Apostate Rob Bell affirms Homosexuality

This is what happens when pastors and preachers all through America could not discern Rob Bell in the first place. When you can not discern something from the beginning, you end up having to deal with a greater delusion later on.

Would not surprise me one bit, if Rob Bell himself comes out at some point and says he is a homosexual. Does that make me judging? I’ve done said, I have known/know lots of homosexuals through my lifetime and loved each and everyone of them. But I dare not help them stay in the kingdom of darkness, by affirming them in their behavior.

Justin Hoke: Rob Bell in a clear demonstration of loving the world, affirms homosexuality. God can and does save homosexuals, but not apart from repentance. You cannot be homosexual and a Christian at the same time. Some Christians may struggle with homosexual sinful desires, but Bell is not saying any of this, rather he is boldly calling good what God has called sin.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/rob-bell-on-gay-marriage-support-god-pulling-us-ahead-to-affirm-gay-brothers-sisters-92395/

“I believe God [is] pulling us ahead into greater and greater affirmation and acceptance of our gay brothers and sisters and pastors and friends and neighbors and coworkers,” former megachurch pastor and best-selling author Rob Bell explained just days after surprising the evangelical Christian community with his expressed support for same-sex marriage.

I have said this many times and will say it again: Not everyone is our sister and brother. What part of “you must be born – again” is it that these apostates do not get? http://redeemedhippiesplace.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/who-are-the-children-of-god/

The former Mars Hill Bible Church founder and controversial Love Wins author told Odyssey Networks in an interview published Wednesday that many people are “realizing that God makes some of us one way and some of us another, and it can be a beautiful thing.”

If Rob Bell is referring to homosexuality here, and I believe he is, then he building an image of God that is not true. It is a lying anti-christ spirit. To call beautiful what God has called sin, is a lie from hell. 

The video interview, titled “Why Rob Bell Supports Gay Marriage,” comes just days after the Michigan church founder visited San Francisco’s Grace Cathedral (the Episcopal Cathedral of the Diocese of California) in a promotional book tour to discuss his purpose for writing What We Talk About When We Talk About God, his views on evangelical Christianity and future projects he has lined up.

During that event, Bell was asked about his stance on same-sex marriage and he explained that he was “for marriage.”

“I am for fidelity. I am for love, whether it’s a man and a woman, a woman and a woman, a man and a man. I think the ship has sailed and I think that the church needs to just … this is the world that we are living in and we need to affirm people wherever they are,” he responded.

Really? Would that I am for love thingy include being able to marry your dog, goat or pig?

What Rob Bell really wanted to say was, “I think the ship has sailed and I think that the church needs to just get on board.” Do we affirm others as well? 

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. — 1 Corinthians 6:9 – 11 –

Some observers expressed disappointment with Bell’s unorthodox view and found his remarks surprising, although the popular Christian author has expressed similar views in the past, previously calling gays and lesbians who identify as Christians “passionate disciples of Jesus.”

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Brad Williams, an Alabama-based Baptist pastor, denounced Bell’s comments, calling it “disconcerting for a Christian leader to say that the church should simply get in line with whatever the culture says.”

“… one thing the Christian cannot do is ask Scripture to take a back seat to cultural whims. That is what Bell is asking of us,” Williams wrote for Patheos.

“The universal church simply cannot follow Bell where he is going. The church has to be clear, and her leaders ought to be clear about the Bible’s teachings.”

Amid the criticism Bell has received, Brian McLaren, a friend of Bell’s and a well-known pastor specializing in post-evangelical thought who is also gay-affirming, has commended him for his “courageous” remarks.

“I think this is further evidence that we are reaching a tipping point in our culture where marriage equality will be seen in much of the way as the struggle for women’s equality and for civil rights now are seen as we look back in our history,” McLaren, who has been identified as part of the controversial emergent church, said in a video interview also with Odyssey Networks. “It takes courage to make these kinds of statements when you’re an author and speaker as Rob and I are, but it’s especially painful for pastors and priests to work this out in the midst of pastoral ministry.”

Liar. No, it does not take courage. All one needs is compromise. It takes courage to stand for the truth.

In his new book, What We Talk About When We Talk About God, Bell shares his take on how some theological ideas present in mainstream Christianity are outdated and irrelevant to the changing times – and that God is in many ways steps ahead of these old ideas and is pulling people forward.

Out right apostacy! The Word of God says: Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, … — Hebrews 13:8,9 –

Who is Rob Bell to change the word of God?

“A lot of people when they say, ‘By God ahead do you mean by same-sex marriage?’ – Yes,” Bell said in his March 20 interview.

“We live in a world where we have friends, neighbors, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, people we journey with for years who are gay. And we need to love, affirm and all of us together work on the real problems that we have in the world. And I think that’s one of the things you’re seeing now, is you’re seeing God pull us all forward into a greater realization that we need more love, we need more fidelity, we need more monogamy, we need more people who are committed to each other.”

But no! We need more people who are committed to God, more committed to the truth!

“So this is a huge moment when I think lots of us are realizing that the old way of seeing things doesn’t work,” he added. “It causes so much pain and heartache and God’s inviting us to see things in new ways and we need to say ‘yes’ and then we need to step into the future together.”

Rob Bell and those who follow him, are of an anti-christ spirit. He is leading countless thousands right into the bowels of hell.

Bell also shared that he believes technology has played a major part in the shifting of many long-held views, saying that the Internet in particular has shown that people cannot live in their own “tribal bubbles” or “cocooned off” from the real world.

He added, “What happens when you are all suddenly exposed to thousands of different viewpoints is it can call your own into question and it can have this refining fire dimension to it when you realize that ‘wow, I’ve been living with a bunch of views and perspectives that don’t actually work and don’t actually bring life. So I need to be honest about that.’ And that can be painful, but it’s also liberating and that’s where the life is.”

What he is saying, is, it is ok to compromise the truth for the sake of getting something to work.

Bell, who left the Michigan congregation he founded in 1999 to move to California last year, is currently on a promotional tour for What We Talk About When We Talk About God. The former pastor, whose best-selling Love Wins book challenged traditional teachings on a literal, eternal hell and belief in Jesus Christ as a prerequisite for heaven, has also shared that he is developing a faith-inspired television show with “Lost” series creator Carlton Cuse.

And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. — Matthew 24: 4,5 –

Burn the Quran? Why?

I had a video I wanted to put up, but for some reason it is not presenting me with the correct one, so I will have to do without.

I’m almost certain this will tick off some Christian American patriots, never – the – less, I find it true, therefore I will say it.

The main person who appears to first be behind the whole burn the Quran thing, is a pastor named Terry Jones. I was familiar with Terry Jones before he became famous for his self – seeking, self – exalting agenda.

He had his own youtube channel which since, that particular one has been deleted. He had a video of he and his wife (I suppose it was his wife) sitting at a kitchen table. At the time I was fairly new to the internet and stupid me was practically believing everything I saw and heard. A person can not get any dumber than that, people. In this particular video he was giving a date to the end of the world. He looked like a caring old grandpaw, using scripture. I would have fallen for it, had I not known what Jesus said:

“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. — Matthew 24:36,37 –

Terry Jones has taken his Christian views and has found ways to profit just like many false teachers before him: http://www.doveworld.org/store

THAT makes him someone who uses the Gospel for personal gain and it is not even the Gospel he actually uses.

http://www.doveworld.org/

Dove World Outreach Center is a New Testament Church – based on the Bible, the Word of God.

We believe that God is calling a new generation in this end time – a generation of believers that is yielded to his Word and his will.

Our Land needs strong churches that understand and fulfill God’s vision of restoration and reformation, churches that are able to handle the revival we will see this century with the apostolic anointing, and bring Godly changes to our entire society.

God has a plan for your life! And we want you to be able to recognize your destiny.

God loves you and he longs for a real and deep relationship with you. He created you on purpose and it’s his desire that everyone knows and fulfills his calling.

Dr. Terry and Sylvia Jones
– Senior Pastors of

Dove World Outreach Center –

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I wish you could hear the raspberry sound I just made, so this will have to do: blah blah blah. Terry Jones obviously does not know his Bible. As the Bible NEVER speaks of a “revival we will see this century with the apostolic anointing, and bring Godly changes to our entire society.” Not once does scripture teach this. Jesus Himself, did not teach it. He spoke the opposite. He even said, “…Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?” — Luke 18:8 – The Bible speaks of a great apostacy. One of which Terry Jones is part of.

What is the destiny these false teachers speak of? The only destiny I see is one of picking up your cross. But none of these false teachers ever speak on that. Instead, they are building their little kingdoms here on earth, setting themselves up as our spiritual leaders, our guides, for us to follow under their apostolic anointing. 

They believe in a new “generation of believers that is yielded to his Word and his will.” Really? Does that include the Muslim? If so, why burn their books? What do you think that is going to accomplish? My question is, where do you even get the books? Do you actually go out and buy them just to burn them? If so, how stupid is that, when you could be purchasing Bibles?!  

And if that information is not enough for you, he has been like every other FALSE teacher and has become a whore by allowing himself to be bought. He got himself a new car for NOT burning the Quran. That not only makes him a whore, but a compromiser of what he said he believed.

http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/state/florida-pastor-terry-jones-gets-free-car-from-nj-dealership-for-not-burning-quran

Now God worked unusual miracles by the hands of Paul, so that even handkerchiefs or aprons were brought from his body to the sick, and the diseases left them and the evil spirits went out of them. Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists took it upon themselves to call the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, “We exorcise you by the Jesus whom Paul preaches.” Also there were seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, who did so.

And the evil spirit answered and said, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?”

Then the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, overpowered them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. This became known both to all Jews and Greeks dwelling in Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified. And many who had believed came confessing and telling their deeds. Also, many of those who had practiced magic brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all. And they counted up the value of them, and it totaled fifty thousand pieces of silver. So the word of the Lord grew mightily and prevailed. — Acts 19:11-19 –

Paul did not march into Ephesus and say, “I am here to burn your books!” 

When I came out of the Occult, I had the books burned. No one forced me. No one talked me into it. It was my free will. I had the truth presented to me, a fear of God fell upon me, Jesus being the truth was magnified in me, and then I chose to have my books and occult supplies done away with.

When anyone leaves me a tract or some other kind of religious material at my door that I find false and misleading, it is mine to do with as I please. I simply throw it away. I do not have some great need to make a public display of burning them. So unless, it is your own personal Quran, according to scripture, you are either acting out of ignorance or you know very well what you do, choosing to inflame the masses by building your own little kingdom of followers. God knows!

Turn from those who want to use you for their own gain and notoriety!

Instead of going through all the hoopla and theatrics of burning books, (unless they are your own) how about getting in the real battle of trying to share the truth that sets people free?

Just saying.

Rick Warren’s Son Has Committed Suicide

It is sad when any parent loses a child. It is more grievous when one takes their own life into their hands and decides to end it their way. I can not imagine what it must be like to be the loved one of anyone who would do such a thing. Even more sad when it is someone who confesses Christ. I am not being unkind when I say, surely, there are ways that the Church need to prepare for such things, instead of handing people over to mental health facilities? Some people do not like to hear this, but I say it anyway: The day is coming when everyone who confesses Christ will come to a point where they will have to learn to trust in Him and Him alone in everything.

We do not know what kind of youth groups this young man was in — if any. If he were, what kind and who and what was it based on?

Where were the seasoned senior Christians and what were they doing?

“Mental illness” involves torment, does it not?  Jesus came to set us all free from torment. We need to be ready for the thousands who have been in false churches, those who have been in cults, those who have been deceived and manipulated. We need to be ready to know how to reach the captives with the truth that sets free.

Lord, help Your children to be more discerning, walking in the power of your Holy Spirit.  

We can do nothing without You, Lord. Nothing. 

