IHOP is DANGEROUS! Stephanie’s testimony

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If you do not know what IHOP is, please watch and be aware. If you do know what IHOP is and are in it, please watch and beware. This is a cult to the core. I can only try and imagine the mind-control she was being forced to swallow. However, she was able to discern for herself. Thank God, she stood and was brought out of it. I wonder how many more families have been torn apart by this demonic cult.

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APOSTATE LIE: Coming Supernatural Wealth Transfer

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Video is below

Talk about taking scripture out of complete context! THIS, Bride of Christ is a fine example of these apostates setting you up NOW to start giving your finances to them before all hell breaks loose in the economy.

Benny Hinn teaching wealth transfer. This is what witchcraft in the church looks like. It is appalling!

“When God blesses you, He blesses you big. And the Bible says you don’t have to work for it.”

What an out right lie! BH’s lie gives people the impression that money is just going to come to them without any action on their part.

For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat.
— 2 Thessalonians 3:10 —

He is helping people to stumble in the faith if they end up not being able to feed their own family! 

But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. — 1 Timothy 5:8 —

I am amazed how these deceivers ALWAYS use examples from the old testament instead of going to the new testament. The New Testament teaches us that Jesus had no place to lay His head. Did HE have all the riches this world has to offer? Certainly not.

BH uses Abraham, Issacc, Jacob, Joseph, Israel, and Soloman as examples of the rich. All taken from the old testament. He says there were six of them and now, “You are number 7.” Most of us know by now these heretics are using numerology with their use of numbers to back up their teachings as some kind of ordinance from God. God is nowhere in this.

“You are number seven, on your way to heaven.”

I do not claim to know who is going to heaven. But this is scarey, church. Here is a man telling a group of people they all are going to heaven. False assurance?

“God is going to give you the wealth of the sinner.”

Greed! He has just helped the church to covet by desiring what is someone else’s — sinner or not!

There is a chance to buy Benny hinn’s book on teaching you how to receive the wealth of the wicked. KACHING. Right into Hinn’s bank account!

He’s got his creepy MANIPULATING/WITCHCRAFT voice at 7:30 “You people listen to me well. If you don’t obey god today, you’re going to lose tomorrow.” That finger of his pointed as if he is some great truth speaker.”People who disobeyed in the old and new testaments were cut off.”

A fear tactic. Remember that.

At this point he tells a cutesie little story that brings some laughter. Now whether he did this to break down some resistance or not, God knows. Personally, I think it is every bit of a type of mind control and they know exactly how to work a crowd.

He goes on by giving examples of how he gave thousands of dollars when he was broke. Of course this was many years ago and no proof of any such thing. Even if there were proof, it does not mean God is requiring you to give your money to these deceitful workers of iniquity.

He explains he was so broke and god told him to give up his last 10 cents. This is preparing the people even more to empty their wallets as he shares this pathetic sob story!

“I’m gonna ask you to do what I did that day…I don’t know why god told me to give athousand dollars…something in my being told me to give a thousand.”

He continues by telling the people if they do what he will ask them, it will be the best thing that happens to them and their family.

Never mind if they will have food on the table, never mind if they have a house payment or bills to pay. Just fork it over to the man in the fancy suit!

“And as you pray, god is going to talk to you. Then I want you come down here and sow a thousand dollars in the Lord’s work…God has already placed a thousand dollars in your hands. You have it some place. I know you have other plans for it, but god has just changed your plans.”

“I’m standing here because of my obediance of so long ago.”

No, he is standing there because people have propped him up for decades and made him a billionaire!

This whole charade leads to the teaching of offerings. No surprise there. BH is preparing the people to empty their wallets in hopes of getting some of that wealth and the only one walking away from this with money in their pocket is Benny hinn! WAKE UP CHURCH!

Do not come here and try to defend this man. Your comment will not be posted. If you want to believe this stuff, you are free to do so. You deserve to have every cent taken from you in the days to come.

