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The Privilege of Washing “Anointed” Toilets?

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The following article found here:

http://charismania.wordpress.com/2008/12/27/the-privilege-of-washing-anointed-toilets/

was too good not to post. In my opinion it needs to go around the world, especially the United States. America has had many idols. The church is no different. She sets up idols of teachers, prophets, leaders, speakers, conferences, teachings, prophesies, dreamers, dreams, so called moves of God, mega churches, christian artists, etc. 

The following article reminds me of what happened to my husband a few years back. The church he went to called upon him to teach every now and then. He took his responsibility seriously and would take hours to prepare a teaching. He worked full time whereas the preacher chose not to. He (the preacher) said God had called him to quit his good paying job and “live on faith.” I doubted he heard from the real God. He had a family of 5 or 6 to support. The church was small and most people could not afford to take care of their own family, let alone this preacher and his. That to me is adding a burden on the flock.

The preacher ended up telling my husband and every other man who was given the privledge of teaching, to come to church and clean toilets.  Neither my husband or I thought he was too good to do this. What we did have a problem with was the fact that this preacher had a wife and grown children who could have easily cleaned toilets. (The worship team was made up with his older teen-age sons.) Plus, the preacher not working like the rest of the men in church should have more than enough time to clean toilets. 

I believed it was a control thing and told my husband so. Wasn’t it enough that he and the rest of the men were supporting this man and his family, let alone being expected to go and clean the church when he had a wife and grown kids? 

My husband tried to talk to the man and tell him that would almost be impossible for him to do with his schedule. The pastor more or less flipped him off. No surprise. My husband had a friend who previously had been flipped off. When he dared to express a different opinion about the rapture, the pastor rebuked him publicly as if the man had done some awful thing.

Too many times christians bow down to those within their midst thinking they are something great. The church needs to get off their knees and stop worshipping false idols and repent of washing toilets of men when God has not called them!  

May the following article get some yokes off people.

   The Privilege of Washing “Anointed” Toilets?

One of the strangest (and most unbiblical) things about our particular experience with “Charismania” was the odd dynamic that swirled around the pastors of Living Word Church (a pseudonym, as are most other names on this website).  Within the world that they’d created inside the walls of Living Word, the Smith family – Pastor Smith, his wife Mary, and their two young-adult sons, Timmy and Tommy – were treated like royalty.

We’d come to Living Word Church after a lifetime spent in more mainstream Bible-based churches, where it was a given that pastors were supposed to be unassuming “servant leaders.”   So when we first arrived at Living Word, we were oblivious to the aura of celebrity that surrounded the Smiths.

It took awhile for us to fall in line and acclimate ourselves to Living Word’s hierarchy, but eventually we learned how things were.  And despite how we always KNEW, at some level, that the Smith family’s belief in their own importance was completely unbiblical and inappropriate, we soon found ourselves going right along with the crowd who swirled around them, vying for their attention and approval.  It really did not take very long for it to seem almost NORMAL to us that there was an entire “ministry” built around providing security for the Smith family as they walked around the church building.  Or that it was considered a HIGH HONOR to open the door of Pastor Smith’s $85,000 Mercedes as his handlers hustled him out of the building and into his car.

Eventually, we realized that the people who were the closest to the Smith family – ESPECIALLY the people who handled the most mundane details of their lives – exhibited a real attitude about their proximity to the Smiths.

I happened to be reading a random website – a website about a subject that on the surface has nothing to do with the world of “Charismania” – when I came across a really amazing comment that describes to a “T” the dynamic that was at work at Living Word Church.  I want to post that comment here, as I believe it provides a good summary of the attitudes at work within many independent “Charismaniac” churches, not just Living Word.

Here is the comment, by ”Cindy K” (who has her own website here):

I would completely discount this as true if I had not heard and seen these things in the shepherding movement (the charismatic movement that got started about the same time that Bill Gothard started to get cranked up in the mid to late ’60s). We had a close friend at one time who was on the list to have the privilege of washing Bob Mumford’s car. The more holiness you have and the more submissive you are, the more deeply you can penetrate into the inner circle of leaders and the more intimate duties you are permitted to perform for them. So scrubbing the toilet for Bob Mumford is a far higher and more lofty duty than just washing the car. I actually talked on the phone with someone who left a sister church of my group whose father actually got to pick Bob Mumford up at the airport.

This is all a very big part of submission teaching, and in terms of this aspect and dynamic, Gothard and Mumford and some of these patriocentrists ascribe to the same mindset.  Gothard teaches that if you want to have your own vision, the way to make that grow comes through serving others in their mission. So the more humble you are, the more grace you get (like God puts money in an account or you get grace warm fuzzies to counter all those sin cooties).  The more selfless you are in your service, the more benefit you gain.  If you are asked to wipe someone’s bum because they are too lazy to do it themselves or if they are actually taking pleasure in the fact that they can get you to do it, this is a test of your virtue.  Submission, submission, submission.  It is seen as an act of piety that builds your character in a direct cause and effect manner.

