Apostate Rob Bell affirms Homosexuality

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This is what happens when pastors and preachers all through America could not discern Rob Bell in the first place. When you can not discern something from the beginning, you end up having to deal with a greater delusion later on.

Would not surprise me one bit, if Rob Bell himself comes out at some point and says he is a homosexual. Does that make me judging? I’ve done said, I have known/know lots of homosexuals through my lifetime and loved each and everyone of them. But I dare not help them stay in the kingdom of darkness, by affirming them in their behavior.

Justin Hoke: Rob Bell in a clear demonstration of loving the world, affirms homosexuality. God can and does save homosexuals, but not apart from repentance. You cannot be homosexual and a Christian at the same time. Some Christians may struggle with homosexual sinful desires, but Bell is not saying any of this, rather he is boldly calling good what God has called sin.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/rob-bell-on-gay-marriage-support-god-pulling-us-ahead-to-affirm-gay-brothers-sisters-92395/

“I believe God [is] pulling us ahead into greater and greater affirmation and acceptance of our gay brothers and sisters and pastors and friends and neighbors and coworkers,” former megachurch pastor and best-selling author Rob Bell explained just days after surprising the evangelical Christian community with his expressed support for same-sex marriage.

I have said this many times and will say it again: Not everyone is our sister and brother. What part of “you must be born – again” is it that these apostates do not get? http://redeemedhippiesplace.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/who-are-the-children-of-god/

The former Mars Hill Bible Church founder and controversial Love Wins author told Odyssey Networks in an interview published Wednesday that many people are “realizing that God makes some of us one way and some of us another, and it can be a beautiful thing.”

If Rob Bell is referring to homosexuality here, and I believe he is, then he building an image of God that is not true. It is a lying anti-christ spirit. To call beautiful what God has called sin, is a lie from hell. 

The video interview, titled “Why Rob Bell Supports Gay Marriage,” comes just days after the Michigan church founder visited San Francisco’s Grace Cathedral (the Episcopal Cathedral of the Diocese of California) in a promotional book tour to discuss his purpose for writing What We Talk About When We Talk About God, his views on evangelical Christianity and future projects he has lined up.

During that event, Bell was asked about his stance on same-sex marriage and he explained that he was “for marriage.”

“I am for fidelity. I am for love, whether it’s a man and a woman, a woman and a woman, a man and a man. I think the ship has sailed and I think that the church needs to just … this is the world that we are living in and we need to affirm people wherever they are,” he responded.

Really? Would that I am for love thingy include being able to marry your dog, goat or pig?

What Rob Bell really wanted to say was, “I think the ship has sailed and I think that the church needs to just get on board.” Do we affirm others as well? 

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. — 1 Corinthians 6:9 – 11 –

Some observers expressed disappointment with Bell’s unorthodox view and found his remarks surprising, although the popular Christian author has expressed similar views in the past, previously calling gays and lesbians who identify as Christians “passionate disciples of Jesus.”

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Brad Williams, an Alabama-based Baptist pastor, denounced Bell’s comments, calling it “disconcerting for a Christian leader to say that the church should simply get in line with whatever the culture says.”

“… one thing the Christian cannot do is ask Scripture to take a back seat to cultural whims. That is what Bell is asking of us,” Williams wrote for Patheos.

“The universal church simply cannot follow Bell where he is going. The church has to be clear, and her leaders ought to be clear about the Bible’s teachings.”

Amid the criticism Bell has received, Brian McLaren, a friend of Bell’s and a well-known pastor specializing in post-evangelical thought who is also gay-affirming, has commended him for his “courageous” remarks.

“I think this is further evidence that we are reaching a tipping point in our culture where marriage equality will be seen in much of the way as the struggle for women’s equality and for civil rights now are seen as we look back in our history,” McLaren, who has been identified as part of the controversial emergent church, said in a video interview also with Odyssey Networks. “It takes courage to make these kinds of statements when you’re an author and speaker as Rob and I are, but it’s especially painful for pastors and priests to work this out in the midst of pastoral ministry.”

Liar. No, it does not take courage. All one needs is compromise. It takes courage to stand for the truth.

In his new book, What We Talk About When We Talk About God, Bell shares his take on how some theological ideas present in mainstream Christianity are outdated and irrelevant to the changing times – and that God is in many ways steps ahead of these old ideas and is pulling people forward.

Out right apostacy! The Word of God says: Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, … — Hebrews 13:8,9 –

Who is Rob Bell to change the word of God?

“A lot of people when they say, ‘By God ahead do you mean by same-sex marriage?’ – Yes,” Bell said in his March 20 interview.

“We live in a world where we have friends, neighbors, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, people we journey with for years who are gay. And we need to love, affirm and all of us together work on the real problems that we have in the world. And I think that’s one of the things you’re seeing now, is you’re seeing God pull us all forward into a greater realization that we need more love, we need more fidelity, we need more monogamy, we need more people who are committed to each other.”

But no! We need more people who are committed to God, more committed to the truth!

“So this is a huge moment when I think lots of us are realizing that the old way of seeing things doesn’t work,” he added. “It causes so much pain and heartache and God’s inviting us to see things in new ways and we need to say ‘yes’ and then we need to step into the future together.”

Rob Bell and those who follow him, are of an anti-christ spirit. He is leading countless thousands right into the bowels of hell.

Bell also shared that he believes technology has played a major part in the shifting of many long-held views, saying that the Internet in particular has shown that people cannot live in their own “tribal bubbles” or “cocooned off” from the real world.

He added, “What happens when you are all suddenly exposed to thousands of different viewpoints is it can call your own into question and it can have this refining fire dimension to it when you realize that ‘wow, I’ve been living with a bunch of views and perspectives that don’t actually work and don’t actually bring life. So I need to be honest about that.’ And that can be painful, but it’s also liberating and that’s where the life is.”

What he is saying, is, it is ok to compromise the truth for the sake of getting something to work.

Bell, who left the Michigan congregation he founded in 1999 to move to California last year, is currently on a promotional tour for What We Talk About When We Talk About God. The former pastor, whose best-selling Love Wins book challenged traditional teachings on a literal, eternal hell and belief in Jesus Christ as a prerequisite for heaven, has also shared that he is developing a faith-inspired television show with “Lost” series creator Carlton Cuse.

And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. — Matthew 24: 4,5 –

Do popes preach the gospel?

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This brother speaks very well what has been in my heart concerning the pope. Hear him.

Link gotten here:

http://ianvincent.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/do-popes-preach-the-gospel/

No pope has ever preached the gospel and no pope ever will.

Could a genuine Christian man ever work his way up to be head of the Mafia? Will you ever find a Christian man at the top of a crime syndicate?

Likewise, will you ever find a real Christian man as head of the RCC? No.

If Paul the Apostle were here today would he have been elected pope ahead of Francis?

Of course not. Why?

They would hate him with a vengeance because he would preach the true Gospel of Jesus Christ to them and call them to repent. They would accuse Paul of having no love or compassion and of being narrow-minded, and of not respecting their traditions.

If the pope truly got saved and filled with the Holy Spirit he would immediately preach the truth about Jesus and he would testify that Jesus saved him from being an idol worshiper and a necromancer (one who prays to the dead, which is the occult and witchcraft) and that none of the things Catholics do in their religion ever makes them right in the sight of God, in fact the opposite: when they fellowship with and pray to idols they fellowship with demons.

He would tell them that it is by faith alone in the finished work of Christ on the Cross we are saved, and to add anything to the gospel means to forfeit Christ. It’s not Jesus plus Mary, or any rituals and superstitions, it is only Jesus. (If it’s only Jesus then they would be out of business: the whole religion becomes irrelevant)

He would call Catholics everywhere to smash their idols and burn all their magic fetishes.

Do you think that pope would live to see another day on this earth?

But if they would have elected Paul the Apostle as pope that’s what he would do.

But God will destroy the abominations of Rome: And the ten horns which you saw upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. — Revelation 17:8 –

What’s Wrong with the Queen James?

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Appreciation goes out to ontheway who brought the new Queen James “bible” to my attention. I thought I had been aware of it, but I had not. I suppose it is a good thing I have not known until now. Though it still sickens me, I’m kind of getting used to the fact that everything is becoming one big lie and deception to deceive all of humanity. Learning that the past few weeks has made me less angry and more willing to just go forth in truth. We are at war between good and evil, truth and lies. I am doing my best by the grace of God within me to not let the evil overcome me through my own rage against the filth and lies covering the earth.

Before the true haters come here accusing me of hate, I will ask, how many times have you sat with a loved one with AIDS in a hospital, helping to change their sweat soaked sheets, sitting quietly by their bed not knowing if they were going to live or die? Deeply loving them, desiring them to live and then thanking God when He showed mercy when He brought your loved one home. Your accusations mean nothing to me. Don’t dare come here and accuse me of “hate.” True hate is desiring to see others stay in the same bondage you are in just because it feels good to you and you do not want to be alone in your bondage.

I can’t really add anything to the following. It speaks for itself.

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Part 1: Heresies in “The Bible” TV series

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This will be part one of the heresies that will be covered in the “The Bible” series. I am just not able to focus on the entirety of it, right now. It has a very dark feel and makes me kind of ill to think so many people, including those within the Church are esteeming this as some great work. However, if you wish you can go one and read the rest of the article here.

Excerpt gotten here: http://beginningandend.com/the-bible-miniseries-hollywood-heresy/

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Here is that same account in the actual Bible:

And it came to pass, that, as the people pressed upon him to hear the word of God, he stood by the lake of Gennesaret, And saw two ships standing by the lake: but the fishermen were gone out of them, and were washing their nets. And he entered into one of the ships, which was Simon’s, and prayed him that he would thrust out a little from the land. And he sat down, and taught the people out of the ship. Now when he had left speaking, he said unto Simon, Launch out into the deep, and let down your nets for a draught. And Simon answering said unto him, Master, we have toiled all the night, and have taken nothing: nevertheless at thy word I will let down the net.

And when they had this done, they inclosed a great multitude of fishes: and their net brake. And they beckoned unto their partners, which were in the other ship, that they should come and help them. And they came, and filled both the ships, so that they began to sink. When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus’ knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord. For he was astonished, and all that were with him, at the draught of the fishes which they had taken: And so was also James, and John, the sons of Zebedee, which were partners with Simon. And Jesus said unto Simon, Fear not; from henceforth thou shalt catch men. And when they had brought their ships to land, they forsook all, and followed him.                – Luke 5:1-11 –

Notice Peter’s reaction to the miracle that Jesus had performed. He and his men were fishing all night and caught nothing. There was seemingly, no way to catch any. Yet Peter believed Jesus’ words and obeyed him. And after the miracle, Peter dropped to a position of worship and said “Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord.” Recognizing one’s own sin before the morally perfect God and Lord that is Jesus Christ, is key to going to Heaven. This is again a critical aspect of how a person is saved from the wrath of God and the lake of fire. Peter understood he was in the presence of Divine Power and did not feel worthy. Yet Jesus encourages him by inviting him to come with him to “catch men”, meaning bringing more people to believe in Christ. And Peter “forsook all”, meaning he gave up everything he was doing with his life on the spot, to follow Jesus. All of this is what a person has to do in order to go to Heaven. Acknowledging your sin, confessing it to God, believing in Jesus Christ and giving up your past life of sinful ways and letting your own heart rule, in order to follow Jesus and let Him be Lord of your life, is all a part of being a born again Christian.