This is all I can say for now.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/04/06/saddleback-church-says-rick-warrens-son-has-committed-suicide/

Pastor Rick and Kay Warren’s youngest son, Matthew, has committed suicide, Saddleback Valley Community Church announced Saturday.

The evangelical megachurch announced the death of the 27-year-old in a statement. He died Friday night.

Described as “an incredibly kind, gentle and compassionate young man whose sweet spirit was encouragement and comfort to many,” the statement said Matthew suffered from mental illness that resulted in deep depression and suicidal thoughts.

“Despite the best healthcare available, this was an illness that was never fully controlled and the emotional pain resulted in his decision to take his life,” the statement said. “We ask everyone to join us in praying for the entire Warren family and that God’s comfort and peace will be with them as they deal with this difficult situation.”

Founded in 1980 by Pastor Rick Warren, Saddleback Church serves the Southern California community with several locations, including one in Lake Forest.

Warren is also known for authoring, “The Purpose Driven Life,” which has sold more than 30 million copies worldwide, according to the church’s website.

One more and I am done

One more and I am done with this guy. One more for those who did not test anything a few years back. One more for those who made excuses. One more for those who have mocked those who have tried to warn the sheep of the apostacy. One more for those who have created a new religion making Jesus look like a laughing drunken idiot through their blashphmeous teachings. Kenneth Hagin gave root to that one.

You can not do it anymore. You are faced with this now. It — is — your — baby. Own it.

As for the godly, those who refuse to bow to the vulgar and lying gospels that are being birthed by the whore, if any of you have children involved in any kind of youth group, you better make sure who and what they are following. “Oh but my child does not follow this,” some of you may say. You may be right. But are you sure? Can you be certain that not even the smallest bit of deception has entered in? Parents, it is up to YOU to teach your children. If you do not, Satan will gladly take them over.

I will not even try to transcribe his filth. To even give this attention, sickens me. But I will only for the sake of maybe some can be warned not to allow themselves to come under this at some time. As for others, may you repent and come out from under it.

What part of God being a HOLY God do people not get? Is anyone so blinded they really think God in heaven is winking at this? The God I serve does not. But the god Brandon serves does.

Repent, Brandon. Turn from this folly and wickedness and be washed in the blood of the Lamb who was slain for both you and me.

BB cuts lose with foul words saying, ”If you have a dirty mind, you can’t say it, but if you have a holy mind you can use it…”

Really? What does the Word of God say?

Therefore be imitators of God as dear children. And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.

But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them. — Ephesians 5:1-7 –

Once again, you can find the video by doing a search on Brandon Barthrop Formerly Known as Cuss Words

I can not even post the rest of his description.

But be warned

Proof of what loving a delusion will get you

A few years ago when I first began this blog, my intent was to expose the apostacy within the Church. I have done that. I have put up hundreds of articles. The past few months have brought many changes in my heart. I hear the words of my Father telling me to get my eyes off the garbage both within and outside the church and fix them on Him. He is coming back. Whether He comes back in my lifetime or not, is not the point. The point is, He desires to see souls come to Him, desiring to set people free.

I am called to proclaim the Good News. No longer do I have to shout from the housetops railing against the darkness, as I have done, in my way, in my flesh. This world and the lying abomnible things of this world will pass away, but Jesus — the Truth — abides forever.

Truly darkness has covered the land. Great deceptions in our midst from every arena. From governments, politics, politicians, news media, entertainment industry, and even within what is called The Church. I believe the true Church — the Bride of Christ – must reach a point where we begin to take our eyes off the things of this world and fix them in heavenly places. It has been a very hard thing for me to do the past few years. The filth, the rot, the putrid decay of deception trying to erode away truth, mocking all that is good and esteeming that which is wicked, almost drove me insane. One would think I had never read the Word of God in my life by my total shock and surprise of the evil. After all Jesus warned us what it would look like. But I was shocked. I did not know it was going to so dark, so black, so evil, so wicked, so OCCULTIC.

This morning as I was going through this blog trying to decide what to get rid of or not, (I have way too many catagories, I think) I ran across the catagory of Brandon Barthrop. Some of you may be aquainted with him from a few years back. He and his followers were known for “toking the ghost”, “getting drunk in the spirit” etc. I had prayed for this young man over the years as I am sure many others have. I went to see what is new with him, if perhaps he has begun to walk in a resemblance of truth.

To my horror he has not. He has gotten worse. You can see the devils in his eyes. He has gone from being what some would have called a mere little goofball, to complete debauchery. I will not put his video up. It is much too vile. Yet, this is being esteemed as a “God thing” among those within the so – called church.

He happens to quote – surprise, surprise — Rick Jonyner’s book The Quest. You know the one. The one where RJ taught there was going to be a war in the Church in the years to come against the grays and the blues. The grays being those of us who dared to question their movement, their Jesus they were setting up for us all to worship — like it or not. Here is an excerpt from one who came out of RJ’s teachings:

http://thegreycoats.wordpress.com/tag/rick-joyner/

The grays were spoken of with disdain and derision. Gray represented the brain and those who lived in their minds without regard to the higher life of the spirit. The grays were the legalists, the old wineskins, those seeking to trap and keep God in a box. They were painted as the staunch, stuffed and sterile church that had long since faded into antiquity and outlived their usefulness. It seems to me, looking back, that anyone that opposed Joyner and his teachings was considered a gray and not open to the “moving of the spirit.” The grays, Joyner was quick to tell us would be overcome and destroyed in the fight for the “true” church to evolve to the next level. Of course, in his estimation, the grays would not go quietly into that good night so it might be necessary for us to assist God in finishing up the job. Let me put that in plain English. We would help God kill them. Looking back, it should have been all too clear to me but it wasn’t.

I tried to tell a few people in my personal life about Brandon Barthrop a few years back. They acted as if I should not be judging his behavior, after all, he was able to say the word Jesus out of his mouth. As if that in and of itself is enough proof in one has truly been born – again!

This is pulled off Barthrop’s facebook page and this is mild compared to some other stuff:

“The f…ing b..ch ass mother….ing generals of Joel’s mother….ing army are positioned all over the f…ing world. Right on time b…es. F… yea! Truth any mother….ing how.”

If you are interested in seeing what following one delusion after another looks like, you can do a search for his youtube video with the words Brandon Barthrop Cleansing the Temple of God – Judgment in the Church.

But do not say I did not warn you.

To anyone who might be passing through to get a peek at what I’m about these days, and if you are one who is following signs and wonders AFTER WE WERE WARNED NOT TO, if you are one of the ones who have thought me judging, as you have sat and judged nothing except for those of us who are being Bereans, if you are one of the ones who think just because someone can say Jesus out of their mouth then all must be well and good with that person, I CHALLENGE YOU TO GO ON AND GET A GOOD LOOK AT WHAT YOU DEFENDED a few years back. May — you — choke – on — it! The seasoned Christian within the church has allowed these things to happen by putting their seal of approval on it when they dared not question it, for refusing to test all things, for refusing to discern while in search of the latest thing, when they refused to look at it and see it for what it was in the beginning, for not speaking out and warning the younger generation!

The “Jesus Culture” – a petri dish for growing young new heretics?

bzel333: The Jesus Culture Conferences are teaching biblical error. Some biblical errors are more obvious than others. One error that can be hard to detect is the “different gospel” that is taught and preached consistently throughout Jesus Culture’s teachings. It is “Word of faith” and signs and wonders and not at all Christ centered and cross focused. If you are planning to attend a Jesus Culture Conference, I would strongly reconsider attending.

Rick Warren Welcomes the First Ever Jesuit Pope, But Does He Know the Jesuit Agenda?

http://www.spiritual-research-network.com/SRN_blog/2013/3/Rick-Warren-Welcomes-the-First-Ever-Jesuit-Pope-But-Does-He-Know-the-Jesuit-Agenda-

Today, March 13, 2013, the first ever Jesuit pope was elected. A Jesuit pope? Yes!

Born Jorge Mario Bergoglio, Cardinal Bergoglio is now to be recognized as Pope Francis, the 265th pope of the Roman Catholic Church. Official Vatican sources say he is the 265th pope. Others you may see may refer to him as the 266th successor of St. Peter.

So now we have a “Jesuit” Bishop of Rome who will be touted as the “Jesuit” Vicar of Jesus Christ and the “Jesuit” successor of Peter. He will be recognized worldwide as the “Jesuit” Prince of the Apostles and the “Jesuit” Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church. Those in Europe will see him as the “Jesuit” Primate of Italy and the “Jesuit” Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province. For those who are more “servant” minded, he will be seen as the “Jesuit” Servant of the Servants of God. Finally, he will be hailed as the “Jesuit” Sovereign in the State of the Vatican City. Rome will bow down to yet another “Pope,” only this time he is fully Jesuit (“God’s Marine’s”) as a member of The Society of Jesus.

According to the newly updated entry on Wikipedia for Jorge Mario Bergoglio, Pope “Francis is the first Jesuit pope, the first from outside of Europe in more than a millennium, the first from the Americas, and the first from the Southern Hemisphere.”

“Pope Francis[1] (Latin: Franciscus, Spanish: Francisco; born Jorge Mario Bergoglio on 17 December 1936) is the 265th[2] and current pope of the Catholic Church, elected on 13 March 2013.[3] In that role he is both the leader of the Church and Sovereign of the Vatican City State. Francis is the first Jesuit pope, the first from outside of Europe in more than a millennium, the first from the Americas, and the first from the Southern Hemisphere.”

From 1998 until his election as pope, he served as the Archbishop of Buenos Aires, and was created cardinal in 2001.

Another entry on Wikipedia that was changed immediately upon the Cardinal being elected as Pope can be found under the Wikipedia entry for “Jesuit.” The text added today, near the bottom of the Wikipedia article states:

“Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio of Argentina was elected pope on March 13, 2013 and is the first Jesuit pope.”

Rick Warren “Welcome’s” Pope Francis, the First Ever Jesuit Pope

Something else of interest is the fact the Rick Warren, who professes to be an Evangelical with the Southern Baptist Convention, enthusiastically welcomed the new Jesuit Pope through Twitter.

The following are Rick Warren’s very own words and also a screenshot of his Twitter entry:

Welcome Pope Francis, Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio,

#HebemusPapum You have our prayers.

7:30PM – 13 Mar 13

Now this is rather interesting, an evangelical minister welcoming a Jesuit Pope? And how about Rick Warren’s influence on Twitter. His own warm “Welcome” of this Jesuit pope has already been re-Tweeted 659 times and it has been “favorited” 184 times. This is influence, and this is positive advertising for the Jesuit agenda and the false gospel of Roman Catholicism.
Here is the same Tweet on Rick Warren’s very own personal Twitter account.

These are interesting things indeed! Why is Rick Warren so enthusiastically “Welcom[ing]” the new Pope Francis into office, and at that, the first ever “Jesuit” pope?

It’s Time to Wake Up and Clearly Understand the Jesuit Agenda

If one understands the historical background of the Jesuit priesthood it makes no sense at all why a man who claims to be an evangelical Christian would have anything at all to do with positively “welcoming” a Jesuit into office. Historically, the Jesuit agenda stands against everything that biblical Protestantism is for. The Jesuit are notorious for undoing biblical Christianity.

In a special report entitled ‘The Jesuit Agenda and the Evangelical/Protestant Church’ by Lighthouse Trails and Understand the Times, the authors elaborate very clearly on the following topics listed here. In doing so, they explain why the Jesuits and their agenda are so dangerous. Here is the list of topics in this recommended article.

