bzel333: The Jesus Culture Conferences are teaching biblical error. Some biblical errors are more obvious than others. One error that can be hard to detect is the “different gospel” that is taught and preached consistently throughout Jesus Culture’s teachings. It is “Word of faith” and signs and wonders and not at all Christ centered and cross focused. If you are planning to attend a Jesus Culture Conference, I would strongly reconsider attending.
April 3, 2013
Apostacy, The Great Falling Away, Learning to Discern, False Signs and Wonders, Health/Wealth "Gospel", False Teachers, False Prophets, False Revival, Bob Jones, False Churches, False "Gospels", Bethel, Demon Possession Discernment, False Signs and Wonders, False Teachers, False Prophets, False Revivals 2 Comments
January 5, 2013
Too many Christians today are too willing to swallow the words of their favorite teacher or prophet. When confronted with the fact that many of them are blatant deceivers, kooks and manipulators, the rest of us are always accused that we are too negative, that we must always say nice thing. Well, Jesus didn’t think so.
Following article gotten here:
October 21, 2012
Answering the Objections of Modern Apostles, Prophets, and Their Defenders – by Keith Gibson
In dealing with the new “apostles” and “prophets” as well as with their followers, one quickly encounters a problem. They do not wish to listen. In fact, the “prophetic movement” has developed an entire series of pat answers and knee-jerk reactions to those raising concerns about their teachings that makes any substantive dialogue on the actual issues themselves virtually impossible. Not only have modern prophets filled the church with extra-biblical and unbiblical revelations and doctrines, leading many away from the pure faith, but they have also insulated themselves from any correction by the larger body of Christ. These straw-men arguments and red herrings… must be refuted before any significant progress can be made on the larger issues.
The Martyrdom Complex
Martyrdom is a powerful symbol in religion. The person claiming martyr status becomes untouchable, unquestionable. Further, it immediately positions the one doing the challenging as evil, a Nazi, or worse… I have noticed a similar trend among many within the prophetic movement… To confront them is to persecute them.
Prophetess Victoria Boyson does this repeatedly. In two different prophetic messages (“The Religious Spirit that Seeks to Convince Us It Is God” and “Warriors of Truth”) she claims that those who “speak against” other Christians release demonic activity against their lives.
Or consider the words of Rick Joyner:
Two ministries go on continually before God’s throne: One is the ministry of intercession, the other is accusation… Satan…is called “the accuser of the brethren,” and we are told that his ministry goes on “day and night” before the throne of God (Rv. 12:10). How can Satan continue to accuse the saints before God if he has been thrown out of heaven and no longer has access to the throne? The answer: Satan uses the saints, who do have access to the throne, to do this diabolical work for him. (A Prophetic Vision for the 21st Century, Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1999, pp.38-39)
Moving past Joyner’s interesting speculation that it is actually through the words of Christians that Satan accuses the brethren before the throne, the central point is obvious: any form of criticism is the devil’s work… Joyner deflects any and all criticism by attributing it to satanically inspired persecution. In his ["visionary"] book The Final Quest, upon seeing a vast army of Christians under the control of the devil, Joyner hears the voice of the Lord state, “This is Satan’s ultimate deception. His ultimate power of destruction is released when he uses Christians to attack one another.” [The result of all this] is that no meaningful dialogue can take place when one of the parties is playing the victim. Even in the culture at large, victims get a pass.
The New Testament, however, does not support this assumption that disagreeing with a teacher’s doctrine is tantamount to persecuting them. There are numerous examples of the apostles warning against false teachers and even at times calling them out by name in order to protect the rest of the body–and this is never equated with persecution (2 Timothy 1:15, 17-18; 4:9, 14-15; 1 Corinthians 15; 3 John 9, etc…).
Appeal to Unity
Another common tactic employed by today’s prophets and apostles is to accuse those who attempt to correct false doctrine of being divisive, of sowing discord among the brothers. In his book Overcoming Evil in the Last Days, Joyner impugns the motives of those who would dare to be concerned about false teaching creeping into the church: “Although this spirit usually comes in the guise of protecting the sheep, the truth, or the Lord’s glory, it is an evil, critical spirit that will always end up causing division and destruction.”
Unity within the body is very important. Jesus prayed that we may be one just as He and the Father are one. Paul makes a powerful appeal for unity in Ephesians 4. It is a serious issue. But biblical unity is a unity based on truth, not in opposition to it. The Bible does not advocate peace at any price…
“You’re a Pharisee!”
Joyner devotes an entire third of Overcoming Evil to the subject of the “religious spirit”:
The Lord had little trouble with demons while He walked on earth. They quickly recognized His authority and begged for mercy. It was the conservative, zealous, religious community that immediately became His greatest enemy. Those who were the most zealous for the Word of God crucified the Word Himself when He became flesh to walk among them. The same is still true [today]. (Destiny Image Publishers, 2003, pp. 133)
…Because Joyner mentions no names specifically, he can feel that he is staying above the fray and is not guilty of the very thing that he is condemning. In Joyner’s system, to stand squarely on the truth of God’s Word is to be a Pharisee and a potential enemy of God, even worse trouble than a demon…
The charge of being a Pharisee is extremely emotionally powerful–for the Pharisees stand among the worst of the bad guys in the NT. This is doubly true when it is combined with the rhetoric that it was the Pharisees who killed Christ. Mike Bickle demonstrates this attack well when he states, “It was the ones pressing into biblical orthodoxy that murdered Christ.” So, to be passionate about the truth is to be a Pharisee and a Christ-killer…
Were the Pharisees those who were biblically orthodox?… A careful study of Scripture [reveals that] the problem with the Pharisees is not that they held the Scriptures in too high esteem, but rather they were perfectly willing to cancel them out in favor of their own doctrines… (Matthew 15:1-9, John 5:45-47)… The problem was not their adherence to the Bible but rather their adherence to their own doctrines, devised by men… We see much the same thing happening in the prophetic movement. We see a host of teachers inventing new doctrines that are completely unsubstantiated by Scripture and then presenting them as fact even if they contradict the direct teachings of the Word of God… It is not those who cling to the revealed truth of God found in the Scripture who are the true spiritual descendants of the Pharisees.
Of course, another way to refuse to deal with those who raise concerns about [false] teachings is simply to ignore them. In an interview with Charisma magazine, when asked about those who have concerns about his false prophecies, doctrines, and involvement with the Knights of Malta, Rick Joyner replied, “I’m not going to listen to people I think aren’t legitimate leaders in the body of Christ.”… Joyner [and countless others] have thus positioned [themselves] above correction.
Other prophets have taught that a prophet can only be corrected by someone who also has [equal] or greater status. Since most of the teachers in the evangelical and protestant world would never claim to be prophets or apostles, this essentially means that modern prophets are completely uncorrectable by the vast majority of the church!
Demonize the Opposition
Another common strategy employed by the modern prophets to deflect scrutiny away from their unbiblical teaching is to begin to discuss some kind of demonic influence in the person raising the concern… This usually comes in the form of the “Jezebel spirit,” the “religious spirit,” and “the accuser of the brethren.” All of these entities are defined differently by the various prophets, but it is certain that they are very bad. The religious spirit is generally applied to anyone who attempts to ask questions like, “Why hasn’t the church ever believed this before?” or “Where is the doctrinal basis for these new practices?” The person is immediately painted as someone who is stuck in the “old wineskins” and is not responding to the new things that God is doing.
A religious spirit will usually give a counterfeit gift of discernment of spirits. This counterfeit gift thrives on seeing what is wrong with others rather than seeing what God is doing so that we can help them along… Though the truth may be accurate, it is ministered in a spirit that kills. (Overcoming the Religious Spirit, MorningStar Publications, 1996, Fourth Printing 2002, pp. 21-22)
…But far and away, the most common demon that one can anticipate being accused of [operating under] is the Jezebel spirit. The Jezebel spirit is generally… applied to those who will not respond to the authority of these new apostles and prophets. As one prophetic disciple expressed to me, Jezebel sought to control the king, and she attacked the prophets of God. Joyner states:
Basically, the spirit of the Jezebel is a combination of the religious spirit and the spirit of witchcraft that is the spirit of manipulation and control… This spirit attacks the prophetic ministry because that has always been the primary way in which the Lord gives timely, strategic direction to His people. (A Prophetic Vision for the 21st Century, Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1999, p. 148)
…The effect of this argument is generally exactly what the prophet desired [to instill]: a fear among God’s people to examine the “revelations” of the prophet [as] the light of God’s revealed Word, and silence when the new teachings fail to pass the test.
“Don’t Put God in a Box!”
So you think that manifestations like spiritual drunkenness, jerking, roaring, barking, and crawling around like an animal don’t seem consistent with God’s revelation of Himself and His instructions to the church given in Scripture? You are concerned that Ekstasis worship seems more like the trance states induced in pagan worship practices? Well, this is the answer for you: You’re trying to put God in a box. You are trying to dictate and limit what God can and can’t do.
The power of this argument stems from the fact that the Scriptures portray God as an awesome Being who does amazing and unexpected things, who is not formulaic in His ways. The net result of the argument, though, is an “anything goes” approach to divine activity. As long as the worshipper himself/herself feels good about what is happening, the source is assumed to be God–and no one can state differently.
But the question is not one of trying to box God in but rather one of taking God at His word. If God has said that He is not the author of confusion in the worship service but of peace (1 Corinthians 14) can we believe that or not? If it is true, then doesn’t that give us guidelines for determining that some manifestations are contrary to God’s nature as He has revealed it Himself? Are the Scriptures truly sufficient as they claim? If this is so, then won’t they give us the parameters for the activities of the Holy Spirit? Shouldn’t we apply these parameters in evaluating the modern manifestations? Taking God at His word is the essence of faith. It [doesn't mean we are] limiting God [if we] seek to live and worship according to the boundaries He has established. God has given these boundaries and warnings for the protection of His people… so that we can determine what is and what is not from Him.
“God Offends the Mind to Reveal the Heart”
[These leaders] imply that if you are not willing to shelve your brain and follow along, you have a heart problem. But the Bible… does not treat the intellect as a problem. The heart and mind are frequently used interchangeably in Scripture. [The statement "God offends the mind to reveal the heart"] is a doctrine written by modern apostles and repeated so frequently that it has gained acceptance among the biblically illiterate…. In reality, this is just the modern apostle/prophet’s way of saying, “You think too much. Just go with the flow and see where it leads.” Once again, the underlying message is crystal clear. Don’t think. Don’t question. This approach to Christianity is both unbiblical and unwise.
“God’s Gonna Judge You!”
If the attempt at silencing their critics through guilt doesn’t work, the modern prophets will move to intimidation: “God will judge you!” Look at the words of apostolic pastor Dutch Sheets in a prophecy about the “Shift in 2006″:
Those who refuse to move in current truth will begin to openly criticize leaders in the Body of Christ that are moving in the flow of the apostolic and the prophetic… When they do, God is going to begin to judge them.
This warning by Dutch Sheets would actually make sense if these modern apostles and prophets were truly in the mold of the Old Testament prophets or New Testament apostles. These men spoke with God’s authority. To reject their word was to reject the Word of God. But since today’s apostles and prophets are frequently wrong and will not subject themselves to the biblical tests, they are engaged in something far different.
By attacking anyone who expresses concern based on doctrinal issues, the modern prophets have created an environment of passive acceptance. They place themselves above rebuke and correction, even from the Word of God. [Tragically], this may truly lead to a case of the blind leading the blind.
October 1, 2012
It’s been a while since I’ve put one of these up. It’s self explanatory. So I will not do any open commenting on it. However, feel free to leave comments of your won, except for those who want to uphold the false signs and wonders movement.
I will not post those and will not answer them as the truth is pretty much stated in the video.
July 25, 2011
Following article gotten here:
My comments in green to help Bethel followers to understand where your leaders are coming from.
I think it’s a fair question given the mandate Bethel ministries proclaims.
“We’re to actually bring nations into a place of discipleship before God. God has a heart for nations to be completely transformed and saved, and we have been given a mandate and an opportunity to really step in to give influence on a national and international level.”