Does The Bible Miniseries illustrate these powerful points? Not at all. Instead of being astonished and worshiping at the feet of Jesus, Peter asks him “How did this happen? What did you do?” as if he had no idea what was going on. The Jesus character (who looked like the renaissance era/Catholic depictions of Jesus) responds: “I am giving you the chance to change your life..giving up catching fish and I will make you a fisher of men.” Peter answers “What are we going to do?” showing he still does not really understand if Jesus is divine or why it would be necessary for people to know Jesus. And the Jesus character’s answer is “Change the world.”

Change the world how? I suspect it has more to do with bringing everybody together under the guise of peace and love, than actual repentence. Typical New Age thought.

No mention of sin, acknowledging of Jesus as God in the flesh or a real salvation message. Instead it is almost a social justice message. Jesus Christ did not come to change the world, He came to save it from its sin. Without understanding that sin is the greatest problem the world is facing, Jesus’ message could be changed to just helping the poor, or providing water wells to communities in drought or working in a homeless shelter. All these actions, while noble, will not get you to Heaven or make one right before God. This is the problem with many churches as they put overemphasis on “changing the world” without first changing the sinful heart that has led a person into sin and damnation, lest they believe the Gospel. And the false doctrines being preach today, while exciting are not Biblical. Do not be deceived.

Who are the Children of God?

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I cringe whenever I hear anyone refer to the whole human race as the children of God. Such as the snippet below taken from here:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/16/world/europe/vatican-new-pope/?hpt=hp_t2

The new pope concluded the audience — which did not include questions — with a blessing for all the journalists present and their families.

He acknowledged that not all those present were Catholic, saying he gave them his blessing “knowing that you are of different religions, because all of you are children of God.”

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Why should it bother me so? Because it is not true. Not all are the children of God. There is a distinction. But most people do not want to see it. After all, it feels good to passively sit back and believe you are a child of God, that He is your Father, when in fact, you may not be. This mind set is a lie, it is false assurance and will lead many to hell.

Jesus Himself clearly saw a distinction when He spoke to the religious Jews of His day. He told them:

Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.” — John 842-47

Image if you will, someone knocking on your front door and telling you, “Hey there, I’m your family. Let me in.” You are to automatically believe they are family members because they say so? Who would be so stupid to allow them in? Yet, that is exactly what Christians do when they allow any force/teaching, both from without and from within, make them feel/think/believe they have to accept everything on the basis of common peace/acceptance/tolerance.

To say that all are children of God is a lie. God is Creator of all, but that does not make Him Father of all.

For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together. — Romans 8:15 

Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure. — 1 John3:1,3 –

In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. — 1 John 3:10 –

Notice that Jesus even went as far as to call some, “the children of the devil.” He is our plumbline by which we look to. Not a pope, nor anyone else who would twist the Word of God.

This kind of mindset, that we all are one, that we all could hold hands and somehow sing Kumbaya as one big happy family, is a lie.

The Church is going to have to stand her ground in not accepting this New Age doctrine. Not everyone is God’s child. If Jesus made a distinction, then who is man or any other institution to teach differently? Now it does not mean, that we as Christians are to shun those who as of yet, to become children of God. God forbid. But neither are we to give anyone the false notion that they are ok with God as His child, when they are not. It is clear that some people live like devils. They talk like devils, they lie like devils, they walk like devils, they run about to and fro planning evil and deceptions. Don’t believe me? Just look at those in government. They would have us to believe they are children of the Most High, when they speak great smooth swelling words that tickle the ears of their followers. We are to say these are children of God? What about those who appear good on the outside; moral people, who happen to be decent and honest individuals. Does this automatically make them children of God? No. They are no more the children of God than the devils running amuck. The key is this:

But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. — John 1:12,13 –

It is a spirit of anti-christ to make people believe/feel/think that all are God’s children. Satan is a liar, there is no truth in him. He is a thief. He desires to steal everything that is good and corrupt it into his image. That is especially true for the Word of God — the truth.

Bride of Christ, if you can not discern who is a real child of God or not, if you go along with the flow of seeing the whole human race as your brother and sister, if you are willing to hold hands and sing some cutesy ditty that gives you have the warm fuzzies, if you look to any pope/man/institution to lay the ground work of what you believe, instead of the Word of God, there will come a day when you just may find yourself caught up in the newest and latest thing. Which will be on the level of a one world religion where everyone worships the same thing. But it will not be the One True God.

take heed to yourself, lest you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land where you are going, lest it be a snare in your midst. — Exodus 34:12 –

But know that the Lord has set apart for Himself him who is godly; … — Psalm 4:3 –

Is this preacher speaking about the One True God?

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Since when is the god Allah, the same God of Father Abraham, the same God of the Christian and Jew?

Did Allah have a son who he sent to earth as the perfect sacrifice to die for the sins of the world, who returned from the dead, so that all who should believe in Him should not perish but come to everlasting life? I don’t think so.

If your preacher is preaching this, you may want to leave.

garyzw: Adventist Pastor Dwight Nelson Teaches that Allah is God

An Answer to Choo Thomas Defenders

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Dale Schauer has written another article in response to Choo Thomas. Once again, please do not leave me comments in trying to uphold her. Brother Dale has done an exhaustive work in explaining the truth and I refuse to keep going around the same old mountain. Many people have been able to see the truth and have ran from her heresy. As for those who still want to cling to her delusions as THE truth, you are free to leave this place and believe what you will. But know this: you have been told the truth.

http://annointing.wordpress.com/2012/12/03/balaams-in-the-end-times/

Let’s review some grounded facts. First, the Lord God of Israel is sovereign and supreme over all. He can take the bad and can take unclean vessels and turn it around and use it for good (Romans 8:28). Second, His written Word the Bible is infallible and is to be our only true guide on how to live our lives. Third, we are living in the very last days where it is prophesied in the Bible that many false prophets will arise who will deceive even the most discerning if the days are not shortened. Fourth, Born Again Christians are to test everything and hold onto only those things that are totally true and good. With those four facts to stand on, we can now move on.

I received a comment from someone who supports the book ‘Heaven Is So Real’ by Choo Thomas. They stated that they were brought closer to God and repented of their sins after reading the book. I would now like to state some further facts. First, Choo claims that it is Jesus’ end time book and that it is a book of truth. Second, Choo’s book is filled from one end to the other with deception that is in direct opposition to what the Bible teaches (see PDF at at http://annointing.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/concerns-about-heaven-is-so-real.pdf

). Third, my Christian walk has been inspired by many secular books and movies. They have a way of pricking my conscience that the Holy Spirit then takes and uses it for good in my life. What makes these sources different is that they do not claim truth like Choo does for her book.

Now to get down to the bare bones of how we should treat Choo’s book as Christians. Because Choo’s book claims to be fact and in reality it is filled with deception, we are to stay clear of it and point out its deception to other believers. To promote it is sin.

Do you realize that God can use anyone for His glory? Remember Balaam? God used Balaam, a pagan prophet who was hired by Balak, to share with Balak the blessings that He intended for Israel. Balaam had just seen God speak through his donkey. After hearing the donkey speak, God opened Balaam’s eyes (Numbers 22:31) and effectively made Balaam understand that God and God alone would give him the words to speak to Balak. There were 7 prophecies Balaam gave to Balak in Numbers 23-24. Remember that Balak had offered to pay Balaam to contact the gods and curse Israel. After all, that was what Balaam was known for in all the land. However, Balaam did nothing of the sort this time as he allowed God to speak through him 7 different times, all of which were blessings rather than curses on the nation of Israel. After Balak realized he wasn’t getting what he wanted he sent Balaam on his way without paying him (Numbers 24:11). Later Balaam caused the Israelites to sin through his counsel (Numbers 31:16). These exploits later cost him his life (Joshua 13:22). We are warned three times throughout the New Testament to stay away from the errors of Balaam.

Judas Iscariot was a New Testament Balaam. There are many preachers in Hell right now who have led many souls to Christ during their time on earth. Paul warns, “But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified. (I Corinthians 9:27)”

Choo Thomas has gone the way of Balaam. She has placed a stumbling block before the children of God (Revelation 2:14). The book she wrote, “Heaven Is So Real’ clearly was not given to her by The Lord Jesus Christ. 100% proof of this is that it does not line up with the Word of God (see the PDF). As to being brought closer to God, and repenting of one’s sins after reading the book, as one commenter to my post wrote me, is just simply testimony that God can turn Satan’s devices around and use it for His glory. Remember, it all boils down to Jesus, and not to Choo Thomas or her book.

Unfortunately there are many Balaams that have infiltrated Christianity in the age we are living. Do not forget that we are accountable to use discernment. All things that claim to line up with the Word of God and fall short by even 1 percent we are to turn away from. Satan misused Scripture when tempting Jesus. Even though Satan quoted the Scripture correctly, he was rebuked because he twisted it. The commenter needs to give glory to Jesus and not support the book in any way. It does not get any clearer than 1 Thessalonians 5:21 that says, “Test all things; hold fast what is good.”

Numerous testimonies abound from Christians who suffered depression and confusion after reading ‘Heaven is so Real’. James 3:17 clearly states, “But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.”

To those who may have been touched by Choo’s book, a message of warning: let’s never get caught up in the worldly concept ‘The End Justifies The Means’ as far as it pertains to human efforts. Our job as Christians is to seek for Holy Spirit discernment on how to witness to people. Jude verses 22-23 says, “And on some have compassion, making a distinction; but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh.”

Benny Hinn on the Fall ’08 TBN Fleece-a-Thon 2

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I am not going to transcribe all of this mess. I am going to say, when they (false teachers and deceivers) say ‘peace and safety’ sudden destruction comes.

This is about blatant greed and lust for money. God is crying out to His children, Come out of her My people!

Benny Hinn: “Don’t be foolish and shove me off right now. I’m the best thing you’ve got right now.”

The pride and arrogance! I dare say YOU ARE NOT the best thing any of us can ever have!

“You do what I’m telling you. If you don’t, your future is black.”

WITCHCRAFT! MANIPULATION! FEAR TACTIC!

“Don’t sow seed when the annointing is absent.”

Got a seed you would like to sow in someone else’s minstry? Maybe some shelter for the poor or some little obscure man of God? According to Benny Hinn you must only sow it in the likes of his. After all, he tells us over and over he has the annointing. I would suggest sow your seed where no one will see or know but God. Consider where your seed goes when you give to the likes of TBN. It goes to millionaires, if not billionaries who have become RICH off the sheeple of God.

