A Dangerous Journey – My Wife’s Deliverance from Extreme Pentecostalism (Part 1)

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I found this at sister Mkayla’s Korner. She found it here: 

http://inerrantword.wordpress.com/2011/03/26/a-dangerous-journal-my-wifes-deliverance-from-extreme-pentecostalism-part-1/

I have taken the liberty to address a couple of things. They will be in green.

My wife was, until last year, dangerously involved in Bethel and their music. Thanks be to the grace of God, she was able to move away from it and realise what happened to her.

She has decided to write her testimony of this time in the hope that others may realise how dangerous this can be and as a reminder to please not turn of your discernment switches.

Because it is rather long, we have split it into 4 parts. Part 1 is below and the others follow shortly after in separate posts. These have also been published on her blog which is found here.

Here is the testimony of my wife:

At the beginning of 2010 I decided I wanted to get involved in a more passionate “Christianity”. I have always thought of myself as a worshipper & I craved being around others who lived & breathed worshipping the Lord.

Our church had been *pushing* & wanting revival to break out. So naturally I went home one day and decided to research about what “revival” actually was and how we could get it! Through my discoveries I found out about The Welsh Revival, Charles Finney and others.

I wanted *revival* to break out in our church. The more I read about the “amazing” things that happened in Wales, the more I wanted that to happen to us.

A member of our church had been involved in the Brownsville Revival. She told me many stories about the revival that happened there & the anointing that she received from there. Whenever she went up for prayer her body would shake & eventually she would, fall to the floor.

I was curious and started looking into the information surrounding the Brownsville revival. Like the Toronto blessing, the Brownsville revival had similar manifestations of the holy spirit, and following that was the Lakeland revival.

At that time I was initially very cautious. It didn’t seem to line up with the God of the Bible I knew and I couldn’t find anything in the scriptures to back up what was happening in these places. BUT I so desperately wanted to feel God and being among passionate Christians, I thought that this was where those sorts of people were. Some of the manifestations, including the prophetic seemed exciting and it drew me in.

Despite my initial caution & a nagging feeling of unease, I started listening to the answers that these extreme prophetic people would give to the sceptics.

Here are some of the things they said/say:

– God was revealing new things to the church today.

– God was moving in a way that was different & more relevant to the world now.

– How could these things not be of God, when people were singing his praises all within the safety of a church?

– No one can judge or dismiss the manifestations of the holy spirit, if you did then this then you were quenching the Spirit.

– David danced in the streets and people then thought he was crazy, but he was a man after the Lord’s heart. This meant that even though manifestations were similar to David’s dancing (disorderly behaviour) they were of God.

– The church at Pentecost had exactly the same spirit manifestations (like drunken behaviour…because in the Bible the mockers thought they were acting drunk therefore the early church must have had drunken spirit manifestations.

I want to say here, that it was the devil through the mockers who were accusing the disciples of being drunk so the Word would not be taken seriously. No where in scripture are we taught that those presenting the gospel behaved in a drunk fashion. It was the mockers who invented the idea. This has to be seen in the correct light or many other doors will be opened up to other deceptions.   

– Bill Johnson is such a kind, quietly spoken & gentle man therefore he must be a man of God.

Let the reader remember that Jim Jones, Charles Manson and others have been seen in like manner. So this is proof of nothing.

– People from all over are coming in droves to these churches, so its has to be good.

Jesus warns us that the way is narrow and few be that find it.

– In the last days, God’s spirit will pour out on his people and this is that.

– No-one can judge the holy spirit. If something is done in the name of the holy spirit then it must be the holy spirit.

Satan is a great trickster and pretender. We are told that his ministers come as angels of light. That being so, it should not be hard for any of us to believe that his servants can and do appear good. 

– Those who think that these manifestations are not of God are Pharisees (& are not open to things happening in the spirit outside of the Bible).

– People who were outside of these movements were missing out on a special anointing from the Lord.

I became convinced by these sorts of answers. I was drawn to it, I wanted to be around enthusiastic worshippers of God and I did not want to act like a so called Pharisee. It also looked exciting.

So began my journey into the world of extreme Pentecostalism, the teachings of Bill Johnson, Bethel Church, & the music of Jesus Culture.

(Little did I know how dangerous this path was going to be)…

I am looking forward to the rest of this woman’s testimony!

Kevin Dedmon’s “healing” song is dung to the ears

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Dedmon has a healing song.

Dedmon on not having a good singing voice: “This goes to show that anything we do that is ( ) by faith, whether or not we have the talent or not, can be totally effective in releasing the kingdom of God.”