The Lord wants and desires all to come to Him. However, this is not the same thing as transforming the nations. We already know the nations are evil and will continue to be until the end of time. To think otherwise — to believe man or government can change the nations — is Dominion Theology; the teaching that the church has to take over everything before Jesus comes back. THIS IS A LIE. It is also one of an anti-christ spirit, for it is not dependence upon God, but one of a type of humanism and witchcraft of decreeing and declaring this-n-that. I find it interesting that the apostates decree and declare health/wealth, (never asking God for anything) yet in public movements they make a big show of repentence and mercy.
I would also ask here: Who would be doing the discipling after the nations were brought into a place of discipleship? The answer is clear: The likes of Bill Johnson and other apostates.
What does Bill Johnson mean when he says “transformed” and how to accomplish this task?
“So that’s the mandate we have, is to raise up people that can infiltrate the systems, to bring the reality of King Jesus, his presence, his power, his order, his government, his structure, his method of life, his method of honor, his treatment of other peoples, to bring that into nations. And thats the mandate we’ve been given.”
I – for one — do not sense, feel, believe any such mandate is upon me. Neither do you have such a mandate. The one mandate I do see is to pick up our cross and follow Jesus. A hard thing to do! God is NOT calling us to mandate/force His will on anyone. His will is simple: That no one should perish, but that all should come to repentence. He’s certainly not going to force that upon anyone.
Well, that is their prerogative to make this attempt to infiltrate systems, an interesting way to say government by the way, as with any other special interest. But what does that have to do with the City of Redding? Mr. Johnson admits that what they are training people to do in the political sphere is to be exported out of Redding.
But what exactly are they exporting?
“My role, your role, this house, is to export it. It means our job isn’t to go around telling, just teaching and ministering out of our gift. Our job is to take what we are experiencing on a local church level. What we are experiencing on a city wide level. Taking a portion of that, that’s our message now.”
Hmmm. How about some more specifics…
Our message is not now just a teaching, our message is now a method that’s been lived out in the culture of our local church. Demonstrated in the culture of the community, a city. Taking that piece of it to another place, transplanting it, imparting it to people.
The message is one does not need to be born-again. Just simply fall under the leadership of these apostates. THAT is the true message of these people. They would have us to believe if they can just get their agenda out, then everything will follow according to plan. Their plan, not God’s.
Now it’s getting a bit more personal, local. Here’s more…
So were not just talking about a theory, a concept, a principle, were talking about something that’s been tested in the environment of local church and city life. And that’s what we do. We’re exporters. I don’t ever want to change that. But my heart burns to be able to say, you know what, let’s experiment at home. Let’s get it working. Let’s get, let’s get the wrinkles out of this thing. Let’s get a model that is, that can be duplicated anywhere in the world. It’s not American culture, it’s revival culture and let’s take it somewhere.
So, if their goal is to export graduates that can infiltrate systems at the national and international level. To bring revivalist culture to governments, their method is to perfect a shining example, a model to be transported around the world based on their civic work in Redding.
So, my headline is a fair and open question.
Dictionary meaning of Infiltrate: 1. To pass (troops, for example) surreptitiously into enemy-held territory.
2. To penetrate with hostile intent: infiltrate enemy lines; terrorists that had infiltrated the country.
3. To enter or take up positions in gradually or surreptitiously, as for purposes of espionage or takeover: infiltrated key government agencies with spies.
4. To gain entrance gradually or surreptitiously.
In order to infiltrate, don’t you have to pretend to be one thing while actually being something else? Somehow I can not see Jesus, Paul, Peter and the others infiltrating anything. They did things so much out in the open that it got them killed!
July 25, 2011
Apostacy, The Great Falling Away, False Prophets, False Revival, False Teachers, Learning to Discern, Paganism, Witchcraft in the Church Apostacy/The Great Falling Away, Discernment, False Prophets, False Teachers, Witchcraft in the Church 16 Comments
The following was taken from a Pagan blog. I must say it is pretty darn sad when Pagans have more discernment to what is going on within the apostate church, than the church does. Though I can not ago along with Pagan practices, (I worship only one God) I respect them for their ability to see in an area that the church does not.
The following was gotten here: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/tag/heartland-apostolic-prayer-network
I’ve written at some length about the upcoming prayer rally “The Response” and its problematic organizers and endorsers, and I have also devoted quite a bit of time to the New Apostolic Reformation, a neo-Pentecostal Christian movement that regularly engages in spiritual warfare tactics, displays a disturbing anti-Pagan emphasis, and has intertwined itself with Perry and his prayer event. While I use the terminology “spiritual warfare” quite often, I think that it’s hard to envision what this practice is like among the Christians who engage in it. I’ve mentioned that it is, in essence, malefic magic, but that’s often a difficult picture to square with the usual harmless image of devout Christians with heads bowed and hands clasped. But an upcoming New Apostolic Reformation-led event, brought to my attention by fellow Pagan blogger Hecate, does an very good job of illustrating how “spiritual warfare” works in their context.
Releasing the Prophetic Destiny of a Nation. Oh goody goody, we have the likes of Cindy Jacobs and others praying (in Jacobs case: screeching like some kind of banshee) for the nation. That is comforting. Yes, I’m being sarcastic. How any Christian can take this stuff serious is beyond me. WHERE are we told in the word of God to do this? WHERE are we told to line ourselves up with such a thing? Instead we are told there is a remnant of God. (Of which I hope and pray I am part of) If thousands and thousands of people are doing the very same thing at the very same time, where is the remnant?
The above video is from an upcoming prayer-war event called “DC40″ which will “lay siege” on Washington D.C. to change the “District of Columbia” into the “Disctrict of Christ” (they even issued a faux-legal “divorce decree”). This initiative is being co-led by Cindy Jacobs (who managed to find the spiritual bright-side in the Japan and Haiti earthquakes) and John Benefiel of the Heartland Apostolic Prayer Network (HAPN), both influential figures in the New Apostolic Reformation movement, and both are national endorsers for Rick Perry’s “The Response.” In anther video, organizer and “prophetic artist” James Nesbit makes clear that the goal is to return Washington D.C. to Christ, and to eliminate compromise in our government.
The whole video is one of manipulation from his voice to the music in the back-ground. Take away the music and he would not be able to speak with such heart-felt passion. As Christains we are being led to believe that we must take part in order to bring about some kind of change in our nation. He asks, “can all 50 states cry at the same time?” I suppose there are some who would believe God would really be impressed with such a thing. However, I don’t believe God is impressed with man’s schemes, goals, agendas or/and plans at all. What happened to the prayer closet? Whatever happened to picking up your cross and following Jesus? Instead there is a move among the so-called apostles/prophets of today to just get government to do what we as the Bride of Christ should be doing: That is one of leading others to the truth.
Christians can not legislate moral behavior. Christians can not nor should not force others to believe through laws to behave what they consider godly. Only a holy God can do that and that is through repentence and being born-again. Nothing else. When the church begins to want to use government to force a nation to behave a certain way, then rest assured they have allowed government to become their god. It is no different than those who already depend upon government to answer every need.
That animus towards compromise isn’t an aberration. Benefiel’s HAPN released a “Declaration of Light” that made it very clear that they have “no power to purpose or accept any compromise of the promises of God, and we declare illegal in the earth any action or any people, Nation or nations that undertake what is contradictory to the Word of God.” In short, if it isn’t God-sanctified, it doesn’t apply to them.
Now many see these sorts of things and simply scoff. But for a large number of modern Pagans the focused intent of will, the use of prayer to achieve goals, the harnessing of intent towards a shared goal is taken very seriously, we call it magic (or magick). If we believe that groups of Pagans working towards some shared spiritual goal is effective, then by extension we can’t help but take an initiative to harness the wills and intents of thousands of Christians towards a goal that would marginalize or harm our faiths seriously. These prayer warriors make plain that their “struggle is not against flesh and blood” and that they “do not curse those deceived,” but disclaimers do not make malefic magic positive. These groups have made it very, very, clear that our gods are their enemies.
I am glad the writer made a distinction between those who want to spend their time fighting gods they do not believe in from those of us who would rather find something better to do with our time. The Christian who wants to fight gods they do not believe in, are silly. No different than an atheist who would spend all their time getting upset over a god they did not believe in. From the Christian standpoint, I suppose it is much easier than actually picking up the cross.
The question is how do we respond? Some want to respond with their own magical action, but would that simply feed their spiritual warfare paradigm? As the New Apostolic Reformation climbs the ladder of influence and power within politics, organizing their massive group spells, simply ignoring them seems to be quickly fading away as an option.
A comment taken from the site concerning this matter: Perhaps we should become “better healers than they are warriors”? And I think a healthy dose of humor would be a good healing tactic.
I wish I had her sense of humor. But I don’t. I think these false prophets/apostles are leading the church straight to anti-christ. Whatever, whoever it is.
If I had to choose between the two, I would much rather have a pagan for my friend than these who are setting themselves up for the rest of the church to follow.
July 15, 2011
These people died because they listened to the lies of a deceiver.
It is reported they had no Bibles. All they had was Camping’s radio broadcasts. The false prophet said doomsday was to happen, and they went to wait for the return of the Lord. The communists killed them.
I am only human and can hold no man accountable. However, if I could, I would send Harold Camping to prison for his lies, deceit and fleecing of the sheep — along with the many others that have been exposed as false lying abomnible teachers/prophets/evangelists/apostles/pastors.
Beware of those who set dates. They lie.
Perhaps if these people had just one Bible, this would not have happened. Yet, there were plenty of Americans with Bibles who believed the lies of this imposter.
Harold Camping sent them to their death just as Jim Jones sent 900 people to their doom in the jungle. Just like any other cult who follows man and leads people in deception.
Matthew 24:36 on the Lord’s return:
But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. – Jesus –
July 6, 2011
Apostacy, The Great Falling Away, Choo Thomas, False Prophets, False Signs and Wonders, False Teachers, Kundalini, Learning to Discern, Occult, Stupid Spirit in the Church, Warnings to the Church Apostacy/The Great Falling Away, Discernment, False Jesus, False Prophets, False Signs and Wonders, False Teachers, Kundilini, Warnings to the Church 3 Comments
Following article gotten here:
NOTE: I will not be taking comments from those who want to promote or defend this book. The following author has given us more than enough proof of the occult lying spirit behind this book.
by Robert S. Liichow
I am not surprised that people have an interest in the afterlife. Every world religion, cult and sect has its version of what happens after we die and since there is still one death per person due to being sinners it comes as no surprise that the world desperately seeks answers. What does surprise me is how gullible and biblically illiterate multitudes of Christians are regarding this subject.
The vast majority of Christians who purchase these books fall into the category of sign-gift believers, i.e. people of the Pentecostal and charismatic persuasion. Coming from that background I can shed some light as to why these folks are more susceptible to this particular brand of deception. Many (not all) charismatic believers hold to the view that God is still revealing truth to His people, apart from the Bible. While claiming to believe that the Bible is the standard by which they judge all revelations, they readily admit that new revelations are still coming, usually through the so-called restored Apostles or Prophets. What they will not admit is that the Bible is a complete and totally sufficient revelation. According to them God has something more to say.
I remember confronting John Arnott, the Pastor of the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship regarding the bizarre and unbiblical manifestations transpiring under his pastoral leadership. I challenged him to prove that what was taking place could be found within the context of Scripture. He responded by attempting to validate the manifestations by using fragments of biblical text without regard to their context. When I challenged him regarding his use of proof texts he switched gears and used what I have since termed the “John 21:25 Argument.” This text reads “And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written Amen.” Arnott and the other charismatic extremists cite this text to answer those who question their new doctrines or practices. When forced into a corner exegetically they simply respond that what they are teaching or doing is part of the “many other things which Jesus did” that are not recorded for us in the Bible, but God in these last days is revealing them to us!
This is philosophically called – an argument from silence, there is no way of biblically validating such claims ergo we are told to accept them based on the sole authority of the person(s) making them. Thus the restored prophet or apostle becomes the authority over the new doctrines and practices and not the Bible. To question them is to doubt the work of God in the end times and to demand biblical precedents simply proves that we are undoubtedly of a Pharisaical spirit and are steeped in legalism.
All of the accounts regarding alleged visits to heaven and hell since the 1800’s in America have been written by either Pentecostal or charismatic believers. This most recent foray into the afterlife is no exception to this fact. The book we are going to consider has sold over 450,000 copies overseas, making it an international bestseller and with the recent full page story in Charisma magazine (whose publisher, Strang Communications, just happens to be owner of Creation House, the publisher of this book) it will no doubt quickly gather steam among the sign-seekers in our own nation.