Hinn says God told him, “Prepare my people. Wealth transfer is on the way.” God said no such thing! This is a god of mammon speaking!

“He who refuses instruction will have poverty is what the Bible says.”

He pimps the Word for their own selfish gain! People of God, do not fear these men. Do not be afraid of their manipulations and deceits.

Maybe it is my imagination, but it appears Benny Hinn is becoming more and more of a manipulator.

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Latest Blasphemy: Jesus sex

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Some of you may be wondering why I do this — as there is nothing edifying about some of the things I put up. So what gives? It is this simple: Even though I get no joy by posting certain things, (makes me want to vomit) I can not but help believe there are those out there who are still part of the apostate movement in one way or the other. Maybe it will help, if you know that all of these people (Tod Bentley, Heidi Baker, Rodney Brown, John Crowder, Patricia King, Josh Mills, Rick Joyner, etc.) are intertwined together. They endorse one another when they stay silent about the mockery and blasphmey the other(s) commits. If you can still make excuses for a heretic like them, if you can still make excuses for the rest of the body that never questions their behavior and somehow still come out on the side of these deceivers — I WARN YOU. You are walking in a sensual and ungodly manner. One of mockery and blashphemeing the HOLY Ghost.

STOP judging those of us who see it and who are calling it for what it is: creating a jesus in their ungodly image! WAKE UP and run from the wrath to come that will come upon these mockers!

“I just release this heavy drunken glory…nipple that is squirting, sqeezing all over your faces.”

“Drunken glory. Shabby eye nipple heaven. I release it …in a toxicated milk upon ya. In the name of…” (Laughter –BLATENT MOCKERY HERE)

“In the shoobie doobie juice.”

Starting at 3:35 “It’s a release of the drunken glory joy from the intimacy of having spiritual sex with Jesus. A little (Here he makes obscene gestures with his hands simulating sexual intercourse) boinkee boinkee. Hokey pokey, boinkee boinkee with jesus.”

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. God will NOT be mocked!

Benny Hinn $1,000 Seed EXPOSED

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Do you feel compelled to give everytime some preacher or “prophet” tells you to give money to them? You may be sitting under a spirit of Witchcraft. Does something about it go against you, making you feel like you are not as spiritual or annointed as the man or woman speaking? Precious Bride of Christ, that is not God putting that on you. It is manipulation and control. Run from those who make merchandise of you!

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Part 1: Todd Bentley, Fires of Kundalini and the Demon Samael

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One of the best articles on Tod Bentley I have found. Gotten here:

http://www.deceptionbytes.com/Todd-Bentleys-Fire-of-Kundalini

I just finished reading Todd Bentleys, three part series Angelic Hosts. It is seriously one of the most disturbing and dangerous things I have ever read. It seems that the more I prayerfully look into Todd Bentley the deeper I am led into his dark world of Gnosticism, mysticism, and the occult.  My prayer for you is that you will honestly examine the things he teaches and the manifestations present in his ministry in the light of scripture.

 In Todd Bentley’s Article Angelic Hosts Bentley issues the invitation to eat from the Tree of Life. “I see angels bringing some of you to the tree of life. Remember how God, in Genesis 3:24, sent the cherubim to guard the way to the tree of life because man had sinned. God took Adam and Eve out of the garden. But today the Lord wants to bring some of us into that place where we taste the fruit of the tree of life. I want you to get involved right now and say:
 Father, please give us that fruit. Lord let those angels bring us right into the place where you have prepared a table for us in the presence of our enemies. Give us the divine life that comes from that tree so we can taste and see that the Lord is good. Angelic Hosts, Todd Bentley. Fresh Fire Ministries
 
Now let’s compare this with GOD’s word. 
 
Genesis 2:15-17 (NKJV)
Then the LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to tend and keep it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”
Genesis 3
1 Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?”
2 And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’”
4 Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die.5 For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
11 And He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat?”
12 Then the man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate.”
13 And the LORD God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
22Then the LORD God said, Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”— 23 therefore the LORD God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. 24 So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the Garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.
 So we see in scripture that God has placed an Angel at the east of garden to guard against ANYONE eating of this tree lest they should live forever. 
 Bentley seems to be a frequent guest of Patricia King’s ”Extreme Prophetic”  Televsion show. On one of these occasions he described a face to face encounter with Jesus. Not a vision- no- he claims he had a face to face encounter! Jesus steps out of heaven and comes to Todd as a man- interesting. Does Todd fall on his face and worship Jesus? No. Todd also claims that Jesus had ten rainbows emanating from him. (You can view this video here: http://www.deceptionbytes.com/Todd-Bentley-New-Age-Christ
 Now if you recall, at the beginning of the Florida Outpouring, Todd claimed that God had requested that he lay hands on everyone present for ten nights of special transfer- (I mean impartation). If you look very deeply into Todd Bentley,  you will find he has a fondness for the number ten. Is there any significance to the number ten? Ask anyone with knowledgeable of the occult. and they will tell you.  Let’s go deeper.
 Just as the tree of life has significance to the Christian through what it signifies in the book of Genesis, so too does it have significance to mystics and occultists. Manly P. Hall, in, The Secret Teachings of All Ages, writes, “…the Tree of Life is the appointed symbol of the Mysteries and by partaking of its fruit man attains immortality.”
 Nevill Drury, in his Dictionary of Mysticism and the Occult, claims that “The occult Tree of Life is a path in which the initiate—the occult student—discovers and experiences the “inner light” (also called the “inner Christ”). It is a system of spiritual doctrines which opens up the mind and the soul to a new level of understanding—“salvation comes from within.”
 Below is a picture of the cultic or Kabalic Tree of Life. Let’s look at what it symbolizes
TheTree of Life is an arrangement of ten interconnected circles or spheres (called sephiroth) which represent the central organizational system of the Jewish Kabalistic tradition. (Kabala is a mystical interpretation of the Torah (Hebrew Bible), and claims insight into divine nature.)
According to Wikipedia, each sephirah (circle or sphere)  is considered to be an emanation of the divine energy (often described as ‘the divine light’) which ever flows from the unmanifest, through Kether( Kether is the top circle or sphere)  into manifestation. This flow of light is indicated by the lightning flash (see illustration) which passes through each sephirah in turn according to their enumerations.
 So we see that each circle or (sephirah) is a center of divine energy and each has a number of attributes. The path between them is called the lightening path.The lightning flash of the Tree of Life is a flash that zigzags down from Kether (the crown) through the ten spheres to Malkuth (the kingdom). This is what occultist’s mystics, Gnostics and kabbalists refer to when they refer to the tree of life.

Part 2: Tod Bentley, Fires of Kundalini and the Demon Samael

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Now let’s look at Kundalini and then we will  begin to tie some things together. Kundalini is an ancient occult practice with its roots in India. It involves bodily manifestations as a consequence to the ‘Awakening of an individual’s Kundalini’, and is related to several other occultist practices. You don’t have to deviate too far to notice the express relationship between Kundalini, Chakras, the Tree of Life/Kabbalah and higher occultist practices
 Listen to how the website biologyofkundalini.com describes this Kundalini power. While Kundalini is active we ignite (ignite is also incidentally the name of the church where the Florida Healing Revival was touched off) those around us simply with our presence with a power that works directly from body to body, heart to heart–like a contagion.
 Now keep in mind that Todd wad instructed to lay hands on everyone present in his meetings for ten nights of special impartation. He described this transferable “anointing” as the most contagious he had ever experienced.
 The following excerpt was taken from newchristian.org.uk: and is referring to a gentleman’s uneasy feeling toward Bentley.
“The one other very worrying statement I heard him make that evening was this: “I used to feel the anointing in my hand; now I feel it in my spine.” His mention of the spine rang bells in my memory, so I did a search on Google and found that the KUNDALINI (demonic) snake/serpent spirit is acknowledged by KUNDALINI devotees as taking up residence in the spine. Given that the main emphasis of Todd’s ministry at Lakeland is the impartation of “the fire” to other countries, churches and ministries around the world, makes this “impartation” aspect one of great concern, lest another spirit is involved.”
 Now let’s look at the following common manifestations of the risen Kundalini in occult practices.
  • Muscle twitches, cramps or spasms.
  • Energy rushes or immense electricity circulating the body
  •  Itching, vibrating, prickling, tingling, stinging or crawling sensations
  •  Intense heat or cold
  • Involuntary bodily movements,  jerking, tremors, shaking; feeling an inner force pushing one into postures or moving one’s body in unusual ways. 
  • Alterations in eating and sleeping patterns
  • Episodes of extreme hyperactivity or, conversely, overwhelming fatigue
  • Intensified or diminished sexual desires
  • Headaches, pressures within the skull
  • Racing heartbeat, pains in the chest
  • Digestive system problems
  • Numbness or pain in the limbs (particularly the left foot and leg)
  • Pains and blockages anywhere; often in the back and neck
  • Emotional outbursts; rapid mood shifts; seemingly unprovoked or excessive episodes of grief, fear, rage, depression
  • Spontaneous vocalizations (including laughing and weeping) — are as unintentional and uncontrollable as hiccoughs
  • Hearing an inner sound or sounds, classically described as a flute, drum, waterfall, birds singing, bees buzzing but which may also sound like roaring, whooshing, or thunderous noises or like ringing in the ears.
  • Mental confusion; difficulty concentrating
  • Altered states of consciousness: heightened awareness; spontaneous trance states; mystical experiences (if the individual’s prior belief system is too threatened by these, they can lead to bouts of psychosis or self-grandiosity)
  • Heat, strange activity, and/or blissful sensations in the head, particularly in the crown area.
 Now let us compare it to some of the common symptoms as related on the website newchristian.org.uk 
 ”These are the effects that I have witnessed on people who have attended this movement and either have had hands laid on them or claim to have been imparted with “the spirit”:
  • They come back with this kind of childlike drunken stupor.
  • Descriptions of a burning sensation either in their veins, heads or stomachs.
  • Descriptions of being washed back and forth like the waves in the ocean;
  • Dancing about like drunk… 
  •  Inappropriate yelling and screaming like they’re at a football game;
  • Young men whistling over and over and holding their heads and  claiming that they “feel the Holy Spirit about to split them in two”; 
  • One young man’s back two teeth turned completely too some metalic finish
  •  People with their eyes rolled in the back of their heads and weaving around like they’re lost.
  • Women just gyrating and pulsating like they’re being ravaged from behind from some unseen force.
  • Drunken uncontrollable laughter in the middle of a solemn prayer time.
  • People being “slain in the spirit”… just falling down and being  unable to move (like something’s holding them down)…”  
According to the website “enlightened beings” the most important thing to know and remain aware of, is that a Kundalini Awakening contains the most unbelievable expanded states of  reality, enlightenment, and absolute ecstasy.  Not to mention that you’ve just befriended the greatest healing energy available inside you and extremely contagious to all human beings. 
Wow- this occultist website is describing the Kundalini awakening as the greatest healing energy available AND extremely contagious. Sound familiar?
 This website goes on to explain that a Kundalini awakening can be an experience that feels like the greatest blessing in the entire world, or the worst curse you have ever encountered.  It simply depends on one thing.  Whether you know that you are an infinite soul that will never die, OR you still believe you are this physical non-spiritual mortal body.  Your perspective is everything when it comes to a million watts of energy pouring through you.  The bigger and more inclusive your perspective is on each experience, the easier it will be for your body mind to accept the Kundalini.
So in essence they are saying that we have to KNOW that we are an infinite soul who will never die to make it easy for the mind body to accept the Kundalini. How can we know this? By partaking of the tree of life of course. Remember Todd’s words?
Father, please give us that fruit. Lord let those angels bring us right into the place where you have prepared a table for us in the presence of our enemies. Give us the divine life that comes from that tree so we can taste and see that the Lord is good.  Angelic Hosts Todd Bentley. Fresh Fire Ministries
 So why does Todd Bentley insist on laying hands on everyone present in his meetings even when they number in the thousands (which by the way would exhaust the very strongest among us)? Because he needs to lay hands on to transfer the power or energy. This power or energy in the occult is called the shakipat. “Shakti”means power or energy, and “pat” means transfer.  Kundalini awakening or (shaktipat) is the infusion of energy from the spiritual master to the seeker, bringing about the awakening of the seeker’s own inherent spiritual power, called “Kundalini.”
 According to inplainsite.com  “Few Christians realize that for thousands of years gurus have operated with gifts of healing, miracles, gifts of knowledge, and intense displays of spiritual consciousness as they stretch out and connect with a cosmic power which, though demonic in origin, is very real. The meetings which mystic Hindu gurus hold are called ‘Darshan’. At these meetings devotees go forward to receive spiritual experience from a touch by the open palm of the hand, often to the forehead, by the guru in what is known as the Shakti Pat or divine touch. The raising of the spiritual experience is called raising Kundalini……  
After a period when the devotee has reached a certain spiritual elevation they begin to shake, jerk, or hop or squirm uncontrollably, sometimes breaking into uncontrolled animal noises or laughter as they reach an ecstatic high. These manifestations are called ‘Kriyas’. Devotees sometimes roar like lions and show all kinds of physical signs during this period. Often devotees move on to higher states of spiritual consciousness and become inert physically and appear to slip into unconsciousness when they lose sense of what is happening around them. This state is called ‘Samadhi’ and it leads to a deeper spiritual experience.’
For a dramatic illustration view the following this is being done under the guise of the Holy Spirit even though we have no biblical precedent for these kinds of manifestations see video Holy Ghost or Kundalini. http://www.deceptionbytes.com/HolySpirit-or-Kundalini

