You might be a Charismaniac if…

Wow, some really good observations! Found it here:

http://charismania.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/you-might-be-a-charismaniac-if/

You might be a Charismaniac if…
1.You think it’s normal that your pastor owns the church.

2.Most of the sermons you hear are about money – getting more of it.

3.Most sermons are based on Old Testament texts, or single verses plucked out of the New Testament, particularly III John 1:2.

4.You think it’s normal to give a pastor a standing ovation.

5.You think it’s normal for a pastor to take up birthday offerings for himself or his wife.

6.You think the “Gospel” is mostly about the good things God will do for you on this earth, right now.

7.You keep hearing that there is a huge “end-times” revival right around the corner.

8.You’ve been taught that, in conjunction with this “end-times” revival, Christians are going to get richer and richer.

9.You believe that the best way to receive a miracle is to “sow a seed,” which means give a large offering you can’t afford.

10.You believe certain people – your pastor, and other leaders with large ministries – are specially “anointed” and hear directly from God.

11.You don’t bat an eye when you hear your pastor say, “God told me…”

12.Your pastor has bodyguards.

13.Your pastor drives a car worth more than most people’s houses.

14.The only people with any authority on your church’s staff are either the pastor, or someone who shares his last name.

15.Your pastor didn’t go to seminary.

16.But he calls himself “Doctor.”

17.Your pastor’s wife is also a pastor and goes by the title of “First Lady.”

18.Anyone related to your pastor is also “anointed.” And this “anointing” is transferrable by marriage, so that your pastor’s kids’ spouses begin sporting the title of “Pastor.”

19.There is special reserved seating for people particularly close to the pastor.

20.When you see your pastor up close, you get as tongue-tied and as star-struck as if you’d run into your favorite movie star.

21.If you found out your pastor and his wife were coming to visit you, you’d immediately feel an urgent need to remodel your house and buy all new furniture.

22.But that would be a pipe dream, because your pastor never visits anyone except for a select few who have been with his ministry for years. Or new people who have given huge donations.

23.Your pastor calls himself “Apostle.”

24.Your pastor calls himself “Prophet.”

25.Your pastor preaches that prophecy is for today…but only HE is allowed to prophesy.

26.You’ve been going to your church for more than a year, but you still don’t really know anyone there very well.

27.You do, however, feel like you know your pastor pretty well.

28.There is fierce competition for seats in the first few rows of the auditorium. You get to church a half hour early to secure one of those seats.

29.New people are treated with suspicion. “New people” is anyone who has been at your church less time than you have.

30.Your church has very few small-group Bible studies or other supplementary classes. Very few people are allowed to teach at your church, except those who either A) have the same last name as your pastor; or B) are really, really bad at teaching. If someone happens to slip into group “B” but turns out to be good at teaching, he or she will probably never teach again.

31.Although you’d never be able to guess from your church’s official statement of faith, the practical reality is that everybody puts more stock in “The Anointing” (particularly as it exists within your pastor) than they do in the message of salvation. Salvation is your ticket to heaven, but “The Anointing” is where all the “good stuff” comes from.

32.Your church talks a LOT about physical healing. They even hold “Healing Services” and have healing lines. But nobody ever jumps out of a wheelchair. Rather, a few people get healed from stuff like back pain and migraines.

33.Although to hear everyone talk, you’d think that crowds were re-growing amputated limbs and snapping out of Down Syndrome.

34.There is a lot more prestige associated with volunteer positions like washing the pastor’s car or opening the door for him than there is with working in the children’s ministry.

35.Your pastor talks a lot about how he’s your spiritual father, your covering, and your head.

36.You find yourself aspiring to dress and live like the pastor and his family, although you don’t have the money to do so.

37.You are encouraged NOT to think. Analytical thought is scorned. “The Anointing” trumps all need for theology, education, or anything else that would involve the logical part of your brain.

38.Your pastor’s sermons begin with, “God told me…” and involve your pastor then going on to explain how what God told him is supported by various Bible verses. These verses, in their original context (which is never discussed), have NOTHING to do with what your pastor is saying, but they do contain a key word from the message that “God gave” your pastor.

39.Your pastor is in complete control of everything and answers to no one. If there IS an elder or deacon board, the board meets only to fulfill IRS requirements and consists of men hand-picked by the pastor who will agree with whatever the pastor tells them.

40.Your pastor dreams of being famous and expends much effort (and cash) to buddy up to already-famous ministries…regardless of whether or not they agree on key doctrines like the trinity.

41.Your church’s offering envelopes have a place for giving by credit card. You are also taught that the best way to become financially stable is to “give your way out of debt.”

42.You begin to notice that the list of “regular attenders” seems to change all the time. People will attend every service faithfully for months or even years and then suddenly disappear forever. Your pastor spends a lot of time talking about how these folks are in rebellion, and how you will keep yourself from receiving “your blessing” if you listen to them.

43.You are taught all the time that you are “blessed,” which generally means that you will live in financial “overflow” and have “favor” over all areas of your life. Sometimes this “favor” seems to mean that you expect people to bend the rules for you…as evidenced by prayer requests like, “Pray for my nephew as he faces drug charges, pray that he will find favor with the judge, and if anyone knows anyone in the D.A.’s office, please call us.”

Cult Leader Thinks He’s Jesus

“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand.

“Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.   — Matthew 24:23 – 26 –

When asked questions, this messiah’s answers were vague and nonsensical.

When asked what was his favorite food: “It would be difficult for me to say something you would understand. I interpret things differently.”

Seems to me like the real Jesus, who knows all things, would be able to describe to a puny little human being in a way where he would understand. This is a tactic to make one’s self appear much more important, much more evolved than the average human being. But the truth of the matter is, this jesus is nothing but a mere man, who has found ways to deceive many people.

When asked by the interviewer, “Just meeting me briefly, can you tell me any thing about my soul?”

“I can feel a person, but can not define the features. They are undefined. It depends upon what you want to hear.”

You mean to tell me that Jesus would not be able to see and know all things about one’s soul?

I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. — John 10:14 — (Jesus)

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. — John 10:27 –

“If you could tell one bit of advice, that of yours here, could follow, relatively easy, what would it be?”

“Do not try to be superior among the people around you. That intention leads to death.”

In other words: “It is ok for me to be worshipped. But you, you must submit yourself to my every ordinance while I live as a king/messiah among you.”

Very hypocritical, don’t you think?

Actually, in some ways, this is not any worse than what is going on in a lot of mainstream churches of today. Some people have made their pastor an idol, becoming totally dependent upon him for every word. They get so involved in church and church activities they have no room for anything else in their life. If that too is not cultic, I don’t know what it is.

vice:
Deep in Siberia’s Taiga forest is Vissarion, a cult leader who looks like Jesus and claims to be the voice of God. He’s known as “the Teacher” to his 4,000 followers, who initially seem surprisingly normal. Over time, however, their unflinching belief in UFOs and the Earth’s imminent demise made this group start to look more and more like some sort of strange cult.

IHOP is DANGEROUS! Stephanie’s testimony

If you do not know what IHOP is, please watch and be aware. If you do know what IHOP is and are in it, please watch and beware. This is a cult to the core. I can only try and imagine the mind-control she was being forced to swallow. However, she was able to discern for herself. Thank God, she stood and was brought out of it. I wonder how many more families have been torn apart by this demonic cult.

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False Prophet Harold Camping says Millions will die on May 21, 2011

For anyone who may be worrying if May 21, 2011 is the day of judgment, Do not fear man’s delusions and lies. If Jesus said of the end of time, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father” (Matthew 24:36), then why oh why are we to take the word of man?

You see, cults are made of such stuff.

seedsofgrace:

These things bring reproach for the true believer of Christ when the world (media) calls these fanatics christians. A true believer will not swallow everyhting that comes down the pike. They will test things according to the word of God and they will not fear the rebuke of man for doing so, they would rather walk alone than walk among those who are not taking the time to discern by the Word of God. 