Throughout this article I will be citing the page numbers in brackets versus using endnotes. The title is: Heaven Is So Real, Thomas, Choo, Lake Mary, FL: Creation House, 2003.
Who Is Choo Thomas?
Isn’t it interesting that of all the accounts by people claiming to have given a personal tour of heaven (or hell) do not have any theological training whatsoever! In other words, Jesus does not choose someone like Dr. R.C. Sproul, Dr. H. Wayne House, Dr. Marquart or any other theologians to give a personal visit of the heavenly realms too. Instead, He chooses people with little to no biblical education or knowledge whatsoever, like Choo Thomas.
Mrs. Thomas is a Korean-American, her parents are deceased, and she is married and has two grown children (p1). She says she became a Christian in February, 1992 and from that moment on she began to skyrocket into the upper realms of personal holiness “I could only think about Jesus every waking moment,” (p.1). Two years later she says she received “the fire of the Holy Spirit” while she was praying at home in January, 1994. After this experience she had her first vision of Jesus sitting by the pulpit at her local Assembly of God in Tacoma, WA (p.2).
What Does Choo’s Jesus Look Like?
It is interesting but almost everybody’s heavenly encounter with our resurrected Lord differs as to their descriptions of what Jesus looks like. According to Choo this is how Jesus looks:
He was sitting by the pulpit. His legs were crossed, and I could see Him as clearly as a real person, except I couldn’t see His face. As I perceived Him, He had silky white hair and was wearing a pure white robe. His person was visible to me for almost five minutes. After seeing Him my body was on fire with unspeakable joy, and I became wholeheartedly committed to Jesus. (p.2)
Unfortunately, no one else saw “Jesus” during this service or any other time throughout her book. Being married to an African-American woman for over twenty years I can tell you I know the difference between silky (straight) and wooly (kinky hair. According to the Book of Daniel (Dan. 7:9) and the Book of Revelation, Jesus Christ has hair “like as wool” (see Rev. 1:14) which any woman can tell you is far from silky. Beyond this minor detail what is troubling is that Jesus appears to this woman for no apparent reason, He is simply “there.” Every time the Lord appeared either in an Old Testament theophany or in the New Testament (Stephens stoning in Acts 7:59; Paul’s conversion in Acts 9:4; or John on Patmos in Rev. 1:12) it was for a specific purposes in the economy of God. As we shall see, Choo’s role is pivotal in God’s end-time redemptive plan. Beyond seeing this apparition and feeling her body of fire with joy nothing else transpired but 100% commitment to Jesus.
Before delving deeper into Choo’s delusion let me just say that there is no such thing biblically as a baptism of fire. She says she had some physical experience in 01-94 which she interpreted as “the fire of the Holy Spirit,” yet there is no support exegetically for such a claim. It is after this vision that things begin to become very bizarre in Mrs. Thomas’ life.
A Whole Lotta Shakin’ Going On aka Choo is Special!
As of Easter Sunday, 1995 Choo enters into (and she has not stopped to this day) the realm of charismatic extremist manifestations. While she and her family were attending their AOG church in Puget Sound she states:
…my whole body began to shake violently, and we had to stay for second service. I was experiencing the same phenomenon known among Quakers, Shakers and early Pentecostals. Since then, my body never stops shaking in church or during my prayer time at home. Two weeks after this Easter Sunday experience, I received the gift of tongues while at home and began to sing in the Spirit. While watching a Benny Hinn crusade on television, I stood up and lifted my hands in prayer. Then I fell on the floor for almost three hours. The anointing of God’s Holy Spirit was so strong that I couldn’t get up, and all I could do was sing and talk in tongues and laugh. During every worship service after that, I could see the presence of the Lord Jesus in church. (p2)
Please note that Mrs. Thomas is a very special person which she shall make abundantly clear to all of us as we progress. The church she was attending obviously had been involved in the Toronto Blessing aka The Pensacola Outpouring because neither the pastor nor anyone else thought her shaking was out of the ordinary. What is out of the ordinary is that this shaking occurs whenever she is in a church service or even praying at home. She also claims to have received the gift of other tongues while alone at home. Apart from the debate as to the validity of this gift today, the general manner in which 99.9% of all Pentecostal and charismatic believers receive this gift is through the laying on of someone else’s hands or during a congregational meeting. Very few people attest to receiving this gift at home, and without dispute no one in the book of Acts received any of the spiritual gifts apart from the presence and/or the ministry of one or more of the Apostles.
Choo seems to indicate that she received this gift while watching a Benny Hinn crusade on television, this is very problematic considering the facts about Mr. Hinn since he is a false prophet, false teacher and proven liar. Also her statement about being slain in the spirit for almost 3 hours seems more demonic than divine. She states that she could not get up, something she stresses throughout her book, and all she could do was sing, talk in tongues and laugh. She attributes this experience to the anointing of the Holy Spirit being heavy upon her. As taught and practiced by today’s sign-gift believers there is biblically no such thing as being slain in the spirit. More importantly, the Holy Spirit gives us self-control (see Gal. 5:23 and 2 Peter 1:6). He does not possess us to the extent where we are physically paralyzed yet according to Choo this is exactly how the Spirit ministers to her. After this possession, which is what I consider it to be, her spiritual eyes are opened and from this point on she could see the presence the Lord in every worship service.
I will not go into the history of these aberrant “revivals” and their attending manifestations. I have covered them in the fullest detail avail in my 2 books “Blessing or Judgment” and “Two Roots of Today’s Revival.”
Obviously, Choo is the yielded vessel through whom God is about to do a great work, a theme she hammers home throughout her book. This preparatory work is ratcheted up by the Lord after her Easter 1995 experience. On January 19, 1996 the Lord wakes her in the early morning and personally visits her. Before each visit the Lord causes her body to shake and perspire for close to an hour, and then the apparition speaks and appears to her.
I turned my head on the pillow to look in the direction of the sound, and there, all aglow, was a figure dressed in white garments. The radiance that emanated from this unknown visitor was so brilliant that I could not see His face, but in my heart of hearts I knew that I had been blessed with a special visitation from the Lord. (p.7).
How did she know this was Jesus? She “knew” in her heart of hearts. I guess she never was taught that Satan masquerades as an angel of light (2 Cor. 11:14) or that our Lord Himself warned that many will come saying “I am he Christ” (Matt. 24:5). This figure speaks the following words to her “My daughter, Choo Nam, I am your Lord, and I want to talk to you. You have been My special daughter for a long time,” (p.7). According to her own chronology she has been saved about 4 years when this occurs, not much of a “long time” in my book. Don’t lose sight of how Choo’s Jesus calls her His special daughter, Choo is special! He goes on to reveal to her “Daughter you are such an obedient child, and I want to give you special gifts. These gifts are going to serve Me greatly. I want you to be happy about these gifts,” (p.8). Because of her total obedience to the Lord, He has chosen to give her special gifts and He wants her to be “happy” about them.
I knew at that moment God was choosing me to do an important work for Him and that this must become my single-minded purpose…I have known since then that when my body begins to shake from the inside out that God will be speaking to me…God has chosen me for a specific work. It was too wonderful to imagine…(p.8).
The same experience happens again the next morning and this time as she shakes and sweats the Lord explains the reason He must do this to her: “You are my precious daughter…I am giving you the power that you will need for the work I’ve called you to do. I am preparing you to serve Me. Your body shakes as the power flows into you. I am giving you all the spiritual gifts. I am releasing your spirit so you will be completely free to serve Me. (p. 10).
Now we know when we see someone shaking and sweating it is because of the anointing of the Holy Spirit. We are witnessing God pouring His power into some one for a special purpose. He is working to release his or her spirit so that yielded vessel can serve Him! Choo explains it this way to us:
The shaking continued for twenty minutes. I began to view it as being like a spiritual transfusion. The power of the Holy Spirit was coursing through every nerve, sinew, muscle and organ of my body. It was setting me on fire with the power of God. (p.11).
He then explained the shaking in my body. “Your body shakes for a long time because you need power for this work. I want you to expect many surprises.” (p.17).
Shaking equals power in Choo’s world and few charismatic extremists would argue that point with her. The problem with these statements is that there is not one shred of biblical proof to backup such a claim. Everything in her book is based on her own subjective pseudo-spiritual experience. Choo does not make a strong appeal to the scriptures. Instead she continually points to herself as being Jesus’ “special daughter.”
“I know you do not know many things, but I see that you are pure-hearted. I know that you believe everything about Me. I’ve seen your obedience, and I know you fear My words. (p.80).
Because of her high degree of sanctification and her unwavering belief concerning everything about Himself He chooses her for this great end-time work.
“You are living your life completely for Me. Your heart has willingly given up all worldly things for Me. I now know that nothing brings satisfaction to you more than being in My presence. (p.84).
Choo has become totally heavenly-minded. She has reached sinless perfection because one would have to be totally sinless to live his or her life completely for Christ, without any thought of self. She has reached a level of perfection that even surpasses the Apostle Paul who said that he had not obtained (read Phil. 3:12) perfection and was still striving to reach it.
“Whoever permits Me to control their life will be blessed. These are My obedient children. You are My special child.” (p.93).
Choo’s life is blessed because she is one of the obedient children, which makes her special.
“Daughter, you are special to Me…I choose My children who are pure and obedient — those who put Me first in their lives. (p.107).
She gets confused here because she stated earlier that the Lord had told her He had chosen her for this work before the foundation of the world. Yet now her Jesus reveals to her that He choose His children based on their purity of heart and obedience, people who put Jesus first in their lives. It is by our works, whether of personal sanctification or obedience to the law and putting Jesus first. (which in and of itself is fine) that determines the Lord choosing us or not.
If you were not such a special daughter, I could not bring you to heaven to show you all the things you have seen. (p.11).
Obviously Thomas is such a special daughter because if she was not then Jesus could not have brought her to heaven and shown her all these wonders. The inescapable inference is that the vast majority of Christians are not special to the Lord because He has not given them this foretaste of heaven. Choo is special, you and I are not.
…You are very special to Me. You must believe this. I had to choose the right daughter for this important work, and you are the one I’ve chosen. (p. 111).
I am not a psychologist, but it really seems that Choo suffers from delusion of grandeur because the quotes from Jesus deal with how special she is versus revealing unknown truth to the church. Choo is the right daughter for this work, she is the personally chosen one!
“This is one of the reasons I love you so much, My daughter.” (p.115).
“My daughter, I really enjoy being with you.” (p.125).
“You have beautiful hair.” (p. 125).
“You are beautiful, My daughter.” (p.125).
“Don’t be shy, My daughter,” the Lord counseled. The He lifted my face… (p.125).
Choo and Jesus are on a deserted beach and she is dancing and singing in front of the apparition. One of the reasons Jesus loves her is because of her yielded spirit and devotion, so now we know that Christ’s love is not unconditional, there are reasons why He loves us. Here again I believe we read about her deeply held insecurities because Jesus tells her how much He enjoys being with her, how beautiful her hair is, how beautiful she is! This specific encounter is one of the most sensual and frankly, disgusting of the entire book.
“ I will bring many of My children to the Kingdom, but not every one will live in mansions like the one that had your name on the door. These mansions are for very special children.” (P.138).
There are 2 classes of Christians in heaven according to Choo’s Jesus. The lower wattage believers will not inherit palaces like Choo’s with her own name in gold on a nameplate on the door. These palaces are reserved for the, you guessed it, the very special children (more on the 2 classes a bit later on).
“I didn’t show you the kingdom and the pit of hell to bring you home now. I showed you all those things so you will help save the lost and let everyone know what it takes to enter the kingdom. (p.152).
After seeing her mansion and all the glories of heaven she does not want to go back to earth. Yet her Jesus tells her that He has shown her these things so Choo can help save the lost. What is more she is to let everyone know what it takes (WORKS) to enter the kingdom. Choo has a role in the redemption of the lost and is appointed to tell everyone what it takes to get to heaven. The problem is she does not tell anyone in the book exactly “what it takes.” She surely does not mention that salvation is the gift of God, or that what it takes is the work of Jesus Christ on our behalf. Nor does she point out that salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone according to the Scriptures alone.
“My daughter, you are an End-Times prophetess.” The Lord told me, “and You are living proof of My Word and My prophecies. (p. 168).
