low self-image in their child. And we assume that the child knows his parents love him/her. But, if raising good adults is the primary task of a parent – and it surely must be – trying to give one’s child high self-esteem is not helpful, and it can easily be counterproductive.

If you don’t agree with this conclusion, do the following: Ask the finest people you know how much self-esteem they had as a child. Then ask all the narcissists you know how much their parent(s) praised them.

Personally, my parents were realists with me. I had certain dreams as a child that were obtainable, though I did not achieve them. My parents encouraged me. However, they never once praised me when it was not deserved. I knew of some parents back then that let their children win at board games to make the child feel good about themselves. My mother never did this. Nor was she was out to stomp me in a game. She taught me as I played the game how to win. If she had done otherwise, it would have been cheating and would have given me the impression I was good at something when I was not. I can count on one hand how many times I beat her in a game of Scrabble! She was the best and she taught her children how to play, how to win and most importantly, how to lose.

Just one more reason I don’t go to church

I found this over at http://www.alittleleaven.com/2010/10/miley-cyrus-purpose-driven-praise-song-the-climb.html

They had this to say about it: Miley Cyrus’ Purpose-Driven Praise Song “The Climb”. Here’s a video of praise and worship time at Saddleback Church. Please open your hymnals to… ahem…sorry we meant to say…watch the jumbotron so that you can sing along as the Saddleback Church Worship team leads the congregation audience in that timeless “Christian” classic The Climb by Miley Cyrus.

I say this: Just one more reason I don’t go to church. If i had to sit through the following being expected to believe this had anything to do with the Gospel, I would puke. Not only is the music so typically generic, the lyrics are dull and meaningless. Hold your head high.” Isn’t that a sign of pride? Hmmm. “It’s about the climb.” Really? Not about Jesus?

This stinks to high heaven. I sure as heck hope they ain’t gonna be playing this one in heaven. If so, I will have to step out side the pearly gates and get some air!

Welcome to the apostacy. Oh did I mention this takes place at Rick Warren’s church? No surprise there. 

If for some reason you like it, don’t bother telling me. I could not care less.

The Deception of The Emergent Church Movement, Spiritual Formation, Contemplative Prayer

carpentersdaughter2: I am reposting this because the Emergent Movement is gaining ground in Evangelical churches and Pentacostal churches faster then I could’ve imagined.

My prayer is that those who are involved in churches that do these things will leave, and those who practice Labyrinths and other Mystical Pagan Practices will repent and turn away from these evil things and turn to God once again.

It’s not New Age – I do it and I’m a Christian!

Great article gotten here:

http://sadparent.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/its-not-new-age-i-do-it-im-a-christian/

That’s what a Christian friend I hadn’t seen for a while told me when I hooked up with them recently. We had gotten into a discussion and I had made the comment, “Contemplative prayer is New Age”.

So let’s discuss it. Should Christians practice the same kind of things as Buddhist, Hindu’s and New Agers? Because they are all practicing Contemplative prayer, only they just call it meditation.

Check this out: “This book of the law shall not depart out of your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, that you may observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then you shall make your way prosperous, and then you shall have good success” Josh.1:8

Christian meditation is very different from Eastern meditation. Followers of Jesus Christ are not to sit in the lotus pose in an altered state of consciousness seeking the “God within” like pagans do. The Bible teaches that when Christians meditate our minds are to be fully engaged. We are never to go into a trance-state.

Did you know that the word ‘meditation’ in Hebrew means basically to speak or to mutter. When this is done in the heart it is called musing or meditation. So meditating on the Word of God day and night means to speak to yourself the Word of God day and night and to speak to yourself about it. And I can hear the Contemplatives telling me, “That’s what I’m doing!” And I say, no you’re not. A fully engaged mind in not in an altered state of consciousness.

“Sometimes you need to read a passage over and over…reflect on it…analyze it…and listen while the Holy Spirit speaks truth to you. A word of warning: Listening to God does not require that you “empty” your mind. This meditative practice, called Lectio divina a.k.a. spiritual formation…the silence…best known as contemplative (centering) prayer (CP). CP is a growing trend in evangelical churches despite the fact that this sort of prayer ritual comes from teaching associated with Catholic mystics such as Meister Eckhart, Ignatius of Loyola, St. John of the Cross, and St. Teresa of Avila. CP was reintroduced by Thomas Merton, Thomas Keating, Henri Nouwen, William Meninger, Basil Pennington and other mystics.”

“Many in the Emergent Church movement (ECM) are advancing Roman Catholic mysticism as well. Yet they insist on being seen as mainline evangelicals. ECM has not only introduced aberrant teaching into our churches, it undermines the authority of Scripture….Few have bothered to deny the Bible itself, they just misquote it, abuse its meaning, force their opinion on it, and if necessary mistranslate it to give the appearance that the Scriptures are backing their claims.”

On that last note, that teaching is what is slithering its way into the body of Christ today. Believers who do not practice Contemplative spirituality are looked at as though they don’t know how to ‘really touch God’, old fashioned, legalistic i.e. going thru the motions or not moving in the Spirit.

Southern Baptists are not immune. SBC is slowing beginning to mean Slowly Becoming Catholic. Check this out:
http://www.reformata.org/2010/07/priscilla-shirer-and-contemplativecentering-prayer/ LIFEWAY (SBC) heavily promotes Contemplatives, Beth Moore, Priscilla Shirer and Kay Arthur – all of them advocates of Contemplative Spirituality – and the women flock to the workshops featuring them.

Pastors, don’t ever think that you are above being taken in by Contemplative Spirituality because you don’t meditate the way they do. If you are promoting these workshops, then you are promoting New Age.

Did I help the person I spoke with step away from practicing this? The jury’s still out on that one. I only know that I shared the truth of God’s Word and the lessons I’ve learned about this deception taking place within the Body. Time will tell…

Emergent Church = Marxism

This pretty much explains how the Emergent Church is really a front for Marxism all along. If your church is involoved in “emerging” keep your ears and eyes opened, and especially be careful. It is a false gospel being preached and it will link right into the anti-christ one day. I’ve told you the truth. What you do with it now is your own buisness. But you can not say you were not warned of it’s dangers.

What does the emerging church look like? The world.

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