By the way, Terry Jones (the famous pastor in favor of making a big issue of burning the Koran), was a date setter before he got all the attention. He was nothing more than just a little old man sitting at his kitchen table setting dates to the end of the world. They came and went. I would love to be able to know what some of his followers who have left him have to say.

MOXNEWSd0tCOM:

Is Your Church a Cult?

I may have this up somewhere else on the blog, but can not find it. However, I want to use it to point out that many of the things in this video are the very things that a lot of churches use. If you are experiencing any of these things in your church, please ask God to give you HIS discernment, test everything that is goes on around you. If something does not feel quite right, it just may be the Lord trying to show you what is going on behind the veil of deceit.

Please note: NOT every church or those in the ministry are out to decieve. Sometimes they may not even know what they do. In that case, try asking God to show you what to do and what to speak concerning any concerns you may have.

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Part 2:

Last Days: False Christs, Occult Invasion & Sexual Perversion

Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, — 1 Timothy 4:1 –

“There are so many today in the New Age movement who are claiming to be the messiahs, claiming to be channeling the wisdom of the messiahs…”

“…the lies men will believe once they have rejected the truth.”

“One of the greatest deceptions occuring in our time, is happening in the name of Christianity, as people are embracing a form of Christianity based on extra-biblical experiences.”

“We see the rise of satanic worship.”

ProclaimHisWord:

JIM JONES: CHRISTIAN OR COMMUNIST?

A lot of people want to believe that Obama is a Christian. Below is just an example of the christianity he and socialists liberals believe in. It is one of big government, power and complete control over it’s followers.  

Am I comparing Obama with Jim Jones? Yep. I compare anyone who calls themselves a christian whose desire is to control using deception and manipulation, to a cult leader.

For too many years, liberal media have refused to call Jim Jones what he was; a liberal communist devil.

For those of you who are waiting for government to give you your utopia, be warned.

http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?2886-Jim-quot-Jonestown-quot-Jones-Communist-cultist-who-merely-pretended-to-be-a-Christian

People all over the world are horrified and puzzled by the Jonestown, Guyana atrocity. Questions are being asked: Who was the Rev. Jim Jones? What kind of religion did he teach? Why did he order the murder and suicide of over 900 of his followers? The answers provided by most of our media during the week following the news of the murder of Congressman Leo Ryan and four others in his group at the Kaituma airstrip have been confused, inaccurate and misleading. Our media have concealed, misrepresented, or downplayed the key element in the philosophy of Jim Jones. He was a long-time dedicated Marxist communist who admired totalitarian communist dictatorships such as the Soviet Union and Cuba so much that he built one of his own in Guyana. It was tiny, with fewer than 1,000 inhabitants, but it had many striking resemblances to the dictatorships it was modeled after. The inhabitants were not free to leave Jonestown. Those who tried to escape were severely punished. Family members were kept in Jonestown as hostages to enable the dictator to exert control over those who were on the outside. The inhabitants were cut off from free communication with the outside world. The news they got was filtered through the dictator. They were subjected to the constant blare of exhortations and instructions by loudspeaker, one of the techniques of the Chinese communists. They were forced to attend lengthy meetings, listening to the political harrangues of Jones, after having worked ten to twelve hours in the fields. This is another technique of the Chinese communists. They were trained in what to say to visitors and were as adept as the Chinese, and Soviets in pulling on a good show and concealing the harsh reality. They were not permitted to own any substantial personal property, making them totally dependent on the dictator for their subsistence and survival. They were in mortal fear of the dictator’s armed guards and “hit squads,” which they believed would track them down and murder them if they should leave. They were punished if they complained about food or living conditions, and they were afraid to express dissatisfaction even privately. There was no religious observance in the community, apart from the obeisance to the all-powerful dictator, Jones. The workers were poorly fed, poorly housed and overworked, while the dictator lived in luxury. The settlement could not deliver the standard of living promised to the inhabitants, and it relied heavily on external contributions.

Lenin Reincarnated

The evidence that Jim Jones was a Marxist communist does not derive solely from the fact that he established a communist settlement in the Marxist state of Guyana. Jones made no bones about the fact that he was a Marxist. His wife, Marceline, in an interview given to the New York Times in 1977, said that when Jones was 18 years old, his idol was Mao Tse-tung. She said his goal was social change through Marxism. The Chicago Tribune on November 22, quoted a former follower of Jones, Mrs. Wanda Johnson, as saying: “He told us on many occasions he was the reincarnation of Lenin. He told us this time he would be successful in installing a socialist state in America.” She also said that on several occasions Jones spoke of killing then President Nixon or kidnapping the children of any public figure if he felt it would bring about a socialist form of government in the United States.

The Tribune was the only paper of several that we examined that made any mention of this important revelation by Mrs. Johnson. The Washington Post and The New York Times on the previous day did mention the reincarnation-of-Lenin claim, using a soft version, and giving it no prominence. Both of these papers ignored the charge that Jones was willing to kill the president and kidnap children of public figures to bring about socialism. However, The Times did say on November 21 that Mrs. Johnson had revealed that Jones’ inner circle had signed statements saying that they were willing to kill their enemies, including government officials and all former members.

Both of these papers described the suicide drills that Jones put his followers through. The Post’s account included this paragraph: “According to former cult member Tim Stoen, Jones frequently put his congregation through tests. ‘He would pass around a brown liquid,’ Stoen said in a West Coast television interview telecast yesterday (November 20) and tell everyone to drink it. After they drank it, he would tell them they would die in about an hour. Meanwhile, he would ask them to stand up one by one and tell the group why they were proud and honored to die for socialism’.” (Washington Post, 11/21/78, p. A 15) The Times gave a different version of Stoen’s statement, which was not as strong, but it was in the lead paragraph of a page-one story. It said: “He has mass suicide drills, where he tells all the people, hundreds of people, to drink a certain drink, and he says, ‘That’s fatal. You’re all going to die in 45 minutes. I want to see how you feel about dying for socialism’.” Jonestown was described as “an experiment in socialism where money, power, and elitism had been eliminated.” In her 1977 interview with The New York Times, Mrs. Marceline Jones described her husband’s aim as “a Marxist social group,” and she said that was what he was building in Guyana. Despite all the evidence that Jones was a Marxist and admirer of the Soviet Union and Castro’s Cuba, reporters not only avoided calling him a communist, but also went out of their way to qualify his socialism with adjectives such as “utopian,” “quasi-religious,” and “agrarian.” We could find not a single article in the mass media that probed into Jones’ Marxist beliefs and connections. All the remarks we have cited above were only passing references in articles devoted to other subjects. Articles were written about his religious background and activities, which, as we shall see, were phoney and were simply a means to his political ends. The tragedy spawned articles on unrelated cults, on the psychology of mass suicide, on Jones’ sex life, on political figures who were connected with Jones or had written letters commending him. But there were no articles on the ideology which was his main inspiration, communism.