Towards the end of the book we see her role in the Church revealed. She is an end-time prophetess (she told us she was special). She is living proof of the Word and His prophecies! The Bible is not enough “proof”…
“But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.” (John 20:31).
The fact that the Holy Spirit bearing witness with our spirits that we are children of God is also insufficient proof (see Rom. 8:16). Nope, we need living proof in the form of sister Choo to believe God’s Word.
“He took me to His throne and directed me to sit on a chair next to Him. This was the first time the Lord seated me next to Himself.” (p. 61).
While in heaven she entered into the throne room which is filled with the O.T. prophets and N.T. authors and directed by Jesus to sit next to Him on the throne! The mother of James and John must have really been livid upon finally discovering who the Father was granting the right to sit at Jesus’ right hand. Remember she tired to wheedle her boys into the right and left hand seats in the Kingdom (see Matt. 20:21). Sorry sister, very special Choo is seated next to Jesus not James or John.
There can be no doubt in the readers mind how special Choo Thomas is. It makes sense when you realize how important the work she has been given to do is according to God’s plan for the end-times. His great work for her is to complete the canon of Scripture.
Choo’s Book Is Divinely Authoritative
Choo told us she was special, so special in fact that what she has written for us are the exact words of Jesus Christ. If language means anything, then the revelations in Choo’s book are on the same level as the Holy Bible; in fact, we should cut out the pages and tape them into our Bibles. Keep in mind according to this woman, Jesus appears to her and directly tells her to remember and write down His exact words. If that does not mean her book is to be treated as divine revelation than I do not understand the concept at all. Here are only a few of the statements from her book which prove my point:
“I am your Lord, My daughter. I want you to hear and remember everything I tell you. When you write it down, use My exact words. You are sleepy, but do not miss any of the words I tell you. I will be visiting you many times in the future because I have important work for you to do. You are the child I am going to use to do this work for Me, so be prepared.” (p. 11).
Then He reiterated something He had commanded me to do several times before: Write down everything I show you and tell you. (p.21).
The Lord continued: I want you to remember everything I tell you and show you. Make sure you write everything down. I will make sure that everyone understands all the things I show and tell you. (p.28).
“I do not want you to miss anything I show or tell you,” He instructed. “Nothing more; nothing less. Everything has to be exactly as I reveal it to you.” (p.36).
“My daughter you have much work to do. I want you to write a book. This is an important book for the last days, and it will be translated into many languages. I chose you for this work before you were born, and this is why My Holy Spirit is always shaking your body—to pour My power into you. (p.47).
You do not need to know how to write the book. Just write down what I show you and tell you… (p.70).
“Now you know why, My daughter. I want you to concentrate on the book, with no interruptions. This book is very important to Me, and it will be a special blessing for My children. Whatever you do, I want you to talk to Me first. Everything about this book has to be My will. (p.79).
“Some people will not believe you, but you don’t need to worry about that. My daughter, I am simply using you for this book. It is My book and I will take care of it.” (p.80).
“Because you are what you are, I chose you for this work…This is My book and My responsibility… I want you to be happy because you are My special daughter. (p.80).
This book will help deliver many people who are in spiritual darkness…I notice that you have never been deliberately disobedient since you gave your heart to Me, an you always put Me first in your life. This is why I chose you as My special daughter and friend. (p.92).
Write this down, Choo Nam. I want all My children to know what awaits them in heaven. I know many of My children have questions about heaven. Some of them wonder if there will be food to eat in heaven. (p.100).
Why do you think I chose prophets to work for Me on earth? Like you, I’ve sent them in order to do My work. Without prophets, I would not have any way of communicating my desire to My children. Therefore, My daughter, do not miss writing about anything I show or tell you. Tell it all. It is because you are such an obedient daughter that I am able to use you. (p.102).
“I want My children to read this book, because so many of them have doubts about heaven. I want them to believe there is a heaven and to live pure and obedient lives so they can come into My kingdom. This book is about all My words and the Kingdom I have prepared for whoever wants to come. Everything is already prepared. This book must be written by a Spirit-filled person. My daughter, if you were not under the special power of my Holy Spirit, I could never use you for this work. (p.116).
I want you to write down exactly what I show you and tell you. Nothing more and nothing less. After this is done, you will receive special gifts to serve Me, and you will be a blessing to My people. I will also bless you more than you want. (p.120).
I want all of My children to come to My kingdom. Whoever reads this book, I want them to believe and realize how they have to live in the world in order to enter the kingdom. (p.131).
From these 15 citations (there are more in the book) it should be obvious to the reader that this book is no ordinary book. Choo, although very special to Jesus, was simply the vehicle through which the “Lord” gave the Church and world new insights. Her book is so powerful that God will use it to deliver people out of spiritual darkness and through its revelations teach people how to live in order to enter the Kingdom of God. According to her Jesus, everything in the book, including its title (p.120), comes directly from the revealed will of God. At no point does Choo’s Jesus direct her or her readers to read the Bible daily, or to study and show themselves approved of God (2 Tim. 2:15). This entity makes no statements regarding the centrality of the Bible; He does make quite a few comments about how important His book through her is!
Hitherto Unknown Heavenly Revelations – aka The Gospel According to Choo
Since you now understand the divine weight of the words in His book, it behooves us to look into the “deep’ insights Choo’s Jesus is sharing with the Church and World. According to Mrs. Thomas, our Lord took her to heaven on 17 occasions. Prior to each “lift-off” the paranormal pattern is as follows: It is early in the morning, between 1:00 and 3:00 AM. Choo’s body goes into the uncontrollable spasms and she sweats profusely. This shaking goes on from a half and hour to an hour. She refers to the cause of this experience using a variety of adjectives based on the root word “anointing.” Here are a few examples: “the anointing of the Lord’s presence,” (p.9), “the intense heat of His anointing,” (p.19), “The anointing was heavy upon me,” (p.59), “a special anointing,” (p.59), “by the anointing of heat,” (p.74), “I was praying intensely under a great anointing from the Holy Spirit,” (p.84), “I cried under the precious anointing,” (p.87), “I plan to give you a special anointing,” (p.121), “a very special anointing,” (p.121), “then the hot anointing and groaning began,” (p.137).
Then she hears a voice speaking to her and she sees the apparition. At this point she has an out-of-body experience where this being first takes her to a secluded beach on earth (location unknown), where they chat for awhile. While out of her physical body it reacts to everything she sees and experiences in her transformed spirit body. If she dances spiritually, then her body on the bed dances too, etc. From the beach they then travel to heaven. I will not detail all 17 trips, but I will cite the “new” information from her trips.
The Master again took me into a huge tunnel. Again—unlike most tunnels—it was bright and shiny…I reasoned this must be the tunnel that people who have near-death experiences frequently describe as the passageway from this life to the next. (p.24).
Unlike Duplantis who got a cable car ride to heaven, Choo goes through a bright tunnel and pops out on the other side in heaven. She has no Scripture to equate her experience to, so she relies on the subjective alleged near-death experiences of others for validation.
Thomas and her apparition walk along a winding road, passing gorgeous flowers until they come to a white palace with beautiful stained glass windows. They walk in and she sees — The Lord’s glistening golden throne stood atop a raised, oval shaped platform. Beams of radiant glory streamed from the center of the room where this platform was located. I was directed by an angel to a little room on the side, and I was surprised to discover a powder room there. A full-length mirror covered the entire wall on the left side of this room, and many beautiful velvet chairs were neatly arranged in front of the mirror…The being opened a large, walk-in closet that contained many robes, gowns and crowns…After I was dressed, the angel escorted me back to the main room. The Lord was waiting for me. I noticed that He was wearing a gown and crown like mine. (p26).
Good news ladies there are powder rooms in heaven! Every time Choo gets ushered off to heaven she and her Jesus must first change into different robes than their normal spirit-body robes. Note that Jesus wears a crown and robe like Choo’s, as opposed to her being clothed in the robes of His righteousness, no Jesus is dressed like Choo.
What is fairly unique to Choo’s delusion is that she does not see many others in heaven, no multitudes, no throngs of joyous saints praising their Lord. She does mention briefly meeting Abraham, but basically her report is about her, she is the center of attention.
After walking over the beautiful bridge, the Lord led me to a place where babies and infants—many of whom looked as if they had just been born—were kept. It was a huge room, like a warehouse, and wasn’t fancy or pretty. It was filled with babies who were naked and lying close to one another…”There are the babies of mothers who did not want them.” (p.38).
Something doesn’t make sense, Duplantis saw babies and little children being taught by angels….Thomas on the other hand sees them laying in a drab building, naked with no one attending them. They are the aborted babies, whose mothers can have them back if they get saved. Robert LIARdon saw a warehouse in his trip to heaven, but his was filled with human body parts, not babies. Whose vision can we trust? After all, the Bible is silent about what happens to infants and none of the biblical accounts of heaven make mention of them.
The Lord took me to a barren site outside the gate of the Kingdom and showed me many people wearing sand colored robes were in this region, standing very close together, and I noticed that they looked forlorn and lonely even though they were in the midst of so many others. (p.39). I noticed multitudes of people who were wearing sand-colored robes roaming aimlessly in the vicinity of the pit’s yawning mouth. Their heads were hanging low, and they looked very dejected and hopeless. Who are these people, Lord? I asked. “They are disobedient Christians.” How long will they have to stay in this barren, lifeless place? “Forever, My daughter. The only ones who will enter My kingdom are the pure of heart—My obedient children.” (P.46).
He took me to another high mountain from which I could look down into another endless valley here a multitude of people dressed in grey-colored robes were wandering about in an apparent mood of dejection. Their robes reminded me of the gowns worn by hospital patients. The people looked weak and lost, and their grey faces matched the color of the robes they were wearing…This place was mostly men with just a few women. Who are these people Lord? “They are sinful Christians.” What is going to happen to them? I wondered aloud. “Most of them will go to the lake of fire after the judgment.” (p.58).
At least in this detail Choo stays the course with many of the other heavenly delusions in print. We can expect there to be 2 classes of people in heaven. Duplantis saw people in different colored robes, denoting their rank in heaven. Choo sees a class of Christians, some are disobedient and others are sinful. Her Jesus says some of these sinful Christians will end up in the lake of fire. Why not all of them? What did some of these sinful saints do in order to escape the fire? Choo attempts to back up her cockeyed notion by citing 2 Cor. 5:10 concerning the judgment seat. According to her revelation only those who attain sinless perfection in his life will be numbered among the justified in heaven. Again, her focus is on our works and our strivings as opposed to the work Jesus Christ did for us on the cross. If these are the lower class of Christian who are the “high class” super saints?
…I noticed many adults and children who were wearing white gowns, and some of them were wearing crowns. They were simply standing there with very happy looks on their faces. (p.40). As I turned in another direction, I noticed a beautiful river. Along the river was a rock wall, and magnificent dwellings were situated on the left side of the river. Many of these homes looked like castles where only the very wealthy might live. The Lord said, “They are houses for My special children.” (p.44).
These folks have worked really hard and because they are extra special to Jesus (no doubt because of their works), He has made castles for them. As we know all too well by now, Choo is “special” to this being so it only stands to reason that she should get to see her mansion in glory:
We approached one of the castles, and the Lord opened the door for me to enter…The walls were constructed of multicolored precious gems that glistened in a magical way…The Lord rested on a chair as I went up the winding staircase that was more massive and grand than the one shown in Gone With the Wind’s Tara plantation…I noticed that the carpeting was a plush white. I entered a huge powder room that had a very large, sparkling mirrors everywhere. They reflected the brightness of the room (p.55)…I was awestruck by the sparking stone walls that lined the corridor of my mansion. I loved the red-and-cream-colored carpet with its round pattern. The red velvet chairs—so classic and sophisticated—were like the ones I had always wanted in my home. The red draperies were the finest I’d ever seen…The bedroom was carpeted in pure white, and I noticed that the headboard of the bed was silver with blue stones embedded…The mirror on the dresser also had blue stones…The bathroom had a silver bathtub that was decorated with precious jewels of every color. (p.64).