As for the sheep who are coming out from among them, continue to test all things. You do not have to be afraid of the teachings of Benny Hinn. Do not let him put a yoke on you.

Is it Biblical to Tithe?

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There are many coming out from the churches realizing they have been fleeced of money with promises of “God will bless you if you give to this ministry,” … “get under this annointing NOW to receive the blessings of God,” blah,blah,blah.

Does God bless? Of course He does. But does His blessing upon you determine whether or not you give to that preacher, TV evangelist, etc.? I hardly think so.

Bride of Christ, there is coming a day when things will get so hard, you will start to question if you should give your last dollar to that preacher/teacher/prophet your last dollar in hopes of a blessing. Of course they will find reason after reason to encourage you to do so. I ask you now — would you take food out of the mouths of your own children to give to some snake-oil salesman coming to your door trying to sell you some kind of miracle concoction? Of course not. It is no different than handing over your money to those who promise you health/wealth if you give to them.

If you are comfortable with giving your money to a pastor/church you especially love for right reasons, then perhaps this message is not for you. I’m not out to tell you who to bless. However, if you see yourself getting thinner and thinner while your pastor is getting fatter and fatter, then you may want to read the following article.

Just be sure when you give to anything/anybody, that God is behind it. If anything else leads you to give, then you are being manipulated.

article gotten here: http://tithing.christian-things.com/howmuch.html

How much do you really know about tithing? By Roger Sapp

Take the following True or False quiz to see how much your really understand about tithing. We predict that many of you will be surprised. Record your answers.

True or False? 1. The Lord Jesus Christ would have tithed.

True or False? 2. Simon Peter, originally a fisherman, would have tithed of the fish that he caught.

True or False? 3. Everyone in the Old Testament seeking to obey the Law of Moses would have tithed.

True or False 4. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek in the same way that believers tithe to the Lord Jesus Christ.

True or False? 5. The Lord Jesus Christ taught His disciples that they should tithe.

True or False? 6. There are many examples of people tithing of their incomes in the Bible.

True or False? 7. The New Testament teaches that we should tithe to ministers in the same way that Jews tithed to the Priests.

True or False? 8. The Bible teaches that God’s standard for giving is ten-percent.

True or False? 9. The righteous poor tithed in the Old Testament.

True or False? 10. Since everyone is held to the same standard, tithing is fair to everyone.

True or False? Bonus Question. The Bible teaches that everyone should give ten-percent of their ongoing income.

Here are the answers.

True or False? 1. The Lord Jesus Christ would have tithed of His income. This one is false. The Lord Jesus Christ was a carpenter by profession and then after He became 30 years old He was a preacher and teacher. Neither of these professions was required by the Law of Moses to tithe anything.

True or False? 2. Simon Peter, originally a fisherman, would have tithed of the fish that he caught. This one is false also. Fishermen were not required to tithe anything either. There were only two kinds of professions in ancient Israel that were required to tithe. Farmers and husbandmen (shepherds and herders) were the only tithers in ancient Israel. They only tithed food.

True or False? 3. Everyone in the Old Testament seeking to obey the Law of Moses would have tithed. It should be evident by now that this one is false also. There were many people with other professions who were not required by the Law to tithe. For instance, the apostle Paul being a tent-maker was not required to tithe. In fact, none of the Twelve apostles would have been tithers because none of them came from the required professions.

True or False? 4. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek in the same way that believers tithe to the Lord Jesus Christ. This one is false also. Abraham’s tithe was very different than what the Church practices today. For instance, Abraham only tithed once. The Church tithes continually. Abraham tithed of the spoils of a war. The Church tithes of its income. Abraham had no increase because he gave the other 90% of the spoils of the war back to the original owner. The Church tithes of its increase. There is no commandment or any logic or indication in the New Testament that believers are to tithe anything to the Lord Jesus Christ. Believers are to give generously as God blesses them.