- Who are the Jesuits? – Who Was Ignatius Loyola? – The Jesuit Oath – The Jesuit Agenda Today – Jesuit (Mystical) Spirituality and the Protestant/Evangelical Church – The Counter Reformation Continues – Where Else in Evangelicalism is the Jesuit Evangelism Showing Up? – The Fatima Plan

The following is a brief excerpt from the article ‘The Jesuit Agenda and the Evangelical/Protestant Church’:

The Jesuit Oath
It is said that the ancient Jesuits took the Jesuit Oath. This has been refuted by Catholic sources as a true oath taken by Jesuits of the past; nevertheless, there is evidence enough that the oath did exist to include excerpts of it in this report. We have taken these excerpts from a book titled Political and Economic Handbook by Thomas Edward Watson published in 1916, and found in the Harvard College library.

I do declare from my heart, without mental reservation, that the Pope is Christ’s Vicar General and . . .  He hath power to depose Heretical Kings, Princes, States  . . .  that they may safely be destroyed. Therefore, to the utmost of my power I will defend this doctrine. . . . I do further declare the doctrine of the Church of England, of the Calvanists [sic], the Huguenots, and other Protestants to be damnable and those to be damned who will not forsake the same.
I do further declare that I will help, assist, and advise all or any of His Holiness agents in any place wherever I shall be; and to do my utmost to extirpate [exterminate] the heretical Protestant doctrine, and to destroy all their pretended power. (p. 437)

In another version of the Jesuit Oath, the Jesuit is asked to promise that he will make “relentless war” against “all heretics, Protestants” and to “hang, burn, waste, boil, flay, strangle, and bury alive these infamous heretics” (found in U.S. House Congressional Record, 1913, p. 3216).
The Jesuit Agenda Today:
While we are not saying that Jesuits today are murdering Protestants if they don’t convert to Catholicism, we are saying that the determination and efforts to convert Protestants back to the Mother Church still exist. Basically, while the methods may have changed, the plan and objectives have not. The following quote from an article titled “Essay on Popery” by Rev. Ingram Cobbin M.A. (taken from one edition of Foxe’s Book of Martyrs) is insightful:

The Jesuits, though at times expelled or pretendedly so from Rome, have been its awful emissaries to augment its power.  The intrigues and deceptions of these men would fill volumes, and the conveniency of their creed to deny or affirm anything, or assume any profession as it may serve their purpose, is too well known to need recapitulating here.  These men have at times assumed so much that every papal state has alternately ejected them; and large numbers are now in this country—doubtless many under false colours —waiting the most favourable opportunities to corrupt the rising generation, and, as much as possible, restore the dark days of former ages.  The Jesuits are unchangeable.

The Jesuits were driven in the past to bring back the lost brethren, and they are driven today with the same vision. Today, that vision is part of the pope’s Eucharistic Evangelization, drawing people to the Eucharistic Christ. The Eucharistic Evangelization is discussed at length in Another Jesus: The Evangelization of the Eucharistic Christ and in several articles on the Understand the Times website.

At the end of this article that thoroughly exposes the “Jesuit Agenda,” the author’s state some very interesting facts:

Rick Warren and Bill Hybels – protégés of Peter Drucker, by the way – have advanced the Jesuit Agenda by leaps and bounds. Many of these “new” Christianity, new reformation leaders have ignored the prophetic warnings of Jesus Christ’s soon return based on the signs we see from Bible prophecy. Instead, they promote the establishment of the kingdom of God with all the world’s religions.
The emerging church movement, which has been widely propagated by Warren, Hybels, and a host of other Christian figures, has been used by Satan to quickly bring about this worldwide deception by introducing mystical experiences and the social gospel to an entire generation of young people. Sensual experiences that tickle the flesh of the postmodern generation are often the same ones that Rome has used in the past to convince the faithful that they have encountered the God of the Bible. History reveals that history is repeating, and the same tools of delusion are being used over and over.

Those who shine the light on the Jesuit Agenda are considered to be conspiratorial crackpots. The prophets of the past when they exposed the Babylonian worship by the leaders of Israel were also deemed to be crazy, as have been Bible-believing Christians since Christianity began. One of those was John Huss  (1372-1415). John Foxe describes what happened:

[Huss] compiled a treatise in which he maintained that reading the books of Protestants could not be absolutely forbidden. He wrote in defense of Wickliffe’s book on the Trinity; and boldly declared against the vices of the pope, the cardinals, and clergy of those corrupt times. He wrote also many other books, all of which were penned with a strength of argument that greatly facilitated the spreading of his doctrines. . . . (13)

Rick Warren’s Extra-Ecumenical Impressions versus John Foxes The Acts and Monuments of the Christian Church

At the end of the day one simply has to wonder if Rick Warren has any understanding at all what the Jesuit agenda is all about? Does he understand their “vows” and what goes on behind closed doors in the Jesuit priesthood? Does he know that when he writes things like “Welcome Pope Francis, Cardinal Mario Bergoglio…You have our prayers” people that know the Jesuit agenda have to seriously think twice about the validity of Rick Warren’s “Christianity”? Does he know that he is giving an extra-ecumenical impression that he himself is pro Pope Francis and the Roman Catholic Church?

Many people who are familiar with Rick Warren’s chameleon-like theological shiftings, his numerous false teachings and his unbiblical global P.E.A.C.E Plan are thinking more and more that Rick Warren may full-well know exactly what the Jesuit agenda is. Perhaps his severe mishandlings of Scripture and his long-time rejection of bibliclal reproof will one day reveal that he is more more of a pawn in the grand Jesuit chess game than we all realized. Time will reveal more and more what the Jesuits are doing.

Foxes Book of Christian Martyrs is an abridged version of John Foxes The Acts and Monuments of the Christian Church. In Foxes Acts and Monuments, much more is revealed about the Jesuit plan to destroy Protestant Christianity and its faithful preachers of the Word of God. Every Christian should read these works slowly and prayerfully, along with their Bible. If they did, there would be a lot less fake Christianity around and a lot more serious commitment to the biblicla Gospel and exposing the lies of the Satan.

Rick Warren’s Tweet of “Welcome Pope Francis, Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio” is a red-letter day for Jesuit Pope Francis, for all the Jesuit priests across the globe and for the deeply sinister age-old Jesuit agenda itself.

What lies in store for global apostate Christendom, this year and in the coming years, will be very telling indeed. As the ever-growing ecumenical Rick Warren agenda coalesces more and more with the global false gospel Roman Catholicism mysticism, the Jesuits are finally seeing the agenda fold out into full bloom.

A Partial List of the False Teachers who endorse the heretical, “The Bible” TV series

List gotten here: http://beginningandend.com/the-bible-miniseries-hollywood-heresy/

The miniseries has also received a number of strong endorsements from Pastors:

“I’ve probably seen most, if not all, of the films about the Bible produced in the past 50 years. This one stands alone, in a class by itself, as the best I’ve ever seen. .. The key to its effectiveness is that it lets the Bible speak for itself, without commentary, excuse or qualification, which makes it unique. This is living history at its best!” – Dr. Rick Warren.

“Unlike any other film or miniseries I’ve ever encountered, The Bible brings the Word of God to life in the full richness of its scope, diversity, power, and magnificence. History and mystery collide as Mark Burnett and Roma Downey infuse every scene with their divinely inspired vision for sharing the poetic beauty and timeless wisdom of Scripture. – Bishop T.D. Jakes.

“I’m convinced that The Bible represents a unique opportunity to convey God’s redemptive message to a broad audience-many of whom may be unfamiliar with the narrative of Scripture. My prayer is that many lives will be impacted not only by the beauty and quality of the production, but by the Truth that lies at the center of the story.” – Jim Daly, President, Focus on the Family

“It’s impossible to put into words the awe-inspiring emotions I felt watching the Bible stories come to life on the screen. The attention to detail is impeccable.” – Craig Groeschel, Pastor, Lifechurch.tv.

“We have read all the scripts, spent time on the set and viewed some remarkable footage. The World Evangelical Alliance stands fully behind this incredible Bible project.” – r. Geoff Tunnicliffe, Chief Executive Officer/Secretary General, World Evangelical Alliance.

Joel Osteen has also put his seal of approval on it. This should open the eyes of anyone who even remotely know their Bible. If you call yourself a Christian and could follow this, there is a huge problem. Jesus warned us about leaven. THIS IS MORE THAN JUST A LITTLE LEAVEN. It is out right in your face gospel – denying, New Age lies and deceptions! If you have been a follower of those who endorse this, then it only seems right that now you have to contend with this deception from your beloved teachers. You were warned many times by many of us over the years about your beloved social justice, all is well, bless me — get a miracle, have your best life now, sugar coated teachers. It is written if you do not love the truth, God will send a delusion. You were warned, but you would not hear. IF you still dare to follow these men, then YOU are no longer just part of the deceived, but you have become part of the deceivers. You become so everytime you open your mouth in defense of these heretics.  Come out from among them! Or else greater deception come to you!

For those who are whining right now because they do not like my tone: Tough beans. I am offended that these heretics can take the Word of God and twist it, deceiving thousands and having that endorsed by so-called “teachers” and “leaders.” You were told, you were warned over and over and over, and you would not listen. Instead you have attaacked truth speakers in the Remnant of God all over the internet as being divisive when your own “gospels” come straight from hell.  Now the time has come for you to choose. What is it going to be? 

Calling a Spade a Spade

Too many Christians today are too willing to swallow the words of their favorite teacher or prophet. When confronted with the fact that many of them are blatant deceivers, kooks and manipulators, the rest of us are always accused that we are too negative, that we must always say nice thing. Well, Jesus didn’t think so. 

Following article gotten here:

http://www.wickedshepherds.com/Callingaspadeaspade.html

Some think that it is wrong to point out false teachings and other kinds of evil and to call names, let alone to name who these false teachers are!  Is this what we read in the scriptures?

In the scriptures, Jesus many, many times had serious confrontations with the religious leaders of his time.  In fact it was the religious leaders who ultimately called for his death.  (As mostly is the case……same is true for today)  All through His life, they were waiting for the right moment.

                            “…For this cause therefore the Jews sought the more to kill Him,

                                 because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also called God

                                 His own Father, making Himself equal with God.  John 5:18

                                “Some therefore of Jerusalem said, Is not this He who they

                                 seek to kill?  And lo, He speaks openly, and they say nothing

                                 to Him…”  John 7:25-26

                                 “And the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might

                                  put Him to death; for they feared the people.  Luke 22:2

                                 “Now after two days was the feast of the Passover and the

                                  unleavened bread: and the chief priests and scribes sought

                                 how they might take Him with subtlety and kill Him…” Mark 14:1

                                 “But the Pharisees went out, and took counsel against Him,

                                  how they might destroy Him  Matt12:14

                                 “So from that day forth, they (the chief priests and Pharisees

                                 and council) took counsel that they might put Him to death.  John 11:53.

Jesus called the religious leaders of His day “whited sepulchers”, “fools”, “blind guides”, “hypocrites”,  “serpents”, “murderers”, “a generation of vipers,” and many such names. Jesus spoke this way to the religious leaders throughout His ministry.  He virtually had nothing nice to say about them.  But yet there are many in the church today who say that Jesus never spoke this way.

Read Matthew Chapter 23 again and see what it says.  Jesus’ words, in practically the entire chapter, are directed at the scribes and Pharisees. 

Do you think that Jesus would speak to the church leaders today in the same way? 

Does Jesus change?  Have the church leaders changed?  Yes indeed.  They’ve gotten worse!

You know as well as I, that if Jesus were to return today, there is not one church on the face of the earth who would hire Him to be their “Pastor”.  Not one!  And why is that?  Because people today do not want to hear the truth.  Their church leaders are fine outstanding men who deserve to be followed,thank you!

The scriptures speak of things getting worse and worse, and if you read carefully, it’s not talking about the world, but the church and the leaders in the church!

To be sure, when it came to the common people, Jesus was the “Humble Servant.” His ministry to them was marked with compassion.  He “was moved with compassion for them.”

