Apostate Rob Bell affirms Homosexuality

This is what happens when pastors and preachers all through America could not discern Rob Bell in the first place. When you can not discern something from the beginning, you end up having to deal with a greater delusion later on.

Would not surprise me one bit, if Rob Bell himself comes out at some point and says he is a homosexual. Does that make me judging? I’ve done said, I have known/know lots of homosexuals through my lifetime and loved each and everyone of them. But I dare not help them stay in the kingdom of darkness, by affirming them in their behavior.

Justin Hoke: Rob Bell in a clear demonstration of loving the world, affirms homosexuality. God can and does save homosexuals, but not apart from repentance. You cannot be homosexual and a Christian at the same time. Some Christians may struggle with homosexual sinful desires, but Bell is not saying any of this, rather he is boldly calling good what God has called sin.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/rob-bell-on-gay-marriage-support-god-pulling-us-ahead-to-affirm-gay-brothers-sisters-92395/

“I believe God [is] pulling us ahead into greater and greater affirmation and acceptance of our gay brothers and sisters and pastors and friends and neighbors and coworkers,” former megachurch pastor and best-selling author Rob Bell explained just days after surprising the evangelical Christian community with his expressed support for same-sex marriage.

I have said this many times and will say it again: Not everyone is our sister and brother. What part of “you must be born – again” is it that these apostates do not get? http://redeemedhippiesplace.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/who-are-the-children-of-god/

The former Mars Hill Bible Church founder and controversial Love Wins author told Odyssey Networks in an interview published Wednesday that many people are “realizing that God makes some of us one way and some of us another, and it can be a beautiful thing.”

If Rob Bell is referring to homosexuality here, and I believe he is, then he building an image of God that is not true. It is a lying anti-christ spirit. To call beautiful what God has called sin, is a lie from hell. 

The video interview, titled “Why Rob Bell Supports Gay Marriage,” comes just days after the Michigan church founder visited San Francisco’s Grace Cathedral (the Episcopal Cathedral of the Diocese of California) in a promotional book tour to discuss his purpose for writing What We Talk About When We Talk About God, his views on evangelical Christianity and future projects he has lined up.

During that event, Bell was asked about his stance on same-sex marriage and he explained that he was “for marriage.”

“I am for fidelity. I am for love, whether it’s a man and a woman, a woman and a woman, a man and a man. I think the ship has sailed and I think that the church needs to just … this is the world that we are living in and we need to affirm people wherever they are,” he responded.

Really? Would that I am for love thingy include being able to marry your dog, goat or pig?

What Rob Bell really wanted to say was, “I think the ship has sailed and I think that the church needs to just get on board.” Do we affirm others as well? 

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. — 1 Corinthians 6:9 – 11 –

Some observers expressed disappointment with Bell’s unorthodox view and found his remarks surprising, although the popular Christian author has expressed similar views in the past, previously calling gays and lesbians who identify as Christians “passionate disciples of Jesus.”

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Brad Williams, an Alabama-based Baptist pastor, denounced Bell’s comments, calling it “disconcerting for a Christian leader to say that the church should simply get in line with whatever the culture says.”

“… one thing the Christian cannot do is ask Scripture to take a back seat to cultural whims. That is what Bell is asking of us,” Williams wrote for Patheos.

“The universal church simply cannot follow Bell where he is going. The church has to be clear, and her leaders ought to be clear about the Bible’s teachings.”

Amid the criticism Bell has received, Brian McLaren, a friend of Bell’s and a well-known pastor specializing in post-evangelical thought who is also gay-affirming, has commended him for his “courageous” remarks.

“I think this is further evidence that we are reaching a tipping point in our culture where marriage equality will be seen in much of the way as the struggle for women’s equality and for civil rights now are seen as we look back in our history,” McLaren, who has been identified as part of the controversial emergent church, said in a video interview also with Odyssey Networks. “It takes courage to make these kinds of statements when you’re an author and speaker as Rob and I are, but it’s especially painful for pastors and priests to work this out in the midst of pastoral ministry.”

Liar. No, it does not take courage. All one needs is compromise. It takes courage to stand for the truth.

In his new book, What We Talk About When We Talk About God, Bell shares his take on how some theological ideas present in mainstream Christianity are outdated and irrelevant to the changing times – and that God is in many ways steps ahead of these old ideas and is pulling people forward.

Out right apostacy! The Word of God says: Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, … — Hebrews 13:8,9 –

Who is Rob Bell to change the word of God?

“A lot of people when they say, ‘By God ahead do you mean by same-sex marriage?’ – Yes,” Bell said in his March 20 interview.

“We live in a world where we have friends, neighbors, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, people we journey with for years who are gay. And we need to love, affirm and all of us together work on the real problems that we have in the world. And I think that’s one of the things you’re seeing now, is you’re seeing God pull us all forward into a greater realization that we need more love, we need more fidelity, we need more monogamy, we need more people who are committed to each other.”

But no! We need more people who are committed to God, more committed to the truth!

“So this is a huge moment when I think lots of us are realizing that the old way of seeing things doesn’t work,” he added. “It causes so much pain and heartache and God’s inviting us to see things in new ways and we need to say ‘yes’ and then we need to step into the future together.”

Rob Bell and those who follow him, are of an anti-christ spirit. He is leading countless thousands right into the bowels of hell.

Bell also shared that he believes technology has played a major part in the shifting of many long-held views, saying that the Internet in particular has shown that people cannot live in their own “tribal bubbles” or “cocooned off” from the real world.

He added, “What happens when you are all suddenly exposed to thousands of different viewpoints is it can call your own into question and it can have this refining fire dimension to it when you realize that ‘wow, I’ve been living with a bunch of views and perspectives that don’t actually work and don’t actually bring life. So I need to be honest about that.’ And that can be painful, but it’s also liberating and that’s where the life is.”

What he is saying, is, it is ok to compromise the truth for the sake of getting something to work.

Bell, who left the Michigan congregation he founded in 1999 to move to California last year, is currently on a promotional tour for What We Talk About When We Talk About God. The former pastor, whose best-selling Love Wins book challenged traditional teachings on a literal, eternal hell and belief in Jesus Christ as a prerequisite for heaven, has also shared that he is developing a faith-inspired television show with “Lost” series creator Carlton Cuse.

And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. — Matthew 24: 4,5 –

Why does God whisper to us?

We are entering a time like never before where we must learn to hear God’s voice. Brother Ian has given us a great teaching and example of what that looks like. It is a long read, but I can promise you well worth your time.

http://ianvincent.wordpress.com/2013/05/04/why-does-god-whisper-to-us-3/

By Ian Vincent

Why does God whisper to us?

It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter. Proverbs 25:2

If a king had to shout at his servants to get them to do anything it would indicate he is not highly esteemed or honored. But if the king only has to whisper a word and his servants scramble into action it indicates the king is honored by his servants. The servant and friend of God who will obey even the slightest prompting or whisper of the Holy Spirit is truly a person who loves and honors and fears God.

The immature wrongly think that if God has to thunder or shout at them to get them to do something then it means they are important, but they are ignorant of the fact that when they ignored His gentle promptings they were dishonoring Him.

It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: It has to be this way as it’s a matter of His glory. His glory is in the fact that He conceals. …But the honor of kings is to search out a matter. When we put all our being into seeking God and what He is saying to us, it both honors Him and honors us.

(Even though God lives inside us He never directs us to look inwardly to find Him. The Holy Spirit never causes a person to pray to God in them, but rather to God the Father who is in heaven, hallowed be His name…)

A more pertinent example of the difference in honor between whispering and shouting would be simply the case of a father and a son working together, and the father quietly asks, Son, would you come over here and lend me a hand? But the son ignores. Maybe he thinks that because his dad spoke so gently that really he doesn’t need any help or it’s not urgent. Again the father asks and is ignored. Then he shouts and the son jumps up and rushes over to help. That’s a shame on the son, right? He dishonored his dad by misjudging him. When he ignored his dad he was judging his dad.

If we ignore the gentle quiet voice of the Holy Spirit, then have we judged God? We have judged Him as a person who is not so close to us. We have judged Him as distant and detached and not as indwelling and abiding in us. To hear and heed the whispers of God we need to have faith in His true nature that even though He is Almighty God, He dwells with the humble and lowly, and is so acquainted with them that He expects them to know the whisper they hear in their spirit is actually the voice of their Father. But a person who doesn’t really know the true nature of the Father will be expecting to hear the voice of God thru more spectacular means.

It seems like a paradox that God Almighty can be present in a Christian and yet they find it hard to hear His voice.

Many say that to hear the voice of God all one needs to do is open the Bible and read it. That’s true when we are talking about establishing the truth which is in Jesus; however it is not always true when it comes to living your life led by the Holy Spirit. The Bible is not a substitute for the Holy Spirit but they work together. Yet there are Christians today who do claim to be led by the Bible and yet their lives are not led by the Holy Spirit. We should remember that when we read the Bible, if the Holy Spirit were not our personal tutor then we would not understand a word.

It would be foolish to try and depersonalize the Holy Spirit and say that He does not speak to us today when in fact He communicates everything that God has to say to us when we are submitted to the Lord Jesus Christ. Christ rules our lives by the ministry of the Holy Spirit revealing His Truth and Words to us. When our life is yielded to Him, He shows us where to go, what to speak, what to do…. everything.

It’s not just you and the Bible. The Bible does not tell you all the details of what the LORD wants you to do. Obviously, He never intended that you would have to open the Bible every moment to find out when you should pray, who you should pray for, whom you should speak to, and every detail of our life. If you have truly bowed the knee to Jesus Christ then you can only live by His guidance which is by the leading of the Holy Spirit. If you have not truly bowed your knee then it won’t really matter to you whether the Holy Spirit guides you or not. It’s not just you and the Bible. It’s you, the Bible and the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Many saved evangelicals today are not filled and not led by the Holy Spirit as per the New Testament examples, so it is not surprising that many don’t understand what it means to be led by the Holy Spirit. Which is a vicious circle, yet it is His grace alone that breaks thru that closed loop. All saved people have the Holy Spirit indwelling, but not all are filled with the Spirit. And such people do hear the voice of the Holy Spirit to a certain extent, understanding the Scriptures to a certain extent and having assurance of salvation, but they often don’t realize that it is He who is speaking to them. They just think it is their own thoughts speaking to them.