Everybody who gets a pre-death trip to heaven gets to see their “mansion.” This is one problem with taking the Kings James version of the Bible at face value without doing a little grammatical digging. Robertson’s Word Pictures of the New Testament says the following about John 14:2:
John 14:2 – Mansions (monai). Old word from menw, to abide, abiding places, in N.T. only here and verse 23. There are many resting-places in the Father’s house (oikia). Christ’s picture of heaven here is the most precious one that we possess. It is our heavenly home with the Father and with Jesus. If it were not so of the verb (Mark 2:21; Re 2:5,16; Joh 14:11). Here a suppressed condition of the second class (determined as unfulfilled) as the conclusion shows. I would have told you (ejpon an u `min). Regular construction for this apodosis (an and aorist-second active–indicative). For I go (o`ti poreuomai). Reason for the consolation given, futuristic present middle indicative, and explanation of his words in 13:33 that puzzled Peter so (13:36f). To prepare a place for you (e `times topon u `min). First aoist active infinitive of purpose of e `toimazw, to make ready, old verb from e `toimoj. Here only in John, but in Mr 10:40 (Mt. 20:23). It was customary to send one forward for such a purpose (Nu 10:33). So Jesus had sent Peter and John to make ready (this very verb) for the Passover meal (Mr 14:12; Mt 26:17). Jesus is thus our Forerunner (prodromoj) in heaven (Heb 6:20).
These text says nothing about each saint having their own mansion. Her description sounds more like the TBN television set than something created by God! Also, think a moment, why will we need beds in heaven? Will we get tired of praising the Lord? There is no day or night there; the Christ himself is the light throughout heaven (Rev. 21:23). We will be in eternity, so time as we know it will not pass. We will be glorified and like Christ, so we will not get tired and need a “nap.” Choo is fixated on mirrors and powder rooms in her book. She does not describe a heavenly commode, but I assume there must be some since there are heavenly bathtubs (I wonder where the dirt will come from that needs to be cleansed off our bodies?). Thomas also noted a dresser in her bedroom, I guess that is to hold her gowns, maybe the saints “dress” for dinner. Furthermore, the obedient/special children on God will also possess vacation homes on the beach (p.102). When you get tired of all the hubbub in the New Jerusalem just pack up the kids in your chariot and go down to your beachfront vacation mansion for a little R&R!
Good news for pet owners! Hot off the pages of the Gospel according to Choo: We hiked out of the garden, along a narrow, winding road that led to a mountain vista overlooking a lush green valley. I could see animals of all sorts galloping and playing among the trees. I particularly noticed a spectacular deer that looked so strong and healthy. I noticed that these animals, which would usually be considered wild, were playful with one another. (p44)…It is reassuring to know that animals will live with us in paradise. So many people wonder if their pets will be in heaven…where people and animals alike will never experience pain, hardship, death or suffering ever again. After our visit to the animal paradise, the Lord and I went back to the waterside…(p55).
Again, this is information that the Bible does not detail for us. The book of the Revelation does not mention any animals, there may or may not be animals in heaven, does it really matter? Thomas tells her readers that no animals will ever experience pain or death. Well, that is, except for fish!
Good news for Fishermen! According to the revelation of Thomas we shall both catch and eat fish in heaven.
We descended the hillside and walked to the water where we saw all kinds of fish swimming in the river…It amused me to see fish in heaven, and I began to laugh…I reached down and grabbed a red, striped fish and lifted it out of the water. I was laughing so uncontrollably, so the fish jumped out of my hands and swam to safety…He began to participate in the action with me by reaching down and grabbing a large fish…It was so good to see the Lord enjoying the moment with me (p.88-89).
As we walked over it, I looked down and saw that the stream was filled with many different kinds of fish. What are the fish for? I asked. “This is food for the kingdom.” the Lord replied. It made me happy to know that we willl be eating fruit and fish in heaven. The fact that these are the primary foods of the kingdom suggests we should be eating more of them on earth. (p.97). …by wading into the water and grabbing a large, flat, white fish. It was about the size of my two hands together. I enjoyed watching the Lord do this for me, and I found the scene to be very amusing…Next, I walked with Him beyond the rocks, where I noticed many large cooking areas that had silver-colored ovens built into the rocks. Atop the oven were cooking grilles with oval-shaped plates and silver forks. The Lord simply pushed a button on the side of one oven and a fire began. He then assumed the role of a cook, right in front of me. He grilled the fish until both sides of it were brown. He seemed to be so happy doing this for me…When we finished eating, He took my plate and fork and put them into a silver container…It wasn’t because I ate the fish; it was because my Lord and Savior cooked the fish and we ate it together. (p.98).
PETA will not be happy to learn that Jesus is not a “vegan.” However, we have been given important information about our future diet in heaven, fruit and fish, ergo we are to be eating much more of these on earth now (I suppose we should walk around in gowns too). I suppose eating all this fruit and fish necessitate the need for “powder rooms” in glory.
I stated earlier in this article that it is my belief that Choo is demonically possessed, certainly under the control of a strong demonic delusion. Her own account bears witness to my belief:
“During the night of February 12, my body shook more violently then it ever had. I was almost hurled form the bed because it was so forceful. I tried to grab the sheets to steady myself, but I couldn’t because I had no control over my body. The shaking was unremittingly forceful, and I grew afraid. (p.17).
I began singing in the spirit. The songs come forth, and I have no control over them when I am with the Lord. (p119).
The unusual voice that accompanies the supernatural visions the Lord gives me came forth. (p.123).
The supernatural voice that accompanies the visions He imparts to me came forth, and I saw the cover of Heaven Is So Real. (p.128).
“After everything is done, I want you to build My church.” This statement called forth the voice that always accompanies the supernatural visions the Lord gives me. (p.132).
The vision-voice came forth from my spirit. It seemed to take control of me for a long time (p.134).
My vision-voice came forth as it usually does in preparation for a supernatural vision from the Lord (p.138,139).
By this time I was singing loudly, and my hands were moving around like fists swinging at a punching bag…My whole body was jumping up and down because of the anointing and the shaking. I felt as if I were flying…The excited movement of my body and my vision-voice were so loud that I’m sure the whole house could hear me. (p.139).
Since January 1996 the anointing has been so strong that I cannot even control the shaking and other physical manifestations…For example, as off this writing, I cannot even enter the room where Roger works on the computer because the Holy Spirit’s presence is so strong there…my body begins to jump for joy. This is a physical response that comes from the Lord, and I have no control over it. (p148).
During the periods of shaking I would read my Bible and pray. Then as I would get into bed, my body would undergo tremendous and violent shaking for five or ten minutes. In the process my stomach would tighten, and I would experience spasms in the abdominal region. All of this happens each evening before the Lord’s visit to my room…During these marvelous visits, the Lord speaks directly and personally to me. Then He began to preparatory work in my body. When this happens, I have no control over my body for a period of two to four hours. (p158).
It isn’t until the reader is almost half way through the book that Choo’s mentions that prior to the appearance of the apparition she begins to speak in an “unusual” vision-voice. This is not her usual voice, but something that comes upon her or from within her which signify the beginning of her visions. She admits time after time throughout the book that when this voice speaks through her she has no control over it. When her body shakes or she jumps up and down, again she has no control over it. During the duration of visit by her spirit-guide she is physically out of control. This simply is not the work of the Holy Spirit, it is not indicative of His fruit in our lives.
Galatians 5:22-24 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires.
1 Corinthians 14:32 The spirit of prophets are subject to the control of prophets.
Choo tells us that she is an end-time prophetess, why can’t she control her own spirit? Where is the self-control in her devotional life? By simple definition, when one is possessed then that individual is incapable of independent action apart from the controlling entity. Choo tells us she has no control during these times.
During the next portion of her book, Thomas goes on to reveal to the readers how “anointed” she is and exactly what the Lord did to her physically in what she refers to as her “body work.” “Each time before the preparatory work begins the Lord talks to me about my future. Then the body work commences…” (p.159). Sound creepy? Choo takes us to the “outer limits” and beyond in the next chapters:
The work involved with preparing my body for the ministry God has called me to do included my face, my hands, my head, my feet and my back. The Lord used my hands to touch every part of my body from my head to the bottom of my feet over and over again…The Holy Spirit directed me in all of this. I don’t really have control of my hands, or any part of my body, when the Holy Spirit is doing His anointed work on me and with me…On several of the nights the Lord poured oil upon me. This precious oil was in oval vessels that looked like small perfume bottles. The bottles were of many different colors. He would pour the oil upon me from head to toes, and on my back as well…I have found that He poured a total of eight-five bottles of anointing oil upon me…Before being bathed in the anointing oil each time an unusual vision-song would come forth. (p.160).
As He poured the anointing oil on my body, I would shake, jerk, perspire and become intently hot…Some nights, while the Lord would be working with my body and hand movements, my entire physical being would become black and cold… There were other occasions when my entire body would become invisible as the Lord was doing His preparatory work with me…During some sessions the Lord would both lift my body and lower it…Many times He would raise and lower my body forty-none times a night (p.162).
Thomas goes on and on with more of the above. My brothers and sisters what she is describing has absolutely no relationship to the Bible whatsoever. She is describing perfectly what happens to an individual who has undergone what the Hindus call “Shaktipat initiation.” Those who practice Kundalini yoga (translated the serpent power) undergo what they term as an unlocking of their charkas. Charkas are alleged to be energy centers within the human body. The lowest charkas is at the base of the spine and is said to have the form of a coiled serpent (the Kundalini). There are 7 charkas, stopping at the top of the head. Kundalini yoga is considered to be one of the most dangerous forms of yoga and the most demonic gurus of our day have all practiced and taught it, i.e. Bhagwn Shree Rajneesh, Swami Muktananda, Sai Baba to name just a few to deceive multitudes in our own nation. When the serpent power is released in the body, the body goes into spontaneous “kriyas”:
Kriyas, literally “activities”, are spontaneous movements that occur after Kundalini awakening. These include bodily activities such as trembling, shaking, and spontaneous yoga postures; vocal activities such as yelling, or spontaneous chanting and mental activities such as visions. These Kriyas eliminate the blocks to kundalini rising within the spine or central channel.
” Then came the most wild of the kriyas. They continued day and night, but were most vigorous when I was lying down at rest. I hardly slept at all during this period. My body would jerk around in radical, spasmodic movements. These often involved very specific muscle groups, such as those in my feet, hands, stomach, back and so forth… then my arms would fly up and down in similar kind of rapid and rhythmic motion. My legs would kick up and down in the same way. These movements were hard and martial, as if I were practicing military marching while lying in bed… The arm movements were becoming more sinuous and complex. As these arm motions became more fast and furious, I went to a full length mirror to witness what was happening. All at once I had the most eerie feeling, as if my body was ‘remembering’ something. My hips, knees and legs began to sway and undulate as the intricate arm motions choreographed. I stared at the mirror in awe…My body was performing some kind of exotic dance. Then my arms came forward and my hands met, palms pressed together in a prayer-like pose, and drew up to the centre of my chest. A force pulled me over into a bow and held me there an instant. Then my knees buckled, and I found myself kneeling prostrate on the floor. The thought hit me; ‘I’m worshipping something, but worshipping what? Then I knew; I had just performed a sacred temple dance.
Once these “blocks” within the body are removed, then the serpent power can flow throughout the person and from them to others! This is precisely what Mrs. Thomas is undergoing and she has mistakenly attributed it to the work of the Holy Spirit! Choo, like the woman in the quote, mentions that her hands began to move at such a rapid rate they were almost a blur at times. She spends a great deal of time relating to the readers how she privately “dances” before the Lord on the beach. At least the woman in the above citation had the wherewithal to ask what she was worshipping? Choo never asks, just knows all of these experiences are of the Lord and by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Why on earth (or heaven) would the Lord have to work on her physical body in order to prepare her for ministry? No one else in the entire Bible has had to undergo such experiences, frankly, no orthodox Christian since the Apostles have had to undergo any such nonsense.
It was as if He were unlocking the potential within my body…He would cause my body to rise and kneel before Him in intervals of seven, over and over again…Thirty-three different time He “unlocked” the various parts of my body that needed His work of preparation. When He unlocked my hands, for instance, they shook so hard that I grew frightened…Each part of my body had a special reaction to the unlocking work…Each time the Lord pours the anointing oil on me or unlocks the locks of my body, my physical being responds with violent shaking, jerking, intense heat, groans and supernatural power that causes my body to be lifted up (p.165).
Thomas says her body literally levitates, at times becomes invisible, other times turns black and cold. She experiences intense heat and each part of her body (charka?) responds differently as it is unlocked, which is exactly what everything written about kundalini awakenings denotes.