He gave the gospel to them. 

He fed them.

He healed them.

He wept with them.

He spoke gently and mildly to them.  “Martha, Martha,”………”Simon, Simon.”

He identified with the people and knew many were distressed,

as sheep not having a shepherd.

When it came to the common people, Jesus ministered to them in meekness and gentleness, as His words showed.

But when it came to those in the church; when it came to the “great ones”; when it came to the church leaders and so-called experts in the law, something changed.

His ways, His mannerisms, His countenance, His words “EXPLODED.”

In all of His confrontations with the church leaders, you could see the difference in His whole attitude, especially in His words.  Jesus was exposing their evils. He was exposing their false teachings and hypocrisy like no one ever did before.  And in so doing, many others were starting to “see the light.” 

His words were as the voice of a trumpet.

Likewise today, there is much evil lurking in many churches and in those in positions of “church leadership.” The unbiblical authoritarianism and spiritual abuse within the ranks of the so-called “eldership” is rampant.  

The hijacking of many marriages by these wolves in sheep’s clothing resulting in the destruction of many lives is evil beyond words. 

To speak of these atrocities in anything less than an angry, forceful tone would be almost impossible.  Anger doesn’t have to be sin, just like God’s anger that is mentioned probably hundreds of times in the scriptures, is not sin.

Perhaps the time has come for some others to express a little anger at what is going on with these wicked shepherds who are killing and scattering God’s flockfor their own power and glory and ego!

Perhaps the time has come for some others to express a little anger at these spiritual  monsters who deliver their poisonous and blasphemous theology to so many unsuspecting souls, parents, and innocent children.

Yes, as we speak, there are many WHO KNOW what is going on.

As we speak, there are those in the church today who would readily stand up and say “NO”to the spiritual bullies and to flee from them and to deny them their control over them! Yet, for some, they also know that to do this would only invite persecution and a living death.  So they remain.

But wouldn’t you rather suffer the former than to loose your soul and deny your Savior and Heavenly Father?

Many choose serving their spiritual bullies, thinking all the while they are serving their Lord.

Some also think that it’s wrong to name these people. They call it “spreading evil” or “trying to restrict this evil to only certain individuals and places.”  As has been said over and over on this website, this is a world wide evil that is taking place.

And what do the Scriptures say of this anyway?

Look through the letters of the Apostle Paul.  Many times he mentions specific individuals by name.

                               Galatians 2:11ff  “But when Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him

                               to his face, because he was to be blamed……and I said to Peter before them all….”

                              1 Timothy 1;19ff  “…which some made ship wreck concerning the faith,

                              of whom are Hymeneus and Alexander…..”

                              2 Timothy 2:17ff  “…and their word will have growth like gangrene – of

                              whom is Hymeneus and Philetus, who missed the mark concerning the truth…”

                              2 Timothy 4:10 “…for Demas deserted me, loving the present age…”

                              2 Timothy 4:14-15  “Alexander the coppersmith showed many

                              evil things to me.  The Lord will give to him according to his works. 

                              You also guard against him, for he greatly resisted our words.”

In 3 John verse 9, John named Diotrephes as one who does not receive the brothers, but throws them out of the assembly.

Jude exposes the errors of Balaam in verse 11.

In Revelation Chapter 2, twice the Nicolaitans are singled out and the warning is given concerning their works and their teaching.

And there are many from the Old Testament too.

We are living in a day when false teachers and their dastardly deeds abound.  A faithful messenger will warn those in the churches.   They will identify these churches by name, as well as their “leaders,” calling a spade a spade.Just like the Lord Jesus did; just like the Apostle Paul did, and others as well.

People’s lives are being destroyed.  Marriages are being destroyed.  It’s not enough to just “generalize” a situation or play games and “hint” at what is being said.  Are there any faithful messengers around anymore?

Ken Cascio

Webmaster

An Answer to Choo Thomas Defenders

Dale Schauer has written another article in response to Choo Thomas. Once again, please do not leave me comments in trying to uphold her. Brother Dale has done an exhaustive work in explaining the truth and I refuse to keep going around the same old mountain. Many people have been able to see the truth and have ran from her heresy. As for those who still want to cling to her delusions as THE truth, you are free to leave this place and believe what you will. But know this: you have been told the truth.

http://annointing.wordpress.com/2012/12/03/balaams-in-the-end-times/

Let’s review some grounded facts. First, the Lord God of Israel is sovereign and supreme over all. He can take the bad and can take unclean vessels and turn it around and use it for good (Romans 8:28). Second, His written Word the Bible is infallible and is to be our only true guide on how to live our lives. Third, we are living in the very last days where it is prophesied in the Bible that many false prophets will arise who will deceive even the most discerning if the days are not shortened. Fourth, Born Again Christians are to test everything and hold onto only those things that are totally true and good. With those four facts to stand on, we can now move on.

I received a comment from someone who supports the book ‘Heaven Is So Real’ by Choo Thomas. They stated that they were brought closer to God and repented of their sins after reading the book. I would now like to state some further facts. First, Choo claims that it is Jesus’ end time book and that it is a book of truth. Second, Choo’s book is filled from one end to the other with deception that is in direct opposition to what the Bible teaches (see PDF at at http://annointing.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/concerns-about-heaven-is-so-real.pdf

). Third, my Christian walk has been inspired by many secular books and movies. They have a way of pricking my conscience that the Holy Spirit then takes and uses it for good in my life. What makes these sources different is that they do not claim truth like Choo does for her book.

Now to get down to the bare bones of how we should treat Choo’s book as Christians. Because Choo’s book claims to be fact and in reality it is filled with deception, we are to stay clear of it and point out its deception to other believers. To promote it is sin.

Do you realize that God can use anyone for His glory? Remember Balaam? God used Balaam, a pagan prophet who was hired by Balak, to share with Balak the blessings that He intended for Israel. Balaam had just seen God speak through his donkey. After hearing the donkey speak, God opened Balaam’s eyes (Numbers 22:31) and effectively made Balaam understand that God and God alone would give him the words to speak to Balak. There were 7 prophecies Balaam gave to Balak in Numbers 23-24. Remember that Balak had offered to pay Balaam to contact the gods and curse Israel. After all, that was what Balaam was known for in all the land. However, Balaam did nothing of the sort this time as he allowed God to speak through him 7 different times, all of which were blessings rather than curses on the nation of Israel. After Balak realized he wasn’t getting what he wanted he sent Balaam on his way without paying him (Numbers 24:11). Later Balaam caused the Israelites to sin through his counsel (Numbers 31:16). These exploits later cost him his life (Joshua 13:22). We are warned three times throughout the New Testament to stay away from the errors of Balaam.

Judas Iscariot was a New Testament Balaam. There are many preachers in Hell right now who have led many souls to Christ during their time on earth. Paul warns, “But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified. (I Corinthians 9:27)”

Choo Thomas has gone the way of Balaam. She has placed a stumbling block before the children of God (Revelation 2:14). The book she wrote, “Heaven Is So Real’ clearly was not given to her by The Lord Jesus Christ. 100% proof of this is that it does not line up with the Word of God (see the PDF). As to being brought closer to God, and repenting of one’s sins after reading the book, as one commenter to my post wrote me, is just simply testimony that God can turn Satan’s devices around and use it for His glory. Remember, it all boils down to Jesus, and not to Choo Thomas or her book.

Unfortunately there are many Balaams that have infiltrated Christianity in the age we are living. Do not forget that we are accountable to use discernment. All things that claim to line up with the Word of God and fall short by even 1 percent we are to turn away from. Satan misused Scripture when tempting Jesus. Even though Satan quoted the Scripture correctly, he was rebuked because he twisted it. The commenter needs to give glory to Jesus and not support the book in any way. It does not get any clearer than 1 Thessalonians 5:21 that says, “Test all things; hold fast what is good.”

Numerous testimonies abound from Christians who suffered depression and confusion after reading ‘Heaven is so Real’. James 3:17 clearly states, “But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.”

To those who may have been touched by Choo’s book, a message of warning: let’s never get caught up in the worldly concept ‘The End Justifies The Means’ as far as it pertains to human efforts. Our job as Christians is to seek for Holy Spirit discernment on how to witness to people. Jude verses 22-23 says, “And on some have compassion, making a distinction; but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh.”

Cult Leader Thinks He’s Jesus

“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand.

“Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.   — Matthew 24:23 – 26 –

When asked questions, this messiah’s answers were vague and nonsensical.

When asked what was his favorite food: “It would be difficult for me to say something you would understand. I interpret things differently.”

Seems to me like the real Jesus, who knows all things, would be able to describe to a puny little human being in a way where he would understand. This is a tactic to make one’s self appear much more important, much more evolved than the average human being. But the truth of the matter is, this jesus is nothing but a mere man, who has found ways to deceive many people.

When asked by the interviewer, “Just meeting me briefly, can you tell me any thing about my soul?”

“I can feel a person, but can not define the features. They are undefined. It depends upon what you want to hear.”

You mean to tell me that Jesus would not be able to see and know all things about one’s soul?

I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. — John 10:14 — (Jesus)

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. — John 10:27 –

“If you could tell one bit of advice, that of yours here, could follow, relatively easy, what would it be?”

“Do not try to be superior among the people around you. That intention leads to death.”

In other words: “It is ok for me to be worshipped. But you, you must submit yourself to my every ordinance while I live as a king/messiah among you.”

Very hypocritical, don’t you think?

Actually, in some ways, this is not any worse than what is going on in a lot of mainstream churches of today. Some people have made their pastor an idol, becoming totally dependent upon him for every word. They get so involved in church and church activities they have no room for anything else in their life. If that too is not cultic, I don’t know what it is.

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Deep in Siberia’s Taiga forest is Vissarion, a cult leader who looks like Jesus and claims to be the voice of God. He’s known as “the Teacher” to his 4,000 followers, who initially seem surprisingly normal. Over time, however, their unflinching belief in UFOs and the Earth’s imminent demise made this group start to look more and more like some sort of strange cult.

Mormonism is not the problem — Lukewarm Christianity is the Problem

Recently someone made the comment on a social network that Mormonism is more dangerous than Satanism. I have to disagree. Satanism – a religion that teaches self-indulgence, points to self, makes up your own rules for each individual, each individual doing their own thing with no absolutes– is more dangerous in my opinion. With that being said, America is already practicing Satanism. However, if you want to talk about the danger of a Mormon revival in the land, then yes, that is dangerous. Very dangerous.

I may be wrong, but I suspect that if Mitt Romney gets in the Whitehouse, there may be a Mormon revival of sorts. People who have had no religion or Biblical knowledge, perhaps liking his values of decency, hard work and personal responsibilty, may look upon the man and decide to take on his religion. This would be very deadly for any of us who believe that Mormonism is NOT the true Gospel, but one who has it’s roots in golden tablets, an angel named Moroni and a false prophet named Joseph Smith. No one and I mean no one can believe the Bible is the absolute Word of God and embrace Mormonism as the truth of God. It is not possible.

Even so, the bigger problem still is not Mormonism. The problem is lukewarm Christianity that refuses to look deception in the face and call it out. This will be the greater danger. When/if Christians fail to speak the truth, they have compromised the truth. Making it of little importance and thus helping many to enter hell with a false gospel.

Don’t be a Joel Osteen.

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We’re Not Listening And You Can’t Make Us!

http://truthwatch.info/articles/were-not-listening/

Answering the Objections of Modern Apostles, Prophets, and Their Defenders – by Keith Gibson

In dealing with the new “apostles” and “prophets” as well as with their followers, one quickly encounters a problem. They do not wish to listen. In fact, the “prophetic movement” has developed an entire series of pat answers and knee-jerk reactions to those raising concerns about their teachings that makes any substantive dialogue on the actual issues themselves virtually impossible. Not only have modern prophets filled the church with extra-biblical and unbiblical revelations and doctrines, leading many away from the pure faith, but they have also insulated themselves from any correction by the larger body of Christ. These straw-men arguments and red herrings… must be refuted before any significant progress can be made on the larger issues.