WRONG. This shows and proves nothing. The simple fact that one can sing a little ditty and CLAIM it has any kind of power or unction, is not only absurd — it is out right flakey. We are suppose to believe it just because kevin dedmon says so? How naive are some people, when they take the word of a man who is building his religion around his own teachings? What it proves is how silly people can be in thinking all they can do is sing and claim something when God has told us to pray.  To ask, seek and knock. Where is our need of God, if we are not praying? Where is our need of God if all we have to do is sing a little ditty?

If you happen to be one of those people who get a song stuck in your head — do not listen to this dribble.

Dedmon is not even original. The tune itself is from and old rock song. I can not place it, but maybe someone else can? Seems like it is a British group from the late 60’s to the early 70s. So that in itself makes me wonder if God wanted to give someone a nice little tune, why use something from an old rock song? Surely God is more creative than that?

Sid Roth: “It’s just like the laughter…it releases the healing presence of God.”

Really? Then how about taking that little tune into a hospital where cancer patients are suffering? Or take it to an Aids patient.

Even if it did work, it does not mean it is from God. This is the same as Christian Science. It is not dealing with reality. It denies the suffering of the individual.

I once cleaned house for a very sweet elderly woman. She was up in her 80’s, all bent over and walked with a walker. She was feeble and began to get sick. One day she told someone in her church she was not feeling well. They told her not to say such a thing, but to confess she was healed. (Easy for someone else to tell a sick person what to say when they are not the ones suffering, isn’t it?)

That poor little old woman. She was just a few weeks or months from dying and she was being told to deny what was going on with her!  The very same thing today’s church teaches those who are suffering and sick! Her church was Christian Science!

Kevin Dedmon is a liar. It is that simple. Wouldn’t one think IF there was any truth in what he had to say, then take your gift where it is needed the most.  Perhaps to a children’s hosptial where little kids are crippled up.

Sid Roth to Dedmon: “And you’re saying you are not special?”

They both leave the door wide open in having us believe Dedmon must be special or else his little song would not be able to do all he confesses it to be.

There is nothing special about Dedmon or his little song. He is no different than any other upcoming apostate in todays’ church!

At the end “I release what is in heaven into your life.”

He has just made himself your high priest! Jesus is THE High Priest and as Christians, each of us are priests through the blood of Jesus. We have no need for mere man to think they can lord it over us and have some greater unction than what is already in each of us.

He, along with the others are practicing mind over matter; Christian Science just like Kenneth Hagin and all the others with their New Age sugar-coated feel good gospel.

GROW UP YOU MIDDLE AGE people who are STILL looking for signs and wonders. Kevin Dedmon has no sign and wonder to even follow. But if you insist on following the likes of such men, please let me sell you a piece of the moon!

Kevin Dedmon — another false teacher and prophet

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I was made aware of another false teacher after my husband came in from church yesterday. After doing a search on the man, this is what I found. I am sickened of the apostacy running rampant within my city. It appears to be everywhere in one way or the other. I will have more to say on the matter later:

http://www.themessianiccongregation.com/rabbis-blog/false-prophets-still-abound.html

Last Saturday night some folks from my congregation and myself went to a meeting that promoted itself as a healing / prophetic gathering. It was lead by a man whose name is Kevin Dedmon. The event took place at New Dimension Church in Providence RI. The reason we went is because one of our members was afflicted by a stroke and they wanted to go in hopes that God would heal them. We went to support our sister. I will say that I am very skeptical of such meetings as most of them turn out to be run by charlatans and scam artists. I was not disappointed this time. That is not to say that I do not believe that God can heal. It is not God who makes me skeptical it is men. Let me emphasize I believe that God heals today. I am however tired of the mockery that men make out of the gifts of God. Call me presumptuous but I took it upon myself after prayer, consulting the word, my elders and some of the folks who also came to write a letter to the Pastor of the church that hosted this false prophet. Below is the letter I wrote and also the warning I gave him from the scripture. Also included is his response to me. I know that this is not comfortable for some to read but when a false prophet arises what should be the response of the believers? We should expose them so that others will not fall prey to them, hence this letter. We take the scriptures very seriously and in them we are admonished to warn those who stray from the truth,

Jam 5:19 My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back,
Jam 5:20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

This is definitely one area of Biblical practice that is lacking in the body of Messiah.
Please, prayerfully read this letter before you respond in any way. Remember, you were not there, we were. In no way shape or form does this note exaggerate the events that took place.
Shalom b’Yeshua
Rabbi Henry

My first note to the Pastor.