Part 3: Todd Bentley, Fires of Kundalini and the Demon Samael

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http://www.deceptionbytes.com/Todd-Bentleys-Fire-of-Kundalini

The following is an account of what took place in one professor’s life when an assistant to Swami Muktanada ran a peacock feather across the “third eye” in the center of his forehead. 
 “I saw a bolt of lightning, like a pyramid of light. I began literally bouncing off the floor and trembling. I cried. I felt tremendous energy, love, and joy. What I had experienced, I later learned, had been ‘shaktipat or spiritual awakening of Kundalini energy inside me…” [Professor Michael Ray, Stanford Graduate School of Business]
 In the occult or kabbalist tradition Samael or Samuel is an angel and is also referred to as the Peacock Angel  (thus the peacock feather) or the Angel of Death.  The third eye according to Wikipedia is the gate that leads within to inner realms and spaces of higher consciousness. In New Age spirituality, the third eye may alternately symbolize a state of enlightenment or the evocation of mental images having deeply-personal spiritual or psychological significance. The third eye is often associated with visions, clairvoyance, precognition, and out-of-body experiences, and people who have allegedly developed the capacity to use their third eyes are sometimes known as seers.  It is sometimes symbolized by a flaming eye. Interesting enough Bentley has a large flaming eye tattooed on his left arm. A tattoo by the way that he got about a year ago, well after his “conversion”.
 Now I want to show you something that was taken from Todd Bentleys Angelic Hosts article and written in his own words.
 ”These throne-room realities began to be revealed to me in the meeting in Iowa as I gave thanks to God for the angelic beings. I made a conscious effort to remember that angels are in the spirit realm (why did he have to make a conscious effort to remember that they were in the spirit realm- people who encountered Angels in scripture certainly never had to remind themselves they were in the presence of angels- they were terrified) As soon as I did that, throughout the service people were caught up into prophetic experiences. People in the service either saw a vision, heard heaven or smelt, touched, felt or had some kind of supernatural experience. Many people literally began to see the same open-eyed vision while others began to have different visions. It didn’t matter whether the lights were on or off or whether people’s eyes were open or closed.”
Bentley goes on to say that  “Even unsaved people in the meeting who were into Transcendental Meditation began to see the lightning’s of God manifest in the physical realm. They saw lightning bolts zip across the room for two and a half hours. (Did these unsaved people fall on their faces and worship God? If they did Todd never tells us about it). The congregation began to freak out. This prophetic download went on until 11:30 that night. It was the kind of thing you read about in the old Maria Woodworth-Etter meetings. (Maria Woodworth-Etter is possibly the source for many of the aberrant doctrines taken up by the New Order of the Latter Rain in the late1940′s)Children coming into the service began to see angels. People began to scream out, “I’m in a trance and Jesus is coming to me” or others, all at the same time, would shout, “We are in a garden.” (hmmm..what Garden would that be?)Then I would see a lightening bolt and shout out, “Did you see it?” In response, many others would yell, “I saw it!” The lightnings of God were manifesting. The meeting became pandemonium for two and a half hours. Then the Lord spoke to me about the thunder and lightning which proceed from the throne. I said, “Do you know where we are right now guys? We are in the throne room.”
 Bentley then states that “In retrospect, I realize that the only thing to get us into the throne room was my conscious decision to think about what it looked like in the heavenlies at that moment in the service. I had also begun to acknowledge the angelic realm.  (Did you catch Todd states that the only thing that got them into this throne room to and to experience this lightening was his conscious decision. He just thought about it and they were there). So it appears that there is something about the angelic host that brings spiritual experiences. Are you ready for these types of experiences today?!” (Umm… no)
 Now let’s take a look at the Angel Samuel or Samael as it relates to Todd Bentleys “ministry”. The following was taken from a book of the occult entitled, The Great Encyclopedia of Angels: The Truth about Angels, by Aryella Jupiter.  
 Samael is The Angel of Death as known in Jewish lore, and The Peacock Angel (Tavas Malakh). He is the sovereign of the 6th Heaven and the Underworld. Samael seems to have a very ambiguous role, where on one side he is known to be the brightest light of all heavens, and on other side he is responsible to oversee the punishment of the iniquitous and the Underworld. He is the one who inspire and empowers the secret societies, especially Illuminati. He is 6’6″ tall with long straight white hair two inches below shoulders (formerly golden blond,) baby blue eyes and gorgeous features.
 Now remember that, this angel has blonde hair, blue eyes, shoulder length blonde hair and is gorgeous. Now lets look at Bentleys description of one of the angels that visit him (taken from Bentley’s article, Angelic Hosts) I had another angel come to me looking like he was about 6′ 4″ tall with 24″ biceps. He was cut with rippling muscles and wore a golden sash about his waist. He had blond, shoulder-length hair and blue eyes-the hunk of hunks. We are talking better than Fabio, OK. 
 Wikipedia describes Samael as follows:  Samael (also Samael) is an important archangel in Talmudic and post-Talmudic lore, as well as Christian tradition and demonology.  He is viewed as the evil Angel of Death. He is a prince of demons and a magician. He was a guardian angel of Esau and a patron of the sinful empire of Rome. Samael is sometimes considered to be the true angelic name of Satan. The etymology of his name is sometimes thought to be a combination of ‘Sam’, meaning “poison/venom”, and ‘el’, meaning “of God”; thus he is the “poison of God”.
 Now let us view this knowledge in light of the following statement Todd makes in Angelic Hosts. “Recently, I had an angel come to me in Kansas City. He said, “Todd, my name is Promise, and I’ve come to bring the fulfillment of God’s promises. I’ve come to bring the fulfillment of the prophetic words spoken to intercessors. I have come for those who have been like Hannah-they have prayed, waited and carried a promise in their hearts. There will come a time when God has heard and I will release the Samuel,”
 According to Satanic theology it was Azazel, also known as Samael (“Venomous God”), who tempted Adam and Eve with the Fruit of Knowledge in the form of a serpent. He was also the one who inspired the people of Babel to make the technological feat of building their Tower. It was by teaching these various forbidden arts and by inspiring humanity to “reach for the stars” and take control of their environments that Azazel had fallen out of favor with the Abrahamic deity (God).
 So in light of all of this I ask you the following. Do you really want to partake of the fruit of the Tree of Life this side of heaven? Do you want to experience the “fire” of this impartation with all its manifestations? Do you really want to have dealings with Todd’s angels? It is amazing to me that people will cling to the argument that if people are being healed it must be God. Kundalini is cultic but is said be one of the greatest healing forces. Remember the magicians in Moses day were able to replicate most of the miracles Moses performed. People again and again say -”but look at the fruit- fruit is fruit right”? I refuse to eat the fruit of a poisonous plant no matter how “hungry” I am.
Jerimiah 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.
Mathew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mathew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect.
2Cr 11:13 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness
 Carl Teichrib , a researcher on world religions sums it up beautifully, “The bottom line is this: the quest for the mystical Tree of Life is simply the desire to take the Garden of Eden by force, tear down whatever barriers stand in the way of its fruit, and by man’s own hand taste immortality. The result will be catastrophic for the individual who, through the occult and the works of magic, attempts to gain “everlasting life” outside of God’s prescribed way—“the way and the truth and the life”—Jesus Christ.

False Foundation of the Five-Fold Ministry

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Too many churches and Christians have a false notion that we must be submissive to anyone who calls themself an apostle, prophet, teacher, pastor or evangelist. This sets up little kingdoms of men with their little powers that be, that we must line up under them or else we are rebellious, etc.  

Let’s say I have no pastor now (in which I don’t), do I go out and run myself crazy trying to find one? Knowing all along no doubt this pastor more or less will have been infected one way or another with the modern day gospel teachings of Rick Warren, Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, etc? 

And if I do decide to sit under his teachings, then am I to keep my mouth shut because well golly gee, he is just so important because the powers to be over him say so?

I recently was told I need a “shepherd.” Excuse me, but Jesus is my Shepherd. I also have a husband who loves me as Christ loves the church. I know my place.  If and when my husband ever tells me I need a pastor, then I will take it a little more seriously. But until then, I will use my brain and continue to test all things that come my way.

It does not get any more simple than this; Hello! The church is in a state of apostacy. I will not line up under those who teach abomnible things and who want sheeple to help build their little kingdoms.

Following article makes sense to me.

http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/16/false-foundation-of-five-fold-ministry/#more-7193

by Robert M. Bowman, Jr.