This is where our closed-loop kicks in. When a person thinks that it is their own intelligence or diligence in study which is the vehicle by which they have understood what they think they understand, then they have been deceived by their own ego. That’s what closes the loop and forms the vicious circle and cuts them off from hearing the Holy Spirit – their intellectual pride. They are more self-taught than taught by the Spirit.

He whispers so that He can only be heard if we are close to Him

Why does God whisper to us? Why doesn’t He shout? As that way His voice would be unmistakable, right? He whispers to us so that He can only be heard if we are close to Him, if we’re in the place where we should be: in the quiet place of rest, the rest of faith in Him, in heart communion with Him. But His still small voice is so quiet that we can easily shrug it off as being just from ourselves.

For the King to whisper it means He only wants you to hear Him if you’re close to Him, and you are close to Him if you believe Him and love Him, He is closer than your own heart. Then it’s clearly a question of love and of honor. If man will honor Him then man will hear Him. If anyone really wants to hear His voice, they will.

It means God will not communicate with those who refuse to honor Him. If a man says he wants to hear from God but he doesn’t want to live close to God then he is going to be deceived for God will not fellowship and talk with such a man who wants a distanced relationship with God.

Many times we hear His voice but we don’t take heed. What can we learn from this? Why do we sometimes miss Him? Because there was a mixture in our life, crowding Him out to a certain degree so that His voice was indistinct among other voices or things craving our attention. But these missed opportunities are really golden opportunities to learn the way He relates to us; how He wants us to relate to Him according to His wisdom.

We sometimes mistakenly think that as we mature in the Lord He will speak in a louder voice to us, but it isn’t so. Rather, as we mature we grow to honor Him more, and esteem His communion and fellowship more and more precious to us; therefore we can hear more clearly because hearing His voice is so precious to us. If hearing and obeying His voice is extremely precious to you; more precious than anything in this world, then you will hear.

But to the self-willed, hearing God’s voice is irrelevant and they even contemptuously consider such a thing is a sign of weakness.

Another reason some believers struggle to hear God’s voice is that they haven’t yet fully and unconditionally surrendered their own agenda to take up His agenda – not denied themselves and taken up their cross to follow Jesus wherever he goes. They’ve already made up their mind what they’re going to do and made their own plans, so then God doesn’t disturb them with His plans.

When God speaks to a man or woman in their spirit it is the most wonderful thing in this life. But it’s reserved for those who will honor Him with their lives, with the obedience of their whole heart and soul and mind, it is the honor He gives His friends.

The promptings of the Holy Spirit

The still small voice of the Holy Spirit, His gentle promptings and impressions, though they are so quiet and we can easily ignore or miss them, yet they are the big thing. Interesting how God works, that the biggest thing comes to us as the smallest thing. (How God was manifest in human flesh and was born as a baby)

That quiet impression is the Creator God speaking to you! The natural mind expects the voice of God to be some momentous event, like thunder on the mountain and so obvious that no one could miss it. But the oh-so-gentle prompting to send an email of encouragement to someone; to make a call; to go visit some one – whatever: responding and obeying His promptings is the heart of walking with and following Jesus.
But notice how when we discuss this there is delineation between walking by the Spirit and walking by the intellect alone. Our intellect must be renewed by and submitted to the rule of Christ – His peace ruling and reigning in our hearts.

Subjective Guidance

Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden by the Holy Spirit to preach the word in Asia, After they were come to Mysia, they attempted to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit permitted them not. And they passing by Mysia came down to Troas. And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, beseeching him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us. And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavored to go into Macedonia, concluding that the Lord had called us to preach the gospel unto them. Acts 16:6-10

…forbidden by the Holy Spirit

…but the Spirit permitted them not

…seen the vision

This is subjective guidance. In this particular case the Holy Spirit did not use any Scripture in order to communicate God’s specific will and guidance to Paul. The anti-charismatic people could criticize Paul that he was being led by subjective spiritual experiences and not by the Word of God. Or was it OK for Paul to be led by subjective experiences because he was an Apostle, but it’s not OK for us today? They are asking us to believe that the Holy Spirit has changed since then in the way He communicates the will of God to Jesus disciples, which is a false teaching. The Holy Spirit has never changed the way He communicates.

The Holy Spirit is the only way in which The Father thru the Son communicates with His people. Hearing the voice of God may throw some people off. They may think it implies hearing voices in your head, like a psychiatric patient hears voices. Then let’s use the word communication. Is there a spiritual (Spirit to spirit) communication between The Shepherd and His sheep? Does the Shepherd communicate with you in your spirit and not just your mind?

Unless you see a Scripture will you say that the Shepherd has not communicated with you?

If you answer, No, then just check that you are truly one of His sheep, who hears His voice and follows Him wherever He goes. The Truth of the Scriptures always influences everything we are hearing from the Holy Spirit. Any subjective guidance will always be strongly consistent with the nature of Christ as revealed in Scripture. If there is any inconsistency or contradiction with the nature of Christ as revealed in Scripture then it is not the Holy Spirit we are hearing. And in all I’m saying here I’m appealing to the Truth of the Scriptures as the last word.

Yes, you may be disgusted by the abuses and falsehood associated with people who claim to hear the voice of God as if they were talking on the telephone to Him. So am I. Yet don’t let such abuses and error make you rebound off into error by ricocheting off on in the opposite extreme and becoming just as unbiblical as they are.

Yes, some who claim to be bible fundamentalists are very unbiblical.

Interpretation of His guidance

…Concluding that the Lord had called us to preach the gospel unto them. Acts 16:10

Concluding that… Paul had to interpret the vision or dream as being a message or direction from God. He had to draw a conclusion from the vision to interpret its meaning. This is quite helpful. We need to know whether God is speaking to us thru various means and to know that He requires us in each instance to interpret what He is saying to us.

Hearing God’s voice requires interpretation. Paul concluded what God was telling him thru the vision. So hearing the voice of God can also mean coming to a conclusion about a turn of events.

Hearing the voice of God is deeper than an experience. I’ve only used the term subjective experience as a concession or a bridge for the sake of communication, but it’s not the best definition. It would be more accurate to say that God communicates to us or speaks to us by causing us to know something in our spirit.

A Witness

The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God.. Romans 8:16

This is another aspect of what it means to hear the voice of God – a witness from the Holy Spirit. Are we earnestly seeking to do God’s will, and consequently do our spirits witness with the Holy Spirit concerning the things the Holy Spirit wants us to do? A Spirit-filled Christian will wait on God and always seek God for His witness. Those not filled really do not have sensitivity to the guidance of the Holy Spirit and they trust more in their own judgment and intellect and feel confident to make decisions without any witness of the Spirit.

The fact that most of evangelicalism rigidly follows set programs shows there is little practical evidence of the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Some who go to such Churches may experience the guidance of the Holy Spirit in their personal lives, but the Church they attend has not yet figured out how the Church corporately can be led by the Spirit. God’s pattern for the Church (1 Cor. 14) was so that we would always have to seek and find the guidance of the Holy Spirit and hence grow in the practical ability to hear God’s voice and find His will and guidance.

He designed the Church with this as one of the ends or goals: Assembling together is supposed to train us to be led by the Spirit. As you fellowship in a 1 Cor. 14 type Church, slowly you will become far more sensitive to the witness and guidance of the Holy Spirit than if you remain seated in the audience of a traditional church: Obeying God’s direction for the Church results in spiritual growth in every member. When men rejected the counsel of God and set in concrete their traditions then people became far less sensitive to the Holy Spirit. If you follow traditions you no longer need the Holy Spirit to guide you moment by moment, and thus you never learn to be sensitive to the leading of the Holy Spirit.

If you read 1 Cor. 14 again I pray you will see that this requires a total dependency on hearing the voice of God. Read it again and then ask, why does God require it done this way? What did He have in mind?

~ Ian Vincent

Colonel Potter is not who you think he is!

A few people have sent me a video of a Colonel Potter. I’ve not put them up because there seems to be something not quite right about him. I try not to jump on anybody’s bandwagon — even if what they are saying appeals to my desire of truth. I test everything that comes to me. I may not get it right each and everytime, but I do try and test every thing. If something does not appear to be right, I will not put it up. I have done some research on this man, trying to find what is it that does not ring of truth to me. Yes, he may say some things that make you at first want to hang on to his every word as being the truth. But, there is more to him than he desires to tell us about himself. He appears to be a polygamist. He appears to have his own gospel. He appears to have some roots in Jewish Mysticism/Kabbalah/Occult. I will not go into every detail. You may click on the following links below and judge for yourself.

The one thing I will address is a movie he has made with his name on the closing credits. According to his gospel – Jesus was married and on the night He was arrested, fought with a sword in His hand. This is a FALSE Jesus being set up for Christians to follow. Jesus was not that kind of revolutionist.

Even if this man is speaking some things that appear true to me, I am not interested in anything he has to say. I will not waste my time searching for pearls among a stinking garbage pile.

We have to be careful in the days to come. We must not believe everything that comes to us. That includes myself. You are not obligated to believe everything that comes from me. You must test everything. Even though there may be things I can agree with, does not mean I swallow the whole package. Some people are out to get as many followers as they can, and they do not care how they get them. I’m not one of them. I would much rather people stay away from this place/this blog if they thought I was leading them into a place where God did not want them.

That being said…

His movie is as fake and fraudlent to the real Gospel, as the fake wigs on the heads of the actors.

CrimsonThreadMovie:

The links below will give you more inforamtion on who this Colonel Potter is.

http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=35253

http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=35267

A question to the readers for now — please feel free to answer

I just had a discussion with my husband. He more or less told me I have become unfocused. That I had been writing and putting up some good things, but now, my focus has been changed.  I told him I wasn’t even aware of him reading anything I do on this blog. He rarely says anything and I hardly ever insist he read anything. But obviously, he is looking now.