The Unmentionables

It is not clear why editors should conceal the fact that Jones’ newspaper, The People’s Forum, was full of praise for communist regimes. Why should it have been a “no-no” to mention that in 1977, the Rev. Jones went to Cuba specifically to meet with Huey Newton, the leader of the far left Black Panthers? The People’s Forum of March 1977, reported that Jones was ecstatic about conditions in Cuba. He reported that the standard of living was “fantastic.” Jones told his followers that the Cuban people were enthusiastic about the way Castro was running things. The people had total freedom, he said. The Washington Post had these quotes. It never reported them. The media quoted Jones’ personal physician and strong supporter, Dr. Carlton Goodlett, without mentioning his long record of involvement in communist causes, including membership on the presidium of the World Peace Council, a Kremlin front. Some, but by no means all, papers did identify Jones’ two lawyers, Charles Garry and Mark Lane as left-wing radicals. The New York Times reported on November 21 that Garry once took the Fifth Amendment and refused to say if he was ever a member of the Communist Party. It said that Garry had described himself as a radical and that he had had among his clients the leaders of the Black Panthers. The Times noted that Lane was also a radical and that he is a leading proponent of the theory that there was a right-wing conspiracy behind President Kennedy’s assassination. Having been told nothing about Jones’ fondness for the Soviet Union and Cuba, many people were probably puzzled by a UPI dispatch that was published in some papers on November 25. It told of a discussion that preceded the suicides at Jonestown. According to one of the survivors, one woman spoke up saying that suicide was not the only option, that they could go to the Soviet Union or Cuba. She was shouted down. This was followed by an even greater surprise the following day. Three survivors said that Jones’ mistress had ordered them to deliver a suitcase containing $500,000 and a letter to the Soviet embassy in Georgetown, Guyana, after the suicides. They said they turned it over to Guyarian authorities. It was also revealed that Jones himself had talked of emigrating to the Soviet Union, telling his followers that it was the promised land. He had discussed with a Soviet diplomat the possibility of moving his followers en masse to the U.S.S.R.

Jones is Jettisoned

Before he was exposed before all the world as a thief, sadist, satyr, dictator and mass murderer, Jim Jones was one of the darlings of the left. Guyana released a list of 38 prominent Americans who had allegedly written endorsements for Jim Jones. This list included first lady Rosalynn Carter, Vice President Mondale, HEW Secretary Joseph Califano, Mervyn Dymally, lieutenant governor of California, five members of the U.S. Senate, eleven members of the House of Representatives, the mayor of San Francisco and one former mayor of that city, and the mayor of Gary, Indiana. Some on the list say they can’t remember writing the endorsements, and the letters have not been produced except for a handwritten “Dear Jim” note to Jones from Mrs. Carter. It is possible that some of the endorsements were forged by Jones himself. But there can be no denying that Jones vas very well connected politically, with his friends ranging from Communist Party leader Angela Davis to Rosalynn Carter, who met Jones during the 1976 presidential campaign. A benefit for Jonestown featuring black comedian Dick Gregory, California state assemblyman Willie Brown, Mark Lane and Charles Garry was to have been held in San Francisco on December 2. The theme was “A Struggle Against Oppression.” Needless to say, the dinner was cancelled. The politicians and the ideologues of the left quickly went to work to disassociate themselves from Jones. In the case of Stalin, there is no way to obscure the fact that the mass murderer was a communist. But most people bad never heard of Rev. Jim Jones, and, with the cooperation of the media, it was possible for attention to be diverted away from his dedication to communism.

The Phoney Preacher

This was made easier by the fact that Jones himself had for years been masquerading as a Christian and a man of God. He was an ordained minister of the Disciples of Christ denomination, which has around 1.3 million members. But he had been exposed as a religious faker by Rev. Lester Kinsolving in eight articles written for the San Francisco Examiner in 1972. (The Examiner ran only four of them, capitulating to pressure from Jones and his followers.) Kinsolving exposed the fact that Jones claimed to have literally resurrected more than 40 people, that his service featured the beating of children and forced public confessions of non-existent sins, fake faith healings, and the regular use of a Marxist song book. Mrs. Jim Jones told The New York Times in 1977 that her husband had decided when he was 21 years old that the way to achieve his Marxist goals was to mobilize people through religion. “Jim used religion to try to get some people out of the opiate of religion,” she said, adding that he had once slammed a Bible on the table and said, “I’ve got to destroy this paper idol!” (New York Times, 11/26/78, p. 20.) The Times informs us that Jones “was openly contemptuous of religion among his associates.” (New York Times, 11/21/78, p. A 16). But he used religion to entice new recruits and to deceive naive outsiders. After the victims were hooked, he used sex, blackmail, intimidation and psychological dependence to manipulate them. At Jonestown, where there were no outsiders to be deceived, there were no religious services or discussions of religion. (Washington Post, 11/25/78, p. A 3.) Jones had so corrupted people who were once good Christians that they would commit adulterous or homosexual acts with him or others on his command. They would even commit murder at his command, even the murder of their own children, as we now know. Religion was nothing but a cover for Jones’ communist ideology, but most reporters, like a pack of greyhounds, went chasing after the fake rabbit. CBS News takes the prize for this most asinine performance on November 22:

Walter Cronkite: At the end, cult leader Jim Jones was described as a drug-crazed, paranoid, power-hungry fascist, but what of this man whose ultimate command led his flock to mass suicide. Betsy Aaron reports. Betsy Aaron: It was called the People’s Temple, but it was really Rev. Jim Jones’ temple. Jim Jones was the reason people came, looking for love and for God. Jim Jones: Now as we reedirate. God is love. Love is a healing remedy. Let us believe, let us believe. Aaron: A kind of intense warmth emanated from this man. His message was traditional and positive. It was the gospel of Jesus. Jones: I love you. The people love you, and most importantly, Christ loves you. Aaron: He gave hope to the poor. He gave help to the infirm. There were doubters who questioned his cures, but to his congregation the power of God was present in Jim Jones.

The program went on to show one of Jones’ fake faith healings, the curing of a supposedly lame woman. No question was raised about the authenticity of the cure, although it is known that these cures were staged by Jones and his cohorts. This irresponsible reporting gave rise to reactions such as the one expressed in a letter in The Washington Post on November 26, which said: “In Guyana, organized religion once again has dropped its mask of benignity and revealed its ugliness.” It also led columnist Max Lerner to write in The New York Post of November 26: “But Jones’ followers were simple people, eager for a belief that would link them to a purer, more primitive Christian faith… They were a community of the faithful, a republic of the innocent.” A note from one of these “innocents” found on Jones’ body said: “I fear that without you the world may not make it to communism.” The ideology of Jonestown was communism, not Christianity, but the media have obscured rather than explained that fact.

Jones as a Fascist

While the media scrupulously avoided calling Jones a communist, which he was, there was a rush to label him a fascist, which he was not. Walter Cronkite mentioned that he had been described as “a power-hungry fascist.” Mort Sahl, an erstwhile nightclub comedian who presides over a radio talk show in Washington, D.C., came out with this beauty on November 24: “The exercise in Guyana was a fascist exercise, no matter what the label on the can. Socialists don’t do that.” We have not as yet been able to ascertain whether Mr. Sahl applies the fascist label to such states as the Soviet Union, Cuba, Red China, Vietnam and Cambodia, or whether he is simply unaware of the close resemblance of Jonestown to those societies. Charles Krause, the Washington Post reporter who accompanied the Ryan party to Jonestown, seems to share Sahl’s view that “socialists don’t do that.” In an article published on November 22, he tells of Jones’ son, Steven, being asked (presumably by Krause) “if Jonestown had not been an experiment in fascism–with its armed guard and other means of preventing people from leaving–rather than an experiment in socialism.” Steven Jones reflected the same point of view, replying, “My father was the fascist. Jonestown was and still could be beautiful.” On November 22, NBC News aired a half-hour special television report on Jonestown. It never once mentioned socialism, Marxism or communism, even though the title was, “Jonestown, November 1978: How Could It Happen?” At the very beginning, narrator Edwin Newman said: “James Warren Jones, better known as the Rev. Jim Jones, to some, he was a powerful spiritual leader, a good man. At various times he said he was the reincarnation of Christ and Lenin.” That was as close as NBC got to suggesting that Jones may have been a man of the left. Without identifying Carlton Goodlett as a supporter of many communist causes and a member of the presidium of the Soviet-sponsored World Peace Council, NBC put him on the program to tell of how Jones helped the poor and downtrodden. He said that he told the members of the black religious community that there was a message to be learned “from the type of Christianity this man is speaking.” Having neglected to tell its viewers that Jones’ group was a communist group in action, NBC put on a Dr. Frederick Hacker, who said, “I believe these sects and cults are really mini-fascist organizations in action. They use terroristic means of intimidation in order to force their members to adopt a certain philosophy, a certain way of life, and a certain thinking.” Some writers were a little more subtle in their efforts to work the transfer of the negative association to something other than communism. Max Lerner, in addition to falsely portraying Jones’ followers as simple Christians, evoked the Hitler image: “Jim Jones mastered the art of conditioning his followers to obedience. He did it with a devilish ingenuity, as Hitler did it with millions, as Manson did it with his own little cult.” Robert Geline of the Time-Life News Service, in an article in The Washington Star of November 26, said this: “Paul (a member of the Jonestown commune) remembers that Jones used to preach on the evils of Nazi Germany and show films of the concentration camps on the settlement’s sophisticated closed-circuit TV system. Incredibly, while this ‘teaching was going on, the communers would salute Jones at the beginning of each mass meeting with an upraised right arm ex- tended, fist clenched. They did everything but shout, ‘Sieg Heil’.” Mr. Geline surely knows that the upraised clenched fist is the communist salute, not the Nazi. This clumsy effort at transfer fails, at least with those readers who know what the clenched fist salute signifies. But as with the transfer of the negative reaction to religion or other religious groups, the transfer from communism to fascism met with some success. The Washington Post on November 26 ran two letters to the editor drawing parallels between Jones’ followers and the Nazis. No letters were published which even mentioned that the group was Socialist, Marxist or communist.