She reports so many other bizarre occurrences during the 3 years of her spiritual transformation that I cannot describe them all. What is to me most disturbing is that close to half a million professing Christians have purchased her book! What shocks me is that Strang Communications, owners of Creation House, would deign to publish a book that is so completely off the charts biblically. From start to finish her novel is fill with unsupported statements and out rightly demonic manifestations. Why didn’t the Strang Editors pick up on this? Why didn’t they refuse to print her book and point Thomas to the Bible and the Jesus of the Bible, who sees all His children as special?
This book and its growing popularity prove to me that we are surely living in dark times. When people can give this balderdash any credence at all is beyond the scope of even my warped imagination. Her book does alert me, and now I hope you as well, to the desperate need that the Body of Christ has for Apologetic ministries. When hundreds of thousands of people can be deceived by such patently obvious fabrications we know that we have got a real battle for God’s truth on our hands. Please pray for Mrs. Thomas and ask God to grant repentance to Strang publications for being a tool in Satan’s hands to mislead multitudes. ♦
March 15, 2011
I was made aware of another false teacher after my husband came in from church yesterday. After doing a search on the man, this is what I found. I am sickened of the apostacy running rampant within my city. It appears to be everywhere in one way or the other. I will have more to say on the matter later:
Last Saturday night some folks from my congregation and myself went to a meeting that promoted itself as a healing / prophetic gathering. It was lead by a man whose name is Kevin Dedmon. The event took place at New Dimension Church in Providence RI. The reason we went is because one of our members was afflicted by a stroke and they wanted to go in hopes that God would heal them. We went to support our sister. I will say that I am very skeptical of such meetings as most of them turn out to be run by charlatans and scam artists. I was not disappointed this time. That is not to say that I do not believe that God can heal. It is not God who makes me skeptical it is men. Let me emphasize I believe that God heals today. I am however tired of the mockery that men make out of the gifts of God. Call me presumptuous but I took it upon myself after prayer, consulting the word, my elders and some of the folks who also came to write a letter to the Pastor of the church that hosted this false prophet. Below is the letter I wrote and also the warning I gave him from the scripture. Also included is his response to me. I know that this is not comfortable for some to read but when a false prophet arises what should be the response of the believers? We should expose them so that others will not fall prey to them, hence this letter. We take the scriptures very seriously and in them we are admonished to warn those who stray from the truth,
My first note to the Pastor.
This is Messianic Rabbi Henry M. Morse. I was at your Saturday evening service with Kevin Dedmon. I came and brought some of the folks from my congregation. The woman in the wheel chair was with us as well. I am writing this note to you out of grave concern with what I saw there that night. I came with an open mind as I am also of the belief that God still does miracles today. But that night’s service was far from what I had hoped for or expected. Please indulge me a few minutes of your time to explain. My concerns are this. Mr. Dedmon made a mock of the word of God through his preaching and his antics. My first concern was his eisegesis of the word of God. He spoke from the passage in Ezekiel 47 and tried to make the point that this passage was in reference to the drinking in and leeking out of the spirit in our lives. That the water represented the spirit moving on us in revival. Now while this is true that God wants to move in us and revive us, this passage has nothing to do with that topic. He stopped at verse 12. Verse 13 gives us the context of the chapter. There is no need for interpretation it is all right there. This passage has to do with the restoration of Israel in the end days only. Chapter 48 continues in that theme. Needless to say your speaker was proof-texting to the max. I was very disturbed by the way he turned the entire service into a third rate comedy show. This showed contempt for the spirit of God. I have no problem with joy in the Lord but there is no Biblical mandate for the preaching of the word to be done so flippantly and out of context.Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying falsehood in My name I have neither sent them nor commanded them nor spoken to them; they are prophesying to you a false vision, divination, futility and the deception of their own minds.
This has absolutely nothing to do with methods in ministry. The issue is far greater. We are talking about a false prophet in your midst. It is up to you whether you want to deal with the issues I addressed. But don’t think I am talking about methodology. I will address the issue with my congregation and those who went to your meeting. It is as I expected that you would obfuscate from the issue and not deal with it. My heart grieves for the body of Messiah in Providence as they are deceived by false teaching.
Praying for your eyes to be open
I am so glad our methods of ministry and interpretation of scripture don’t have to be the same in order for us to be united by the foundational faith that Christ died so we may live. Every blessing to you.
Pastor Troy Goode
One of the folks from my congregation, the woman in the wheel chair came up to him for prayer. Her husband practically had to push the wheel chair in his face before he acknowledged her. When he did pray for her and nothing happened he dismissed her and told her to come back in a few minutes. When she did come back he ended the service as he saw her being wheeled down the isle. Again, her husband brought her to his sales table and sought prayer again. He, for the third time dismissed her with his cliche and verbiage “I release healing on you”. and then moved on to the next item which was to sell books.
Where was his faith at that time to tarry in prayer and see a creative miracle from the Lord? I am sorry to say brother that what you brought to Providence was a false prophet. He made mention that Providence was going to be the place where revival would break forth into our country, I think he also said the world also. If this were so then why is it not stated in scripture. That was a huge statement of great earth shaking dimension. This is dangerous to presume that God has declared things of such a grandiose nature that are not found in the scripture. If a prophet says thus saith the Lord he better make sure that God said that. It seemed as if he thought he was the one who was going to usher in revival just because he said it.
We don’t do anything on our own accord. I take the gift of prophecy very serious just as the word of God does. It is not to be made a mockery of through hyjincks and fast talk.
January 6, 2011
My comments in green
Article below by Brannon S. Howse
I tried to warn Americans in 2010 that I believe Glenn Beck is guilty of performing a bait and switch on millions of Americans. Beck went from being a TV and radio talk show host that discussed public policy, history, and current news to preaching the same Universalism and New Age theology that Oprah Winfrey has being been preaching for years. In fact, On Saturday, January 1, 2011, Oprah launched her New Age programming for the year with the Oprah Winfrey Network. Oprah drew more than 1 million viewers for its first night on the air.
Glenn Beck has clearly become the Oprah Winfrey of the right and many Christian authors and pastors are eager to appear on his radio and television program despite his heresy because, like Oprah, Beck has taken little known authors and made them a lot of money by promoting their books.
Many Christians continue to defend Beck despite the fact he is becoming more and more blatant in his New Age preaching. I expect Beck will continue to gather around him a huge audience that is looking for a spiritual experience that tickles the ears.
On his TV program on January 4, 2011 Glenn unveiled what he calls the “E4 Experiences” that he will be promoting for 2011. Part of the theme he will be promoting is nothing short of New Age heresy and blasphemy. Beck proclaimed:
Over the next 12 months, all Mercury divisions, radio, television, books, digital and stage will focus on what I call The E4 Solution. The four Es consist of: Enlightenment, Education, Empowerment and Entrepreneurship. We will challenge ourselves and those who choose to chart this course with us, to find what we as individuals really believe, challenge what we think we know and dig deep to find out what we are each capable of.
The “E4 Experiences” include Enlightenment, Education, Empowerment and Entrepreneurship. The two that are the most disturbing were described by Beck on a giant poster that included the following wording. Enlightenment: God – “I AM That I Am” Miracles, faith and Divine Providence. Empowerment: Yes I AM! Yes I Can!
I have noticed this theme taking place in advertisements on TV. Companies endorsing their prodects using the words, “I am.” This is an anti-christ spirit setting itself up among us. It is one of esteeming self over God. Bride of Christ, there is only One “I AM.” His name is God, Jehova, Jesus, Lamb of God, King of Kings and Lord of Lords, Yeshua — the great and awesome I AM.
On the January 4 program Beck preached:
I choose to ReFound this amazing nation by rediscovering within myself, and my own circle of influence, the principles and ethics that defined American exceptionalism.
So Glenn thinks the answers for America’s spiritual, moral, political, economic, and cultural problems can be found by “rediscovering within myself” some kind of New Age enlightenment or that man is really the “I AM”?
I AM is a title that is to be reserved for God Himself. In Exodus 3:13 God told Moses that when the people of Israel ask for My name tell them, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” In John 8:58 we read, “Jesus said to them, ‘Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.’”
I personally prefer the King James version which reads like this: And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM — Exodus 3:14 — There is a big difference between the words WHAT and THAT.
Oprah has promoted the “I AM” theme when she pushed the book The Secret that teaches the law of attraction.
In Luke 21:7-8, (And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.)
Jesus foretold that when people say they are god by using the title “I AM” it is a sign that we are living in the end times. We are also told to run away from the people saying “I AM”. Many of our nation’s pastor’s and Christian leaders did not run from Glenn Beck but ran to join him in a spiritual service and enterprise.
It is going to be an interesting 2011 and we will be watching and writing on the religious trends that will continue to reveal that a one world religion based on pagan spirituality is being accepted on both the right and the left.
January 4, 2011
Apostacy, The Great Falling Away, Choo Thomas, False "Gospels", False Jesus, False Prophets, False Signs and Wonders, False Teachers Apostacy/The Great Falling Away, False Jesus, False Prophets, False Signs and Wonders, False Teachers 2 Comments
Kudos to the author of the following article gotten here:
Emphasis and green is mine
We are only going to look at a few things in this book for now.
1 John 4:1 tells us, “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”
If we are to take Choo Thomas’s word that this book is really written by Jesus, thru her, then we can then glue it to the back of our Holy Bible and make another book of our Holy Scriptures. Satan will appear as an angel of light and impersonate the real Christ Jesus to receive glory due to the real Christ Jesus
The Jesus Choo Thomas is referring to in this book is an imposter -Satan himself! Why did Jesus not have his Apostle John to write about heaven like this in the book of Revelation? Christians are now supposed to believe that God has raised Choo Thomas up as he did his own Apostle’s? I guess Jesus did not accomplish everything he needed to do with them! This is dangerous and leaves a Christian open to be swayed by any false prophesy and teaching just because they say it is from God!
Choo believes this encounter is from Jesus because the spirit that spoke to her said he was Jesus -I am not President Bush or anyone else because I say I am! Satan or any demon is not Christ Jesus just because they say they are. Satan would be glad to take the Glory of this even under the name of the real Jesus! How can Choo give such a detailed description of heaven and angels? Because Satan and his demons where there and they saw first hand, heaven and the angels.
Note: This still does not mean she actually went to visit heaven. A lot of things can bring delusions of all sort; Drugs, sleeplessness, self-induced trances, Kundalini, etc. Sometimes it is just an out right lie.
Choo is taken into a hypnotic trance-like state and this enables demonic influence to communicate to her mind through images of heaven and angels as they know them to really be -since they have been there before they were kicked out! Thats how! Satan is an angel of light because he knows how to imitate the real light!
One reason Satan is good at imitating the light, is because he is such a good mocker.
Satan is a master deceiver. I know it all sounds good and people today are itching for a sign and revelation from God. Because of this itching some will fall for the most incredible deceptions. Choo herself has fallen for this great deception. I know it sounds right because she points to Jesus. Does Satan care if people point to Jesus if it is actually him behind the mask. No! He doesn’t care. If anyone comes to Christ from her book -then they came to the wrong Christ. The Christ people should come to is the Christ of the Holy Bible -Not Choo Thomas’s revelation from a false spirit god! This is why we are warned to “try the spirits” -how do we “try the spirits”? We line up what the spirit is saying against God’s Word.
Does God’s Word give an indication that even on the day of Pentecost that people were jerking and miracle dancing in some sort of ritual? No it does not! God will not imitate Satanic rituals! But Satan will try to imitate God with adding his demonic rituals in with it. This gives it a good sugar coating to entice people to believe it is of God. We can no more listen to the revelation of Choo Thomas over Joseph Smith of the Mormons. The teaching of Joseph Smith sounds good on the surface – So does the revelation of Choo Thomas! Her talent, or Satan’s talent, for adding God’s Holy Word to her revelation is very enticing for many Christian believers awaiting a new revelation from God.
Choo says that since 1996 that every waking hour is spent with Jesus. She says that her husband has been so understanding or their marriage would not have made it -is this God’s intention according to His Word?
To take a married woman and separate her unto Himself! Show a scripture for that!
And while you would be looking for a scripture for that look up one that would allow her to overtake the platform of her church despite what the pastor would have to say about it!