It has recently become popular to speak of “the five-fold ministry,” a system of church government with apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers. The neo-Pentecostal “Restoration” movement and its offshoot, “kingdom now” teaching, claims that one of the things which God is “restoring” to the church is this five-fold ministry. The sole prooftext used to support this concept is Ephesians 4:11-13, which states that Christ gave “some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,…until we all attain to the unity of the faith and the full knowledge of the Son of God.” The word “until,” it is argued, proves that the church today needs apostles and prophets as much as evangelists, pastors, and teachers. However, it is the “building up” of the church (v.12) which must continue until the church is mature, not all five of the offices listed in verse 11. This is clear when the whole text is read as follows: “And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers; [these offices were given] to equip the saints for the work of service, [which work has as its goal] to build up the body of Christ until we all attain to the unity of the faith…” The offices of apostle and prophet would naturally cease in the church once their role in “equipping the saints” was completed; that is, once the New Testament canon was completed.

Some have objected that there is no reason to bracket off the apostles and prophets from the other three offices listed in verse 11. However, in the very same epistle, Paul states that the church has “been built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets” (Eph. 2:20) and that Christ’s mystery concerning the church was “revealed to His holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit” (3:5). These statements indicate that the role of apostles and prophets was fulfilled in the first century.

The New Testament is particularly clear about the temporary role of the apostles, since they were chosen to give eyewitness testimony of the risen Christ (Acts 1:21-26; 5:32; Luke 1:1-4; 1 Cor. 9:1). Paul indicated that he was the last person to see the risen Christ and receive an apostolic commission (1 Cor. 15:8). The epistles of 2 Peter and Jude, among the very last New Testament writings to be penned, exhort the readers to avoid false doctrines by recalling the teachings of the apostles (2 Pet. 1:12-15; 2:1; 3:2, 14-16; Jude 3-4, 17). Peter and Jude did not say, “Listen to the apostles living today,” but instead urged believers to “remember what the apostles said.”

I am not arguing that only the Twelve and Paul were apostles. Barnabas (Acts 14:14), Silas (1 Thess. 2:6; cf. 1:1), and Andronicus and Junia (Rom. 16:7) all were apostles of Christ, and thus were no doubt among the more than 500 witnesses to the Resurrection (1 Cor. 15:6). However, none of these persons was chosen as a successor to an earlier apostle (Matthias was Judas’s replacement, not his successor, since Judas had forsaken his apostleship, Acts 1:21-26).

There are other senses in which the word “apostle” is used in the New Testament. Certain individuals, including Epaphroditus, were “apostles of the churches” (2 Cor. 8:23; Phil. 2:25). These “apostles” had no authority over the church; they were messengers sent by and subject to their churches. In this latter sense it would be perfectly legitimate to speak of church representatives as “apostles,” were it not for the confusion which might result from such usage.

Therefore, in the usual biblical sense of the term, there are no apostles today. Nor are there any prophets in the usual sense, as they were part of the “foundation” laid in the first-century church. This is not to deny the continuing validity of the gift of “prophecy,” since Paul does refer to prophesying as a basic activity in which all Christians are urged to participate to the extent God gifts them (Rom. 12:6; 1 Cor. 11:4-5; 12:10; 13:2, 8-9; 14:1-6, 20-33; 1 Thess. 5:20), and in a general functional sense persons exercising this gift are even called “prophets” (1 Cor. 14:32,37). Yet Paul also speaks of specific persons who occupied an office of “prophet” which was second in authority only to apostle (1 Cor. 12:28-29). It is this office of “prophet,” not all prophecy, which I am arguing passed away around the end of the first century.

Finally, some errors on this matter are worse than others. The loose use of the word “apostle” to refer to missionaries or church planters is not a serious error as long as this usage is sharply distinguished from the concept of an apostle who brings new doctrinal revelations and wields unquestionable authority. Nor is it a grievous error to interpret Ephesians 4:11 to refer to “apostles” in this sense of a church planter. The same would apply to those who hold that Ephesians 4:11 refers to the ongoing charismatic activity of prophesying. I do believe these interpretations are mistaken, but they are not in any way antagonistic to Christian faith.

On the other hand, to interpret Ephesians 4:11 as a call for a restoration of the office of apostle of Christ is not only a mistake in exegesis, it opens the door to heresy. To claim that the church today needs visions and revelations through modern apostles and prophets of Christ is to deny the sufficiency of the Bible (2 Tim. 3:16) and to place the church at the mercy of false apostles, the likes of whom the apostle Paul warned us about in no uncertain terms (2 Cor. 11:13-15).

The teachers of the “five-fold ministry,” in seeking to “restore” a foundation which has never been moved, are actually laying a false foundation which will not support the building up of the body of Christ.

HERESY: Rick Joner’s Church of Altered States

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Video that does a good job showing how music, theatrics and timing can bring altered states of consciousness during “worship” services.

Two grown men lay on the floor next to one another as if this something godly. I ask, are you able to see Jesus and his disciples behave in such a way? Dancing to voodoo music, manipulating people to act like dumb sheep? And they credit this bedlam to God? If you are involved in this, please ask yourself why and begin testing things.

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Apostate Teaching: Sowing Seed

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Why pray and ask God for anything, when all you have to do is sow in an apostate’s teaching and create your own reality through witchcraft?

“I planted a 58 dollar seed for my handicapped son. I did not have enough money to take care of him so he ended up getting placed in a group home. I focused on the seed to bring him back.”

Did not have the money to take care of the son, yet had money to send to an apostate! Also, no praying, no asking God, no trusting in God, but trusting in 58 bucks! Focusing on 58 bucks!

“Exactly 58 days later I found out the money which was going to him for the group home can be sent to me if I bring him home! It is an extensive amount which means I do not have to work and and will have the money to take care of his physical needs.”

Mike Murdock: This is not for everybody.

I’ll say! It certainly is not for anybody who can use their brain! 

Mike Murdock: Delayed obediance becomes disobediance.

Such manipulation and witchcraft! The ol’ guilt routine. Don’t send him the money and you are guilty of some great sin! The man is a liar and a deceiver!

Mike Murdock prayer: Father, if what I have said about sowing and reaping is just for Mike Murdock personal gain, may a curse be on me and my ministry. May my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth. If what I’ve said about sowing and reaping is the Word of God, I decree 12 months of miracles…”

It is only by the mercy of God that man’s tongue did not fall out of his mouth right then and there!  His ministry is already cursed because it is full of witchcraft! 

Does The Shack Change The Way We Think About God? Should It?

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This exposes the Shack better than anything I have found. I did not have to go out and buy the book in order to know the lies within it. Article gotten here and written by Lynn Barton:

http://www.pastordale.com/articles.asp?printable=yes&specific=199

THE SHACK: CHANGING THE WAY WE THINK ABOUT GOD

Have you read and enjoyed The Shack, or do you have friends who have? First published in 2007, The Shack has been a blockbuster in the Christian world and beyond, selling over five million copies. This summer even Forbes magazine took notice, publishing a piece about author Paul Young. On the book jacket Kathy Lee Gifford exults, “The Shack will change the way you think about God forever!” I first heard about it a year ago, when several people urged me to read it, but I put it off due to lack of time. As the recommendations kept coming, I checked out some reviews from trusted sources like Tim Challies and Chuck Colson. Their comments concerned me, and I planned to skip it.

When the next friend raved about it, I asked her about some of the problems these critics had raised. She didn’t have any answers to the questions, but she was offended by them. She insisted I had to read the book to be able to understand it, and had no right to criticize until I had. Finally, as even more people recommended it, I decided to read it, if only to earn the right to say something about it when the subject came up again.

What I found there was deeply shocking to me. Not so much what the book contains, but that so many Christians have fallen in love with it. This article has been many months in the making, as I have wrestled over how and what to say, praying for wisdom and a soft heart. Because the book has most touched people who are hurting, I hate the thought of taking away something precious to them.  Here is my challenge: if you love Jesus, then you love the truth, because he calls himself the Truth. For Jesus’ sake, won’t you please pray and ask God to show you the truth about this novel?

But first, a question. Do you believe what the Bible says about itself? “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work” (2 Tim. 3:16-17). 

If you don’t believe that the Bible is God’s inspired, infallible revelation to humanity, then you probably won’t want to bother reading further. But if you do believe this, then we have common ground. I am going to compare what the novel says about God with what God says about himself in his Word. This is what the Bereans did when they first heard the strange new teaching about Christ. “Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true” (Acts 17:11). Since The Shack represents itself as a Christian book, it is critical to test what it says. God’s Word is the lens through which we ought to view every spiritual teaching. If that teaching contradicts what God says, then we must reject it. 

Some may argue that The Shack is not a Christian book. A certain plausible deniability could even be part of its appeal in non-Christian circles. After all, The Shack’s  Jesus character himself says, “I’m not a Christian.” But since it is still #2 on the Christian booksellers list, clearly legions of believers see it as a Christian book. It is loaded with Christian terms (though no scripture at all, not one verse or even part of a verse), and it presents itself as the true way to a relationship with God.

There are so many reviews already. Why I am I jumping in? Because most reviews are low on detail. Without specifics, you pretty much have to take the reviewer’s word for it. The popularity of The Shack is increasing, if anything. That’s why Tim Challies has just written his own expanded review, seventeen pages. Mine is several pages shorter, so take your pick. I do urge you to learn some of the details about this book, because it is changing how millions think about God. And with apologies to Martha Stewart, it’s not a good thing.

Popular for a Good Reason

The Shack explores perhaps the most delicate question with which human beings wrestle: what to make of unexplained, seemingly unjust suffering. This is especially painful for those who believe in a God of love and a life of purpose. The Shack presents a God whose greatest desire is that people should know of his deep love for them, no matter how horrific their life experience. Those I’ve asked what it was they loved most about the book have told me that it helped them better grasp and believe in God’s personal love for them, as they grappled with deep pain and loss in their lives.

Author Paul Young can speak with authenticity to broken hearts, having experienced great suffering in his life. Born to missionary parents, he was sexually abused as a child and later lost a younger brother and a niece. Out of these painful experiences and the questions about God they raised, he created the story of Mack, whose little daughter is kidnapped and murdered on a family camping trip. His healing begins when he spends a weekend with God in the very shack where her body was found.

Who wouldn’t want to follow the story of a man’s encounter with God in a situation like that? Few of us have suffered what many would consider the worst of all traumas: the murder of your own child. What will God say to Mack? If Mack can get some answers, if his heart can begin to heal, maybe we can too. It’s no wonder The Shack has touched a nerve.