Why the Carnage?

On November 24, CBS News aired a half-hour special, “The Horror of Jonestown,” in which the question “why” was repeatedly asked with no satisfactory answer being supplied. It was similar to the NBC production in that it never brought up Jones’ Marxism. Nor did it challenge the sincerity of his religious professions. Like NBC, CBS News looked to psychologists to provide answers, rather than to experts in totalitarian societies. Not having asked the right questions, it is not surprising that the networks and the rest of the media have not come up with any satisfactory answers. An important question that no one has asked is whether or not the Jonestown commune was succeeding. All the propaganda out of Jonestown said that everything was going great, but the evidence of the survivors does not support that. The people worked 10 to 12 hours a day on a meager subsistence diet. Some have said that the dogs ate better than the people. Meat was served only when outside visitors came. Housing was deplorable, with 14 people, including married couples, crowded into a room 12 x 20 feet. They had zero privacy. Jones deliberately tried to destablize families, encouraging husbands and wives to live separately and promoting adulterous relationships. This was no Eden. Without coercion it would crumble. Jonestown was a failure and no one knew it better than Jones. He had too big an ego to accept defeat, and the mass suicide offered a way out. If everyone died, Jonestown would be forever shrouded in mystery, with people asking why it happened and never being quite satisfied with the answer. Its darkest secrets would remain hidden. Why did the followers go along? Some thought as Jones did. Those who differed obviously saw no hope of saving themselves by resisting. With the guards training their guns on them, they were no doubt right.

Heretical Quotes From The False Prophet Joseph Smith

http://justifiedbychristalone.com/2007/10/22/heretical-quotes-from-the-false-prophet-joseph-smith/

Heretical Quotes From The False Prophet Joseph Smith

Joseph Smith blasphemously boasts that he did more than Jesus to keep a church together.

“God is in the still small voice. In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil–all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet . . . “
(History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408-409).

The arrogance of this man! To compare a bunch of people following a cult leader (Joseph Smith) who never died for them on the cross to those who watched their Savior suffer and die on a Cross!  Joseph Smith NEVER rose from the dead!

False Prophet Smith claimed the book of mormon was more correct than the infallible 100% perfect word of God – the Bible

“I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.” (History of the Church, Vol. 4, page 461)

What a liar this man was!

Just one of Joseph Smith’s numerous false prophecies

“. . .I prophesy in the name of the Lord God of Israel, unless the United States redress the wrongs committed upon the Saints in the state of Missouri and punish the crimes committed by her officers that in a few years the government will be utterly overthrown and wasted, and there will not be so much as a potsherd left . . . “
(History of the Church, Vol. 5, p. 394.)

Well that did not happen now did it?

Joseph Smith said mothers have babies in eternity and some are on thrones.
“A question may be asked, ‘Will mothers have their children in eternity?’ Yes! Yes! Mothers, you shall have your children.”
(Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, page 10).

One must ask, where is the proof? In a lying heretics’s words?!

“Eternity is full of thrones, upon which dwell thousands of children reigning on thrones of glory, with not one cubit added to their stature.”
(Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 10).

Joseph Smith said there were many Gods.

“Hence, the doctrine of a plurality of Gods is as prominent in the Bible as any other doctrine. It is all over the face of the Bible . . . Paul says there are Gods many and Lords many . . . but to us there is but one God–that is pertaining to us; and he is in all and through all”
(History of the Church, Vol. 6, page 474).

“In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it.”
(Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 5).

I suppose this may have happened on the planet kolob where the mormons say their god lives! This sounds more like an episode from Superman!

Joseph Smith blasphemously taught the Trinity is three gods.

“I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods.”
(Teachings of Prophet Joseph Smith p. 370).

Joseph Smith said God was once a man.

“God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens…I say, if you were to see him to-day, you would see him like a man in form — like yourselves, in all the person, image, and very form as a man….it is necessary that we should understand the character and being of God, and how he came to be so; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity, I will refute that idea, and will take away and do away the veil, so that you may see….and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did.”
(Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3).

This blatantly attacks the divinity of God. In a very subtle way, this is the same lie Satan used in the garden with Eve; making man as god, thus lowering god to the level of man.

Joseph Smith said our greatest responsibility is to seek after our dead.

“The greatest responsibility in this world that God has laid upon us is to seek after our dead”
(Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, page 7).

God calls this necromancy and He forbids it! This in and of itself is occultic.

Joseph Smith said that there are men living on the moon who dress like Quakers and live to be nearly 1000 years old. Since he was wrong about the moon, is it safe to trust him regarding the way to Heaven?
(The Young Woman’s Journal, Vol. 3, pages 263-264.
See reprint in Mormonism — Shadow or Reality? by Jerald and Sandra Tanner, page 4.)

Men living on the moon dressed like Quakers?! I would be laughing if so many people had not believed it at some point!

The Mormon “god” comes from the planet kolob

Some of you dare to say the Mormon religion is equal to Biblical Christianity?

For the record: I do not respect Mormonism anymore than I do Islam. To respect some thing is to put it on the same level as my own belief. I refuse to do that with teachings that are contrary to the real Word of God.

Respect human beings? Yes. Respect their teachings? No.

TheWretchedNetwork:

Salvation Through Joseph Who?

I have been looking for something simple, yet to the point on Mormonism. I found the following here:

http://wordnuggets.wordpress.com/2010/05/21/salvation-through-joseph-who/

From the standpoint of many the very simple means of salvation is elitist. They feel that the simple message of Jesus is unfair because it offers only one way to God. According to scripture salvation is through Jesus Christ. Simple? It should be and yet many want to find other doors.

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.

But this is not what the Mormon church teaches (LDS). Take a look at the following and discover their idea of salvation:

“This church…only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth” (Doctrine and Covenants, 1:30)
Apostle Bruce McConkie states: “There is no salvation outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” (Mormon Doctrine, p.670).
Marion Romney said, “This Church is the ensign on the mountain spoken of by the Old Testament prophets. It is the way, the truth, and the life” (Conference Report, April, 1961, p.119).
Mormon president and prophet Brigham Young declared: “he that confesseth not that Jesus has come in the flesh and sent Joseph Smith with the fullness of the Gospel to this generation, is not of God, but anti-christ” (Journal of Discourses, vol.9, p312).
(There is) “no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith” (Joseph Fielding Smith, in Doctrines of Salvation, vol.1, p.190).
“No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith” (Brigham Young, in Journal of Discourses, vol.7, p.289).
Bruce McConkie states: “If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation” (Mormon Doctrine, p.670).
Brigham Young stated: “Every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are” (Journal of Discourses. vol.7, p.289).
Either Jesus was right or He was wrong. If He was wrong then that why is scripture so incorrect. If scripture is incorrect then it is a free-for-all on what truth really is. Could I not start a teaching that says that only those who eat at KFC will enter heaven? Come on!