Have I dear reader, become unfocused as he says?

First, please understand why I do the things I do. I put up things that interest me, I put up things to possibly warn, I put up things that hopefully God is showing me in my personal life and hoping it is a good thing, I share that with you. The last one, which allows me to be transparent before you, is the most dearest to me. For in doing so, I hope it is something that encourages and lifts you up.

When I began this blog 4 (?) years ago, it was to expose the false teachers in the apostate church. I have done that. Then it became mixed with my political rants. Not to say all the videos people were making about forced vaccines, Fema camps, martial law, etc. I spent all my time chasing phantoms and going down rabbit trails on the internet, thinking to myself I was doing a good thing by warning people of what I thought was coming at the time. So much so, that when my mother got sick, I could not see she was dying! I tell you that with a complete brokenness in my heart for that time. I told myself and the Lord I would never do it again. Lest I miss what it is He has set before me to live in.

However, I can not ignore what has happened the past week with the Texas explosion which I believe was a missle or drone. I can not ignore what happened in Boston. I see these events as dark, deceitful, staged. Does that make me just a paranoid kook? Or does it make me someone with their eyes open? Forget your political party in answering that question. Believe me, it would not matter to me who was in office, I still would have the same thoughts. If you can not answer without putting your political party aside, I believe you have no right to answer.

I am not a reporter — I am just a woman who tries to understand/discern what is going on in the world. I never just take anyone’s word on anything. I never just automatically believe everything told to me. I question everything. You should too. You even have the right, the responsibility to question me now. But before you do, please allow me to go on.

I believe a grand scale delusion is coming upon the whole earth. That delusion is already taking place within the church. It has for the past few decades with it’s many doctrines of demons. That delusion is taking place in the political realm. In the media. In all of society. When good is being called evil and evil being called good, know that judgment waits at the door. When a nation has child sacrifice, know that judgment waits at the door. When one does not love the truth, God will allow a delusion. I believe the whole world is being set up for a greater delusion. A delusion that will cause all, both great and small, both rich and poor, to pay homage to a man (I do not know who) as being a savior to all mankind. There will even be those within the church who will embrace this delusion. First there must come chaos and terror before this man/system/government can be set in place.

I also believe that I am not exempt from coming under a delusion. If there is anything in me, anything at all, that does not love the truth, then a delusion can come to me. I truly do not want to spend my time exposing what I think are delusions. I would much rather focus on the things of God, for that is where my heart truly is. Light, truth — such beautiful awesome words to me!

But I tell you, the things of the world sometimes do bother me. I hate this world. I find it hard to ignore some things. I’m not an ostrich with my head in the sand. It is hard for me to ignore any elephants in the room. So, please tell me….

Have I dear reader, become unfocused?

Before you answer my question, please let me ask one of you: If we can not discern now, how will we discern in the future? My question is a sincere one. It is not a trick question to get you not to answer my question. I do want you to feel free to answer.

As I try to discern the times, I need your help.

Please help me.

Two are better than one,
Because they have a good reward for their labor.
For if they fall, one will lift up his companion.
But woe to him who is alone when he falls,
For he has no one to help him up.
Again, if two lie down together, they will keep warm;
But how can one be warm alone?
Though one may be overpowered by another, two can withstand him.
And a threefold cord is not quickly broken. — Ecclesiastes 4:9-12 –

Satanists told us years ago Satanism would creep in the church and they were right

I have had this in my draft folder for a couple of years. I wanted to be able to comment on it, bit by bit, but it is much too long.

Bob Larsen — who I’m not fond of at all — interviews Anton Ley Veys daughter and husband. I think he is her husband.

His guests dispel the many myths about Satanism. How many of us have thought Satanism was devil horns and pitchforks? I think people will be surprised to see just how much Satanism has crept into every area of life the past few decades. Even within the Church. Especially within the Church.

I don’t aim to take anything out of context with my commentary. The video is over an hour long and I found it too time consuming to actually try and take on every detail.

“The Christian media is a dying source …”

“You’ve given up your ideals and now joined the devil’s ranks, which is to entertain people.”

Bob Larsen actually laughs?

“You are now part of the media which is something that the fictional character you base your religion on, Jesus Christ, certainly would not have condoned.”

BL blows off Nickolass. But this guy is right.

“What the 90′s is going to see, is a massive rise to Satanism….because what we are seeing now is the death struggle between Judeo-Christian idea and arcytype of the ancient more satanic archytype.”

“Black magic, I would define as the use of will and ritual combined to create change in the world without any restraint on what that change might be. No hypocritical pretendin that we are appealing to a higher force.”

This is witchcraft. The very same thing that false teachers teach today. If you can not see it, it is because you do not want to. The only difference is Satanists do not appeal to the higher force — being God, to a Christian.

“Do whatever you want to do, but accept the consequences that come with it.”

“What is right and wrong? In our case, we are making up our own reality. We decide what’s right and wrong.”

Church, do you see it? How can some of you sit in churches week after week practicing the very same thing this couple reveals as true Satanism??? Look at some of your teachers and tell me they do not practice the same thing!

HeavenClear:

A Mom loses her Baby and later concludes The Word of Faith teaching is equivalent to Witchcraft

When I read the following, it reminded me of my own loss of a baby. I was only at six weeks in my pregnancy when I miscarried. The day I found out I was going to have a baby was the happiest day of my life, next to my wedding day. I’ll never forget what that was like. But soon those hopes and expectations began to slowly crumble as something went wrong in my body. I had well meaning Christian women back then tell me, “Do not fear or the thing you fear will come upon you.” One particular woman came over to bring me a loaf of home made bread. She prayed for me, more or less telling me not to fear or I would cause the baby to die. I had people rebuking the devil off me and my baby. “It is not God’s will that you lose this baby. You must fight against it.” I would look at some of these women — some of them who homeschooled their children — and who had given birth at home through midwives — and thought to myself, surely they know what they are talking about, because they have children. I made the mistake of thinking they were somehow more spiritual just because they were a mother.

I did not want to be responsible for my baby’s death, so I did my best rebuking the devil, claiming the baby for God, through the pain and blood that miscarrying brings. Two friends, who were not in the name -it claim -it gospel, lovingly spoke to me, telling me it was not my fault, that it was ok to let go. I had not told them, but a day or so before, I had an impression that God was trying to let me know the same thing.

After it was all over with and I was able to go back to Church, I felt very conspicuous. It felt like other women were thinking along these lines: “There’s the woman who could not pray enough for her baby. She didn’t try hard enough. Because she was afraid, her worse fear came upon her. If only she had enough faith.” Whether anyone actually thought this, I don’t know. But if a woman had people telling her somehow it is within her power through what they call faith, to stop a miscarriage, then what else is a woman to think?

We do not always know the reasons behind things. I spent a number of years asking God “why?” “Why not give me a baby? Why do you let others have babies and not me?” At almost 60 years old, I no longer ask. I am content now. It does not matter to me anymore. One day I will know and it all will make complete sense. What does bother me though, are the many barren women out there who for some reason or another find yourself in the same place I was years ago. You have people telling you the same things I was told. Do not let people tell put this upon you. It is not only a form of witchcraft, it completely ignores God’s sovereignty. His ways are higher than ours.

http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2013/03/31/ex-word-of-faith-testimony-a-mom-loses-her-baby-and-concludes-9-years-later-word-of-faith-is-equivalent-to-witchcraft/

On “Word of Faith” or “Believing Prayer” Movements

I’ve picked on the occult, media, Messianic Judaism, Harry Potter, and Beth Moore. I’ve picked on “spiritual disciplines”, tithing, and missionaries, “Purpose-Driven”/Emerging churches, pragmatism, Biblical authority, ecumenism, and a variety of Christian-living topics.

But until now I haven’t picked on the one topic that can make me mad as a hornet, quicker than anything (which surprises me, actually). I am usually passionate, though diplomatic about topics, even more so when speaking to non-Christians.

I enjoy the mutual exchanging of questions and learning about other people (but I do not like accusations). This subject however, brings a lot of personal emotions to the surface because I lived this worldview for a brief and very painful time.

Putting my faith in sincere and well-intentioned spiritual elders, my spouse and I bought into this worldview hook, line, and sinker at the start of our young marriage, and especially when our first-born was diagnosed with a fatal heart anomaly in utero.

We were promised that “if we had faith” (if we believed hard enough) God would have to heal her. We read in proponents’ books, about certain “spiritual laws” that God was bound by (ha!). We were told that only certain people must be told about the baby’s condition; those discerning few who really knew how to pray “correctly” for her; to “pray believing”.

Here is an example (from CBN’s website) on how to pray believing for “your personal” miracle (though they give themselves an out by not guaranteeing your desired outcome). http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/CBNTeachingSheets/Can_I_Be_Healed.aspx

To my eternal regret, we hurt and deceived a lot of people by essentially lying about the baby’s condition, because if you admitted there was a problem, even allowed yourself the tiniest thought there might be a problem, you wouldn’t get your miracle (in New Age circles this idea is called “positive thinking” to an extreme, and obviously unhealthy end).

In my naiveté and desperate hope, I clung to the belief my baby would live even after she lay dead in my husband’s arms. I firmly believed God would bring her back from the dead (and I know now how crazy this all sounds) and awe all the nay-saying doctors.

It wasn’t until her graveside funeral a week later, when we pulled up to the outdoor awning and I saw her casket, that reality finally hit me. It hit me so hard I refused to get out of the car. I didn’t want that reality; that was not what I had worked and prayed and vainly hoped and “believed in faith” so hard for.

But the death of my Elizabeth Ann nearly nine years ago, has spurred me to look before I leap, and research and study my Bible harder than ever. I can now say unequivocally that the Word of Faith movement doesn’t work based on my experience, and it is very un-Biblical.