A Manifesto of Bitterness

Early on in the story, we learn that Mack had grown up with an abusive father, causing him to suspect that God was like his dad: “brooding, distant, and aloof.” Seeking answers, Mack even attended seminary. He found no help there, nor did he find any in church. When his daughter is murdered, it only confirms his suspicions about God. Then, three and a half years later, Mack finds in his mailbox a mysterious note from God, inviting him to meet at the shack where his daughter’s body had been found. As Mack mulls this over, he reflects on his seminary experience, which he had hoped would connect him with God, but instead left him feeling more distant than ever:

“In seminary he had been taught that God had completely stopped any overt communication with moderns, preferring to have them only listen to and follow sacred Scripture, properly interpreted, of course. God’s voice had been reduced to paper, and even that paper had to be moderated and deciphered by the proper authorities and intellects. It seemed that direct communication with God was something exclusively for the ancients and uncivilized, while educated Westerners’ access to God was mediated and controlled by the intelligentsia. Nobody wanted God in a box, just in a book. Especially an expensive one bound in leather with gilt edges, or was that guilt edges? “ (pg. 63).

Wow. Packed within this one paragraph are at least seven charges against historic Christianity, charges that will be unpacked and expanded in the rest of the novel.

1. Authority is inherently unjust and abusive; used by elites to keep the rest of us from knowing God directly.

2. The Bible “reduces” God’s voice to words on a page.

3. We don’t need preachers or professors (“authorities and intellects”) to help us understand the Bible, if we read it at all, which we probably shouldn’t, because all it will do is make us feel guilty (“guilt edges”).

4. Guilt is not a real problem, but imposed, apparently by the Bible or those who use it to exercise their unjust authority.

5. Thinking (“intellect”) gets between us and experiencing God.

6. Seminary is not only a waste, but harmful, because it separates people from directly knowing God.

7. A hint that Eastern spirituality is superior to Western (since Western “mediated” Christianity is “controlled by the intelligentsia”).

All this is introduced while our guard is down, because we are not listening to a theological argument, but to the tortured thoughts of a man in pain.

It’s totally understandable that Mack, the victim of an abusive father, would view all authority as illegitimate, and that he would want direct communication with God, apart from the mediation of some authority. This would not be a point of criticism for me if God is going to show Mack that the problem is not authority itself, but the abuse of it. But as the story unfolds, Young’s God will validate not only Mack’s rejection of authority, but every single one of the above charges. Not only that, Young does it by using familiar Christian terms into which he pours his own, alien meanings. Changing meanings of words is confusing at best. At worst, it is deceptive and seductive, drawing the reader into what seems like familiar territory, but is in fact quite different from biblical Christianity.

Speak to me yourself, God

Let’s start with Mack’s desire for direct communication with God, apart from a mediator. Is the need for a mediator just a phony construct of the religious elite to keep us all in the dark and under their thumbs? What does Scripture say?

“In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe” (Heb. 1:12).

When Adam and Eve sinned, they and all mankind lost the privilege of seeing God face to face. No longer did God walk with them in the garden in the cool of the day. Since then, the writer to the Hebrews explains, God continued to speak in various ways, but always through mediators (angels, visions, the prophets). And now, God speaks to us by his Son, our mediator, Jesus Christ.

Mack views the idea of needing mediation with a certain bitterness. I understand that. For years I was frustrated by the fact that God is hidden. Why wouldn’t God just show himself, so I could see that he was real? It wasn’t until I understood my sin, that I recognized that it is of God’s mercy that he does not let us see him. Notice in scripture that whenever people encounter the presence of God, they react with fear. When Isaiah saw a vision of the Lord (ch. 6), he cried, “Woe is me, I am ruined, for I am a man of unclean lips.” When Jesus stilled the storm, the disciples did not high-five Jesus and whoop with joy. Oddly, they were afraid. Somehow the manifestation of his power made them keenly aware of their own uncleanness by comparison. Moses, himself the mediator between God and the Israelites, was told by God, “You cannot see My face; for no man can see me and live” (Ex. 33:20).

Ever since the Fall, man has needed a mediator between himself and God, lest he perish in the burning presence of God’s holiness. Our mediator now is Jesus Christ, who with his own blood opened the way for us to “go boldly to the throne of grace” (Heb. 4:16). Now, how do we know about the Son, except through the testimony of eye witnesses who knew him? And how do we learn this testimony, except that these witnesses wrote down what they had seen and heard? So we need the mediation of both the Book and the Son. “Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me…” (Ps. 40:7). Much as Mack desires to know God apart from any mediator, and as much as the God of The Shack will later affirm that desire, the Bible says that our sin has separated us from God, and we cannot know him apart from a mediator. 

This is not to say that God doesn’t speak to his children. When we are born again, Christ comes to us by the Holy Spirit and makes his home in our hearts. The Spirit bears witness inwardly that we are his beloved children (Rom. 8:16). The Father speaks to us through the Holy Spirit, who comforts, convicts, and encourages us, primarily by bringing to our understanding and remembrance… scripture. Jesus told his disciples, “…the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you” (Jn. 14:26). The Holy Spirit never introduces new teachings that contradict scripture. Unfortunately, the God of The Shack will do so, repeatedly.

Who needs church, anyway?

As Mack continues his musing over the mysterious invitation, he realizes, “…he was stuck, and Sunday prayers and hymns weren’t cutting it anymore, if they ever really had…he was sick of God and God’s religion, sick of all the little religious social clubs that didn’t seem to make any real difference….” (pg. 63).

Why is there no encouragement for Mack in fellowship, in worship? Why does it make him sick? Perhaps, understandably, he is lost in his grief. Or, perhaps Mack’s experiences have been with dead churches that have an outward religiosity but no real heart or depth. I grew up in a church like that. For me, Sunday morning was the worst time of the week, hours wasted being bored to tears by empty platitudes, unable to escape. If that’s Mack’s issue with church, I can relate.

There may be a clue here. We’ve already seen that Mack didn’t think much of scripture or church even before the murder. He hasn’t made the connection that it is the churches with the lowest view of scripture that degenerate into social clubs that make no real difference in people’s lives. In the church of my youth, the congregation was far too sophisticated to believe that the Bible is God’s Word. Sin, the cross, and the resurrection were considered poetic metaphor, not reality. The result was a church that had forgotten why it even existed. If the Bible is, as Mack thinks, a dead book that “reduces God to words on a page,” no wonder church is a waste of time for him. But it’s not true. The Word of God “…is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart” (Heb. 4:12-13). Throughout the story, Mack’s low view of scripture and church never changes, for at the shack he will discover that God agrees with him completely on both points.

The Jesus of The Shack will say, “I’m not too big on religion,” and “I don’t create institutions – never have, never will” (pg. 181). Funny though, the real Jesus did, and he called it the church. If Jesus was opposed to institutional worship, why was he careful to observe all the festivals and rules of the Jewish temple? A church that takes God at his word is not a social club; it is the body of Christ. Being connected to a church body is not optional in the life of a Christian; it is the example set for us by the early church and the commandment of scripture: “Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another…” (Heb. 10:25). 

Not your mother’s Trinity

But I’m ahead of the story. So Mack goes to meet with God at the shack. He will eventually spend time with each member of the trinity. The Father, “Papa,” appears as an African American woman. The Holy Spirit is an Asian woman. Jesus still gets to be a Middle Eastern man. He first meets the African American woman, who tells him, “If you let me, Mack, I’ll be the Papa you never had” (pg. 90). “She” explains, “For me to appear to you as a woman and suggest that you call me Papa is simply to mix metaphors, to help you keep from falling so easily back into your religious conditioning” (pg. 91).

Is that it? Or is it gender-bending confusion? I understand that Young wants to disabuse Mack (and his readers) of the notion that God is a white-bearded old guy in the sky, but the Bible already tells us that God is Spirit and doesn’t have a body. There is no need to “mix metaphors.” I don’t have time here to go into God’s distinctions between male and female all the way from Genesis to Revelation, but the Bible is very clear that we are to honor gender distinctions, not blur them.

Since both man and woman are made in the image of God, both are designed to reflect God’s glory in a particular way. Blurring those distinctions distorts the picture God paints of himself through man, woman, and marriage. Though God has “feminine” characteristics, he has revealed himself as Father, not Mother or even Father/Mother, as some liberal denominations (i.e. those social clubs) call him. There is not a shred of biblical evidence that the real God would ever reveal himself as a woman called “Papa,” and a lot of reasons to believe that he would find it an abomination. Even for someone with an abusive father (like Mack) who has trouble seeing God as father, we just can’t remake God to suit our particular area of woundedness. Instead, we need to learn that God our heavenly father is not like our abusive human father. We can’t change scripture to accommodate our preferences. We need to let scripture change us.

Who knew?

Later, Mack will spend time with “Jesus.” Apparently in all his church experience, Mack has never understood that Christ makes his home within the hearts of his people. Mack asks Jesus in astonishment: “Aren’t you talking about a real indwelling, not just some positional, theological thing?” “Of course,” answered Jesus, “it requires that a very real dynamic and active union exists.” “That is almost unbelievable!” Mack exclaimed quietly. “I had no idea”  (pg. 112).

Really? How could he not know this? Is it because the churches he attended were those liberal  churches that view the Bible as little more than a collection of primitive myths? Or did they downplay the role of the Holy Spirit and reduce the gospel to a set of propositions you give rational assent to?  If Mack had read scripture himself (with an open and searching heart), he would not be surprised at what Jesus has just told him. How can he be a seminary graduate and never have encountered Paul rejoicing in “…the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the saints. To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory” (Col. 1:26-27).

Again, this would be fine if it was a plot device designed to show how a person could attend church or even seminary and still miss the glorious news that God himself comes to live in us. But Mack only learns this amazing truth (one of the few biblically accurate things said in this novel) directly from Jesus, not the bible or church. I believe this is purposeful, that Young intends to imply that we will not find that which we most hunger for in the Bible or in church. (Another irony: where are we learning these wonderful spiritual truths? In…a…book. Forget the Bible, read The Shack. One way or t’other, we seem to be stuck with a book).

No worries: God loves us too much to punish us

One reason Young seems to resent the need of a mediator could stem from his utterly deficient view of sin. Sin in The Shack, when acknowledged at all, is not something that offends God, affronts his holiness and kindles his righteous wrath. Not even the murder of Mack’s daughter. No, sin in The Shack is chiefly defined as “independence” from God. While independence is certainly a large part of the biblical description of sin, it is much more than that. It is rebellion, pride and outright hostility toward God; it is spitting in the face of our Creator.

We like to hear that “God is love.” A loving God would not be angry. Would he? The apostle Paul wrote, “The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them…so that men are without excuse” (Rom 1:18-20). In many places God expresses his anger against sinful, unrepentant men. It’s a testimony to our own capacity to deceive ourselves that so many Christians deny the wrath of God.

Not only that, God has a limit to his long-suffering patience and willingness to forgive. Don’t believe me? Consider Ezekiel 7:9, when God declares that it is too late to repent: “I will not look on you with pity or spare you; I will repay you in accordance with your conduct and the detestable practices among you. Then you will know that it is I the LORD who strikes the blow.” Need more evidence that God has a limit? Read the whole book of Revelation, and then tell me that God is not angry with sin – and sinners.