Do not fall for the story lines of anyone who has a teaching that is contrary to what the Bible says! The message is simple; it is through Jesus Christ and Him alone!

IHOP Red Flags

Following article gotten here:

http://gospelmasquerade.wordpress.com/2010/01/01/some-of-my-ihop-red-flags/

There were many, many experiences that made me do a double take and say “what?” while I was at IHOP but that internal questioning was quickly explained away or rebuked by internship leaders. Once I began to deviate from IHOP’s teachings and study scripture on my own for answers to the internal conflicts I wrestled with, I began questioning the pseudo reality I had been conditioned to embrace. Suddenly I saw the isolated red flag incidences as a seamless pattern of error and the veil of deception fell. I stopped rationalizing and justifying. Enough was enough and I was done and wanted out.

There are much more personal experiences than I can put into one single blog post, but here are a few I still recall pretty strongly.

1. Mandatory fasts which made me very physically ill. They would never admit to having “mandatory” fasts but when you don’t have any food available, close down the kitchen, give your cook the day off and don’t allow interns to hold jobs (so that they have money to go buy food if they aren’t participating in the fast) then that is called mandatory.

2. Being practically held hostage in the prayer room and told that it was required that I be there and I was not allowed to leave even though I did not feel well and wanted to go back to my apartment. I was told I needed to stay in the prayer room to be part of the “corporate anointing” and that I shouldn’t leave. It was one of my “required” prayer room sets as an intern so I spent the remainder of that 2-hour set in one of the side prayer rooms in the back sobbing on the floor because I wanted to leave so badly and our internship leaders were standing by the door. You might ask “why didn’t you just force your way out and leave anyway?” When you are part of cult where free, independent thinking is not condoned when you don’t comply with what is expected of you, very often guilt, manipulation and penalties are instated for those who resist. Interns who didn’t follow “the rules” of the internship were penalized through loss of privileges (such as loss of your day off, having to do extra work/manual labor, etc.)

3. The grip of control and micro-management increasing: greater demands and restrictions on interns (such as increased pressure to fast more to attain a higher pinnacle of spirituality) being told where we had to sit when in the prayer room, taught a model for how to pray, how to dance, sing, etc. Any form of worship outside of this model was not considered to be acceptable. It had to fit IHOP’s style and method to be admissible.

4. Mandatory journaling assignments which we had to do weekly and then we had to turn in our journals to be read by internship leaders

5. Seeing how controlled the prayer room was. Rather than having freedom to express my heart to the Lord, I was put in a box and told how I had to do everything IHOP’s way. I had reading and writing assignments whenever I was in the prayer room.

6. There was no alone time ever to really think, reason, test, question or process anything. We were run ragged from sun up to late into the night which always left me exhausted, depleted and burnt out.

7. Once when I got sick, my mother came to pick me up and internship leaders resisted letting me leave with her (even though she lived in town). My internship ‘com leader’ (short for community leader) objected and still impressed upon me the importance of going to the prayer room even though I was too sick to get off the couch. My mother said “she is my daughter and I’m taking her home and taking care of her. Period.”

8. The more leadership responsibility I was given as an intern, the more I got peeks into the “inside”. I saw the outer fringes of the internal operations of how IHOP functioned. I was on an IHOP dance team and sang as a chorus leader on a few worship teams. To dance, I had to follow a specific model that IHOP required. To sing, I had to attend the briefing/de-briefing meetings before and after each worship set where I saw first-hand how carefully controlled that the seemingly “spontaneous” aspects of worship were carefully calculated and often planned ahead of time.

9. Another intern got deathly ill and it wasn’t until she ended up being hospitalized that internship leaders took seriously the fact she was sick. They accused her of faking an illness to get out of attending IHOP classes and time in the prayer room. This was told to me directly by that intern.

10. If I wanted to go anywhere off IHOP property (even to go see my family who lived in town) I had to notify internship leaders of my whereabouts at all times. I had no autonomy or freedom as an individual. Some leaders who were 19 (but were former interns which gave them elite status) were telling me where to be, what to do and when I was expected to be home. I had to answer to them for everything. I was in my early 20’s and had lived on my own before so the feeling of suffocation and having no personal rights to space, privacy, independent thought, etc. was overwhelming.

There is much more but I think that’s a sufficient start to at least give you an idea of some of what was happening when I was at IHOP. It wasn’t until after I left that I began to see far more than I had been able to see when I was still involved. The casual observer on the periphery won’t necessarily see the reality of all that is happening there because they are seeing the veil that IHOP has built to carefully cloak the truth of a lot of what really happens.

After I left, I realized how worn out and exhausted I was in every way imaginable. I spent days and weeks sleeping and physically healing from the trauma of the experiences I had just come out of and to let my body heal from the fasting and sleep deprivation. It took a long time for me to really start healing emotionally and spiritually and to begin putting pieces together. Recovering from mental and spiritual abuse like that is a hard road and a difficult place to come out from. I did months of research after I left IHOP and the immediate dust had settled. I wanted to see the roots of the giant beanstalk that had sprouted up and choked the life out of everything in me. I started going back as far into the history of IHOP as I could. As interns we were required to listen to 18 hours of audio CDs recapping all of the history of IHOP and the “prophesies” that led to it’s starting. I started researching on the internet about the names of the so called prophets of this movement and what they had come out of. That led me to picking apart a very carefully woven web of key players that all were connected to this massive organization.

I shared with one parent who e-mailed me about her own child at IHOP the importance of praying that the Lord will open their eyes not only to see, but to recognize and identify the red flags of IHOP. The thing is, they are probably already seeing them, but rationalizing and excusing them away as isolated events rather than viewing them as a destructive pattern. I pray that the Father will show those there who are truly seeking him the pattern of red flags…making them so obvious they can no longer ignore them.

My hope is that the young people there who are much like I was will begin to question what they see and compare it with what the scripture actually says…not how Mike Bickle twists and teaches it…and that they have the courage to identify it and reject it. Those who oppose IHOP and speak out typically experience some kind of consequences or backlash. People are a commodity there. They are traded. When wounded ones leave, IHOP leadership doesn’t sweat over it…new and unsuspecting people who are ignorant of their dangerous devices but are hungry for emotionally-driven experiences and spiritual highs will come back in the same door the others left. It’s a revolving door of deception.

The deceptions of IHOP are treacherous and very real. Did God use that place in my life and work together for my good the devastation I experienced? Absolutely. But that is a testimony to the goodness of our God…not a stamp of approval on a place. Remember he spoke through a donkey and a burning bush. That doesn’t mean we should glorify donkeys and start worshiping bushes.

My desire is to see people set free to live lives of healing and wholeness…walking in genuine love and pursuing truth. My prayer is that the things you read here inspire you to that end.

RedeemedHippie:[Thank God this young person was set free from this cult. May many more come out and may the Lord use her to snatch many from this cult.]

Lessons on Hypnosis

Someone close to me recently had to get a shot in her foot. She knew it was going to be painful and understandably, she was not looking forward to it. As the doctor was preparing her for it, she was voicing her anxieties to him. The doctor was joking around with her and told her, “This isn’t going to hurt me a bit.” His joking had caught her off guard, in a sense, and he was able to give her the injection before she realized what had happened. She still felt the pain but her attention had been more drawn to the doctor’s behavior.

I’m glad she could laugh at her experience. I would not have been so friendly with the doctor, I don’t think.

It reminded me of when my father took me to get a shot when I was about six years old. He had taken a a book with us — The Three Bears — and told me if I looked at the book while getting the shot, I wouldn’t feel a thing. Uh huh, yeah right. Daddy lied.