The most hurtful thing after Elizabeth’s death was the lack of apology on the part of those who had pushed their beliefs so hard. Rather than admitting the obvious (this system failed), they pulled away from my husband and I and grew distant and remained quiet. Worst of all, they continue to believe in and promote this garbage.

That is when I become very angry. The same people who convinced me of their beliefs and themselves held my dead baby or attended or spoke at the funeral, refuse to admit their mistake and seem intent on dragging other people through the hell that I went through.

It may just be my perception, but it appears this movement is growing. Take note however: this movement is merely witchcraft* in disguise. The idea of having to say prayer in a particular (i.e. ritualistic, formulaic, or prescribed) manner is a key occult practice; they call it incantation or spell-casting. The idea that God must abide by/is bound by certain rules He laid out in His creation seems blasphemous-we can never be God’s puppeteers. But this is also a key occult practice; trying to bend the natural or supernatural world and its residents to a “knowledgeable” (i.e. magician) human will.

A third underlying idea is that of keeping secrets, or being made to feel elite in the secret mysteries and understandings of God. The word “occult” literally means “hidden”, and there have always been a plethora of secret societies and mystery religions.

But Christianity is not one of them. The Bible is a collection of historical accounts on all the ways the God of the Bible has revealed Himself to people (not just the Israelites) throughout the ages. Daniel 2:47 says God is a “revealer of mysteries”. As God He could be mysterious, but He desires to be known by us and has revealed Himself for our benefit (http://www.gci.org/god/is2).

Other occult aspects that a particular Word of Faith group may or may not be involved in include divination (reading “signs from God” in tea leaves, hair, wood, screen doors, bird migration patterns, bones, entrails, etc.); protective amulets and talismans including lucky charms, blessed cross necklaces and the like (see: http://www.amuletgifts.com/Christian-Amulets/); astrology (reading the stars to determine God’s path for your life, like horoscopes); “special” prayers, blessings, or adjurations (words against demons) to bring health, wealth, children, etc. (like this: http://www.thejabezprayer.com/); music, scents (candles, oils, or incense-also known as aromatherapy), gems, or herbs with purported (i.e. not scientifically backed) properties/powers/abilities, especially in the area of healing or cleansing the spirit (see: http://www.tbnwebstore.org/product.asp?sku=0793573777690 or http://www.abbaoil.com/c-9-anointing-oil.aspx); rituals or formulaic practices for better communion with God, protection, healing, cleansing, etc. (labyrinths, special prayer routines, meditation/contemplative practices, spiritual disciplines, extreme positive thinking, being in God’s presence**, etc. etc.)

(A few examples: http://www.christianbook.com/soul-detox-clean-living-contaminated-world/craig-groeschel/9780310333685/pd/333685?event=1010SG|1154706|1010

http://www.christianbook.com/one-thousand-gifts/ann-voskamp/9780310321910/pd/321910?item_code=WW&netp_id=830957&event=1010|1154706|1010|1154706|1010&view=details

or http://www.christianbook.com/calling-deluxe-edition-enjoying-peace-presence/sarah-young/9781404187825/pd/187825?item_code=WW&netp_id=749896&event=1010|1154706|1010|1154706|1010&view=details).

Understand those who practice these things generally have a scripture or two or three that appear to back their position. After having studied my Bible a bit better, I have come to the realization that God did not fail my family, false prophets did.

It is so vital to not just read a passage in context of its sentence, but in some cases whole sections and even several chapters are needed to understand it in full (this is where many devotional books and Bible studies fail).

If you want to get to know God better, simple prayer and Bible reading is the only way to do it. It is not glamorous and will not usually involve an experience. It will not cater to our human nature to act on or do something. And the Bible does not promise health, wealth, protection, or mysteries to unravel. The only way to “spiritually detox” is through repentance, forgiveness, and the grace of the cross.

*It is rather ironic that practitioners of this movement like to define rebellion as synonymous with “witchcraft”, based on the misunderstanding of 1 Sam. 15:23 (here is an example of this misunderstanding turned “ministry”: http://www.mcleanministries.com/custom.html).

**Being “in God’s presence” or inviting the Holy Spirit “to come” is a nice, super-Christian thought. But if we are Christians, the Bible says we have the Holy Spirit (which is God) living in us, Romans 8:11, Acts 2:4, John 3:34, and John 20:22.

Therefore, we cannot invite the Holy Spirit to come more, nor can we purposefully cultivate a sense of God’s presence. These are merely emotional or supernatural highs that we can easily become addicted to. Remember also the Bible also describes a deceptive Satan and demons, as well as God and His angels.

Below are a host of other sources for your researching pleasure, but as always please do balanced research and always read your Bible in context. (Note: the last link is to a book I was given to read and be “inspired” by for my “faith”)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_of_Faith

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/cultsandcharismatic.html

http://www.peaglej.com/blog1/

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/word-faith.html

http://www.gotquestions.org/Word-Faith.html

http://www.intothyword.org/apps/articles/default.asp?articleid=36562

http://myfathershouse.squarespace.com/journal/2010/11/29/on-spiritual-manifestations.html

http://myfathershouse.squarespace.com/journal/2012/6/5/elitism.html

http://myfathershouse.squarespace.com/journal/2010/9/23/a-response-to-the-name-it-and-claim-it-trend.html

http://www.amazon.com/Gods-Generals-They-Succeeded Some/dp/0883689448

VISIT OUR EX-WoF

Testimony of one who came out from under I.H.O.P.

Involved in IHOP? Involved in the New Apostolic Reformation? You may want to hear the testimony of a woman who came out of it.

She bears witness to the occult mindset and manipulation of this movement. I suggest you may want to send her testimony to anyone you may know who is involved in this stuff.  You can hear her testimony here:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/thewatchmenonthewall/2013/03/30/the-watchmen-on-the-walls-main-event

M’Kayla Kelly who Came out of Healing room’s I.H.O.P. (International House of Prayer) and Bethel Church’s N.A.R. (New Apostolic Reformation), will be our special guest and will share how she Escaped Bethel Church! She will also discuss the Ministry the Lord has given her on Exposing this Whole Dark movement! You do not want to miss this program!!!

M’Kayla’s website:http://mkayla.wordpress.com/

Make sure that the light you think you have is not actually darkness. Luke 11:35

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Amen, Brother!

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The Occultic Mindset of Spiritual Warfare

An article from a few years back, but one worth bringing to the forefront once again. Emphasis are mine.

By Keith

http://signofjonah.wordpress.com/2007/04/13/the-occultic-mindset-of-spiritual-warfare/

Paul and Drew have both graciously shared a part of their spiritual journey with us. For myself, the area of the fringe that I became most involved with was spiritual warfare. For a season in my ministry I became deeply immersed in this teaching. I declared things in the heavenlies, attempted to discern the demons over my city, drove around my city claiming it for Jesus, anointed the chairs in our sanctuary on a regular basis, and bound Satan daily. I would be lying if I said that there wasn’t a part of me that really got in to this whole experience. I felt very important and very powerful. Even today, when discussing some of the things that I used to do, I have a strong feeling of power rise up in my body. It was very exciting. Until one day a very simple question refused to let go of me. “When did anyone in the Bible do this?”

That was the question that started me on an investigation of this teaching. Today I am confident that not only is this teaching not Biblical, it is actually occultic in nature. I don’t make that statement lightly. I have studied and written on the subjects of the New Age, Wicca and even tribal religion. The modern teaching on spiritual warfare has more in common with these practices than anything that can be found in the pages of the New Testament (that book that is supposed to teach us, among other things, how the church is to operate).

I should hasten to say that this is not an exclusively Charismatic issue. Evangelical writers like Neal Anderson and Mark Bubeck (incidentally one of the nicest guys you could ever hope to talk to) have done much damage to the body of Christ in this area. Bubeck’s books even include prayers for the Holy Spirit to search your blood stream, gastro-intestinal organs and other body systems for demons. (i.e. the demon of cholitis and I am not joking.)

Space will only allow for a small number of examples but perhaps these will cause readers to dig even further to determine if these teachings are truly from the Lord.

1. Manipulation of spiritual forces: One of the underlying assumptions of the occultic worldview is that all of life is connected by a spiritual force. The practice of magick is based on attempts to manipulate this force in order for the practitioner to create their own reality. Modern Word Faith teachers and spiritual warfare teachers unknowlingly have bought into the same mindset. For Word Faith teachers the monistic force is faith itself. Kenneth Copeland has frequently stated that faith is a force that even God uses to accomplish His purposes. David Yonggi Cho has stated that this force can even be used by non-believers which is why Buddhist monks sometimes get results. Many of the modern prophets have stated the same thing about the New Age. For many in the spiritual warfare community the force is more personal in the form of angels, demons and the Holy Spirit. While this may seem more biblical the fact remains that much of their efforts are aimed at manipulating these beings to their own ends.

It is out of this foundational belief that many other ancillary beliefs and practices arise. For instance words are seen as extremely powerful. Once again, in Word Faith circles, words are the containers of the force. What I confess I possess. If I say that I am going bald I will get more baldness. But if I confess that I have a full head of hair then that is what I will receive. This is what leads teachers like Marylin Hickey to teach us to, “Say to your wallet. Why you big fat wallet. You’re so full of money.” Of course, apparently it doesn’t work for her because she has to keep asking for donations. Similarly prophetic teachers like Victoria Boyson and Mike Bickle teach that when we criticize someone we are releasing and activating Satanic activity upon them and if we bless them we are releasing Holy Spirit activity.

This authority that is supposedly in words then leads to the increasingly popular binding and loosing and warfare in the heavenlies teachings. In this practice Satan and his forces are actually addressed and commanded in prayer. Their “strongholds” over cities are pulled down. Their strategies are foiled. They must leave the region. Authority is claimed by the Church and the Spirit is loosed.