The Martyrdom Complex

Martyrdom is a powerful symbol in religion. The person claiming martyr status becomes untouchable, unquestionable. Further, it immediately positions the one doing the challenging as evil, a Nazi, or worse… I have noticed a similar trend among many within the prophetic movement… To confront them is to persecute them.

Prophetess Victoria Boyson does this repeatedly. In two different prophetic messages (“The Religious Spirit that Seeks to Convince Us It Is God” and “Warriors of Truth”) she claims that those who “speak against” other Christians release demonic activity against their lives.

Or consider the words of Rick Joyner:

Two ministries go on continually before God’s throne: One is the ministry of intercession, the other is accusation… Satan…is called “the accuser of the brethren,” and we are told that his ministry goes on “day and night” before the throne of God (Rv. 12:10). How can Satan continue to accuse the saints before God if he has been thrown out of heaven and no longer has access to the throne? The answer: Satan uses the saints, who do have access to the throne, to do this diabolical work for him. (A Prophetic Vision for the 21st Century, Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1999, pp.38-39)

Moving past Joyner’s interesting speculation that it is actually through the words of Christians that Satan accuses the brethren before the throne, the central point is obvious: any form of criticism is the devil’s work… Joyner deflects any and all criticism by attributing it to satanically inspired persecution. In his ["visionary"] book The Final Quest, upon seeing a vast army of Christians under the control of the devil, Joyner hears the voice of the Lord state, “This is Satan’s ultimate deception. His ultimate power of destruction is released when he uses Christians to attack one another.” [The result of all this] is that no meaningful dialogue can take place when one of the parties is playing the victim. Even in the culture at large, victims get a pass.

The New Testament, however, does not support this assumption that disagreeing with a teacher’s doctrine is tantamount to persecuting them. There are numerous examples of the apostles warning against false teachers and even at times calling them out by name in order to protect the rest of the body–and this is never equated with persecution (2 Timothy 1:15, 17-18; 4:9, 14-15; 1 Corinthians 15; 3 John 9, etc…).

Appeal to Unity

Another common tactic employed by today’s prophets and apostles is to accuse those who attempt to correct false doctrine of being divisive, of sowing discord among the brothers. In his book Overcoming Evil in the Last Days, Joyner impugns the motives of those who would dare to be concerned about false teaching creeping into the church: “Although this spirit usually comes in the guise of protecting the sheep, the truth, or the Lord’s glory, it is an evil, critical spirit that will always end up causing division and destruction.”

Unity within the body is very important. Jesus prayed that we may be one just as He and the Father are one. Paul makes a powerful appeal for unity in Ephesians 4. It is a serious issue. But biblical unity is a unity based on truth, not in opposition to it. The Bible does not advocate peace at any price…

“You’re a Pharisee!”

Joyner devotes an entire third of Overcoming Evil to the subject of the “religious spirit”:

The Lord had little trouble with demons while He walked on earth. They quickly recognized His authority and begged for mercy. It was the conservative, zealous, religious community that immediately became His greatest enemy. Those who were the most zealous for the Word of God crucified the Word Himself when He became flesh to walk among them. The same is still true [today]. (Destiny Image Publishers, 2003, pp. 133)

…Because Joyner mentions no names specifically, he can feel that he is staying above the fray and is not guilty of the very thing that he is condemning. In Joyner’s system, to stand squarely on the truth of God’s Word is to be a Pharisee and a potential enemy of God, even worse trouble than a demon…

The charge of being a Pharisee is extremely emotionally powerful–for the Pharisees stand among the worst of the bad guys in the NT. This is doubly true when it is combined with the rhetoric that it was the Pharisees who killed Christ. Mike Bickle demonstrates this attack well when he states, “It was the ones pressing into biblical orthodoxy that murdered Christ.” So, to be passionate about the truth is to be a Pharisee and a Christ-killer…

Were the Pharisees those who were biblically orthodox?… A careful study of Scripture [reveals that] the problem with the Pharisees is not that they held the Scriptures in too high esteem, but rather they were perfectly willing to cancel them out in favor of their own doctrines… (Matthew 15:1-9, John 5:45-47)… The problem was not their adherence to the Bible but rather their adherence to their own doctrines, devised by men… We see much the same thing happening in the prophetic movement. We see a host of teachers inventing new doctrines that are completely unsubstantiated by Scripture and then presenting them as fact even if they contradict the direct teachings of the Word of God… It is not those who cling to the revealed truth of God found in the Scripture who are the true spiritual descendants of the Pharisees.

Selective Listening

Of course, another way to refuse to deal with those who raise concerns about [false] teachings is simply to ignore them. In an interview with Charisma magazine, when asked about those who have concerns about his false prophecies, doctrines, and involvement with the Knights of Malta, Rick Joyner replied, “I’m not going to listen to people I think aren’t legitimate leaders in the body of Christ.”… Joyner [and countless others] have thus positioned [themselves] above correction.

Other prophets have taught that a prophet can only be corrected by someone who also has [equal] or greater status. Since most of the teachers in the evangelical and protestant world would never claim to be prophets or apostles, this essentially means that modern prophets are completely uncorrectable by the vast majority of the church!

Demonize the Opposition

Another common strategy employed by the modern prophets to deflect scrutiny away from their unbiblical teaching is to begin to discuss some kind of demonic influence in the person raising the concern… This usually comes in the form of the “Jezebel spirit,” the “religious spirit,” and “the accuser of the brethren.” All of these entities are defined differently by the various prophets, but it is certain that they are very bad. The religious spirit is generally applied to anyone who attempts to ask questions like, “Why hasn’t the church ever believed this before?” or “Where is the doctrinal basis for these new practices?” The person is immediately painted as someone who is stuck in the “old wineskins” and is not responding to the new things that God is doing.

A religious spirit will usually give a counterfeit gift of discernment of spirits. This counterfeit gift thrives on seeing what is wrong with others rather than seeing what God is doing so that we can help them along… Though the truth may be accurate, it is ministered in a spirit that kills. (Overcoming the Religious Spirit, MorningStar Publications, 1996, Fourth Printing 2002, pp. 21-22)

…But far and away, the most common demon that one can anticipate being accused of [operating under] is the Jezebel spirit. The Jezebel spirit is generally… applied to those who will not respond to the authority of these new apostles and prophets. As one prophetic disciple expressed to me, Jezebel sought to control the king, and she attacked the prophets of God. Joyner states:

Basically, the spirit of the Jezebel is a combination of the religious spirit and the spirit of witchcraft that is the spirit of manipulation and control… This spirit attacks the prophetic ministry because that has always been the primary way in which the Lord gives timely, strategic direction to His people. (A Prophetic Vision for the 21st Century, Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1999, p. 148)

…The effect of this argument is generally exactly what the prophet desired [to instill]: a fear among God’s people to examine the “revelations” of the prophet [as] the light of God’s revealed Word, and silence when the new teachings fail to pass the test.

“Don’t Put God in a Box!”

So you think that manifestations like spiritual drunkenness, jerking, roaring, barking, and crawling around like an animal don’t seem consistent with God’s revelation of Himself and His instructions to the church given in Scripture? You are concerned that Ekstasis worship seems more like the trance states induced in pagan worship practices? Well, this is the answer for you: You’re trying to put God in a box. You are trying to dictate and limit what God can and can’t do.

The power of this argument stems from the fact that the Scriptures portray God as an awesome Being who does amazing and unexpected things, who is not formulaic in His ways. The net result of the argument, though, is an “anything goes” approach to divine activity. As long as the worshipper himself/herself feels good about what is happening, the source is assumed to be God–and no one can state differently.

But the question is not one of trying to box God in but rather one of taking God at His word. If God has said that He is not the author of confusion in the worship service but of peace (1 Corinthians 14) can we believe that or not? If it is true, then doesn’t that give us guidelines for determining that some manifestations are contrary to God’s nature as He has revealed it Himself? Are the Scriptures truly sufficient as they claim? If this is so, then won’t they give us the parameters for the activities of the Holy Spirit? Shouldn’t we apply these parameters in evaluating the modern manifestations? Taking God at His word is the essence of faith. It [doesn't mean we are] limiting God [if we] seek to live and worship according to the boundaries He has established. God has given these boundaries and warnings for the protection of His people… so that we can determine what is and what is not from Him.

“God Offends the Mind to Reveal the Heart”

[These leaders] imply that if you are not willing to shelve your brain and follow along, you have a heart problem. But the Bible… does not treat the intellect as a problem. The heart and mind are frequently used interchangeably in Scripture. [The statement "God offends the mind to reveal the heart"] is a doctrine written by modern apostles and repeated so frequently that it has gained acceptance among the biblically illiterate…. In reality, this is just the modern apostle/prophet’s way of saying, “You think too much. Just go with the flow and see where it leads.” Once again, the underlying message is crystal clear. Don’t think. Don’t question. This approach to Christianity is both unbiblical and unwise.

“God’s Gonna Judge You!”

If the attempt at silencing their critics through guilt doesn’t work, the modern prophets will move to intimidation: “God will judge you!” Look at the words of apostolic pastor Dutch Sheets in a prophecy about the “Shift in 2006″:

Those who refuse to move in current truth will begin to openly criticize leaders in the Body of Christ that are moving in the flow of the apostolic and the prophetic… When they do, God is going to begin to judge them.

This warning by Dutch Sheets would actually make sense if these modern apostles and prophets were truly in the mold of the Old Testament prophets or New Testament apostles. These men spoke with God’s authority. To reject their word was to reject the Word of God. But since today’s apostles and prophets are frequently wrong and will not subject themselves to the biblical tests, they are engaged in something far different.

By attacking anyone who expresses concern based on doctrinal issues, the modern prophets have created an environment of passive acceptance. They place themselves above rebuke and correction, even from the Word of God. [Tragically], this may truly lead to a case of the blind leading the blind.

More Discernment on angel feathers, glory clouds, etc.

It’s been a while since I’ve put one of these up. It’s self explanatory. So I will not do any open commenting on it. However, feel free to leave comments of your won, except for those who want to uphold the false signs and wonders movement.
I will not post those and will not answer them as the truth is pretty much stated in the video.

BillyVeePersonal:

Pat Robertson does not care how hungry your family gets

I put the following two videos out for one reason: A lot of people are facing hard economical times. Those who aren’t, will. The church has been taught the FALSE doctrine of “tithing,” therefore giving their money to many false teachers/preachers helping them to live off the fat of the sheep, living extravagant lifestyles. No where in God’s Word are we taught such a thing.

http://redeemedhippiesplace.wordpress.com/2012/07/14/the-truth-behind-tithing/

RWWblog:

“If you really want His blessing, be faithful with your tithe. And then you’ve got God as your financial partner and you have every reason to ask him for His blessing.”

Really? Where does the Word teach that? Jesus said, “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.” — Luke 11:9,10 – I see no mention of Jesus saying anything about tithing. He simply said, ask, seek and knock. But so many today have been bewitched into superstition by greedy men. If you are a child of God, you have every right to ask Him for a blessing on your life. His blessing you is not contiguent on if you tithe or not.

“I don’t think you’re managing your money properly…..what can I cut back …am I living too big a house, have I bought too much car… I think you just need some financial help…”

What Robertson thinks is not important. What is important are you able to feed your family? Are you able to pay your bills?  In the meantime it is ok for Robertson to have how many cars? How many houses, boats or planes?