I can still remember leaving the house with the little book in my hand, feeling some kind of power would be bestowed upon me when it came time for me to take the shot. 

Dad and I were called back to the room. He told me to look at the book. I did. But, the nurse told me to roll over. I complied. When she began to get the shot ready, I began to squirm.  I no longer felt like I was going to have the power I was looking forward to. It took my dad, two nurses and a doctor to hold me down to give me the darn thing.   

We left — Dad beet red and apologizing all over the place, and I with a sense I will never believe anything he ever tells me again. And I don’t think I got a lollypop that day!

Looking back, my father was just trying to get my mind off of what was going to take place. Although it be innocent enough, it was a type of mind control. But, I had not allowed it. I still saw the needle coming at me, still could smell the alcohol and to this day, the color white is enough to give me the shudders. My senses were not dumbed down and I knew what was coming. A whole truck load of books could not have numbed me to the inevitable. 

With all the apostacy going on within the church and society being dumbed down, is it any wonder it is done by methods of hypnosis? But we have a choice: we can either be led by these hypnotic methods or be led by God. All cults begin with mind control. Below are some of the tactics that are used to gain entrance in our minds. We are not to be ignorant. If you find yourself in any of these situations, you may want to flee. I know I will!

http://www.velocity.net/~edju/M.htm

MASS HYPNOSIS - to hypnotize he majority of people at a lecture without them realizing that their level of awareness is altered; occurs, unconciously or deliberately, if a leader is very impressive and charismatic; (a) deliberate techniques; (1) leader commands undivided attention to his or her speech; (2) rhythmic pacing and hand flinging movements are used; (3) ploy is preplanned to reach one’s basic emotional needs (personal acceptance, self-preservation, patriotism, service to others, and cultural acceptance) through fear, guilt, or excessive .love; (4) to overly repeat the pronoun you and continually point the finger at the audience; (b) all this narrows one’s concentration to the theme of the lecture which automatically relinquishes the conscious mind from its role and allows the uncritical subconscious mind to surface and accept the material as presented, and the leader makes her or his point; the more clever the leader is with the above tactics, the more hypnotized each member becomes, and the more unlikely to question the material of the lecture; (c) most ministers and lecturers capture their audience’s attention by using some of the above methods of delivery; this is a good way for the audience to grasp the meaning of the speech; it is absolutely necessary in a healing program as one is more receptive to healing energies when in an alpha (hypnotic) state of consciousness; e.g., slaying-in-the-spirit-meetings; 2. to hypnotize the majority of people at a gathering by playing loud, rhythmic music; music has been composed in a special key that will have a hypnotic effect on the audience; chanting special chants also put members in an alpha state of consciousness; (a) music is deliberately played played at meetings designed for brainwashing the audience; 3. dangers: one should know how to shield one’s self from this during the first encounter with the speaker so one can keep from being put into a hypnotic state and be able to make a clear-cut decision regarding the speaker’s intelligence, integrity and intent; (this all is a form of brainwashing but do not confuse it with destructive-brainwashing). (Inconcl.) [cf. MASS ELEMENTAL, MASS KARMA, BRAINWASHING, SUGGESTION, DESTRUCTIVE-BRAINWASHING CULT].

“(a)” above with its 4 points is very, very typical Rodney Howard Browne! H e has actually told his audience to, “Look at me!” Rhythmic pacing is absolutely a Browne classic.

http://www.velocity.net/~edju/H.htm

HYPNOTIC ECSTASY – to use rhythmic dancing, chanting, loud music, or singing to induce an ALTERED STATE OF CONSCIOUSNESS leaving the individual feeling elated and on an emotional high; the rhythmic beat and prolonged span of movement subdues the conscious mind and brings the subject to an alfa state in which he or she may perceive visions have other psychic experiences; done in religious ceremonies or traditional gatherings. [cf. WHIRLING DERVISHES, TRIBAL DANCING, CHARISMATIC].

More strong similaritites to “revival” meetings.
HYPNOTIC TOUCH – to reach a relaxed state of consciousness with only a touch of the hypnotist’s hand, after being conditioned in many hypnotic sessions to respond to this. [cf. COOPERATIVE SUGGESTION, PULSING, REEDUCATION].

The touch – typical during “revival” meetings.

MP 3 Experiment (Part 6)

This is how cults are formed.

I’m sure taking part in something like this could be quite “fun” and “innocent.”  Appears harmless enough, right? It’s far from harmless. What it is doing is conditioning a large mass of people to all do the very same thing at the same time. Creating a bond, a sense of camredrerie that is meant to take away any sense of  indivuality.

Music is a powerful force. It can be used for good or evil. When it is used to manipulate, it is evil. True, all the people had a choice. But suppose at some point you had no choice but to take part in some kind of electronically induced event? Could you, would you be strong enough NOT to go along or at the very least not be a sheeple and led like everyone else around you?

Does the book of Daniel come to anyone’s mind?

“So at that time, when all the people heard the sound of the horn, flute, harp, and lyre, in symphony with all kinds of music, all the people, nations, and languages fell down and worshiped the gold image which King Nebuchadnezzar had set up.” Daniel 3:7

Jim Jones Death Tape (Part 2)

I’m sorry to inconveince the reader but you will have to go to the bottom of the page to see part one. I’ve not yet learned how to put these things in order.

Most of the transcript follows:

Jones: I’ve got people’s lives in my hands and I certainly don’t want your life in my hands. I’m gonna tell you Christine without me, life has no meaning.

(Great shouts and applause)

RedeemedHippie>>>[With his first sentence he KNEW he had them. He KNEW he had their lives in his hands. The next sentence--what arrogance! What pride! What delusions! And the people went along with him. People want to say over the years this was "religion." Well, yes, it was--in a way. Anytime anyone sets themselves up as a messiah or savior, and when people worship them, it DOES become a religion. But it is far from Christianity.

Lucifer was speaking through Jim Jones. Lucifer was cast out of heaven because of his pride, because of trying to make himself greater than he was. It was the very same spirit in Jim Jones on that awful day. It is one of anti-christ. The people applauded his lies. How sad. How very sad. They had believed Jone's lies for so long they could not even know the truth. God says in his Word that when we do not have a love for the truth He will send a delusion. It is part of judgment. These people could not see truth because they had no love for truth.]

Jones: I’m the best thing, you’ll ever have.

RedeemedHippie>>>[Once again such arrogance and pride. Jones was a liar. The best thing for any of those people would have been if they had been able to come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ and get out the heck out of there.

He plays on any loyalty, sub-consciously reminding them what all he did for them. They were the ones who had to give their all to him; friends, family, their complete trust and loyalty, their children, homes, jobs, money-- everything!  Jones sacrificed nothing of himself all those years he was building his kingdom!]   

Jones: I’m standing with you the people. They’re part of me…I never detached myself from any of your troubles. I’ve always taken your troubles right on my shoulders. And I’m not gonna change that now. It’s too late. I’ve been running too long. I’m not gonna change now.

(Applause)

RedeemedHippie>>>[He really is saying nothing that any other cult leader has never said. He says it with passion and plays on their emotions. Causing them to unite even more to him. He manipulates them in believing it is all about his loyalty to them, but it is really about their loyalty to them.] 

Jones: What I’m talking about now is a dispensation of judgment. This is a revolutionary suicide council. I’m not talking self destruction. We have no other road.]

Redeemedhippie>>>[He is a liar. It was self destruction. Change the meaning to words and you can get anyone to believe anything. He also is taking away more hope.]

Jones: I’ll take your call and we will put it to the Russians and I can tell you now the answer because I am a prophet. Call the Russians and see if they’ll take us.

RedeemedHippie>>>[His arrogance once again is not only appauling, but wickedly deceitful. A true christian would have been able to see he was no prophet.]

Christine Miller: I’m not afraid to die.

Jones: No, I don’t think you are. I don’t think you are.