Now, I hate to spoil the party. But is this really what Jesus was teaching in Matt. 16 when He said that whatever you bind on earth is bound in heaven? The answer is a decided “no”. Before discussing what binding and loosing really means, the evidence that modern spiritual warfare teachers cannot be correct in what they are teaching is easy to detect from the New Testament. The fact is simply this, NOWHERE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT IS SATAN EVER ADDRESSED IN PRAYER. Prayer is made to God. We do not have one single example of anyone in the New Testament ever engaging in this type of prayer. The only time that Satan or a demon is ever addressed by a believer is when they are being cast out of an individual. The historical fact is that binding and loosing were rabbinical terms that the apostles would have been familiar with that had to do with forbidding and permitting certain practices and which speaks to the apostle’s authority in laying the foundation for the practices of the church.

Christians are spending too much time shouting at the devil.  And can someone please tell me, “What is the statute of limitations on binding the devil?”  He seems to continually get loose!  How long does it take to bind a demon and clear the heavenlies?  This stuff has been going on over KC for over twenty years and yet 2005 was one of the worst years in our history for murder.

2. Ritual Magick. In the occult worldview, rituals can be performed in the physical that have ramifications in the spiritual. So a pin stuck in a voodoo doll can cause spiritual forces to work against an individual that can result in bodily injury. One of the most disturbing segments of the film, “Jesus Camp” was to see a teacher hand a hammer to children and tell them to go to the front and smash cups labelled “abortion”, “homosexuality” etc. etc. and by commanding the heavenlies and smashing the cups things would be broken in the spirit realm. Much of the same thing can be seen in many of the practices of anointing. Rebecca Brown teaches people to anoint the doors and windows of their homes so that demons don’t have any points of access to their homes.

3. Power Centers. In the occultic mindset, certain grounds are sacred. They may be possessed by either good or evil spirits. Some of these power centers may be taboo to all but the most highly initiated or they may be places to gather for worship because the power is strong. We have seen over the last two decades a number of these power centers emerge and diminish, Toronto, Pensacola, Smithton, etc. etc. Additionally, the modern teaching of spiritual portals by prophets like John Paul Jackson, Kathie Walters, Paul Keith Davis and many more has more in common with the occult than the bible despite the way they butcher the story of Jacob’s Ladder to try and make it fit.

4. The Devil Made Me Do It. The occultic world is all about spirits. Animism is all about spirits. Spirits are responsible for everything. Spirits must be placated. While it is certainly true that the Western mind tends to ignore the spiritual dimension and tends almost toward Deism, the modern spiritual warfare teachings are certainly an over-correction. If it rains on a church picnic it is the devil’s fault. Every sin is evidence of a “stronghold” that must be pulled down. The problem is that this silver bullet approach to holiness keeps the individual from dealing with what is often the true source of the problem, a carnal, rebellious heart.

5. Shamanism. In the occult the shaman is the expert in the things of the spirit. He has visions of the spirit world and brings back information to the followers. Many of today’s so-called prophets are nothing more than shamen. People flock to them to hear of their visits to the otherworld and to act on the information that they bring back. This has opened a literal pandora’s box of new practices. What is particularly disturbing in the spiritual warfare scenario is that many of these practices were supposedly learned by interviewing demons!!!! Bubeck says that when we interview a demon we should ask, “Will this information stand as truth before the throne of God?” For some reason Bubeck believes that a demon can’t lie if you ask him in that way. But why would we ever seek to learn about the things of the Spirit from a liar and the father of lies?

Remember the question that I said started it all for me. “When did anyone in the Bible ever do this?” It’s a good question. It’s worth pondering the next time you are thinking about jumping into a new thing.

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Redeemed Hippie: Especially interesting was number 5 on Shamanism. We have this today with the likes of Bob Jones, Tod Bentley, Patricia King and a host of others who are more than glad to share their experiences of what they are allowed to see in the so-called spirit realm and bring it back to anyone who will listen. Sadly, many do listen and in doing so are being caught up in an occult revival of lies, delusions and manipulations. 

You might be a Charismaniac if…

Wow, some really good observations! Found it here:

http://charismania.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/you-might-be-a-charismaniac-if/

You might be a Charismaniac if…
1.You think it’s normal that your pastor owns the church.

2.Most of the sermons you hear are about money – getting more of it.

3.Most sermons are based on Old Testament texts, or single verses plucked out of the New Testament, particularly III John 1:2.

4.You think it’s normal to give a pastor a standing ovation.

5.You think it’s normal for a pastor to take up birthday offerings for himself or his wife.

6.You think the “Gospel” is mostly about the good things God will do for you on this earth, right now.

7.You keep hearing that there is a huge “end-times” revival right around the corner.

8.You’ve been taught that, in conjunction with this “end-times” revival, Christians are going to get richer and richer.

9.You believe that the best way to receive a miracle is to “sow a seed,” which means give a large offering you can’t afford.

10.You believe certain people – your pastor, and other leaders with large ministries – are specially “anointed” and hear directly from God.

11.You don’t bat an eye when you hear your pastor say, “God told me…”

12.Your pastor has bodyguards.

13.Your pastor drives a car worth more than most people’s houses.

14.The only people with any authority on your church’s staff are either the pastor, or someone who shares his last name.

15.Your pastor didn’t go to seminary.

16.But he calls himself “Doctor.”

17.Your pastor’s wife is also a pastor and goes by the title of “First Lady.”

18.Anyone related to your pastor is also “anointed.” And this “anointing” is transferrable by marriage, so that your pastor’s kids’ spouses begin sporting the title of “Pastor.”

19.There is special reserved seating for people particularly close to the pastor.

20.When you see your pastor up close, you get as tongue-tied and as star-struck as if you’d run into your favorite movie star.

21.If you found out your pastor and his wife were coming to visit you, you’d immediately feel an urgent need to remodel your house and buy all new furniture.

22.But that would be a pipe dream, because your pastor never visits anyone except for a select few who have been with his ministry for years. Or new people who have given huge donations.

23.Your pastor calls himself “Apostle.”

24.Your pastor calls himself “Prophet.”

25.Your pastor preaches that prophecy is for today…but only HE is allowed to prophesy.

26.You’ve been going to your church for more than a year, but you still don’t really know anyone there very well.

27.You do, however, feel like you know your pastor pretty well.

28.There is fierce competition for seats in the first few rows of the auditorium. You get to church a half hour early to secure one of those seats.

29.New people are treated with suspicion. “New people” is anyone who has been at your church less time than you have.

30.Your church has very few small-group Bible studies or other supplementary classes. Very few people are allowed to teach at your church, except those who either A) have the same last name as your pastor; or B) are really, really bad at teaching. If someone happens to slip into group “B” but turns out to be good at teaching, he or she will probably never teach again.

31.Although you’d never be able to guess from your church’s official statement of faith, the practical reality is that everybody puts more stock in “The Anointing” (particularly as it exists within your pastor) than they do in the message of salvation. Salvation is your ticket to heaven, but “The Anointing” is where all the “good stuff” comes from.

32.Your church talks a LOT about physical healing. They even hold “Healing Services” and have healing lines. But nobody ever jumps out of a wheelchair. Rather, a few people get healed from stuff like back pain and migraines.

33.Although to hear everyone talk, you’d think that crowds were re-growing amputated limbs and snapping out of Down Syndrome.

34.There is a lot more prestige associated with volunteer positions like washing the pastor’s car or opening the door for him than there is with working in the children’s ministry.

35.Your pastor talks a lot about how he’s your spiritual father, your covering, and your head.

36.You find yourself aspiring to dress and live like the pastor and his family, although you don’t have the money to do so.

37.You are encouraged NOT to think. Analytical thought is scorned. “The Anointing” trumps all need for theology, education, or anything else that would involve the logical part of your brain.

38.Your pastor’s sermons begin with, “God told me…” and involve your pastor then going on to explain how what God told him is supported by various Bible verses. These verses, in their original context (which is never discussed), have NOTHING to do with what your pastor is saying, but they do contain a key word from the message that “God gave” your pastor.

39.Your pastor is in complete control of everything and answers to no one. If there IS an elder or deacon board, the board meets only to fulfill IRS requirements and consists of men hand-picked by the pastor who will agree with whatever the pastor tells them.

40.Your pastor dreams of being famous and expends much effort (and cash) to buddy up to already-famous ministries…regardless of whether or not they agree on key doctrines like the trinity.

41.Your church’s offering envelopes have a place for giving by credit card. You are also taught that the best way to become financially stable is to “give your way out of debt.”

42.You begin to notice that the list of “regular attenders” seems to change all the time. People will attend every service faithfully for months or even years and then suddenly disappear forever. Your pastor spends a lot of time talking about how these folks are in rebellion, and how you will keep yourself from receiving “your blessing” if you listen to them.

43.You are taught all the time that you are “blessed,” which generally means that you will live in financial “overflow” and have “favor” over all areas of your life. Sometimes this “favor” seems to mean that you expect people to bend the rules for you…as evidenced by prayer requests like, “Pray for my nephew as he faces drug charges, pray that he will find favor with the judge, and if anyone knows anyone in the D.A.’s office, please call us.”

Burn the Quran? Why?

I had a video I wanted to put up, but for some reason it is not presenting me with the correct one, so I will have to do without.

I’m almost certain this will tick off some Christian American patriots, never – the – less, I find it true, therefore I will say it.

The main person who appears to first be behind the whole burn the Quran thing, is a pastor named Terry Jones. I was familiar with Terry Jones before he became famous for his self – seeking, self – exalting agenda.

He had his own youtube channel which since, that particular one has been deleted. He had a video of he and his wife (I suppose it was his wife) sitting at a kitchen table. At the time I was fairly new to the internet and stupid me was practically believing everything I saw and heard. A person can not get any dumber than that, people. In this particular video he was giving a date to the end of the world. He looked like a caring old grandpaw, using scripture. I would have fallen for it, had I not known what Jesus said:

“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. — Matthew 24:36,37 –

Terry Jones has taken his Christian views and has found ways to profit just like many false teachers before him: http://www.doveworld.org/store

THAT makes him someone who uses the Gospel for personal gain and it is not even the Gospel he actually uses.

http://www.doveworld.org/

Dove World Outreach Center is a New Testament Church – based on the Bible, the Word of God.

We believe that God is calling a new generation in this end time – a generation of believers that is yielded to his Word and his will.