Don’t get me wrong. I do not begrudge anyone who has wealth as long as they have earned it honestly and respectfully. But for a man like Robertson whose income comes from tithes, books and CD’s he may make on any number of subjects, then to expect YOU to continue to give to him or any other man while your family has to do without, is WRONG. Flat out wrong. Show me where preachers or ANY man should have that kind of priority in your life.

Then there is this little piece of lying manipulation.

But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. — 1 Timothy5:8 –

Pat Robertson causes men to become worse than an unbeliever. Men like him are stumbling blocks to those who are trying to do what is best for their family. 

If anyone lets the likes of Pat Robertson or any other man put a yoke upon you by telling you you must give to them — especially while your family does without — then you have just let allowed yourself to become worse than an unbeliever.

Who is deciding what you believe? Oprah, Joel Osteen or GOD?

The world and the church are being indoctrianted for what will be the new religion one day. Lucierferism, Satanism, Secularism, Humanism. A “religion” with no absolutes. Other than the one absolute they teach which is all roads lead to God.

Who is your teacher? The likes of Oprah, Joel Osteen or God?

Do not be afraid to test this. Just make sure God’s Word is your plumbline. Anything else, will lead you astray.

Know this: who and what you believe does determine where you will spend eternity. So which is it? The ear-tickling star-studded sugar coating liars of today? OR GOD? Your choice. 

Think not that you have a problem with me, if you refuse to see the truth. Instead, you have a problem with God.

Choo Thomas Herself

If you are interested, please watch. If you have any comments, feel free to leave them, but please know I will NOT allow comments from those who want to defend her. I’m tired of debating those who just will not accept the truth. Take your times and listen. See if you can discern the deception. I’ll start off by asking what in the world is that creepy high frequency noise in the back ground all about? And the constant rocking?

Do not be deceived that this woman is any more spiritual than you. If you are testing things, then you are doing what God has commanded us to do.

Part one:

Believing the Devils lies more than God’s Truth

Following article gotten here:

http://www.letusreason.org/bookR19.htm

RedeemedHippie: Please be aware I will not be allowing comments who still want to defend Choo Thomas. If you need further explanation, find the sidebar on the right that addresses this issue.

What’s it like to go to heaven? Paul an apostle went and gave no description to the church. John was there and gave but a few details. Apparently these were not enough for a people that are supposed to be trained to walk by faith on earth; that is why Jesus chose new believer Choo Thomas to write her “NEW book” on going to heaven.

Choo claims that she became a Christian in 1992, “I literally fell in love with Jesus after I went to church a few times and I wanted to give every area of my being to Him the rest of my life.”

Two years later, she saw Jesus’ visible presence at a Neighborhood Assembly of God in Tacoma, Washington and in 1995, she began having physical manifestations from the Holy Spirit. In 1996, the Lord Jesus escorted Choo into heaven and told her to record what she has seen and heard, bringing forth the book, “Heaven is so Real”.

This book was published in October, 2003. The forward is by the “REV. DR.” Yonggi Cho of Korea (this presents a problem immediately to anyone aware of Cho’s teachings- he mixes Christianity with Buddhism and new age concepts). Dr. Yonggi Cho translated her book over two months. “So, the day the book was printed, and it exploded in Korea and is number one bestseller there. And almighty God using Dr. Youggi Cho such awesome way. He has almost 800, 000 members in his church, so God is using him for this book, he chose him for this book.”

This book has found itself in the top 10 of Christian charismatic books. It is an international bestseller in the year it was published. On her website – the September issue of Charisma and Christian life magazine the book “Heaven is so real” is listed as #7 in the top 10 sellers of Christian Charismatic books.

This is very disappointing to hear how gullible and naïve charismatics can be. To buy this book and believe its content is outrageous because it’s an obvious fraud. What alarms me is how one can present a truth from the bible and call their experience the word from Jesus and make their experience the superior truth.

Choo Thomas also sings Holy Songs (Heavenly songs) Choo Thomas’ spirital song, inspired by the Holy Spirit, is now available for download. The song is 1 hour long.

The singing sounds like some new age mantra. I’m not sure what language this is in, if it is a language or just eerie sounds –in some ways it is reminiscent of Yoko Ono. Listen to this for an a hour and you will have entered a altered state. She also has holy dancing after her trips to Heaven and Hell

Her website links and promotes Rick Joyner’s book the Final Quest; Mary Baxter’s book the Divine Revelation of Hell; 23 minutes in Hell by Bill Wiese as well as others of this sort. What is also linked to Choo Thomas’ website is Dr. Aiko who is pictured with Yonngi Cho and Jack Hayford. What she has to say is also a blend of new age concepts, other religious ideas with Christianity (i.e. laser prayers).

From the start, none of this is healthy for someone who wants the truth found in God’s word from His mouth. We are in an outbreak of new age assaults and lying signs and wonders- people are going to heaven more often than the space shuttle goes to space. It is all very Unbelievable- and I will prove it.

A Vision And the Fire of God

She says “I received the fire of the Holy Spirit while I was praying at home in January 1994. About a month later, I saw the Lord’s presence while I was worshiping at the Neighborhood Assembly of God in Tacoma,

Washington. He was sitting by the pulpit. His legs were crossed, and I could see Him as clearly as a real person, except I couldn’t see His face. As I perceived Him, He had silky white hair and was wearing a pure white robe. His person was visible to me for almost five minutes. After seeing Him my body was on fire with unspeakable joy, and I became wholeheartedly committed to Jesus. Soon after this life-changing experience, my family and I began attending Puget Sound Christian Center in Tacoma, Washington.

The Lord sitting at the pulpit with his legs crossed? She is the only one to see him in his special appearance!

Her testimony is revealing because she describes herself “watching a Benny Hinn crusade on television, I stood up and lifted my hands in prayer. Then I fell on the floor for almost three hours. The anointing of God’s Holy Spirit was so strong that I couldn’t get up, and all I could do was sing and talk in tongues and laugh”

It is Benny Hinn who continually talks about seeing the Lord when he prays, and he has appeared in his room. So it is not surprising to see the affect of his influence on those who adore him.

Hinn says: I really believe it was the moment that God began moving in my life….I saw Jesus walk into my bedroom.  He was wearing a robe that was whiter than white and a deep red mantle was draped over the robe.”

“When I talk to the Lord, He comes, … most times, I see Him wearing a blue, beautiful, almost like a – like a silkish looking garment. And under it would be a white garment. Sometimes I’d see Him wear white and a scarlet garment…”

Those who follow mystics like Hinn can certainly have the same spiritual delusion operating in their lives, it is catchy.

Choo tells us, through a prophetic utterance given by a pastor named Larry Randolph, God spoke directly to me on December 3, 1995. Pastor Randolph prophesied:

I saw the blessing of the Lord in the realm of prophetic ministry and the Lord opening your spirit in a great way to prophetic ministry, dreams and words of knowledge . . . I saw the Lord speaking to you in the night seasons, between 11 p.m. and 3 a.m. . . . [He will] begin to awaken you and visit you, give you dreams, visions and insight . . . God told me that you’re one of the daughters that He’s put His Spirit upon to prophesy.

(Pastor Randolph at Puget Sound Christian Center in Tacoma, Washington)

She states as he spoke “my body began to shiver and quake under the power of God. she then says I was reminded of the words of the prophet Joel: Joel 2:28–30 she wondered, if she was to be one of the Lord’s special maidservants who would see wonders in heaven and earth? What an honor to be selected as a vessel of the Lord’s love, grace and power in these last days.”

She explains Pastor Randolph: It’s not showing off what God gives you; it’s keeping secrets. God’s going to tell you things about people that you’ll never tell people. You’ll pray for and intercede [for them], and hold them up in prayer because you’re going to be a friend of God—and that’s a true prophet. It’s just a friend of God. A friend of God. He’s going to tell you secrets about other people’s lives and about things He’s doing in the earth. So, get ready in 1996 for a fresh anointing of the prophetic to come upon your life. And in the new year, as you wait before the Lord, God’s going to put a fresh Spirit upon you, an anointing of prophecy is going to come upon you.”

By this prophecy and other events she is being led into an area she is unable to cope with correctly. Instead of the secrets of people being revealed, which would be overwhelming enough, she is given something far more grave – going to heaven. Not once but 17 times.

She admits “I didn’t do any full-time church work or know many of God’s words, but He chose me for His special work anyway. By showing me heaven and all the other visions I have been privileged to experience, He began to prepare me for the ministry He has called me to” (p.3 On Heaven’s Road)

Convinced she is chosen to have a special work before she is grounded in God’s word does present an immediate problem. The stage is set for her to be used by a supernatural experience that will not coincide with the Bible at all but will become an influence to other non-grounded people in the church.

A message from Choo Thomas regarding “Heaven is so Real” she writes:

Dear Pastor and Readers,
Greetings to you in the name of our Lord Jesus.
Heaven is so Real is our Lord’s end time book. He only used my body to write this book. He wants all believers and unbelievers to read it and prepare for His coming.”

She goes on to say He also said, that any pastor who reads this book, must share it with their congregations. He wants all the church body to see His face when we get to heaven.” Are we to be depenedent on her book to have people get to heaven? What happened to reading the Bible. It seems that every person who supposedly goes to heaven (or hell) has the same statments – read my words. As if their new revelation supercedes the one Jesus gave his appointed apostles. Who of his church body is not going to heaven? This makes no sense for Jesus to say this.

She also says “and showed me hell twice. He also showed me things during the time of the tribulation, after He took His people to heaven.” After the end of all these visions, He showed me the rapturing. …When you read this book you will see how the Lord took care of this book from the beginning to end of publishing.
I only wrote down what He showed me and told me. This book is a great tool for the salvation of souls.”

Again, what about using the Bible? She also gives testimony of all the people being brought to the Lord from her book. This is self- engratiating. She talks about her nine year old granddaughter who read this book and is continually talking about this book to others. … “She is so anointed by this book that she started with Genesis and is reading the whole Bible. “

Maybe she should have started with the Bible before this book! By the way how do you get anointed from a book? I wonder if she even understands what the anointing is.

In her epilogue she states: “I believe so many readers have felt that they have been with Jesus in heaven and had seen the things the Lord showed me with this book. That is why they received an anointing from this book.”We receive the Holy Spirit from a book! Especially one other than the Bible- the Bible says Jesus is the baptizer of the Holy Spirit and wants us to believe and live the words He gave through His apostles. I don’t see any statement from Jesus about others coiming with more revelation from Him for the church at the end of time. What I do read is his warning, that many will come in his name- to decieve, because they are deceived.

She describes supernatural events from reading her book. “Some say strange things happen to their bodies like their stomach getting tight and some received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. All these things are happening to people because it is our Lord Jesus’ book. As He has said this from the beginning, He has put a special anointing on this book so that people will be convicted and transform and He will be everything to them.”

please read this book more than once! If you don’t have a desire to read it, please put your hands on the book and pray in the name of Jesus for His understanding. The devil hates this book because it is Jesus’. I have heard that some people are so hungry for this book, even after they read it several times, they carry it wherever they go. Some, even after reading it, don’t have much to say about it. The reason this really bothers me is because the Lord told me that the only people who will love this book are those who love Him and are ready and waiting for His coming.”

Well I have to say that is is pure intimidation to accept her book and I’m going on record calling this fraud. Jesus did not pick this woman and dozens of others who are all essentially saying the same things ABOUT THEIR BOOK) That if you don’t love her words you don’t love Jesus and are not waiting for his coming. That is disgusting to me.

“Our Lord Jesus loves each and every one of us so much that He chose me for this book to give His people one last chance to prepare before He comes for us. For those who don’t know much about the bible, some things are not that clear in the bible; (remember John 14:3) “and if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am”. That is the reason He chose me for His end time work.” (end of epilogue quotes).