But Papa says, “I don’t need to punish people for sin. Sin is its own punishment, devouring you from the inside”(pg. 119). This is a half-truth. Sin does bring its own punishment, but that is a mere foretaste of the divine wrath to come if we don’t repent. Not Papa though. He is “especially fond” of everything and everybody, so much so that Mack finally asks if there is anyone Papa is NOT especially fond of. “Nope, I haven’t been able to find any. Guess that’s jes’ the way I is.” Mack then asks if he ever gets mad at any of them. “Sho ‘nuff! What parent doesn’t? …I love the ones I am angry with just as much as those I’m not” (pg. 118).

(Note: this dialect of Papa’s is not used consistently throughout the book. When explaining something more abstract, Papa reverts to standard American English. I suppose “God” can change his way of speaking if he wants to. But whether a white author ought to attempt African American dialect in today’s sensitized culture is questionable, and its inconsistency renders it phony to me, even offensive.)

It seems to me that being “especially” fond of everyone is a contradiction in terms. In any case, the Bible teaches no such thing. Yes, God is love, and God loves the world, but contrary to popular belief, while we are all created in the image of God and therefore of great value, we are not all God’s children. Otherwise, why would John have written, “…to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God” (Jn. 1:12).  To be a child of God is to be adopted into God’s own family, an amazing gift that cost God’s Son unfathomable suffering to be able to offer to us. It is unbiblical and dishonors Christ’s sacrifice to confer this status on every human being without reference to that person’s heart for or against God. What’s “special” about that?

Papa explains all this while “she” is fixing breakfast. Then Jesus and Sarayu (the Holy Spirit) show up and they all sit down to eat. When Mack thanks Papa for breakfast, “she” responds in “mock horror…you aren’t even going to bow your head and close your eyes?” (pg. 119). So now we have “God” mocking the practice of giving thanks for food. Imagine, for millennia believers have sought to honor God by thanking him, and all the while, God thought it was just plain silly.

Can you imagine the true God making fun of his children for thanking him for his provision?  The God of scripture commands our gratitude. The God of The Shack finds it laughable. When Mack (of whom “she” is supposedly “especially fond”) offers a sincere (or at least polite) courtesy, “God” uses the occasion to embarrass him. For what reason, I don’t know. To break him of his “religious conditioning,” I suppose. My friends, this exchange could be the zenith of my frustration with why so many have gone crazy for this book. I can’t love this “God.” After reading this scene, I wanted to slap him. I mean, her.

You’re not the boss of me

For Mack though, things are looking up. Having learned that Papa is especially fond of everyone, and that God thinks the practice of giving thanks is just as foolish as he does, he now discovers that his problem with authority is really no problem at all. God feels just the same way. Mack asks Jesus, “Don’t you have a chain of command?”

“Chain of command? That sounds ghastly!”  The Shack’s Jesus said…“We have no concept of final authority among us, only unity. We are in a circle of relationship, not a chain of command….We don’t need power over the other because we are always looking out for the best. Hierarchy would make no sense among us….Hierarchy imposes laws and rules and you end up missing the wonder of the relationship we intended for you”(pg. 122-123).

Really? Then please explain Bible passages like this:

Matthew 8:8-10: The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” When Jesus heard this, he was astonished and said to those following him, “I tell you the truth, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith.”

Or this:

Matthew 26:53: “Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?”

And this:

Phillipians 2:9-11: “Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”

The real Jesus said, “If you love me, you will obey what I command” (Jn. 14:15). He was not the least concerned that obeying him as Lord would cause us to “miss the wonder” of our relationship with him. When I require my children to obey me it doesn’t interfere with our relationship. In fact, it makes intimacy possible. An unruly, self-willed child relates to no one but himself. We all need authority in our lives, and rebellion against proper authority is sin. It’s what caused the fall of man, for heaven’s sake.

Contrary to Papa’s assertion, there is in fact a chain of authority even in the Godhead. The Son obeys the Father: “I do exactly what my Father has commanded me”(Jn.14:31). The Holy Spirit obeys the Son and the Father: “When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father…” (Jn.14:26). This relationship of authority in the trinity is always in the context of perfect love and harmony. Young seems to have been so hurt by his experiences with authority that he cannot see it as anything but destructive. We also live in a time when rebellion is publicly celebrated. So when Jesus says in The Shack that authority is “ghastly,” it fits perfectly with the cultural zeitgeist. But it is a lie.

The cross: what does it matter?

The final serious problem that I will tackle (there are more) is The Shack’s unbiblical view of the cross. When Mack asks Papa, “What exactly did Jesus accomplish by dying?” he answers, “….through his death and resurrection, I am now fully reconciled to the world” (pg. 195).

Now, what does that mean? Beats me. Though Mack has asked specifically “what exactly” was accomplished, Papa never explains how the death and resurrection of his son reconciled him to the world. It sure sounds nice though, doesn’t it?

Earlier, Papa had said that Jesus “…chose the way of the cross where mercy triumphs over justice because of love” (pg. 165). That does sound lovely, but it’s not true. At the cross mercy did not triumph over justice. The shining glory of the cross is that it is the place where both mercy and justice triumphed:

“…for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus” (Rom. 3:23-26).

At the cross, justice was not overcome by mercy. Justice was vindicated, and it couldn’t be any other way. God’s justice is as much an attribute of his character as his love. No sin escapes the just retribution of God, ever. The question is only who will bear that retribution, the sinner or the spotless Lamb? Only God could come up with such a brilliant, stunning, wondrous, plan that fulfills justice while extending mercy to the unjust (us). Only a God of astonishing love would accomplish this by his own agony.

Based on other things Paul Young has said and written, my guess is that he would respond to this criticism with something to the effect that trying to analyze the cross too deeply distorts reality; you can’t analyze mystery. There is, of course, mystery in the cross. That is not my complaint. My complaint is that Young obfuscates what God has revealed to us concerning the cross. By having Papa employ flowery language that doesn’t say anything substantive, Young denies, dodges and disguises the biblical revelation of God’s wrath and punishment of sin.

For clues to what Paul Young really thinks about the cross, we need to go to other sources. In interviews, he has specifically rejected the substitutionary atonement of Christ. In a radio interview with a pastor, Kendall Adams (to find it, google “Shack author rejects biblical substitutionary atonement”), he says, “We are all included in what Jesus did on the cross, but not everyone is interested in relationship.” To Adam’s question of whether Jesus was punished for our sins, Young answers, “Why would the Father punish his son?” He calls the penal substitution of Christ for the sins of man a “side point of theology.” This is really amazing. Picture Jesus hanging in agony on the cross, gasping for air, naked and bloody. Why would he do such a thing? What did he accomplish by it? Aww, who cares? It’s just a side point.

In contrast to Paul Young the author, Paul the apostle wrote, “…just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous” (Rom. 5:18-19). Justification is the central doctrine of the Christian faith. But in The Shack, it’s a mere “side point.”

Wrong premises, Wrong Conclusions

Paul Young has written a story that millions have found powerfully compelling. Unfortunately, he writes from an unbiblical view of God and of man. Beginning from wrong premises, he draws wrong conclusions. Why does God allow horrible things to happen to good people? Christians know, or ought to know, that the answer to why bad things happen to good people is, “There are no good people.” I don’t mean to be flip about this. It is the sober truth, and it ought to sober us. All of us are shockingly evil in our hearts. We all deserve at this very minute to be banished to hell. Every breath we take is of the lovingkindness of God. The fact that we have not done worse than we have is not due to our goodness, but God’s restraining mercy on us.

If you find this hard to accept, you haven’t yet come to terms with who you are apart from Christ. Like my grandma, who said she didn’t want “Amazing Grace” sung at her funeral because “I never was a wretch.” If we began to understand the self-deceiving wickedness of our own hearts, we would not be even asking this question. Instead we would be asking,“Why is God so good to to a shameless rebel like me?” This is not to minimize the searing pain that we all experience to one degree or another, nor does it explain why suffering is not distributed evenly, or why often the godliest people seem to suffer the most. It is only to say that ignoring or denying our own personal wickedness in the context of our suffering will tempt us to think God unjust or unloving, or even, as in Young’s case, to invent a completely different God from the one revealed in the Bible.

The Shack’s God is not only not angry with sin, he hardly acknowledges it. This strips the gospel of its content and purpose. It makes the cross a “side point,” robbing Christ of the glory due him and us of the joy of our salvation. Only when we begin to grasp the depth of our own depravity, that truly our hearts are “deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked,” (Jer.17:9) will the gospel become the incredibly good news that God’s Son died to rescue us from our desperate condition. Through Christ we can be forgiven, made clean, born again as a new creation. Praise God for his amazing love!

But then what are we to make of the suffering that we continue to experience throughout life even as followers of Christ? We are promised that we will never be punished for our sins, but where in the meantime is God’s love and protection when things go all wrong?  (St. Theresa of Avila, after being tossed from a carriage into the mud, is said to have quipped, “If this is the way you treat your friends, Lord, it’s no wonder you have so few of them!”)

If only all suffering was as minor as a little mud. Suffering is an integral part of the Christian life and is part of God’s plan for us: “…it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe on him but to suffer for him” (Phil. 1:29). The book of Hebrews tells us that God disciplines those he loves, as a father lovingly disciplines his children (12:6). Sometimes we cause our own suffering through our sin, other times (as with Mack’s daughter) it hits us from outside. 

Often we will not understand why our sufferings have come to us. Jesus told the man born blind that this happened to him not because of sin, but so that he would see the glory of God (Jn. 9). That’s what we need, and should want, the most: to see God’s glory. Our response to suffering should not to be to change God to be more like we want him to be, as Paul Young has done, but to grow in our understanding of him as he has shown himself to be in his Word. Instead, look at Jesus as he is revealed in his Word, since it’s all about him, not us. We see that Jesus suffered more than any person ever has or ever will, as he bore God’s wrath for the sins his people. We know that he is able to sympathize with our sufferings because he has suffered. We have his promise that he will never leave us or forsake us (Heb. 13:5).  And just as his suffering resulted in great joy for him and glory to God, we can take heart, because “Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day. For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all” (2 Cor. 4: 16-17). Again, the aim is for us to see and know and love Jesus as he is described in the Bible, as Peter (one terribly well acquainted with suffering) knew: “In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by various trials, so that the tested genuineness of your faith—more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire—may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ” (I Peter 1:6-7).

Bottom line: idolatry

Paul Young’s God bears little resemblance to the God revealed in the Bible. Instead, Young has created a god in his own image. And wouldn’t you know, this god agrees with him completely on his negative view of church, scripture, authority, and the historic Christian faith. While The Shack tells an absorbing story, it is a very bad book.

One of the common defenses people make of The Shack is that “it’s just fiction.” “Lighten up,” they say. “It’s a story, not theology.” But almost every conversation in the book is a teaching interaction between Mack and one of the members of the godhead, each explaining something about God. We have a name for that: theology.

Others admit that there are some problems with the theology, but they say they just ignored the theology and enjoyed the story. Perhaps those who are really grounded in the faith could do that. What I don’t understand is how a person can enjoy a story that misrepresents who God is, when they know that he is being misrepresented? If someone was telling untruths about my human father, even “nice” ones, I wouldn’t be happy. I would tell that person to stop putting words in his mouth that he never said, and never would.