True or False? 5. The Lord Jesus Christ taught His disciples that they should tithe. False. Christ only makes two statements about tithing. Neither statement says that His disciples should tithe anything. Christ first statement is to the Pharisees not to His disciples. In that statement, Christ says that the Pharisees should continue to tithe food not money. He also says that this tithe of food is a part of the Law and says that it is not even an important part of the Law. His other statement is about a self-righteous Pharisee bragging that he tithes. Christ says that the other man who was not tithing who humbled himself was justified in the sight of God. The self-righteous tither was not justified in the sight of God.

True or False? 6. There are many examples of people tithing of their incomes in the Bible. False. In 4000 years of recorded biblical history there is not a single example of what the Church practices today in tithing money. There are two one-time acts of tithing recorded before the Law. Neither man, Abraham or Jacob, seems to think that they should continue this process beyond the one-time act. Neither man is tithing of their income since each is only involved in a one-time act. Abraham is tithing of the spoils of a war. All the other tithing recorded in the Bible is found in the Law of Moses. In the Law, money was never used to tithe only food. In fact, when someone wanted to use money rather than bring the produce to Jerusalem, God required a 20% penalty to be added. In other words, God discouraged the tithing of money.

True or False? 7. The New Testament teaches that we should tithe to ministers in the same way that Jews tithed to the Priests. False. The New Testament has nothing at all to say about this. This is extra-biblical logic that is not found in the New Testament. In fact, the Book of Hebrews makes it clear that believers are not of the Levitical order of priests. Believers are of a higher order, the order of Melchizedek.

True or False? 8. The Bible teaches that God’s standard for giving is ten-percent. False. Neither the Old Testament or the New Testament teaches this. This is extra-biblical logic again. First of all, the food tithe in the Old Testament was not ten-percent. It was actually more like 23% annually on average. There were three tithes in the Law of Moses. The first tithe was paid only by agrarian families three times yearly to the Priests in Jerusalem. The second tithe was saved by the agrarian families to support this annual trip. It was called the festival tithe. It was for a family vacation. The third tithe was given every three years to the local storehouse, so it amounted to about 3% annually. This was the poor tithe collected for those in need. This is the tithe that Malachi wrote about. None of these tithes were money. They were only food. Those who earned their livings by other occupations did not pay a tithe of anything. However, they did give offerings required by the Law some of which were in silver, gold, bronze and copper coins. Nowhere does the New Testament change this legal obligation of tithe food for some agrarian Israelites in the Law to money tithing for all Christians.

True or False? 9. The righteous poor tithed in the Old Testament. False. The poor had no harvest or flocks to tithe from. They were able to glean the corners of the field of those who were more prosperous.

True or False? 10. Since everyone is held to the same standard, tithing is fair to everyone. False. Tithing is incredibly unfair. Ten-percent of the income of a poor person is a great burden, while ten-percent of the income of a rich person may be no burden at all. If a person only has a $1000 a month income, then $100 of that income will affect their lifestyle and may even impact their ability to take care of their children’s basic needs and pay their bills. If a person has a $10,000 a month income then giving $1,000 per month should have little affect on their lifestyle since they should have a good amount of disposable income beyond their basic needs. If a person has a $100,000 a month income, then $10,000 a month has no appreciable affect on their lifestyle at all.

True or False? Bonus Question. The Bible teaches that everyone should give ten-percent of their ongoing income. False. The modern practice of tithing has five basic elements expressed as everyone gives 10% of ongoing income. How do Bible facts about tithing actually fit with this teaching? Lets compare and contrast the modern teaching of tithing with the Bible.

Everyone gives 10% of ongoing income. Considering the Everyone element. The two events before the Law do not support the idea that everyone should pay tithe. Only Abraham and Jacob in each situation are paying tithe. Genesis doesn’t record anyone else tithing. Abraham and Jacob don’t seem to teach their children to tithe. One of Jacob’s children, Joseph, is a particularly righteous man. In the more than ten detailed chapters devoted to Joseph, we don’t discover him tithing either. Not everyone tithed in Genesis before the Law.