RedeemedHippie>>>[Was this the man Jones speaking or was it Satan? Either way, Jones knew she was upsetting his plans by her even questioning his greatness. He had to appeal to any pride or loyalty to him she may have had.]

Christine: But I …look at the babies and I think they deserve to live.

RedeemedHippie>>>[One lone brave courageous soul out of the whole bunch! And not one soul listened to her. Unbelievable!]

Jones: I agree. But once much more, they deserve peace.

(Applause)

RedeemedHippie>>>[He manages to eliminate the truth she spoke by sounding so caring for the babies. And the people applauded him, completely forgetting Christine Miller's words.]

Christine: We all came her for peace.

Jones: Have we had it?

(Some shouts of “No.”

Christine: No

Jones: I tried to give it to you, I laid down my life practically. I practically died every day to give you peace and you’re still not having any peace and you look better than what I’ve seen you in a long while but it’s still not the kind of peace I wanted to give you. A person’s a fool to continue to stay when you’re losing.

Redeemedhippie>>>[Once again, it is all about him. He is their messiah, their savior and oh he tried so hard. Notice how he tells her she looks good. BUT it is still not good enough. Not in his eyes. This is another form of manipulation as it may cause her to maybe even question her own judgement. Then he more or less calls her a fool! Which immediately causes her to lose any credibility among her peers. This too is manipulation.]

(Talk about the plane)

Christine: When you, when we destroy ourselves, we’re defeated.

Redeemedhippie>>>[Was this a slip of the tongue here? Was she getting ready to say when you destroy us? Only God knows.] 

Jones: Did you see I live to fight no more forever?

Christine: Yes, I saw it.

Jones: Did you not have some sense of pride and victory in that man that he would not subject himself to the will and whim of people who tell they’re gonna come in and whenever they please, push into our house, come when they please, take who they want to, talk who they want to. Is that living? That’s not living to me.

(Shouts of agreement)

Redeemedhippie>>>[He uses the movie as an example, as the movie was something they all had in common. He continues to instill fear and take away all hope.]

Jones: That’s not freedom. That’s not the kind of freedom I sought.

Christine: But I think when they made their mistake is when they stopped to rest. If they had gone on they would have made it. But they stopped to rest.

(A man steps forward and speaks to Christine)

Man: Sister, it’s over. We’ve made that day. We made a beautiful day. And let’s make it a beautiful day.

(Shouts of “yes!” and applause)

Jones: We win when we go down then they have no one else to hate…There’s nobody else to hate…I’m speaking here, not as an administrator, I’m speaking as a prophet today. I wouldn’t step in this seat and talk so serious if I didn’t know what I was talking about…But I can not separate myself from the pain of my people. You can’t either, Christine if you stop and think about it. You can’t separate yourself. We’ve walked too long together.]

Redeemedhippie>>>[By setting himself up as a prophet, he can say anything he wants and make people believe it is the truth. He pretends he has such love for the people by saying he can not seperate himself from them. He sets her up for the same thing by saying she can not seperate herself either. (If she does, she no longer will appear loyal to him and the others.)

Christine: I know that but I still think as an individual I have a right to…

Redeemdhippie>>>[This woman is thinking for herself now and she is in the fight of her life. In socialism/communism that is not allowed. IF there were others who remotely thought like her, they should have spoken up. But they did not. Their worship of Jones was too great. They still cared about what he thought about them!]

Jones: You do and I’m listening.

Redeemedhippie>>>[Yes, he was listening but he was not hearing her. Besides, he knew someone would come to his defense. Which is exactly what happened.]

Chrisitne: …to what I think, what I feel. And I think we all have the right to our own destiny as individuals.

Jones: Right.

Christine: And I think I have the right to choose mine and everybody else has the right to choose theirs.

Jones: Umhum. Umhum…I’m not criticizing…what’s that?

(Woman speaks against Christine)

Christine: I still think I have a right to my own opinion.

RedeemedHippie>>>[Anytime where you have a dictator, it is NOT allowed to have a different opinion!]

(Crowd is angry)

Jones: I’m not taking it from you. I’m not taking it from you.

RedeemedHippie>>>[Liar! He knew exactly what was going to happen. Did he tell her she could leave? No!

What follows next is completely mind-blowing; to think anyone would think this way about another human being. ]

Man: Christine, you’re only standing here because he is here in the first place. So I don’t know what you’re talking about, having your individual rights. Your life has been extended to the day that you‘re standing there, because of him.

(Shouts of adulation)

RedeemedHippie>>>[Now I DARE anyone to call me this was christianity at work. It was not!]

Jones: She has as much right to speak as anyone else…you will regret this very day if you don’t die. You’ll regret it even if you don’t die. You’ll regret it.

Redeemdhippie>>>[He pretends he is giving her freedom. Only to go on and instill more fear and intimidation.]

Christine: (inaudible)

Jones: I saved them, I saved them but I made my example. I made my concession. I made my manifestation and the world was ready, not ready for me.

RedeemedHippie>>>[Luicfer speaking right through him! It was anti-christ spirit.]

Jones: Paul said, as a man born out of due season. I’ve been born out of due season just as like all we are. And the best testimony we can make is to leave this god d— world!

(Applause)

RedeemedHippie>>>[And if that wasn't Satan, tell me what it was?! To think he gets applause! To think every last one of them would not or could not speak out. All but Christine Miller, that is.]

The crowd becomes angry with Christine. She is verbally being abused and challenged by a woman. Christine asks for permission to talk. And then…

Something very odd here at 6:28: This voice is either warped because of the age of the tape or it sounds like a devil, “It’s not proper to tell your leader what to do.”

(The crowd agrees)

Jones: I’m listening to you. You asked me to make a call to Russia. I’m making a call to Russia. What MORE do you suggest?

RedeemedHippie>>>[No evidence of him making a call to Russia.]

(The crowd is still put out with Christine)

Angry Woman: We won’t do any f—— good in Russia. God d— it!

Jones: Lay down your burdens. I’m gonna lay down my burdens. Down by the riverside. So we lay them down here in Guyana. What’s the difference?

(Applause)

Jones: No man didn’t take our life, right now….But when they start parachuting out of the air, they’ll start shooting some of our innocent babies…I don’t want to see this, Christine. Cause they gotta shoot me to get through to some of these people. I’m not letting them take you, John. Are you gonna let them take you John?

(Shouts of no)

RedeemedHippie>>>[ Jones is pretending allegiance to these people.]

Christine asks increduously: You mean you want to see John die? (Jones’ small son)

Jones: What’s that?

Christine: You mean you want to see John, the little one…”

(Crowd becomes more enraged at Christine)

Jones: I want to…peace, peace, peace, peace, peace. (Trying to calm the crowd)

A woman asks Christine: Are you saying that he thinks more of him than other children here? That’s what you’re saying.

Jones: Do you think I would put Johns life above others?………….

Christine: He’s young.

Jones: I know but he’s no different than any of these children here. He’s just one of my children. I don’t prefer one above another…I can’t do that. I can’t separate myself from your actions. If you done something wrong I would stand with you. If they wanted to come and get you they would have to take me.

Man runs up: We’re all ready to go. If you tell us we have to give our lives now. We’re ready. I’m pretty sure all my sisters and brothers are with me.

(Shouts of acceptance)

Jones: Someone has tried to keep this thing from happening but I now see it’s the will, it’s the will of a sovereign being that’s happened to us. Now we lay down our lives in protest against what’s being done…did you notice who walked out today? Mostly white people…the white people walks. I’m so grateful for the ones who didn’t….There’s no point to this. We are born before our time. They won’t accept us. And I don’t think we should sit here and take any more time for our children to be endangered…they come after our children…then our children will suffer forever.

RedeemedHippie>>>[Being the good socialist that he was, he knew EXACTLY how to bring division among his people and still have their loyalty. He got them mad at the whites who desired to leave and live, causing a greater allegiance to himself!]