So in essence she is going to make things clearer with her experience and new revelation that goes beyond the pages of Holy Writ. And we have no choice but accept it or we are not loving the Lord.

This is not even presenting an equality with Scripture but a superiority because Jesus chose her to write it.  In her book she writes “My daughter, you are an End-Times prophetess,’ the Lord told me, “and you are living proof of My Word and My prophecies…” (p. 168). “He wants me to serve as living proof of the Bible and His prophecies, because many people do not believe what they read in the Bible, nor do they believe He is coming soon for His people” (p. 177). “He had shown me how desperate many people are to know the truth about heaven, and I realized emphatically that my book would be the means whereby they could really know” (p.124).

Her book will be the vehicle God will tell people the truth about heaven, is not the Bible able to do this? Of course it is; it has been doing this for thousands of years long before her book came to print.

Here’s more: “Every word in this book is true.  The words of Jesus have been transcribed exactly as He said them to me” (p. 153). Then this should be added to the Bible because it is a direct revelation like John the apostle wrote in the book of Revelation on Jesus. In fact she says this: “Like John, I had been called to write, and my mission was the same as his-to let people know that the marriage supper of the Lamb has already been prepared, and blessed are those who are invited to be there on the last day”  (p.129).

If one is claiming that new truth had been communicated by inspiration or experience, they are adding to god’s word. Here, the true Jesus tells us about His final revelation- Revelation 22:18: “For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book.”

Her message continues:

“When you read this book, you will know that it is not easy to see our Lord’s face.
“I know how hard it is to enter His Kingdom. Pastors, please read each and every page of this book very seriously for you and your loved ones and believe everything in this book, as it is written, and as you prepare for our Lord’s soon coming and also please promote this book for our Lord’s glory. He spent countless hours with me for this book.”
”Remember, none of our salvations are secure until the end. (“A message from Choo Thomas regarding “Heaven is so Real”)

Now that we understand how this book is being lifted up as God’s new word to us, it is implied that we are unable to question its veracity. This is quite arrogant. Your salvation is not secure because she does not see it as being by grace through faith.  She explains “Innocence, trust, purity of heart, fascination, a sense of wonder, belief, joy, happiness, present-moment living-all these are some of the magical qualities of childhood that God wants us to exhibit to GET TO HEAVEN” (p. 133).

You may have thought it was by grace and faith through the work of Jesus, but according to the Jesus she met, you are wrong. This is all tied to the new words Jesus gave her about heaven; it’s a catch 22. If you don’t believe her book then you do not have the qualities of a child and are unfit for heaven.

This transcript is of Choo Thomas to heaven is from a video (this needs to be seen to understand her mannerisms and speech) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8642465773795515476&q=Choo+Thomas

“The Lord Jesus Himself took me to heaven seventeen times with my transformed body, like when I was 15 or 16 years old. Before this, He prepared everything step-by-step. 1994 He anointed me my entire body with Holy Fire, then a month later, He showed me with His visual presence at the church during worship service. Then 1995, Easter Sunday, He anointed me with shaking body and ever since, my body shakes at the church, during my prayer time. You see, my body is moving back and forth right now, if I don’t do this, my stomach get very tight and it feel like exploding; that’s why I’m moving back and forth. So please don’t think anything wrong with my body. That’s the Holy Spirit doing this because I’m talking about Jesus, that’s why. And then, after this, He baptized me with Holy Spirit, with new tongues, Heavenly songs, Holy Laughter and I was so anointed for three hours and I was on the floor, I couldn’t get up because it was too powerful. After that, few months later, pastor Larry Randolf, he prophesized for me that he told me that the God wants to use me in such a special way. And all his prophecy was come true , thousand times, more. And after this, January, 1996 , Lord Jesus, He was visiting me with His visual presence. And He visited me for 10 times to tell me how He going to use, and the all the things, His plans and He was telling me about it, as in the book. But He didn’t tell me He was going to take me to Heaven. So, after 10 times, February 19, 96, He began to take me to Heaven with my transformed body, like His Spirit body, my body. Each time, before He took me to Heaven, He brought me to the beach, earthly beach. The very first time before he took me Heaven, He took me to one side of the beach He showed me small body of water crystal clear then He showed me huge shiny tunnel. So after that he took me to heaven.”

First she claims Jesus was visiting her with His visual presence 10 times. This is disturbing to hear what she is encountering because it certainly is not Jesus Christ who is at the right hand of the Father.

She commuted to heaven 17 times with her transformed body (but its reversed back each time on earth). I don’t think so! A transformed body means a resurrected body that makes one immortal. According to the Bible all believers get this body at the same time. Even those who are in heaven do not have their transformed body. We have to wait for the resurrection and rapture for the glorified body.

She says of this holy Fire “I received the fire of the Holy Spirit while I was praying at home in January 1994” (A Vision And the Fire of God).

There is no such thing as a holy fire anointing- in fact when one looks this reference up they find the disciples only experienced one baptism (the Bible tells us only one baptism- Spirit Eph.4:5). There is only one mention of this baptism of fire and it is not for believers Matt 3:11-12: “I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. “His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.” (also Luke 3:16-17) certainly a reference to Mt.25:41 ( also Mt.3:10; Rev.14:10).

We know this means judgment because John and Jesus explain it: He gathers “the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire.”

Luke 3:9, 17: “And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.” V.17 “His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire.”

Jesus said Acts 1:5 “for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Only the Holy Spirit is for believers, not the Holy Spirit plus fire. No believer was ever baptized in fire according to the Bible. God can purge things from our live and there are fiery trials but not a baptism of fire sent from heaven.

“the shaking body” she describes corresponds to the Toronto church manifestations that were taking place at this time (which Yonggi Cho prophesied about). “Ever since my body shakes at the church during prayer time”

She tells us that it is moving back and forth as seen on the video, if she does not do this her stomach gets very tight and it feel like it will explode, so she must move. This sounds demonically dictated- not a property of the Holy Spirit. Yet she assures people that there is nothing wrong- it is the Holy Spirit doing it because she is talking about Jesus” Yet no one through history ever had this effect from the Holy Spirit when they talk about Jesus (especially in the Bible). The Lord does not make you feel bad in the body to make you move like this. This is a Toronto experience. Each of her visits to heaven are acompanied by violent manifestations in which Choo loses control of her body.

On Easter Sunday 1995 while attending services at Puget Sound Christian Center, my body began to shake violently, and we had to stay for second service. I was experiencing the same phenomenon known among Quakers, Shakers and early Pentecostals. Since then, my body never stops shaking in church or during my prayer time at home.” (this is beginning to sound like Brownsville as well as Toronto)

Here are quotes from the book:

“On the night of January 19, the Lord’s presence was so intense in my bedroom that I shook, perspired and felt very weak for more than an hour”  (p. 7) “Because of the trembling of my body that always accompanied the Lord’s visits, Roger was now sleeping in the guest bedroom”  (p. 14) “During the night of February 12, my body shook more violently than it ever had.  I was almost hurled from the bed because it was so forceful.  I tried to grab the sheet to steady myself, but I couldn’t because I had no control over my body.  The shaking was unremittingly forceful, and I grew afraid.” (p. 17)

Her comment of being afraid is astute. She is so convinced this is the Lord that she cannot enetrtain any doubts despite the demonic nature of her exerience. To be hurled from the bed has much to do with the manifestations of the false revivals that have taken place and reminiscient of aka ‘the exorcist’ movie. This loss of control is the opposite effect of what the Holy Spirit does. “Sometimes the power of His anointing on my hands and arms is so strong that I feel as if my hands are actually breaking apart.  One Sunday morning my hand touched my eyes thirty-six times, and before each of these touches, my hands made seven different strange movements” (p. 205).

This is showing that she has a serious spiritual problem. Again, this is founded in the Toronto experience (Vineyard of John Arnott). It comes to no surprise to find out that she visited there and probably got the anointing that was passed on by the laying on hands of one of the leaders. Toronto Vineyard is a church where people were encouraged to act like animals, bark, roar, roll on the floor, cluck like chickens, pretend to fly- besides acting drunk. Not by any means a healthy atmosphere to grow in the truth of God’s word.

She mentions Larry Randolf- he is a Toronto Airport Vineyard leader who is totally involved in the Toronto church – “The thing he (Satan) is threatened by is what we’re carrying in the womb of our spirit: the seed of God… When God processes this thing and we come out the other end, we are going to be a people, one new man in the earth, that are going to exhibit and showcase the Kingdom of God in such a degree that the nations, kings are going to come to our feet and ask of us the things of God” (at the Toronto church, Nov. 18, 1994).

Typical statement from those in Kingdom Now theology. The context of Randolf’s teaching is that this process is taking place now, and the nations will submit to the church.

Maybe Randolph’s prophecy went something like this one “…You haven’t seen anything. God’s women are rising. The spirit of Debra’s falling on the women. The spirit of prophecy is coming upon the women. Signs and wonders and miracles…” (Larry Randolph, Renewal and Revival Today, Toronto Airport Vineyard, November 18, 1994).

She says she was later baptized with the Holy Spirit –having tongues and holy laughter. Again this laughter is not a Bible experience and was a manifestation from the false anointing at Toronto and from Rodney Howard Browne. There is no question there is something else operating here that is NOT the Holy Spirit.

After going through the tunnel, Choo writes:

“The Lord and I walked along the road that came down from the top of the hill. Eventually we reached a huge white gate that stood in front of a large white building. We walked through the gate and proceeded towards the white building. We entered and walked down a long corridor that led to a very large room. Which we entered . As I looked down, I realized for the first time that I was wearing a different robe than I had on at the beach, and I could feel something heavy was resting on my head. I reached up and discovered a beautiful crown had been placed there without my realizing it. Then I looked directly at the Lord. He was sitting on a throne, and He wore a radiant gown and golden crown. Others were there with me, kneeling on the floor and prostrating themselves before Him. The walls of the room were made of large shiny stones that glowed. The multicolored rocks provided an effect that made the room seem warm and happy, as well as mysterious. Then, just as quickly as I had been transported up the mountain and into the white building, I found myself on the beach again”.

This is nothing like what the Bible describes. While others are bowed in adoration she is not. She is able to look the Lord in the face. There is a problem with people who go to heaven have an unveiling of Jesus before the church does. We wait to see him face to face together. Notice that Paul does not say he saw the Lord in heaven, he was not greeted by him or given a tour like so many are today. 2 Cor 12:4: “how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.” In fact, He says it is illegal to tell people. He was an apostle, Choo is not.

Choo Thomas: “Very first time He only showed me His throne room. Then after that we came down from heaven and the, we were sitting on the sand on earthly beach. And then He began to talk. He say, We just went to Kingdom of Heaven. The only one who will come there are obedient and pure hearted and He say preaching gospel is very important and He waited for awhile and He say those who don’t tithe, they are disobedient Christians. That was the last word He say the first trip.”

Is this what he tells her after she goes to heaven and sees the throne room!-(is there a throne room?). That one must be obedient to get to heaven and tithing is part of this obedience. This does not sound like the Jesus we know in the bible but parroting a tele-evangelist. Of all the things Jesus would say to the church on disobedience this would hardly be priority, since he does not command us to tithe in the New Testament. So he is contradicting Himself.

Not only do I disbelieve this story but I call it an outright fraud.

“After that, He took me to heaven 16 more times. Each time He took me there, He showed me different things.”

From Choo’s own words Jesus does not teach His own gospel of grace. Thomas tells us a completely new revelation from her journies to heaven. Not every Christian goes to heaven.  “When we got to the top, I looked over a brown and lifeless valley.  Everywhere there was brown.  The whole region seemed to be filled with dead grass.”I noticed multitudes of people who were wearing sand-colored robes roaming aimlessly in the vicinity of the pit’s yawning mouth.   Their heads were hanging low, and they looked very dejected and hopeless. “Who are these people, Lord?” I asked.