But what’s interesting is that no one is interested in scrubbing the toilet of the aging, obese woman who had a stroke and drools, who is seated in the back row and when she comes for prayer or to ask for critical help is patted on the head and told to be warmed, filled and to go in peace.  The ministry efforts are directed primarily toward the elders and leaders in a group, because it is a type of validation and reinforcement of your own importance.  Consider that this is like a drug, because you are in an environment of comparison as well as one where shame is used to motivate.  It is more satisfying than a glass of cool water on the hottest summer day because it medicated the pains of comparison and shame.

People in these groups are overridden with shame, and gaining the favor of the elite is a most powerful neurochemical drug.  It also feeds pride, because you are more special than the other people who can’t even get on the waiting list to wash the car, let alone scrub the toilet.  But sometimes, if there is a favorite of the group, one that the group can hold up a non-normative they would like people to minister to – a pet project.  Because it is seen as a virtue and is counted as virtuous by the leadership, attending to the particular non-normative who has been set apart by the leaders will also earn you bonus points with them.

They ALWAYS have their favorites.  You might not get to wash the car of the leader, but you might be able to get on the list to wash the car of their pet project.  And think about it.  They have set themselves up in a hierarchy and established themselves as the visionaries who speak for God and discern His thoughts in ways that normal people cannot even begin to attain.  Where would we be without Doug Phillips? We would have no one championing the family and the world would be a sad, sad place.  If you want more than anything to honor and serve God in all the wonder and fullness that you can dream of, this is alluring.

If you believe their press, they hold out this fantasy for you.  They create it with smoke and mirrors, and if you want that fantasy, there it is.  You might not get to experience the awesome power and holiness and greatness of God, but you can perhaps glean something from the crumbs that fall from God’s table of greatness.  I’ve heard people describe this as like unto those sick who took strips of Paul’s clothing to the sick so that the power of the Holy Spirit that remained on the cloth would heal them.  [Charismania here:  I want to point out that Living Word Church actually did have what they called an “Anointing and Handkerchief Service” each year, where they would distribute “anointed” hankies and vials of oil that had been prayed over by Pastor Smith and other guest speakers.  Living Word Church actually had that passage from the book of Acts – the passage that describes how strips of Paul’s clothing were distributed for healing – printed on the hankies.  Also, I myself  once wrote a post about a funny thing that happened to us during the final prayer line during that “Handkerchief Service.”  These things dovetail perfectly with what Cindy K is saying in this comment!]  You might have a Holy Ghost experience by washing the very car that Bob Mumford actually touched and sat in.  You might get a Holy Ghost jolt when you scrub the…

Don’t forget that Gothard teaches this.  To have vision you must first experience the death of a vision, and then you work toward your vision by serving someone else in their vision.  When God finds you faithful and you earn enough grace points and warm fuzzies, you win the prize – you get your own vision, and volunteers will in turn come to serve you as you aspire toward your very own vision.

This is all Gothard.  It was all over Shepherding.  It is a twist on being faithful over little so that God will make you faithful over your own greatness.  By serving others greatness, God will eventually make you great.  It’s all part of the formula.

Keith Green: The Prodigal Son

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Keith Green was a rare man. His convictions were probably some of the greatest within the church, if not the greatest. He truly was a non-compromiser. Todays’ christian music pales in comparison compared to his. His music portrayed who and what he was;  a passionate man of God. What amazes me is that so many who are in the false movements, would applaud him even to this day, yet they bring reproach to him and to the truth by following a different gosple than the one Keith preached and taught. 

I can only hope and pray that the ones that are following a different Jesus than the one Keith proclaimed, will someday come back to the truth. 

The Prodigal Son in my opinon is one of Keiths’ greatest works. Before the internet, I would listen to it over and over and could see scenes being worked out in my head. I would even act out the song in hopes I could someday direct a movie. I never got to do it. But someone else has and I am very grateful.  Manofvalor111 truly has created a work of art worth watching.

Part One:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdeYty9pI7k&annotation_id=annotation_608158&feature=iv

Part two:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH8Pqvw_Qus&feature=related

Brothers, I would not have you to be ignorant.

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The Word of God tells us not to be ignorant of our enemy. Such as any man who praised Lucifer. Saul Alinsky was such a man. The spirit behind him is as much alive as it was when he was on this earth.  It lives on in Obama. Obama was and is a follower of Alinskys’ teachings. Do not be deceived; Obama is using these teachings against the American people.   

Known as the “father of modern American radicalism,” Saul D. Alinsky (1909-1972) developed strategies and tactics that take the enormous, unfocused emotional energy of grassroots groups and transform it into effective anti-government and anti-corporate activism. Activist organizations teach his ideas widely taught today as a set of model behaviors, and they use these principles to create an emotional commitment to victory – no matter what.

Saul Alinsky dedicates his book, “Rules for Radicals” to Lucifer:

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.

To paraphrase some sage advice, “keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer.” If your business or organization ever becomes a target of radical activists, it will be extremely helpful to know what strategies of attack will used against you. Short of having spies infiltrate their organization – a practice that is sure to be found out and exposed to your discredit – it would help to study their methods.