Our Land needs strong churches that understand and fulfill God’s vision of restoration and reformation, churches that are able to handle the revival we will see this century with the apostolic anointing, and bring Godly changes to our entire society.

God has a plan for your life! And we want you to be able to recognize your destiny.

God loves you and he longs for a real and deep relationship with you. He created you on purpose and it’s his desire that everyone knows and fulfills his calling.

Dr. Terry and Sylvia Jones
– Senior Pastors of

Dove World Outreach Center –

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I wish you could hear the raspberry sound I just made, so this will have to do: blah blah blah. Terry Jones obviously does not know his Bible. As the Bible NEVER speaks of a “revival we will see this century with the apostolic anointing, and bring Godly changes to our entire society.” Not once does scripture teach this. Jesus Himself, did not teach it. He spoke the opposite. He even said, “…Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?” — Luke 18:8 – The Bible speaks of a great apostacy. One of which Terry Jones is part of.

What is the destiny these false teachers speak of? The only destiny I see is one of picking up your cross. But none of these false teachers ever speak on that. Instead, they are building their little kingdoms here on earth, setting themselves up as our spiritual leaders, our guides, for us to follow under their apostolic anointing. 

They believe in a new “generation of believers that is yielded to his Word and his will.” Really? Does that include the Muslim? If so, why burn their books? What do you think that is going to accomplish? My question is, where do you even get the books? Do you actually go out and buy them just to burn them? If so, how stupid is that, when you could be purchasing Bibles?!  

And if that information is not enough for you, he has been like every other FALSE teacher and has become a whore by allowing himself to be bought. He got himself a new car for NOT burning the Quran. That not only makes him a whore, but a compromiser of what he said he believed.

http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/state/florida-pastor-terry-jones-gets-free-car-from-nj-dealership-for-not-burning-quran

Now God worked unusual miracles by the hands of Paul, so that even handkerchiefs or aprons were brought from his body to the sick, and the diseases left them and the evil spirits went out of them. Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists took it upon themselves to call the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, “We exorcise you by the Jesus whom Paul preaches.” Also there were seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, who did so.

And the evil spirit answered and said, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?”

Then the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, overpowered them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. This became known both to all Jews and Greeks dwelling in Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified. And many who had believed came confessing and telling their deeds. Also, many of those who had practiced magic brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all. And they counted up the value of them, and it totaled fifty thousand pieces of silver. So the word of the Lord grew mightily and prevailed. — Acts 19:11-19 –

Paul did not march into Ephesus and say, “I am here to burn your books!” 

When I came out of the Occult, I had the books burned. No one forced me. No one talked me into it. It was my free will. I had the truth presented to me, a fear of God fell upon me, Jesus being the truth was magnified in me, and then I chose to have my books and occult supplies done away with.

When anyone leaves me a tract or some other kind of religious material at my door that I find false and misleading, it is mine to do with as I please. I simply throw it away. I do not have some great need to make a public display of burning them. So unless, it is your own personal Quran, according to scripture, you are either acting out of ignorance or you know very well what you do, choosing to inflame the masses by building your own little kingdom of followers. God knows!

Turn from those who want to use you for their own gain and notoriety!

Instead of going through all the hoopla and theatrics of burning books, (unless they are your own) how about getting in the real battle of trying to share the truth that sets people free?

Just saying.

Fishy “sign and wonder”

No wonder some Atheists and those in the world think we Christians are a bunch of kooks. When we accept everything that is being touted as a sign and wonder, not only does it make us look like a bunch of moronic goofballs, but it makes the central theme of the Gospel — the Cross — of little to no value. We can not convince the world the need for a Savior if we ourselves do not know the difference between light and darkness, truth and lie, good and evil, reality and unreality.

Woman finds ‘sign from God’ on Goldfish cracker

‘There’s no way this could have been printed like that in the factory’

Really? Who says? Because you say so, we are to believe it? This sign and wonder could have been easily created. It could have been made with a cookie press — even from a press made for Play Dough!  In fact, this little “sign and wonder” could have been made from Play Dough. More than likely it was made at the factory.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/woman-finds-sign-from-god-on-goldfish-cracker/?cat_orig=faith

It’s a fishy story, but the woman telling it believes it’s pure gold. The Florida resident says the markings she found on a Goldfish cracker are a direct message affirming her Christian faith.

“I believe that it’s a sign, a sign from God,” Patti Burke told Florida Today. “He is still in our life every day, and he wants to show that to his people.”

What? His Word is not enough? Just because you believe something does not make it true.

It’s not quite manna, but in Burke’s eyes it’s a manifestation of her faith.

The cracker in question has two markings, or imperfections, on its surface. Burke says the first marking is of a cross with a circle around it. The second marking, near the head of the fish, represents a golden crown.

Sorry, but I don’t see a crown. But what I do see are a couple of occult new age pagan symbols:

CIRCLE (sun disc, sacred hoop, ring): An ancient and universal symbol of unity, wholeness, infinity, the goddess, female power, and the sun. To earth-centered religions throughout history as well as to many contemporary pagans, it represents the feminine spirit or force, the cosmos or a spiritualized Mother Earth, and a sacred space. Gnostic traditions linked the unbroken circle to the “world serpent” forming a circle as it eats its own tail.

The sacred circle filled with a cross, four equal lines pointing from the center to the spirits of the north, east, south, and west — or to the basic element: earth, water, air (or wind), and fire. In Native American traditions, it forms the basic pattern of the MEDICINE WHEEL and plays a vital part in major spiritual rituals. Many contemporary pagans consider it their main symbol for transmitting the energy of the goddess.

“When I picked this one up, I knew he was special,” she said. “Something I’ve never seen before out of all the Goldfish I’ve eaten.”

Am I the only one who thinks this sounds totally stupid? 

Burke admittedly has been working from a large sample size, consuming between two and three pounds of the crackers per week. She says she eats the small crackers individually, examining each one for the optimal amount of savory coating.

Okie dokie, if someone wants to take time to examine each little cracker, no concern of mine. I could find better things to do.

Burke now carries her special cracker in an earring box padded with gauze. But she wasn’t immediately convinced it was a sign from God. At first, she thought maybe she had won a special promotion from cracker manufacturer Pepperidge Farm.

“They called me back and said there’s no way this could have been printed like that in the factory,” Burke told Florida Today. “They said it sounds like something miraculous happened and we don’t know how it happened.”

(That comment has not been confirmed by Pepperidge Farm.)

No one can say exactly when people started seeing notable figures in their food, but it’s a phenomenon that has made headlines in the modern era. Last year, a Nebraska woman sold a Chicken McNugget on eBay for $8,100 after becoming convinced it contained the visage of George Washington.

After becoming convinced that the cracker in fact possessed a deeper, spiritual message, Burke brought her sign of faith to her pastor, D. Scott Worth.

“I think it’s a sign,” Worth told WKMG. “I think it points to, I would hesitate to call it a miracle, but I think it points to the miracle, which is Jesus Christ defeated death. And that’s what Easter is all about.”

Yeah, I agree. Hardly a miracle. Therefore, it points to nothing but silly signs and wonders.

Of course, not every piece of food contains divine inspiration. Just pray you don’t end up with a toaster possessed by the Devil.

My question is, if you got hungry enough would you eat it? If not, then you have made it an idol.

MysteryHistorydotTV:

Proof of what loving a delusion will get you

A few years ago when I first began this blog, my intent was to expose the apostacy within the Church. I have done that. I have put up hundreds of articles. The past few months have brought many changes in my heart. I hear the words of my Father telling me to get my eyes off the garbage both within and outside the church and fix them on Him. He is coming back. Whether He comes back in my lifetime or not, is not the point. The point is, He desires to see souls come to Him, desiring to set people free.

I am called to proclaim the Good News. No longer do I have to shout from the housetops railing against the darkness, as I have done, in my way, in my flesh. This world and the lying abomnible things of this world will pass away, but Jesus — the Truth — abides forever.

Truly darkness has covered the land. Great deceptions in our midst from every arena. From governments, politics, politicians, news media, entertainment industry, and even within what is called The Church. I believe the true Church — the Bride of Christ – must reach a point where we begin to take our eyes off the things of this world and fix them in heavenly places. It has been a very hard thing for me to do the past few years. The filth, the rot, the putrid decay of deception trying to erode away truth, mocking all that is good and esteeming that which is wicked, almost drove me insane. One would think I had never read the Word of God in my life by my total shock and surprise of the evil. After all Jesus warned us what it would look like. But I was shocked. I did not know it was going to so dark, so black, so evil, so wicked, so OCCULTIC.

This morning as I was going through this blog trying to decide what to get rid of or not, (I have way too many catagories, I think) I ran across the catagory of Brandon Barthrop. Some of you may be aquainted with him from a few years back. He and his followers were known for “toking the ghost”, “getting drunk in the spirit” etc. I had prayed for this young man over the years as I am sure many others have. I went to see what is new with him, if perhaps he has begun to walk in a resemblance of truth.

To my horror he has not. He has gotten worse. You can see the devils in his eyes. He has gone from being what some would have called a mere little goofball, to complete debauchery. I will not put his video up. It is much too vile. Yet, this is being esteemed as a “God thing” among those within the so – called church.

He happens to quote – surprise, surprise — Rick Jonyner’s book The Quest. You know the one. The one where RJ taught there was going to be a war in the Church in the years to come against the grays and the blues. The grays being those of us who dared to question their movement, their Jesus they were setting up for us all to worship — like it or not. Here is an excerpt from one who came out of RJ’s teachings:

http://thegreycoats.wordpress.com/tag/rick-joyner/

The grays were spoken of with disdain and derision. Gray represented the brain and those who lived in their minds without regard to the higher life of the spirit. The grays were the legalists, the old wineskins, those seeking to trap and keep God in a box. They were painted as the staunch, stuffed and sterile church that had long since faded into antiquity and outlived their usefulness. It seems to me, looking back, that anyone that opposed Joyner and his teachings was considered a gray and not open to the “moving of the spirit.” The grays, Joyner was quick to tell us would be overcome and destroyed in the fight for the “true” church to evolve to the next level. Of course, in his estimation, the grays would not go quietly into that good night so it might be necessary for us to assist God in finishing up the job. Let me put that in plain English. We would help God kill them. Looking back, it should have been all too clear to me but it wasn’t.