In the Law of Moses, not everyone was required to tithe or give firstfruits. Only those who were actually growing food or raising sheep or cattle were required by the Law to tithe the food or present firstfruits. People from other occupations were not required to tithe since they had no harvest or growth of flocks to tithe or to present firstfruits from. Not everyone tithed food who lived under the Law. No one under the Law tithed money at all.

Christ has only a few words to say about tithing. In those words, Christ does not say that everyone should tithe. He says that unbelieving Jews living under the Law should tithe food if they are growing it. He mentions three food plants. Christ is not addressing His disciples. He is addressing unbelieving Pharisees.

The apostle Paul does not teach that everyone is obligated to tithe or to even to give. He teaches that giving is completely voluntary. The first apostolic council in Acts Chapter 15 does not say that Gentile believers should tithe either. There is absolutely no evidence that any Gentile Christian in the First Century ever tithed anything.

Everyone gives 10% of ongoing income. Considering the gives element. The two events before the Law do seem like giving. They are both voluntary acts. God does not require either man, Abraham or Jacob, to give anything. While this does on the surface seem to support the tithing teaching, it actually contradicts some aspects of the Tithing Obligation teaching. While the proponents of tithing teach that tithing is giving, they also often teach that tithing is required, that a tithe must be paid. Of course, this is a contradiction in their teaching. Something can be only given if it is entirely voluntary. If it is required, then it is, in this case, a fee for spiritual services or a religious tax. If some teach that a believer comes under a curse if they do not tithe, then they are not teaching giving but teaching paying an obligated tithe. Of course, they are right in one sense because they are often spiritualizing the Law of Moses to teach tithing.

Tithing in the Law of Moses was never giving. It was much more like paying taxes. The Law of Moses required tithing by farmers and husbandmen. They would not have seen their tithing as giving. There was nothing voluntary in their paying tithe. They would have been in violation of the Law if they had not done it.

Again, Christ has very little to say about tithing. He did say that Jewish people living under the Law pay tithe. Christ does teach a great deal about finances and giving but never instructs His disciples to tithe money or anything else. He does not instruct them to receive tithes either.

Paul writes a great deal about finances and giving but never instructs anyone to tithe or to receive tithes. The first apostolic council in Acts Chapter 15 is silent on the subject of tithing but is clear that Gentiles are not to keep any aspects of the Law of Moses. That would include tithing of anything.

Everyone gives 10% of ongoing income. Considering the 10% element. The two events before the Law of Moses do seem to support the idea that ten percent of something should be given. The number ten is the same. However, the other four elements are significantly different. This makes tithing being practiced by the Church very different from what is happening in Genesis. The only similarity is the ten percent number.

Christ does validate the ten-percent number but only for Jews living under the Law of Moses. He tells the Pharisees that they should pay tithe, ten percent, of their produced food. He also tells them that paying ten-percent is not a weighty matter of the Law. In saying this, Christ does tell us that tithing is a matter of the Law.

The apostle Paul repeatedly warns believers about the curse of the Law. Gentile believers should not attempt to keep any aspects of the Law. Believers are not required to give ten-percent of food or anything else. The writings of the other apostles, James and Peter, are silent about Christians giving ten percent of food or anything else.

Everyone gives 10% of ongoing income. Considering the ongoing element. The two examples before the Law of Moses do not reveal the practice of on-going tithing. They both appear strongly to be one-time acts. In the case of Jacob, we don’t know exactly what he did but it does seem that he is promising to tithe once if God blesses him. The Church’s practice of ongoing, repetitious tithing simply cannot be validated by two one-time acts.

The only place in the Bible where ongoing, repetitious tithing can be found is in the Law of Moses. Those who were farming or practicing husbandry in Israel had a lifetime obligation to tithe the food that they produced. This ongoing food tithe to support the Mosaic Levitical ministry is often spiritualized to justify repetitious money tithing in support of Christian ministry. This justification is not found in the New Testament.