Also, why did Jesus not tell her His real birthday date? Rather than telling her on Christmas eve that it was his birthday! Does not Jesus realize that Christmas eve is not his real birthday?
Why does Jesus not emphasize the resurrection day? The biggest day of the Bible!
Are aborted babies really stored naked, side by side, in a warehouse building awaiting their saved mothers to come to heaven and raise them?
This is about as hoky as it gets!
I know many will say, “who is he to come against a beautiful sister in Christ”. First I am not coming against a beautiful sister in Christ – only against the false doctrine of her book! Trying (testing) the spirits to see whether they are of God (1 John 4:1) shows a clear picture that her “hypnotic trance vision journey” is far from truth. This is not anything less than a Anti-Christ Satanic spirit passing himself off as Jesus to Choo Thomas and anyone else willing to be lead astray from the truth of God’s Word by this so called new revelation from an imposter Jesus. I may only be a voice crying out in the wilderness of cyber world – but so be it!
No friend, you are not the only voice. I thank God for you! May many see your words and be turned back to truth.
Amen and Amen!
December 28, 2010
Cults, End Times Countdown, False "Gospels", False Churches, False Prophets, False Signs and Wonders, False Teachers, Jim Jones Cult, New Age, New Age Jesus, Occult Apostacy/The Great Falling Away, Cults, End Times, False Prophets, False Signs and Wonders, False Teachers, Occult 2 Comments
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, — 1 Timothy 4:1 –
“There are so many today in the New Age movement who are claiming to be the messiahs, claiming to be channeling the wisdom of the messiahs…”
“…the lies men will believe once they have rejected the truth.”
“One of the greatest deceptions occuring in our time, is happening in the name of Christianity, as people are embracing a form of Christianity based on extra-biblical experiences.”
“We see the rise of satanic worship.”
December 27, 2010
Let go of your idols. None of them, no not one, died on a cross and rose from the dead for you.
What did William Branham “really” teach and believe!
“Were identified with him in Acts 2. We’re identified with them, with the same baptism, same thing. All he was then, and all he is, all he was, and all he is, we are. That’s exactly.”
“Same thing by being a true Christian. You have to be identified with it. I preached with Moses and war-with Noah and warned the people of the oncoming judgment, to be a real Christian. I was with Moses at the burning bush; I saw the Pillar of Fire; I saw His glory. I was with Moses up there in the wilderness. To be a Christian, I have to be identified with everything God was, to be a Christian. I seen His glory; I heard His voice. Don’t try to explain it away from me now, ’cause I was there. I know what I’m talking about. I seen what happened. Yes, sir!”
“I was at the Red Sea when I seen the Spirit of God move down and part the water from one side, … through about a ninety foot sea. I seen the Spirit of God. I walked with Moses through that dry ground, across that Red Sea. I stood by Mount Sinai and seen the thunder and lightning falling. I eat manna with them out there. I drank from that Rock; I’m still doing it tonight. I was identified with the manna-eaters. I was identified with them that drunk from the rock.”
“I was with John the Baptist and before them critics. I seen the Spirit of God descending; I heard the voice of God say, “This is My beloved Son in Whom I’m pleased to dwell in.” Yes, sir! I sure was Identified with him. That’s exactly right.”
“I was with the 120 in the Upper Room. I was identified up there with them. Oh, 1-1 feel religious. Amen! I was identified there. I’m one of them. I was identified; I got the same experience they had. I was there when it happened, to be a true Christian.” (THE MIGHTY GOD UNVEILED BEFORE US p.27).
This is how far gone he was in his own revelations. He thought he was there throughout history, is this rational, is this Biblical, is this believable? Nowhere does the Bible teach this! Col.2:18 “Let no one cheat you out of your reward, taking delight in FALSE humility, and the worship, intruding in those things which he has seen, vainly puffed up by his carnal mind.”
Branham said the Church is built on “The Rock of Revelation” (Seven Church Ages, p. 13). Jesus taught that he was the sure foundation, there is no other Mt. 7:24 Paul said “The Rock is Christ” who was in the wilderness (I Cor.10:4). Peter says the foundation , Rock is Christ (1 Pt.2:5-8) Revelation is never what we build on Paul says there is no other foundation but Christ.
“It is all over. (speaking for Jesus) I am going to speak all right. Yes, I am ‘here in the midst of the Church. The Amen of God, faithful and true will reveal Himself and it will BE BY MY PROPHET.” Oh yes, that is so. Rev. 10:7 “And in the days of the voice of the seventh messenger, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished as He hath declared to His servants the prophets.” …. He is sending a vindicated prophet. He is sending a prophet after almost two thousand years. He is sending someone who is so far from organization, education, and the world of religion that as John the Baptist and Elijah of old, He will hear only from God and he will have “thus saith the Lord” and speak for God. He will be God’s mouthpiece and HE, AS IT IS DECLARED IN MAL. 4:6, WILL TURN THE HEARTS OF THE CHILDREN BACK TO THE FATHERS.” ( W. Branham, THE MESSAGE TO THE LAODICEAN AGE p.28).
“When that Angel, that you see in that picture over there, come down on the river down there that day, thirty years ago come this coming June or thirty-three years ago, rather, this June, and said, “As John the Baptist was sent forth, (before 5,000 people or more) the hour has come when your Message will stray the world” (The Revelation of the Seven Seals p.51)
“If you haven’t made preparation yet to meet the Lamb in the air, and by the power invested me by my commission given by Almighty God and ministered to me by an Angel, a Pillar of Light” (The Revelation of the Seven Seals p.112-113 )
“ Now last evening as we always like in teaching on the Seals, we teach it the same way you do on the church ages. When we got finished with teaching the church age, the last time when I drawed them out here on the pulpit on the board–how many remembers what took place? He came right down. went right back on the wall and light and drawed it off Himself, right there on the wall before us all. The Angel of The Lord stood right here before several hundred people. And now He’s doing something real supernatural now, too. So we’re just expecting great things.” (The Revelation of the Seven Seals p.180)
“But in the last days, it will have to be a prophet to take up the mysteries of God, . . . ? . . . because the mysteries would only be known by prophets. So it has to be this fellow coming. Do you see what I mean now? He can’t be a reformer; it has got to be a prophet, because it has got to be somebody that is gifted ; and set there that catches the word. ”(The Revelation of the Seven Seals p.145). “ the original Bible faith is to be restored by the 7th angel oh, how I love this! All of the mysteries of the Seals that the reformers never understood fully.”( ibid p.147)
“ See, immediately after the coming of THIS Elijah, the earth will be cleansed by hate and the wicked burned to ashes. Of course, this did NOT happen at the time of John (the Elijah for his day.)… .” (THE MESSAGE TO THE LAODICEAN AGE p.13).Did this happen immediately after he died? Branham believed himself to be THIS Elijah, the earth was not cleansed nor the wicked burned.
“That this age will, end around 1977. …, I base this prediction on seven major continuous visions that came to me one Sunday morning in June, 1933. The Lord Jesus spoke to me and said that the coming of the Lord was drawing nigh, but that before He came, seven major events would transpire. ( W. Branham, THE MESSAGE TO THE LAODICEAN AGE, p.29).
“ The revival is over. America had her last chance in 1957. Now the tongues, are God’s sign of impending disaster, even as they were when they appeared upon the wall at Belshazzar’s feast….(W. Branham, THE MESSAGE TO THE LAODICEAN AGE p.29) According to revivalists today who endorse Branhams ministry we are currently experiencing a revival of unprecedented proportions. So ids Branham a false prophet according to them or are they false according to Branham.
“And the Angels took me into that pyramid of themselves – the mysteries of God known only to them. And now, they were the messengers that come to interpret that pyramid or that Message of the secret of these Seven Seals which lays with inside the pyramid.”
“We find out that during that time I saw seven Angels in a form of a pyramid that swept down and picked me up. And I was brought east to open the Seven Seals for God.” (Commission By Seven Mighty Angels 1963 “Standing in the Gap” Jefferson, IN V-6N7 Sunday 63-0623m “80″).
It is Jesus who alone is worthy to open the 7 seals. He opens them according to the bible and this even has not happened yet no matter what Branham claims. A number of loyalists to Branham have tried to spin this saying the mystery was revealed to him, but he clearly said he opened because he was the angel ordained to do so.
At the same time he also said “Oh, I want to be numbered as one of them in that day, Lord. And I see the day approaching.” You see these Seals begin to . . . If God will open them to us. And remember, He alone can do it” (The Revelation of the Seven Seals, p.66) So we have confusion unless one wants to admit Branham was God there is no way to reconcile these statements.
“And when the Seals are broken and the mystery is revealed, down comes the Angel, the Messenger, Christ, setting His foot upon the land and upon the sea with a rainbow over His head. Now remember this Seventh angel is on the earth at the time of this coming.” (The Revelation of the Seven Seals,p.74) This is proof that Branham was not the 7th angel as he thought.
September 9, 2010
When I came to the Lord, I handed over all my occult supplies (value a few hundred dollars — a lot of money at the time in 1976) to the people who led me to the Lord. I did this willingly. They were to burn the books, the tarot cards, the ouija board, etc.
Florida Pastor Terry Jones is going to have a day of burning the Koran. What media fails to zone in on, is the fact he was sent copies of the Koran. I find this a too important fact to ignore.
If someone now sent me occult books, or even dozens of the book of Mormon, what to do? I know what I would do. I would send them back saying, “thanks, but no thanks.” If somehow they were sent back to me, then I would destroy them in the privacy of my own home. I wouldn’t make a public spectacle of the ordeal.
The one thing that people do not seem to know right now is Terry Jones is a fake, a fraud, a false prophet. I noticed this crack pot a few months ago. He was setting dates to the end of the world. He looked like the kind old grandfather. So did Albert Fish in the early 19th century.
Terry Jones had his youtube account closed down. The name of the account was jterry316. I almost posted his videos on this blog but he was too much of a weirdo. Who could possibly take him serious? But it looks like I underestimated the old man. It appears he may be trying to start war world three with his provactive book burning spectacle — much like other false prophets, false religions and movements who use acts of violence to bring about their agenda. He is a fake, a fraud, an imposter to the real Gospel. There is more to Terry Jones than we know.
He is following a false jesus. Why should any of us believe his actions are being led by the Holy Spirit? Why would a prophet have his youtube channel closed if he was hearing from God? What is there to hide? Could it be that he would be exposed for the fake he is?
Like Jim Jones and others, he is not worthy of media attention other than to expose him.
The fact that he calls it the “International Burn a Koran Day” speaks for itself. It appears he wants to lead the whole world in this event. He is also setting himself up to be some kind of martyr. Though he may have the right to burn anything he wants, I question his true motives. Just because Islam would burn Bibles does not give me the right to burn their books. This is something I have sat on for a few days asking myself ”what would Jesus do? Would He make an open spectacle of burning the Koran?” Unfortunately, for those of us with passions for wanting to see instant justice, the answer is no.
Jesus walked to the beat of a different drummer. He didn’t follow the crowds. As much as my zealous side would like to believe it, I can not see Jesus and His disciples spending time burning books. I can understand wanting to. After all, I know no other religion that wants to chop my head off other than Islam! But what of those potential Muslims who do walk in peace, whose desire is to love their neighbor? Do I offend them just because I have the liberty to do so? No.
Pastor Terry Jones is no true shepherd. He’s willing to risk the lives of those he is entrusted with. He is no better than those who send their children out with bombs strapped upon them!
And what if there is some kind of violent repurcussions because of his actions? It would only continue to prove what we all know to begin with; Islam is a religion of violence. Nobody wins in this.
September 2, 2010
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For many false Christs shall arise and they will show great signs and wonders and will even deceive the elect if possible.
Reject the truth, you will end up believing a lie.
August 28, 2010
There is something not quite right about Glen Beck. I’ve thought it for some time. “Oh, but he cares about America,” you say. “He is patriotic and believes in God.”
So? And your point is what? That conservatives can not be deceived or be deceivers?
Glen Beck and his day of Destiny is weird to me. Are we Christians ever really called to help full fill someone else’s so-called destiny? Beck’s destiny as he calls it, is really to see how many people he can gather in his name, the name of Beck.
Yeah yeah, I know it is about supposed to be about God, America, apple pie and being patriotic. Whatever. But I refuse to be pimped out for and by mere man. That’s right — pimped out. That is exactly what Glen Beck is doing in making such a big following for himself under the guise of God and country. My gosh, do some of you have so little discernment that you can not see that he even calls it, his day of destiny? You must ask yourselves what are you being used for?