I tried to tell a few people in my personal life about Brandon Barthrop a few years back. They acted as if I should not be judging his behavior, after all, he was able to say the word Jesus out of his mouth. As if that in and of itself is enough proof in one has truly been born – again!

This is pulled off Barthrop’s facebook page and this is mild compared to some other stuff:

“The f…ing b..ch ass mother….ing generals of Joel’s mother….ing army are positioned all over the f…ing world. Right on time b…es. F… yea! Truth any mother….ing how.”

If you are interested in seeing what following one delusion after another looks like, you can do a search for his youtube video with the words Brandon Barthrop Cleansing the Temple of God – Judgment in the Church.

But do not say I did not warn you.

To anyone who might be passing through to get a peek at what I’m about these days, and if you are one who is following signs and wonders AFTER WE WERE WARNED NOT TO, if you are one of the ones who have thought me judging, as you have sat and judged nothing except for those of us who are being Bereans, if you are one of the ones who think just because someone can say Jesus out of their mouth then all must be well and good with that person, I CHALLENGE YOU TO GO ON AND GET A GOOD LOOK AT WHAT YOU DEFENDED a few years back. May — you — choke – on — it! The seasoned Christian within the church has allowed these things to happen by putting their seal of approval on it when they dared not question it, for refusing to test all things, for refusing to discern while in search of the latest thing, when they refused to look at it and see it for what it was in the beginning, for not speaking out and warning the younger generation!

What do the things of the heathen have to do with the people of God?

Evil — with or without the lyrics — Utterly evil and for the Christian not see it, wanting to make excuses for it is incomprehensible other than their conscience has been seered.

Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, — 1 Timothy 4:1,2 –

The lyrics to the Harlem Shake that Christains are dancing to like heathen in the churches:

With the terrorists
Hey Shake
Hey Shake
Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey
Shake, Ta. Ta
And do the Harlem Shake
Shake Hey, Hey

Shake, Shake
Hey
Shake, Shake, Shake
With the terrorists
Hey, with terrorists
Hey, Hey

Christianity Today Magazine on the Harlem Shake:
By examining popular phenomena, rather than clicking and letting them pass us by, we may get some insight into the nature of our culture. Let us take the time to recognize joy, humor, pride, communal spirit, and brokenness reflected in the latest hit video rather than limiting ourselves to the shallow experience of commodification.

But no! The Church is not here to study or esteem the culture of man or nations. It all is a stench to His nostrils. There is only one thing that is pleasing to Him and it is His Son. We are not here to recognise the filth of man. We are not here to compromise so we can somehow fit in. This world and the things of this world lead to eternal damnation! 

Let the heathen be heathens, but let God’s people come out from among them and be seperate! 

Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. — James 4:4 –

Voodoo in the Church

The first four clips show us something called the Harlem Shake that has taken over some churches. It is ripped off from VooDoo.

This is not a new thing. Just packaged differently. It was just a few years we had the following:

LocalPastor:

Do not think God will not judge this. He most certainly will and those who refuse to come out from among them, will continue to get more delusions upon them. Funny isn’t it, how those of us who tried warning people just a few years back, were mocked and ridiculed and judged — when these are the people who keep getting more deluded, more possessed by demons and hell awaits them unless they repent. For they are worshipping demons and do not even know it! Do they even care?

America has preachers who are leading their congregation straight to hell!

Come out from among them!

The “Jesus Culture” – a petri dish for growing young new heretics?

bzel333: The Jesus Culture Conferences are teaching biblical error. Some biblical errors are more obvious than others. One error that can be hard to detect is the “different gospel” that is taught and preached consistently throughout Jesus Culture’s teachings. It is “Word of faith” and signs and wonders and not at all Christ centered and cross focused. If you are planning to attend a Jesus Culture Conference, I would strongly reconsider attending.

Wretched: The History Channel’s “Bible”: A review

He pretty much sums it up in a nutshell.

WretchedNetwork:

The Stench of Man verses the Fragrance of God

For we are to God the fragrance of Christ among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing. To the one we are the aroma of death leading to death, and to the other the aroma of life leading to life. — 2 Corinthians 2:15,16 –

The things of man are like a rotting corpse. Ever been to a funeral and watched as people pass by the dead body and say things like, “She/He looks good”? I suppose it is the polite thing to do. I am certainly not judging anyone during a time of grief. I just find it odd that we pay so much attention to something that is dead, something that had to be prepared for viewing, usually new clothes had to be bought. People stand, grieving, looking down at their loved one in hopes they look similar to what they remember. Almost like hoping, the dead body will give some kind of comfort. But it never will. It lays there — dead. It can not rise up and give you one last kiss or embrace. There is nothing comforting about a dead body no matter how much outward work is put into it.

Too many times what man calls pleasing, what man esteems, what man lifts up — much like a rotting corpse – is nothing more than a stench to the nostrils of a holy God. Today, there are many dead things trying to exalt themselves over that which is alive. I’ve heard them on TV. I hear them on radio, I have seen it in the pulpits. I’ve even seen it and smelled it in Christian bookstores over the years.

I’ve come to the point where it is grating to my ears and it sounds like noise. Irritating, grinding, useless, vain empty chatter. It means very little, if anything to me.

Too many times I have touched and clung to, that which is unclean, rotting, dead. All the while still, hoping in that passage of He who began a good work in you is faithful to complete it. But, if we allow ourselves to take on a dead thing, then that dead thing will take us on. We have to let go of the dead things and embrace that which brings life, if we want to be alive in Jesus. There is no other way.

The stench of man, no matter how great the fire that kindles it, no matter how long it has been rotting, will never win over the fragrance of God. No, not ever.

The stench of man always points back to self. Self is the one to be adored, worshipped, trusted and esteemed. Stench camps all over the place. Don’t believe me? Look at government, look at those in politics, look at some of the ministries you may support, look in your own church! Look and see what kingdoms they try to build here on earth. Look and see how they wish to enslave you, making you subserviant not to the One True God, but to them, causing you to cling to the dead things!

Are the things you cling to releasing the fragrance of God in your life, or is there a stench? I know. I know what that stench smells like because I have had it all over me! It is even within this blog! I know from where it came! It came from clinging to dead things. Hoping somehow they could rise up and embrace me and make me feel better, lead me to a sense of safety. That in and of itself is idolatry! But I did not know, I did not know. Still, it made me guilty! Guilty of trusting in worthless idols!

God over and over has told me to stop doing this or that, but no, I, in my rebellion –  in sin, have done the other! We know we should do what God tell us, but we say in our hearts: ”I will not. I am justified for feeling the way I feel.” Ok. But be ready to accept the consequences of such an act. It brings death. You can try and dress it up, you can try and get around it, you can even try to make up for it (as if we can) by thinking we can somehow fake God off by doing some good work. The fact remains — you are dead. Completely dead and your works, your trying is nothing but a stench before the nostrils of God.

So how is the fragrance of God realeased? I think it begins when you find yourself getting sick of the stench around you. When you finally notice that you have picked up the stench and it resides on you, that too is probably a good indication, that it is about time to have the fragrance of God released in your life.

If you are one who has become sick of the stench of the world, run to Him! Do not wait, lest the dead things continue to defile you. If you already have the stench of the dead upon you, do not be embarrased or afraid to run to the Father. He already knows you stink and He is probably more than likely the only One who has been able to put up with your foul smell.

Let the sweet smelling aroma of a perfect holy living sacrifice arise in you!

Therefore be imitators of God as dear children. And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma. — Ephesians 5:1,2 –

Rick Warren Welcomes the First Ever Jesuit Pope, But Does He Know the Jesuit Agenda?

http://www.spiritual-research-network.com/SRN_blog/2013/3/Rick-Warren-Welcomes-the-First-Ever-Jesuit-Pope-But-Does-He-Know-the-Jesuit-Agenda-

Today, March 13, 2013, the first ever Jesuit pope was elected. A Jesuit pope? Yes!

Born Jorge Mario Bergoglio, Cardinal Bergoglio is now to be recognized as Pope Francis, the 265th pope of the Roman Catholic Church. Official Vatican sources say he is the 265th pope. Others you may see may refer to him as the 266th successor of St. Peter.

So now we have a “Jesuit” Bishop of Rome who will be touted as the “Jesuit” Vicar of Jesus Christ and the “Jesuit” successor of Peter. He will be recognized worldwide as the “Jesuit” Prince of the Apostles and the “Jesuit” Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church. Those in Europe will see him as the “Jesuit” Primate of Italy and the “Jesuit” Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province. For those who are more “servant” minded, he will be seen as the “Jesuit” Servant of the Servants of God. Finally, he will be hailed as the “Jesuit” Sovereign in the State of the Vatican City. Rome will bow down to yet another “Pope,” only this time he is fully Jesuit (“God’s Marine’s”) as a member of The Society of Jesus.

According to the newly updated entry on Wikipedia for Jorge Mario Bergoglio, Pope “Francis is the first Jesuit pope, the first from outside of Europe in more than a millennium, the first from the Americas, and the first from the Southern Hemisphere.”

“Pope Francis[1] (Latin: Franciscus, Spanish: Francisco; born Jorge Mario Bergoglio on 17 December 1936) is the 265th[2] and current pope of the Catholic Church, elected on 13 March 2013.[3] In that role he is both the leader of the Church and Sovereign of the Vatican City State. Francis is the first Jesuit pope, the first from outside of Europe in more than a millennium, the first from the Americas, and the first from the Southern Hemisphere.”

From 1998 until his election as pope, he served as the Archbishop of Buenos Aires, and was created cardinal in 2001.