Stories are, of course, a powerful way to illustrate truth. The Bible abounds with stories that really happened. Fictional stories can be dangerous because they reach our emotions, and we tend to accept uncritically the ideas embedded within them. Stories can also seduce us to believe a lie. Sure, Jesus used parables, stories which may have been true or may have been fictional illustrations, but they always supported the rest of the Bible’s teaching, not undermined it.

For those who are not well grounded in the faith, The Shack, instead of the Bible, is shaping their theology. Don’t believe me? Just read the reviews on Amazon.com. Here is a quote from one:

“The mental images from The Shack will probably be the lens through which I will read every other book on Christianity in the future.” Shouldn’t the Bible have that honor?

How we think about God is not a trivial matter. The great theologian A.W. Tozer has written in his book The Knowledge of the Holy:

What comes into our minds when we think about God is the most important thing about us…Worship is pure or base as the worshiper entertains high or low thoughts of God. For this reason the gravest question before the church is always God Himself, and the most portentous fact about any man is not what he at a given time may say or do, but what he in his deep heart conceives God to be like.

The Shack presents a different God from the God revealed in the Bible, and a different gospel as well. It misrepresents the character and person of God, gives scant attention to Christ’s sacrifice, and frequently flat out contradicts what has been revealed to us in scripture. Paul Young has invented the God he desires, not the God who is. That massive numbers of Christians have not recognized the blasphemous nature of this book highlights the great need of every believer to revere God’s word and to study it. As for someone like Eugene Peterson, who ought to know better, but lauds the book as “a Pilgrim’s Progress” for our generation, all I can say is “Let God be true and every man a liar” (Rom. 3:4).

To those who disagree with my view of The Shack, I say your argument is with scripture, not me. My bluntness is not meant to be unkind, but to challenge you to think. According to the apostle Paul, who actually did speak to the real Jesus, this is deadly serious business: “…even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!” (Gal. 1:8-9).

Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free” (Jn. 8:31-32). If the truth sets you free, then what will a lie do? The Shack is just one more false gospel in a world teeming with counterfeits. Why are so many Christians flocking after the speculations of a mere man, when the only truly trustworthy person who ever lived, has already revealed himself in history and in his own Word? To all who have ears to hear, build your spiritual house on that Rock, and abandon the rickety shack before it crashes down on you or someone you love.

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Lynn Barton is a former stockbroker who homeschools her children on a small farm near Medford, Oregon. She is a graduate of Wellesley College and attends Bear Creek Church.

New Thing: Taking the Lord’s name in vain

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These young people have crossed over to the point where their conscious has been seared. Yet, there will be those who will either approve of their behavior or make excuses for them.

The use of using God’s name in vain is a joke to them.

At one point he even says the raputre is not real.

“Put that iin your crack pipe and smoke it cause you ain’t gonna get itbeing a religious demon. you’re only gonna get it by being a son of god which is a drinker.”

“We’re taking over everything. With the drinking.”

At the end of the video, it shows a drawing of Jesus giving the middle finger!

He endorses Rick Joyner. I take it they know one another. So, if RJ is suppose to be such a man with great discernment, why does he not address this type of behavior and mocking?!

If God is not the one speaking through them, who is? Simple enough; devils. This is vulgar mystism and blatant heresy. Yet, still, there will be some that will refuse to test it or dare to challenge it.

Follow this and you will follow anti-christ easily

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I know a few months back, I said I was done with Tod Bentley. But in light of being around sick people once again the past week, I have noticed a few things that Tod Bentley and Obamacare have in common: 

http://redeemedhippiesplace.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/robert-reich-were-gonna-let-you-die/

It is the same spirit at work when one does not regard the suffering and the elderly.

Being at the hospital the past week, I have had a few chances to pray with complete strangers for their loved ones. When ever I am in a hospital, it is not hard for me to look around and see the suffering and the worried looks on family and friends’ faces. I ask the Lord to direct my footsteps in showing me who is open for prayer. I have never been turned down. Never once has God told me to punch someone or kick someone. Never.  Unlike Tod Bentley, — the deceiver and liar, the one who creates Jesus in his image.

He is a liar and a deceiver who creates God in his own image. He is a mocker that would say the Holy Spirit tells him to punch or kick someone. Not once is it mentioned in the Bible that Jesus EVER kicked or punched someone. NEVER!  

Galatians 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

Paul talks to the Corinthains about the stuff they were putting up with with false teachers:

2 Corinthians 11: 19-20 “For you put up with fools gladly, since you yourselves are wise! For you put up with it if one brings you into bondage, if one devours you, if one takes from you, if one exalts himself, if one strikes you on the face.”

There were false teachers even back then going around and bringing people into bondage to themselves, stealing from them, exalting themselves as someone great and even slapping them! And the christians put up with it! WHY? Because they did not test things. Much like today.

Some people told me last year in defense of TB, “But Smith Wigglesworth did it. He hit people.”

I do not give a royal rip what Smith Wigglesworth did. Go do a search and you can find he was false too. The main point is, JESUS DID NOT kick or punch people! 

Partial transcript of video:

TB says, “God, why is the power of God not moving? He said, ‘Because you haven’t kicked that woman in the face.’ “

And the crowd smile as if they are senseless robots. This is the stupid spirit within the church!

“And there was this older lady worshipping right in front of the platform. and the holy spirit spoke to me, the gift of faith came on me, he said, ‘kick her in the face — with your biker boot.’ “

And the crowd stupidly laugh again with moronic faces! Note: the woman was worshipping! She was worshipping God and the devil said to kick the woman who was worshipping God!

“I inched closer and I went like this.” And he shows us how he kicks her. “Bam! And just as my boot made contact with her nose, she fell under the power of god.”

No, TB it was not the power of God, it was your biker boot and you are a devil to even suggest God would do such a thing.

I tell those of you now, if anyone went to my dear mother right now and said “God told me to kick her in the face” I would fight them with my bare hands and physically throw them out of the hospital with the strength of God on my side!

Oh, but you are touching God’s annointed, I can almost hear some of you say in shock. NO! You touch Gods’ annointed when you come against the Son of God who is gentle and lowly, who has told us, “All you who are weary come unto me and I will give you rest.” WHAT KIND OF GOD DO YOU FOLLOW if your god kicks you in the face when you come to him?! You follow a devil! A lying deceiving abomnible devil and you dare not question it!? 

You follow mockery and blasphemy and you care not, because if you did you would be a Berean and search a matter out and repent for your vile beliefs and for creating a jesus in your image! It is HERESY to create a jesus that would kick the elderly or punch sick people!

So just as TB helped usher in an anti-christ:  http://redeemedhippiesplace.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/todd-bentleys-fake-prophetic-eagles/

he also helped to usher in a spirit of the sort that has no regard for human suffering or the elderly with his revival.

Keep following his sort and when THE anti-christ comes, you will not even be able to seperate the holy from the profane!

Aping the Practices of Pagan Spirituality

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Please don’t anyone tell me, “Satan has a counterfeit for everything God does” in order to excuse this behavior. Satan very well may have a counterfeit but basically he perverts everything holy and good. So Stacey Campbell shaking her head, hissing like a snake and speaking a prophecy that I found more Luciferic than Godly, only tells me she is possessed not by the Holy Spirit, but by another.

According to today’s typical church standards, the more stupid you behave, the more of the Holy Spirit you have. THIS is another gospel and another spirit. It is not one of God!

Any of us can look spiritual today if we just violently shake our heads, fall on the floor and look like we are having a seizure, bark like dogs, crow like roosters, roar like lions, laugh like a hyena, fall like a slobbering drunk, space out on a make believe joint, slurring our words, etc. ALL THESE THINGS Jesus would have cast out a person but today the Whore calls it the Holy Ghost! Such blasphmey and mockery to the Holy Spirit! And few dare to test it because they have been brain washed into believing they must not question?!  But the Bride of Christ does know the difference.

Church, greater delusions come. If we can not discern now the holy from the profane, what will we do when greater delusions come? Trust our leaders and teachers of such things to discern for us? Do any of us dare to let another rule over us in such a way that we would not test something BY and THROUGH and WITH the Word of God?

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Written on the sidebar: The first clip is of a well-known Christian speaker, Stacey Campbell. The rest of the following clips show automatic yogic movements induced by Kundalini power, which reminds me exactly of what I have seen in the kinds of churches I’ve gone to all my life. Except for the people standing on their heads (LoL), I don’t see much of a difference between the two, do you?

WHY YOU SHOULD STAY AWAY FROM YOGA

We are bombarded by messages of yoga’s peaceful and healthful benefits, but what we don’t hear, specifically in the United States, is the true origins of this type of lifestyle.

These are postures that are offered to the 330 million Hindu gods. Yoga postures really are; they are offerings to the gods. If you do these postures and you do this breathing technique and this meditation, then you will be accepted by a god, little “g.” That’s the real danger.

In India, people are often seen in the streets doing yoga poses in front of the statues of the gods.

Romans 12:1-2 says we are to offer our bodies as a living sacrifice to God. Here they are doing something very similar with these postures to their 330 million gods, and it is scary. So we abstain from things offered to idols — Acts 15:29.

In yoga they do what they call pranayama breathing. Prana is the Hindu word for life force, the same concept as the word chi in some martial arts. Yoga breathing attempts to manipulate that life energy. That is a dangerous thing, because I think that we are coming out from under the blood of Jesus when we do stuff like that, and we are no match for the enemy in those areas. I think of what Paul said in Ephesians 2:2, that Satan is the prince of the power of the air. We are not talking about oxygen.

A third area of concern in yoga is the concept of emptying the mind, which is contradictory to what Christianity teaches. The Bible says “We are transformed by the renewing of our minds, not the emptying.”

Along with emptying the mind, yoga guides people into astral travel, which is where people actually leave their bodies. As a Christian with the Holy Spirit in there, we are not going to be possessed, I don’t think. But one could easily be oppressed.

Clearly, with this understanding of yoga, Christians should think twice before heading to the local gym for a yoga class. But if you are a Christian who thinks it’s all right to attend yoga classes because you think you are strong enough not to fall prey to the spiritual deception that’s being taught and you enjoy the physical benefits, in all seriousness please consider a younger believer or weaker Christian who is watching your lifestyle. If you go to a yoga class, chances are they might be inspired to go also, and they could fall completely off track in their walk with God.

The ‘Christian Yoga’ Controversy

Can yoga and its religious roots be separated? Some who have been concerned about Eastern influences of yoga have looked to hatha yoga for answers, since hatha yoga is supposed to simply be the flexibility exercises without the spiritual influences. Yoga and Hinduism are inextricably linked, and beyond that, there can be no such thing as Christian yoga.

Christian yoga is an oxymoron. It is like saying someone is a Christian Buddhist or a Christian Hindu. What some people are doing is that they are trying to make yoga Christian. Even Hindus are saying that you cannot do that.

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