Grassroots pressure on large organizations is reality, and there is every indication that it will grow. Because the conflicts manifest in high-profile public debate and often-panicked decision-making, studying Alinsky’s rules will help organizations develop counteractive strategies that can level the playing field.

Governments and corporations have inherent weaknesses. And, time and again, they repeat mistakes that other large organizations have made, even repeating their OWN mistakes. Alinsky’s out-of-print book – “Rules for Radicals” – illustrates why opposition groups take on large organizations with utter glee, and why these governments and corporations fail to win.

Large organizations have learned to stonewall and not empower activists. In other words, they try to ignore radical activists and are never as committed to victory as their opposition is committed to defeating them. Result? They are unprepared for the hailstorm of brutal tactics that severely damage their reputation and send them running with their tails between their legs.

Some of these rules are ruthless, but they work. Here are the rules to be aware of:

RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)

RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)

RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)

RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid “un-fun” activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.)

RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)

RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)

RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist. (Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists’ minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.)

RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management’s wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)

RULE 11: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem. (Old saw: If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Activist organizations have an agenda, and their strategy is to hold a place at the table, to be given a forum to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise solution.)

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/8925/alinsky.htm

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/obama-saul-alinsky-lucifer-community-organizer-ridicule-socialists-mccain-raila-odinga-odm-rules-for-radicals-alinsky-method-ridicule-older-people/

A Little Child Shall Lead Them; 12 year old girl gives abortion speech

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This shows us that even a child can have the wisdom and discernment of a holy God. A 12 year old girl, against the wishes of her teachers gave a convincing speech on abortion.  She was told to pick another subject or else she would be disqualified from the contest. But her passions led her to forge ahead in doing what she believed. Speech can be seen here:

The teacher was so impressed with the young ladys’ speech that she allowed her to enter the contest. A judge who became offended quit. Lia, came in first place. Parts of her speech:

“What if I told you that right now, someone was choosing if you were going to live or die? What if I told you that this choice wasn’t based on what you could or couldn’t do, what you’d done in the past or what you would do in the future? And what if I told you, you could do nothing about it? Fellow students and teachers, thousands of children are right now in that very situation. Someone is choosing without even knowing them whether they are going to live or die. That someone is their mother.  And that choice is abortion.”

“Why do we think that just because a fetus can’t talk or do what we do, it isn’t a human being yet?” She asks the class. “Some babies are born after only five months. Is this baby not human? We would never say that. Yet abortions are performed on 5-month-old fetuses all the time. Or do we only call them humans if they’re wanted?”

“No, fetuses are definitely humans – knit together in their mother’s womb by their wonderful Creator who knows them all by name.”

“We must remember that with our rights, come our choices and responsibilities. And we can’t take someone elses’ rights away to avoid our responsibility.”

This young girls’ passion and conviction is more than impressive. It leads you in wanting to pick up the banner and fight along side of her with the truth! 

Bravo little girl! Bravo! May you grow up and be a light to your generation! May you go forth in truth not fearing those who would bully you into submission. May you have the wisdom to always know right from wrong and may you courageously defend what is true. May He fill your mouth with truth and wisdom. May He use you greatly in the years to come. May the Father of Lights cause his Face to shine upon you always!

Full article can be seen here: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=89135

Abortion is MURDER

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Warning; following video is very graphic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU7TXOQhXe0&feature=subscription

I will not apologise for its’ contents. How Satan must laugh at such images. How a holy God must grieve!  ABORTION is murder. Abortion IS Murder. Abortion is MURDER. No matter how you say it; abortion is murder.  I dare say anyone who says it is not, is a blatant liar. How can anyone call it any other thing? You can’t, unless you are a liberal democrat. As most, if not all conservatives will call this for what it is: MURDER! This ought to enrage every decent human being. It ought to make you forget your political party if you have an ounce of humanity and choose life over any other causes.

THIS MURDERING OF INNOCENTS is bringing judgment upon this nation! Do not think it is not.

Such wickedness in high places who lie and deceive about the truth! Starting with the socialists in the whitehouse on down to those who would have more compassion for a chicken than a baby!

God have mercy! How long oh God, how long!?

Heresy: Suckling the Breasts of God

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People may wonder why I post these things. As they are such mockery and blasphemy. I do it because if just one person can look upon this and turn from it then it has not been in vain. If just one person can look upon it and begin to challenge these people, then it is not done in vain. If just one person can stand up and say, “It is enough!” then it is not in vain. Bear in mine, that NO ONE in the modern day faith movement dares to come against these things. Why is that? It is because they all are in the same camp. They dare not to expose one another, less they themselves be exposed for the frauds and liars they are.

You may or may not be able to watch this in its entirety. I couldn’t. But at least you will get a glimpse of the apostacy within the church. Do not think this is just a passing phase. This could be coming to a church near you in the near future. What will you do?

Lord come quickly!

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