“They are disobedient ‘Christians” “How long will they have to stay in this barren, lifeless place?”Forever, My daughter.  The only ones who will enter My kingdom are the pure of heart-My obedient children.”

(p. 46 also p.249)

These people that are lost and are not cast into hell.  Thomas has discovered a third place where people will spend eternity. Like the Roman Catholic purgatory, those who are not obedient and pure enough spend eternity wandering in a desert like place. this makes salvation by works not by grace through faith.

Elsewhere, Thomas tells us some of the conditions for actually getting inside heaven. Over and over again Choo tells us that Jesus told her; that she is His special daughter; to accept these extra biblical revelations.

HOST SPEAKING “Besides experiencing heaven, Choo was also show hell twice.

She described hell vision as follows: I could see fumes and dark smoke rising from a deep pit. It was like the crater of a volcano, and inside I could see flames scorching a multitude of people who were screaming and crying in the kind of agony that only the severely burned truly know.

The people were naked, without hair, and standing close to one another, moving like worms, and the flames were scorching their bodies. There was no escape for those who were captured in the pit-its walls were too deep for them to climb, and hot coals of fire were all around the edges.

The flames would leap out unexpectedly from all directions. People would move away, and then as soon as they seemed to think that they were safe, another fire would burst forth. There was no rest for these unfortunate victims of sin; they were doomed to spend all eternity being scorched and burned as they endeavored to escape the flames of hell. “Who are these people?” I asked. “My daughter, these people did not know Me.”

She then describes another visit, “then, next visiting he showed me another sad thing. It was aborted babies. He took me to this one place it was a huge building. They looked like warehouse. When we walked in it, all I see was babies, tiny, tiny naked babies. And they were lying side by side. Humm, and I began to cry. Lord, why is so many babies. He say, they aborted babies. I said what are you going to do with them. He say If their mother be saved and they come to heaven, they will have their baby back. That was it. “

A warehouse full of babies! Now we have God depending on the belief of the mother to save a child who has no say in this. Not a hopeful scenario to something the bible is mostly silent on.

“… He showed me beach, you see daughter how beautiful this beach is, I know my children like this beach and when He took me to fishing, I know my children like fishing, that’s

why I prepare so many things what they like and I realized in heaven is well a thousand times beautiful than on Earth, but a lot of things like on Earth like roads, buildings, trees, bushes, rocks, flowers, rough places outside the kingdom; there are so many things there; but that they are thousand times beautiful on Earthly things, just beautiful. …. That is why He took me there to show what He prepared for His children, so let each and everyone know what heaven is waiting for us, so before He comes, He want all the Christians to know this things, so they can be excited and go there. That is why I believe He showed me these things. He doesn’t tell me everything, you know, thoroughly, He just show me some certain things, just say very few words, necessary words He tells me.

So heaven is just like earth, roads, bushes, beaches, fish. Too bad the Bible mentions none of this. God wrote the Bible and tells us the book of Revelation closes God’s revelation to man.

Choo is tampering with the revelation that specifically reveals Jesus, she puts her book on an equal status.

One must settle the question of who is telling the truth? Jesus of the Bible or the Jesus of Choo Thomas.

She even posted — Dear Readers,

I am forwarding Sister Shelby Corbitt’s book link about the rapture for 2007.  I know we are not supposed to say the exact year or day or hour, but please don’t judge it too quickly.

There is a housewife who claims that the Rapture will take place this summer.

You might want to read it via the URL below. http://www.2007rapture.com/about/

I don’t have to read it, I already know she is wrong- for the Bible says no man knows the day or hour.

But then she also claimsthe Lord showed me almost countless times visions of the rapture since October 2006 until January 2007.”Then she contradicts this in the next paragraph saying“He hasn’t showed me the rapture vision since May 13th, 1996”

“Well, the end of the visitation was after I took care of the manuscript of the book. Then He brought me to the earthly beach. And we spend about a couple of hours. He told me He will bring me there every Monday. That was May 27, 1996. Ever since, He never missed once, He bring me there every Monday with my transformed body. He wake me up about a few minutes after 12 o-clock every Monday Morning. He shakes my body for 30 minutes, exactly 30 minutes; never less, never more, and His presence shows and His spirit body, my spirit body and we go to the beach. And the, when we go there, you know, He talks mostly, I listen. Then I sing, I dance with my spirit body and this is the best time of my life right now.”

People can choose what to believe, but I can honestly say that if they believe any of her testimony they are not believing what the Bible teaches.

Creation House should be ashamed of promoting such nonsense through a book, is there no discernment left with book publishers?

Choo Thomas tells us “On January 19, 1996, I woke up at 3:00 in the morning. My body was shaking… I turned my head on the pillow to look in the direction of the sound, and there, all aglow, was a figure dressed in white garments. IT WAS THE LORD…”

Going back to the beginning- she has no testing of who this being of light is. From her own words that contradict the Bible it cannot be the Jesus of the Bible. I recommend for people to stop trying to scratch their itching ears for something new and learn directly from the Bible what God has said about these subjects, because this is what Jesus called the truth. Lest they find themselves in the same condition as Choo who has been visited by another Jesus and fulfill what Jesus warned in Matt 24:4: “Take heed that no one deceives you.”

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Just one more reason I do not allow Choo Thomas defenders

The following is just an example of one of many comments I receive from those who want to defend the nutty/heretical teachings of Choo Thomas. I decided to allow this one to be shown in all it’s glory:

“I too have experienced some of the things Choo has and from my own personal experiences, I know that she speaks the truth.
From the changing of her clothes, to witnessing the rainbow fish she speaks of, to hugging Jesus, seeing the castles in heaven, and more-it is all real.
SURE! YOU CAN TO TRY TO DECEIVE EVERYONE WHO READS THIS WITH ONE OF YOUR QUIRKY RESPONSES!
YOU are the one that has no evidence. Choo can back up eveything she says! What do you have?
A MANIPULATION OF WORDS! WHY ARE YOU SO CONCERNED WITH HAVING A HATE BLOG AGAINST HER BOOK?
LET HIS PEOPLE GO TO HIM! DAMN YOU STRAIGHT TO HELL! I REBUKE YOU AND YOUR HIDEOUS BLOG IN THE NAME OF JESUS!
LET HIS PEOPLE GO. I HOPE AND PRAY THAT WE ALL TURN TO OUR LORD WHOLE-HEARTEDLY SO YOU,
YOURSELF MAY BURN IN THE FIRES OF HELL ALL BY YOUR LONESOME!!!!!
AND IF YOU’RE SO CONFIDENT, YOU’LL LEAVE MY POST UP HERE. … COWARD!!
YOU HAD STATED AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR BLOG THAT YOU WOULD DELETE ALL OF THE DEFENDING COMMENTS.. COWARD!!!!
IF THIS WERE A TRUE DEBATE, YOU WOULD LET HIS LAMBS DEFEND CHOO AND *HIS* BOOK!!!!!…
DAMN YOU… YET YOU ARE ALREADY DAMNED.”

Now I will answer this person and anyone else who has a problem with this blog on my exposing the lies of a total wack job:

First off, there is no debate here. I have more than enough (along with the dozens of others who have commented on this woman and her book) shown where she is misleading people. I do not and will NOT keep going around the same old mountain with those who refuse to look at the truth. Like I have said, you are free to leave this place and believe whatever you want.

Secondly, the one who manipulates things with words is Choo Thomas. And anyone who dares to question her is attacked. If I have learned anything the past few years with this blog it is people LOVE to believe lies. It is really that simple. The only conclusion I’ve been able to come up with as to why, is, they love darkness rather than light. Choo Thomas followers are a fine example.

Thirdly, Choo Thomas has no evidence other than her word. Sorry people, that is not enough for me. The Bible is my evidence. And it tells me that many false teachers will arise in the last days with lying signs and wonders. Choo Thomas is just one of many.

Last but not least, this post alone gets more hits than any other. The comments are so many that the page is slow to load. I refuse to take comments from those who want to wear down the saints by their continuing pathetic attemps to defend a heretic. End of discussion.

Choo Thomas follwers are following a false jesus. Isn’t it obvious by the above comment?

APOSTATE LIE: Coming Supernatural Wealth Transfer

Video is below

Talk about taking scripture out of complete context! THIS, Bride of Christ is a fine example of these apostates setting you up NOW to start giving your finances to them before all hell breaks loose in the economy.

Benny Hinn teaching wealth transfer. This is what witchcraft in the church looks like. It is appalling!

“When God blesses you, He blesses you big. And the Bible says you don’t have to work for it.”

What an out right lie! BH’s lie gives people the impression that money is just going to come to them without any action on their part.

For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat.
— 2 Thessalonians 3:10 –

He is helping people to stumble in the faith if they end up not being able to feed their own family! 

But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. — 1 Timothy 5:8 –

I am amazed how these deceivers ALWAYS use examples from the old testament instead of going to the new testament. The New Testament teaches us that Jesus had no place to lay His head. Did HE have all the riches this world has to offer? Certainly not.

BH uses Abraham, Issacc, Jacob, Joseph, Israel, and Soloman as examples of the rich. All taken from the old testament. He says there were six of them and now, “You are number 7.” Most of us know by now these heretics are using numerology with their use of numbers to back up their teachings as some kind of ordinance from God. God is nowhere in this.

“You are number seven, on your way to heaven.”

I do not claim to know who is going to heaven. But this is scarey, church. Here is a man telling a group of people they all are going to heaven. False assurance?

“God is going to give you the wealth of the sinner.”

Greed! He has just helped the church to covet by desiring what is someone else’s — sinner or not!

There is a chance to buy Benny hinn’s book on teaching you how to receive the wealth of the wicked. KACHING. Right into Hinn’s bank account!

He’s got his creepy MANIPULATING/WITCHCRAFT voice at 7:30 “You people listen to me well. If you don’t obey god today, you’re going to lose tomorrow.” That finger of his pointed as if he is some great truth speaker.”People who disobeyed in the old and new testaments were cut off.”

A fear tactic. Remember that.

At this point he tells a cutesie little story that brings some laughter. Now whether he did this to break down some resistance or not, God knows. Personally, I think it is every bit of a type of mind control and they know exactly how to work a crowd.

He goes on by giving examples of how he gave thousands of dollars when he was broke. Of course this was many years ago and no proof of any such thing. Even if there were proof, it does not mean God is requiring you to give your money to these deceitful workers of iniquity.

He explains he was so broke and god told him to give up his last 10 cents. This is preparing the people even more to empty their wallets as he shares this pathetic sob story!

“I’m gonna ask you to do what I did that day…I don’t know why god told me to give athousand dollars…something in my being told me to give a thousand.”

He continues by telling the people if they do what he will ask them, it will be the best thing that happens to them and their family.

Never mind if they will have food on the table, never mind if they have a house payment or bills to pay. Just fork it over to the man in the fancy suit!

“And as you pray, god is going to talk to you. Then I want you come down here and sow a thousand dollars in the Lord’s work…God has already placed a thousand dollars in your hands. You have it some place. I know you have other plans for it, but god has just changed your plans.”

“I’m standing here because of my obediance of so long ago.”

No, he is standing there because people have propped him up for decades and made him a billionaire!

This whole charade leads to the teaching of offerings. No surprise there. BH is preparing the people to empty their wallets in hopes of getting some of that wealth and the only one walking away from this with money in their pocket is Benny hinn! WAKE UP CHURCH!

Do not come here and try to defend this man. Your comment will not be posted. If you want to believe this stuff, you are free to do so. You deserve to have every cent taken from you in the days to come.

As for the sheep who are coming out from among them, continue to test all things. You do not have to be afraid of the teachings of Benny Hinn. Do not let him put a yoke on you.