I believe this movement among Christians for God and country is part of the latter day delusion, part of the apostasy. Really, I do. I believe in standing for God and country. However, I believe this movement is being used in such extreme that it is becoming another gospel, a different gospel that Paul warned us about:
I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ. — Galations 1:6-10 –
Since when are any of us called to help Glen Beck or any other to full fill a personal day of destiny? Seems to me, the Christian ought to be more concerned about letting Jesus full fill HIS destiny. One of, bringing others into His marvelous kingdom of light. Speaking the truth of the Gospel. Warning the unruly, lifting up feeble hands and one of the most important, NEVER compromising the truth for the sake of peace and conformity with a lie.
Glen Beck is a deceiver. Whether he knows it or not, he is a deceiver. He has set himself up high like some modern day prophet. He has even said as much on his radio program a week or so ago! He compared himself to Jeremiah as he soothingly preached his different gospel to his audience. Jeremiah indeed! God told Jeremiah no one would even listen to him. Beck has thousands of followers who listen to him. WHERE is the comparison in that? There is none. Not one person on earth today can say no one listens to them. Someone somewhere WILL and does listen to you. For Glen Beck to compare himself to one of the greatest prophets of all time is ridiculous and self-serving at the least.
Beck is a Mormon. He does not serve the same God as Christians do. It may look good, it may sound good, it may even have an odor that is refreshing to some (most anything would be compared to the ungodliness that assaults our senses every day) BUT, a lie is as much as a stench in the nostrils to Almighty God as the most vile sin. Perhaps more so, as it creates an image of God that is not true. Do we really have to be reminded of these words?
For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. – Revelation 22:18,19 –
Wikipedia: The Angel Moroni is an angel that Joseph Smith, Jr. said visited him on numerous occasions, beginning on September 21, 1823. The angel was the guardian of the golden plates, which Smith said were buried in a hill near his home in western New York, and which he said were the source material for the Book of Mormon. Moroni is an important figure in the theology of the Latter Day Saint movement, and is featured prominently in Mormon architecture and art. Three Witnesses besides Joseph Smith said they saw Moroni in 1829 visions, as did several other witnesses who each said they had their own vision.
Moroni is said to be the same person as a Book of Mormon prophet-warrior named Moroni, who was the last to write in the golden plates. The book says that Moroni buried them before he died after a great battle between two pre-Columbian civilizations. After he died, he was resurrected, became an angel, and was tasked with guarding the golden plates, and with eventually directing Joseph Smith to their location in the 1820s. According to Latter Day Saint movement theology, Moroni still has the plates and several other Book of Mormon artifacts in his possession.
Come on, give me a break. THIS IS AN ANGEL THAT PREACHES ANOTHER GOSPEL THAT PAUL WARNED ABOUT. For Christians somehow to overlook that for the sake of a conservatism agenda is wrong! It is compromise.
Beck even says that your soul will be healed by going to this event. Really? Souls are healed by Jesus. I say Jesus is nowhere in this event. I say it is a move of the flesh; trusting in the strong arm of the flesh. I say it has the stench of soulishness all over it.
Why judge something that brings hope to people, RH, some may be asking? Because it is not real hope. It is no better than the hope that obama promised. It is putting trust in man and his plans. In this case it is even worse. It is preparing the Bride of Christ to line up with apostates, heretics and the anti-christ through politics.
So as the thousands are helping Glen Beck declare his day of destiny, I have to ask, what is it of eternal value that you will bring back home with you? More of a hunger for the truth, or just more patriotism?
I suspect, that many will come home just as empty as they were before they made the trip. In that event, I would have to tell you, stop putting your hope in man and his plans to defend your rights, your speech, your beliefs, etc. The day is coming when we will know who our true Deliverer is. It will not be the likes of Glen Beck or any other mere man, political party or movement — but God in heaven who sees and knows the hearts of all men. Him shall we serve, worship and obey, and no other. Him shall we follow and no other.
July 13, 2010
People who follow this stuff will EASILY line up under the anti-christ one way or the other. And to think people actually pay for this deception?!
I found this over at:
http://slaughteringthesheep.wordpress.com/2010/07/07/joshua-mills-and-his-school-of-mysticism/ once again she did a great job exposing this fake.
Joshua Mills, who never ceases to completely shun Scripture in favor of mystical signs and wonders, had a school of aforementioned signs and wonders in Honolulu, Hawaii, from June 21 to 26. This was part of what he called the Intensified Glory Institute.
There were three courses in this school. They were:
Course 1 - Activating angels, the power of praise and worship, the three realms of the supernatural, third-day intercession, how to operate in creative miracles, flowing in signs and wonders, and experiencing realms of Heavenly glory.
Course 2 - More about activating angels, go even further into realms of Heavenly glory, understanding visions and dreams, and much more.
Course 3 (Advanced School of Miracles) - Miracle techniques, how to flow in the miracle realm, how to maintain your miracle (ya don’t wanna lose it, ya know), and how to activate the things you learn in the Word.
I’m sorry, but I can’t find anywhere in the Bible where the apostle Paul, or any of the other apostles, held glory schools, signs and wonders schools, or schools of the anointing. It’s just not there.
I can show you where the apostle Paul said “For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified,” and it can be found right there —-> 1 Corinthians 2:2; but, there were no glory schools, miracle techniques, or seminars on how to activate angels. It’s just not there. But, then again, Joshua Mills is a heretic. Should we really be surprised?
July 13, 2010
Just what we all need and want: a prayer cloth from Josh Mills guaranteed instant results for all that ails us. Why his feet are soooo holy, he sweats ”oil,” don’t ya know? Who wouldn’t want a piece of that. Only thing is, it will cost ya some buckeroos. WHO and what kind of people keep believing this stuff???
I found the following over at:
http://slaughteringthesheep.wordpress.com/2010/07/07/get-a-prayer-cloth-soaked-with-oil-from-joshua-mills-feet/#comment-6842 she did a great job exposing this fake.
Get a Prayer Cloth Soaked with Oil from Joshua Mills’ Feet
Joshua Mills doesn’t make it hard to expose him. Let’s face it, he goes from ridiculous to absurd. Keeping that in mind…I’m not sure what to call this. Remember when he said he ate gold leaves from the tree of life? Remember his tall tale about the fish that was wearing sunglasses? Remember the time his wife said that when she gave birth to their son, he was covered in gold dust? Well, this probably beats those.
If you’ll visit this link, you will be able to get a “Glory Impartation Cloth” which is soaked with oil that flowed —————- from Joshua Mills’ FEET!
Mills says that while he was preaching, oil began to flow from his hands and feet. So much of it began to flow that they began capturing it on a cloth. They cut that cloth in strips, and because it contains the oil from his feet, it is uber-anointed! And guess what??? He wants to send one to YOU so that “new miracles can begin to happen in your life!”
Here’s a picture of the supposed oil that is flowing from Mills’ feet:
Here is what Mills says on his website:
Just last week the supernatural fragrant oil began to flow from my feet in abundance as we began to worship the Lord. It began coming with the fragrance of roses – this smell is symbolic for the fragrance of Christ, He is the Rose of Sharon. We placed cloth material under my feet so that the oil and fragrance would flow into the fabric. We have gathered the oil in this way so that it can be used as a point of contact, just like the fabric that was taken from the Apostle Paul in order that extraordinary miracles would begin to be released!
If you get one of these cloths, here’s what Mills claims you can expect:
- Your Family To Be Saved!
- Your Finances To Flourish!
- Your Body To Be Healed!
- Your Addictions To Be Broken!
And all of that from his feet! If you get one of these cloths, Mills says there is a supernatural transferal of anointing that accompanies these cloths. He says:
I want to send you one of these glory cloths that has been saturated with this supernatural oil that flows from heaven! I believe that there is a supernatural transferance of anointing that will happen as you receive this special cloth for your needs. I also want to give you an opportunity to sow into this realm of God’s manifest glory. (emphasis theirs)
Oil that flows from heaven by way of Joshua Mills’ feet? Not remotely!
Mills goes on to say:
For every generous financial seed of any amount that is sown into the glory this month, we will be sending you a free “glory cloth” that has been saturated with the supernatural fragrant oil that has flowed miraculously during times of worship. We will also be sending you “31 Promises For A Month Of Blessing” – you can read, declare and prophesy these promises over your life and begin to see them come to pass.
Ah…and there it is. The bottom line. Isn’t there always a bottom line? To get the “glory cloth” that is SOAKED WITH OIL FROM HIS FEET, Mills says you have to sow a GENEROUS financial seed of ANY amount …………………………………..and then you’ll get the cloth for free.
*blank stare* *crickets chirping*
There’s something wrong with that proposition. There’s something wrong with this whole scheme.
Folks, Joshua Mills is not only a heretic, he’s a huckster of the highest rank. A snake oil salesman who will sell “heavenly oil” from his own feet in order to make a buck! Don’t be taken in by him.
July 10, 2010
What was God thinking about the following? Was He pleased? I certainly can not speak for Him, but I can speak for myself. The following took place in May. I can only imagine what onlookers may have thought to hear this screeching woman yelling “mayday! mayday!” WHAT on earth was she talking about; people being in the trees? You mean to tell me there were people so enamored with Cindy Jacobs that they climbed trees to get a glimpse of her and hear her voice? I think not. It almost makes one wonder if she was not having some kind of delusions of grandeur in thinking people came out to her see her like Nicodemus did when he climbed a tree to see Jesus! What else can you make of it?
IF I had been an unsaved onlooker, and walked by that mess I would have thought, what a bunch of kooks. Heck, I think it anyway. First off, the Word says: If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land. — Chronicles 7:14
Turning from wicked ways would also mean turn from false teachers, prophets, evangelists, preachers, etc. Instead they are embraced by the majority of Christians without much reservation!
The Word does not say for a group of people to come together and shout “mayday! mayday!” I suppose the piano in the background was to get everybody in the mood. Oooops, that is manipulation which is the same as witchcraft. Call it worship if you like, but it is not.
“Here we are, save us!”
“Save us, God. Come on, keep crying out.”
That’s right, sheeple. Do what you are told. Be led by the false ones and continue to do everything they tell you to do and they will lead you straight to the anti-christ one way or the other.
“I want you to turn to your neighbor. I want your voice to be heard. There’s a transistion…”
What transistion? You mean like power was being transfered right there and then? I don’t think so.
“I want you to pray wherever you are. Under the trees, wherever you are…”
She’s got the tree thingy going on again!
Then she ends with imitaions of Braveheart shouts of “Freedom, freedom, freedom!”
There is NO WAY I could have been in the mood for praying or ANYTHING for that matter (other than vomiting) if I had to stay there and listen to that silly woman and her screeching voice. No wonder the world thinks a lot of Christians are flakes — look whose leading them in the apostate church!
Well, after giving it some thought, I think I can speak for God and I do not think He was impressed at all with this show.
Whatever happened to being in your prayer closet? This “mayday” event was more of lining ones self up with a political movement rather than God. Which is fine, but please do not make it what it is not; some kind of mandate from God.
I will not line myself up with these people in way, shape or form. I believe God would say, “Come out of her, My people.”
May God forgive me if I have insulted Him in anyway.
July 1, 2010
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“Kundalini is a false Holy Spirit. It produces even miracles and healings… it’s the Hindu version of the Holy Spirit.”
He asks, “How on earth are we suppose to turn around such an invasion?”
I would say by EXPOSING IT and proclaiming the truth.
JohnTheBaptistTV | June 26, 2010
Mini-documentary from an “Insider” in the Charismatic scene showing clips of the most shocking invasion of false spirits in church history. This is a must-see. Please share it with your friends and warn others to watch it.
Key names that supported this “invasion”- Todd Bentley, John Arnott, Randy Clark, Rodney Howard Browne, Bob Jones, Mike Bickle, Bill Johnson, Toronto Blessing, Brownsville revival, TACF, IHOP, Patricia King, Sid Roth, God TV, Joshua Mills, Peter Wagner, NAR, Kenneth Copeland, and many more.
Key names who stood against it: David Wilkerson, Art Katz, Derek Prince, John Wimber, Lee Grady, Clifford Hill, Andrew Strom.