Dear Pastor Troy:

This is Messianic Rabbi Henry M. Morse. I was at your Saturday evening service with Kevin Dedmon. I came and brought some of the folks from my congregation. The woman in the wheel chair was with us as well. I am writing this note to you out of grave concern with what I saw there that night. I came with an open mind as I am also of the belief that God still does miracles today. But that night’s service was far from what I had hoped for or expected. Please indulge me a few minutes of your time to explain. My concerns are this. Mr. Dedmon made a mock of the word of God through his preaching and his antics. My first concern was his eisegesis of the word of God. He spoke from the passage in Ezekiel 47 and tried to make the point that this passage was in reference to the drinking in and leeking out of the spirit in our lives. That the water represented the spirit moving on us in revival. Now while this is true that God wants to move in us and revive us, this passage has nothing to do with that topic. He stopped at verse 12. Verse 13 gives us the context of the chapter. There is no need for interpretation it is all right there. This passage has to do with the restoration of Israel in the end days only. Chapter 48 continues in that theme. Needless to say your speaker was proof-texting to the max. I was very disturbed by the way he turned the entire service into a third rate comedy show. This showed contempt for the spirit of God. I have no problem with joy in the Lord but there is no Biblical mandate for the preaching of the word to be done so flippantly and out of context.
Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying falsehood in My name I have neither sent them nor commanded them nor spoken to them; they are prophesying to you a false vision, divination, futility and the deception of their own minds.
Matthew 7
15“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.  
 16“You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?  
 17“So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.  
 18“A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.  
 19)Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.  
 20“So then, you will know them by their fruits.  
 21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.  
 22“Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’
 23“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

Dear Pastor please if you have any regard for the truth of the Gospel and the word of God hear this warning from these scripture above. Don’t be deceived by a false prophet who comes to make merchandise of the Gospel. I realize that this note is strong and I don’t want to come off as the only who has discernment but the proof of his fruit was before your very eyes when he refused to receive the woman in the wheel chair. If you are interested in talking more about this I would be willing to meet with you in person and we can talk. My email is rabbi@shaarhashamayim.org. My congregation’s website is www.shaarhashamayim.org. My cell phone number is 508-944-7393. I am writing to you out of concern for another brother so please take this as such. Be thankful I care enough to do so.

I pray that you will grow in the wisdom and discernment of the Lord
Your brother in Messiah Yeshua
Rabbi Henry M. Morse
Messianic Congregation Sha’ar Hashamayim
Stoughton MA.

His response

Thanks Rabbi,

My last response to him.

Dear Pastor Troy:

This has absolutely nothing to do with methods in ministry. The issue is far greater. We are talking about a false prophet in your midst. It is up to you whether you want to deal with the issues I addressed. But don’t think I am talking about methodology. I will address the issue with my congregation and those who went to your meeting. It is as I expected that you would obfuscate from the issue and not deal with it. My heart grieves for the body of Messiah in Providence as they are deceived by false teaching.

Praying for your eyes to be open
Rabbi Henry

I am so glad our methods of ministry and interpretation of scripture don’t have to be the same in order for us to be united by the foundational faith that Christ died so we may live.  Every blessing to you.

In Christ,

Pastor Troy Goode

One of the folks from my congregation, the woman in the wheel chair came up to him for prayer. Her husband practically had to push the wheel chair in his face before he acknowledged her. When he did pray for her and nothing happened he dismissed her and told her to come back in a few minutes. When she did come back he ended the service as he saw her being wheeled down the isle. Again, her husband brought her to his sales table and sought prayer again. He, for the third time dismissed her with his cliche and verbiage “I release healing on you”. and then moved on to the next item which was to sell books.

Where was his faith at that time to tarry in prayer and see a creative miracle from the Lord? I am sorry to say brother that what you brought to Providence was a false prophet. He made mention that Providence was going to be the place where revival would break forth into our country, I think he also said the world also. If this were so then why is it not stated in scripture. That was a huge statement of great earth shaking dimension. This is dangerous to presume that God has declared things of such a grandiose nature that are not found in the scripture. If a prophet says thus saith the Lord he better make sure that God said that. It seemed as if he thought he was the one who was going to usher in revival just because he said it.

We don’t do anything on our own accord. I take the gift of prophecy very serious just as the word of God does. It is not to be made a mockery of through hyjincks and fast talk.

Jeremiah 14:14

Aug 7, 2010 4:34 PM

“Christians Shouldn’t Disagree About Doctrine!”

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My sentiments.

1 Corinthians 11:18-19 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

Luke 12:51-52 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. – JESUS –