Another entry on Wikipedia that was changed immediately upon the Cardinal being elected as Pope can be found under the Wikipedia entry for “Jesuit.” The text added today, near the bottom of the Wikipedia article states:

“Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio of Argentina was elected pope on March 13, 2013 and is the first Jesuit pope.”

Rick Warren “Welcome’s” Pope Francis, the First Ever Jesuit Pope

Something else of interest is the fact the Rick Warren, who professes to be an Evangelical with the Southern Baptist Convention, enthusiastically welcomed the new Jesuit Pope through Twitter.

The following are Rick Warren’s very own words and also a screenshot of his Twitter entry:

Welcome Pope Francis, Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio,

#HebemusPapum You have our prayers.

7:30PM – 13 Mar 13

Now this is rather interesting, an evangelical minister welcoming a Jesuit Pope? And how about Rick Warren’s influence on Twitter. His own warm “Welcome” of this Jesuit pope has already been re-Tweeted 659 times and it has been “favorited” 184 times. This is influence, and this is positive advertising for the Jesuit agenda and the false gospel of Roman Catholicism.
Here is the same Tweet on Rick Warren’s very own personal Twitter account.

These are interesting things indeed! Why is Rick Warren so enthusiastically “Welcom[ing]” the new Pope Francis into office, and at that, the first ever “Jesuit” pope?

It’s Time to Wake Up and Clearly Understand the Jesuit Agenda

If one understands the historical background of the Jesuit priesthood it makes no sense at all why a man who claims to be an evangelical Christian would have anything at all to do with positively “welcoming” a Jesuit into office. Historically, the Jesuit agenda stands against everything that biblical Protestantism is for. The Jesuit are notorious for undoing biblical Christianity.

In a special report entitled ‘The Jesuit Agenda and the Evangelical/Protestant Church’ by Lighthouse Trails and Understand the Times, the authors elaborate very clearly on the following topics listed here. In doing so, they explain why the Jesuits and their agenda are so dangerous. Here is the list of topics in this recommended article.

- Who are the Jesuits? – Who Was Ignatius Loyola? – The Jesuit Oath – The Jesuit Agenda Today – Jesuit (Mystical) Spirituality and the Protestant/Evangelical Church – The Counter Reformation Continues – Where Else in Evangelicalism is the Jesuit Evangelism Showing Up? – The Fatima Plan

The following is a brief excerpt from the article ‘The Jesuit Agenda and the Evangelical/Protestant Church’:

The Jesuit Oath
It is said that the ancient Jesuits took the Jesuit Oath. This has been refuted by Catholic sources as a true oath taken by Jesuits of the past; nevertheless, there is evidence enough that the oath did exist to include excerpts of it in this report. We have taken these excerpts from a book titled Political and Economic Handbook by Thomas Edward Watson published in 1916, and found in the Harvard College library.

I do declare from my heart, without mental reservation, that the Pope is Christ’s Vicar General and . . .  He hath power to depose Heretical Kings, Princes, States  . . .  that they may safely be destroyed. Therefore, to the utmost of my power I will defend this doctrine. . . . I do further declare the doctrine of the Church of England, of the Calvanists [sic], the Huguenots, and other Protestants to be damnable and those to be damned who will not forsake the same.
I do further declare that I will help, assist, and advise all or any of His Holiness agents in any place wherever I shall be; and to do my utmost to extirpate [exterminate] the heretical Protestant doctrine, and to destroy all their pretended power. (p. 437)

In another version of the Jesuit Oath, the Jesuit is asked to promise that he will make “relentless war” against “all heretics, Protestants” and to “hang, burn, waste, boil, flay, strangle, and bury alive these infamous heretics” (found in U.S. House Congressional Record, 1913, p. 3216).
The Jesuit Agenda Today:
While we are not saying that Jesuits today are murdering Protestants if they don’t convert to Catholicism, we are saying that the determination and efforts to convert Protestants back to the Mother Church still exist. Basically, while the methods may have changed, the plan and objectives have not. The following quote from an article titled “Essay on Popery” by Rev. Ingram Cobbin M.A. (taken from one edition of Foxe’s Book of Martyrs) is insightful:

The Jesuits, though at times expelled or pretendedly so from Rome, have been its awful emissaries to augment its power.  The intrigues and deceptions of these men would fill volumes, and the conveniency of their creed to deny or affirm anything, or assume any profession as it may serve their purpose, is too well known to need recapitulating here.  These men have at times assumed so much that every papal state has alternately ejected them; and large numbers are now in this country—doubtless many under false colours —waiting the most favourable opportunities to corrupt the rising generation, and, as much as possible, restore the dark days of former ages.  The Jesuits are unchangeable.

The Jesuits were driven in the past to bring back the lost brethren, and they are driven today with the same vision. Today, that vision is part of the pope’s Eucharistic Evangelization, drawing people to the Eucharistic Christ. The Eucharistic Evangelization is discussed at length in Another Jesus: The Evangelization of the Eucharistic Christ and in several articles on the Understand the Times website.

At the end of this article that thoroughly exposes the “Jesuit Agenda,” the author’s state some very interesting facts:

Rick Warren and Bill Hybels – protégés of Peter Drucker, by the way – have advanced the Jesuit Agenda by leaps and bounds. Many of these “new” Christianity, new reformation leaders have ignored the prophetic warnings of Jesus Christ’s soon return based on the signs we see from Bible prophecy. Instead, they promote the establishment of the kingdom of God with all the world’s religions.
The emerging church movement, which has been widely propagated by Warren, Hybels, and a host of other Christian figures, has been used by Satan to quickly bring about this worldwide deception by introducing mystical experiences and the social gospel to an entire generation of young people. Sensual experiences that tickle the flesh of the postmodern generation are often the same ones that Rome has used in the past to convince the faithful that they have encountered the God of the Bible. History reveals that history is repeating, and the same tools of delusion are being used over and over.

Those who shine the light on the Jesuit Agenda are considered to be conspiratorial crackpots. The prophets of the past when they exposed the Babylonian worship by the leaders of Israel were also deemed to be crazy, as have been Bible-believing Christians since Christianity began. One of those was John Huss  (1372-1415). John Foxe describes what happened:

[Huss] compiled a treatise in which he maintained that reading the books of Protestants could not be absolutely forbidden. He wrote in defense of Wickliffe’s book on the Trinity; and boldly declared against the vices of the pope, the cardinals, and clergy of those corrupt times. He wrote also many other books, all of which were penned with a strength of argument that greatly facilitated the spreading of his doctrines. . . . (13)

Rick Warren’s Extra-Ecumenical Impressions versus John Foxes The Acts and Monuments of the Christian Church

At the end of the day one simply has to wonder if Rick Warren has any understanding at all what the Jesuit agenda is all about? Does he understand their “vows” and what goes on behind closed doors in the Jesuit priesthood? Does he know that when he writes things like “Welcome Pope Francis, Cardinal Mario Bergoglio…You have our prayers” people that know the Jesuit agenda have to seriously think twice about the validity of Rick Warren’s “Christianity”? Does he know that he is giving an extra-ecumenical impression that he himself is pro Pope Francis and the Roman Catholic Church?

Many people who are familiar with Rick Warren’s chameleon-like theological shiftings, his numerous false teachings and his unbiblical global P.E.A.C.E Plan are thinking more and more that Rick Warren may full-well know exactly what the Jesuit agenda is. Perhaps his severe mishandlings of Scripture and his long-time rejection of bibliclal reproof will one day reveal that he is more more of a pawn in the grand Jesuit chess game than we all realized. Time will reveal more and more what the Jesuits are doing.

Foxes Book of Christian Martyrs is an abridged version of John Foxes The Acts and Monuments of the Christian Church. In Foxes Acts and Monuments, much more is revealed about the Jesuit plan to destroy Protestant Christianity and its faithful preachers of the Word of God. Every Christian should read these works slowly and prayerfully, along with their Bible. If they did, there would be a lot less fake Christianity around and a lot more serious commitment to the biblicla Gospel and exposing the lies of the Satan.

Rick Warren’s Tweet of “Welcome Pope Francis, Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio” is a red-letter day for Jesuit Pope Francis, for all the Jesuit priests across the globe and for the deeply sinister age-old Jesuit agenda itself.

What lies in store for global apostate Christendom, this year and in the coming years, will be very telling indeed. As the ever-growing ecumenical Rick Warren agenda coalesces more and more with the global false gospel Roman Catholicism mysticism, the Jesuits are finally seeing the agenda fold out into full bloom.

Do popes preach the gospel?

This brother speaks very well what has been in my heart concerning the pope. Hear him.

Link gotten here:

http://ianvincent.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/do-popes-preach-the-gospel/

No pope has ever preached the gospel and no pope ever will.

Could a genuine Christian man ever work his way up to be head of the Mafia? Will you ever find a Christian man at the top of a crime syndicate?

Likewise, will you ever find a real Christian man as head of the RCC? No.

If Paul the Apostle were here today would he have been elected pope ahead of Francis?

Of course not. Why?

They would hate him with a vengeance because he would preach the true Gospel of Jesus Christ to them and call them to repent. They would accuse Paul of having no love or compassion and of being narrow-minded, and of not respecting their traditions.

If the pope truly got saved and filled with the Holy Spirit he would immediately preach the truth about Jesus and he would testify that Jesus saved him from being an idol worshiper and a necromancer (one who prays to the dead, which is the occult and witchcraft) and that none of the things Catholics do in their religion ever makes them right in the sight of God, in fact the opposite: when they fellowship with and pray to idols they fellowship with demons.

He would tell them that it is by faith alone in the finished work of Christ on the Cross we are saved, and to add anything to the gospel means to forfeit Christ. It’s not Jesus plus Mary, or any rituals and superstitions, it is only Jesus. (If it’s only Jesus then they would be out of business: the whole religion becomes irrelevant)

He would call Catholics everywhere to smash their idols and burn all their magic fetishes.

Do you think that pope would live to see another day on this earth?

But if they would have elected Paul the Apostle as pope that’s what he would do.

But God will destroy the abominations of Rome: And the ten horns which you saw upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. — Revelation 17:8 –