Jim Jones Death Tape (Part 1)

Those in the media back in the late 70s when this happened, wanted to blame “religion” for this horriffic crime. They can not do that anymore. This was socialism at work. For more information, pick up the book “Raven” by Tim Reiterman.

Cults have fascinated me for many years. From Hitler, to Charles Manson, to Jim Jones–and all those before and after. Even, the one that led me to the Lord. Yes, that is right. It was a cult that led me to the Lord. I was one of the fortunate ones; God saved me from it within a short while after coming to Him. He wasn’t about to let me go to a cult after delivering me out of the occult.  Not everyone is that blessed. I could have easily been one of those who looked upon Jim Jones or Charles Manson as some great one, such as their followers did. I could have easily been led astray into lies and false doctrines as their followers were. But God had such mercy on me. Why? I’m not any better than those who are deceived into thinking someone is some great one. It is simply because God will have mercy on who He will have mercy.

Even though you can see the video above for yourself, I have posted parts of the transcript below to point out the deceptions of this man. It is never too late to come to the truth–unless you drink the kool-aid. No pun intended. There is nothing humorous about the Jim Jones tragedy.

The ONLY way it could have been prevented–was not from government and congressmen getting involved; but from the truth of God being proclaimed. I often wonder how many of these people had Christians in their life that spoke truth to them. Did any of them? And if they had, why did they not listen? It could only be because they were in great deception and would rather believe lies.

The lie that Jim Jones was a god to them. The lie that they could create heaven on earth. The lie that there was no god. All these things are anti-christ. Jim Jones was anti-christ, such as were his followers; unless, they were able to come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ before their gruesome death.

Keep in mind when you hear his voice; it is a devil speaking through him. The devil is a liar and the father of all lies.

Parts of transcript:

Jones: How very much I have loved you. How much I have tried my best to give you a good life.

(Applause from the crowd)

RedeemedHippie>>>[He has already set himself up as God, here. Preparing them for loyalty to him. Preparing the people that he will be a martyr. And the poor people love it so.]

Jones: In spite of all that I have tried, a handfull of our people with their lies have made our lives impossible.

RedeemedHippie>>>[He sets the people up as one to believe the lie that they are victims. He is beginning to take away any hope they may have. Also notice he uses the word "I." Never mind the hundreds who built that place with the sweat of their brow and devotion to him.]

Jones: We are sitting here waiting on a powder keg.

RedeemedHippie>>>[He gives them great cause to fear.]

Jones: It was said by the greatest of prophets,…, no man takes my life from me, I lay my life down.

(Cries from the crowd.)

RedeemedHippie>>>[He is setting himself up as Jesus.]

Jones: But you can’t steal people’s children.

RedeemedHippie>>>[Jones was the one who stole children. Parents were not allowed to raise their own children in his group. So he does what a good socialist does, he turns around his own doings, twisting things to his advantage.]

Jones: You can’t take off with people’s children without expecting a violent reaction. And that’s no so unfamiliar to us either. Even if we were judeo-christian, if we weren’t communists, the world…sufferest violence and the violence will take it by force.

RedeemedHippie>>>[He admits they were not christian. He admits they were communists! He even quotes the Word of God. So if one can merely quote the Bible does that make them a follower of Jesus? No. Satan knows the scriptures very well.]

Jones: If we can’t live in peace. Then let’s die in peace.

(Great shouts and applause)

RedeemedHippie>>>[Those who applauded and shouted just gave more power to the enemy of their soul. I wonder here; how many were thinking it was just another white night and they would soon be released to go back to their shack and allowed to go to bed. I wonder how many did not shout and applause and what they were thinking. Surely, there had to be some that God was revealing himself to, as they were about to die.]

Jones: We have been so betrayed. We have been so terribly betrayed.

RedeemedHippie>>>[He uses the word 'we" to bring a spirit of camerderie among his followers. He sets them up for more victimhood.]

Jones: If this only worked one day, it was worth while.

(Applause)

RedeemedHippie>>>[No. Not if it was getting ready to take the lives of 1,800 (?) people. No, it is not worth dying for just because it did not work.

He then tells them about what is to take place at the air strip. He is pretending to be aprophet here. He lets on like some great power told him before the fact.]

Jones: Plane is going to come down in the jungle and we had better not have any of our children left when it is over. Cause they’ll parachute in here on us. I’m telling you as plain as I know how to tell you. I’ve never lied to you. Never never lied to you.

Redeemdhippie>>>[He plays on their emotions and loyalty to him. He never lied to them? Jim Jones's father was Satan. The devil was speaking through him even then, preparing to take as many to hell as he could within the hour!]

Jones: So my opinion is, we be kind to children and we be kind to seniors. Take the potion like they used to take in ancient greece. Step over quietly. Cause we are not committing suicide. It’s a revolutionary act. We can’t go back. They won’t leave us alone.

RedeemedHippie>>>[First he uses the most defensless among them to appear kind and caring; the children and the seniors. He begins to prepare them to die. It is not suicide? Liar! A revolutionary act? Liar! He is binding them together as one with his words. He instills more paranoia in his followers leaving them with no hope. Step over quietly??? I shudder to think of the ones who took the kool-aid believing this, only to be thrown into the arms of devils and demons!] 

Jones: They’ll go back and tell more lies which will mean more congressmen and there’s no way, no way we can survive.

RedeemedHippie:>>>[He takes away more hope--instilling more fear in them. What does God'sWord say? It says, "Perfect love casts out all fear." Jim Jones had no perfect love in him.]

Jones: Anyone who has a dissenting opinion? Please speak.

(Somene speaks but inaudible)

Jones: You’re going to have an opportunity but if we have any children left, we’re going to have them butchered.

RedeemedHippie>>>[Did he say what I thought? That if there were any children left, "we're going to have them butchered." We? As in them? What did any sane parent think at those words?]

(He passes blame)

Jones: The people in San Fransico will not be idle. They’ll not take our death in vain, you know.

Redeemdhippie>>>[Preparing them to be martyrs. I wonder how many were wishing they were in San Fransico?]

Christine Miller, one lone courageous woman stands up– only to be ridiculed at some point: Is it too late for Russia?

He sounds hopeless in telling her it is too late for Russia.

Jones: Do you think I’m gonna deliver them to you all? Not on your life. I’ve lived for all and I’ll die for all.

[Shouts of admiration]

RedeemedHippie>>>[He plays on their loyalty to him by pretending to be loyal to them.]

Jones: I was living on hope for a long time, Christine. You always have been a good agitator and I like agitation because you have to teach two sides on an issue. Two sides to a question. …these people going to make our life worse than a hell. Make the Russians not accept us…We are done in as far as any alternative.]

RedeemedHippie>>>[He plays on Christine Miller's past loyalty to him. Hoping to still bind her to himself.]

Christine: I feel like we make an airlift to Russia. That’s what I say. I don’t feel nothing is impossible.

Jones: Check Russia and see if they take us, otherwise we die. But for me death is not a fearful thing. It’s living that’s treacherous.

(Shouts and applause)

RedeemedHippie>>>[With his words he has just alienated Christine Miller. As any good follower at that moment would have sided with him.]

Jones: Christine it’s not worth living like this.

Christine Miller: I think there were too few people who left for twelve hundrend people to give their lives.

RedeemedHippie>>>[I can't but help believe this was one woman who was beginning to see the truth.]

Jones: Do you think Russia is going to want us? Do you think they’re going to want us with all this stigma? We had some value but now we don’t have any value.

Christine Miller: I don’t see it like that. I don’t feel like that. I feel like as long as there is life, there is hope. That’s my faith.

RedeemedHippie>>>[One lone woman; one brave soul.]

Jones: Everybody dies. Someplace that hope runs out becasue everybody dies. I haven’t seen anybody yet that didn’t die. I’ld like to chose my own kind of death for a change. I’m tired of being tormented to hell, that’s what I’m tired of. Tired of it.

(Applause)