Christ’s statement about tithing reveals that the ongoing tithing of food is under the Law. Christ says nothing about His disciples practicing ongoing tithing of anything. While the writings of the apostles in the New Testament often speak of generous giving, they are silent about ongoing tithing of anything. The first apostolic council is also silent about ongoing tithing of anything but releases Gentile believers from any aspects of keeping the Law of Moses.

Everyone gives 10% of ongoing income. Considering the income element. Abraham tithes on the spoils of war, not his entire income. Abraham tithed the captured belongings of his defeated enemies. Additionally, Genesis reveals that Abraham didn’t even keep the ninety percent that was remaining. He returned those possessions to the King of Sodom. Abraham’s income, his possessions or any part of his own wealth wasn’t involved at all in his tithing. He had no increase to tithe on. In Jacob’s case, we don’t know exactly what he did since all Genesis records is his promise to God. In other words, there is no support in the events before the Law that Christians should give ten percent of their ongoing income.

Nearly everyone that teaches tithing resorts to using the Law and prophets under the Law to teach it. Those that teach Christian tithing from the Law often neglect to reveal that only food produced was tithed on but never money. Only those who earned their livings by producing food tithed at all. Those Israelites who earned money by other means such as tent making, weaving, carpentry, money lending, fishing or many other occupations never tithed on their incomes since it was not commanded of them.

Christ does not change tithing food to tithing money. The writings of the apostles do not change tithing food to tithing money. The apostolic council releases the Gentile believers from any keeping of the Law. They certainly do not change tithing food to tithing money. The book of Hebrews does mention the Old Testament tithing of food but does not validate tithing money for believers today.

Finally, it should be obvious to the reader that this doctrine is pieced together from these various passages. Not a single passage in itself actually teaches what the Church practices today. Spiritualization of the Law is used to teach tithing. Reasoning that is not found in the Bible is used to justify Christians embracing a legalistic practice from the Old Testament. In more than 4000 years of recorded Biblical history, there is not a single recorded example of tithing that is similar to what the Church practices today. We recommend that every Christian renounce this unscriptural practice and reject any lingering fear, guilt or condemnation! God’s children have no debt to their Father to pay other than thanksgiving and praise. Their elder brother, the Lord Jesus Christ, has paid in full the debt. Christ will build His Church but only with the truth. He needs no help from a false doctrine that puts the Children of God under bondage and the curse of the Law. The children are free! (A portion of this article was taken from Dr.Sapp’s book “The Children are Free” the third book in the “Paid in Full” Financial Series. This book examines in great detail the teaching of tithing.) The CD series below goes through the 10 questions above. It is a good way to explain to someone why tithing is not God’s way.

The Lonliness of the Christian

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I found this little pearl here:

http://www.awildernessvoice.com/Lonely.htm

By: A.W. Tozer

The loneliness of the Christian results from his walk with God in an ungodly world, a walk that must often take him away from the fellowship of good Christians as well as from that of the unregenerate world. His God-given instincts cry out for companionship with others of his kind, others who can understand his longings, his aspirations, his absorption in the love of Christ; and because within his circle of friends there are so few who share his inner experiences he is forced to walk alone. The unsatisfied longings of the prophets for human understanding caused them to cry out in their complaint, and even our Lord Himself suffered in the same way.

The man [or woman] who has passed on into the divine Presence in actual inner experience will not find many who understand him. He finds few who care to talk about that which is the supreme object of his interest, so he is often silent and preoccupied in the midst of noisy religious shoptalk. For this he earns the reputation of being dull and over-serious, so he is avoided and the gulf between him and society widens. He searches for friends upon whose garments he can detect the smell of myrrh and aloes and cassia out of the ivory palaces, and finding few or none he, like Mary of old, keeps these things in his heart.

It is this very loneliness that throws him back upon God. His inability to find human companionship drives him to seek in God what he can find nowhere else.

“And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.” (Revelation 12:11)

Church — stay or leave?

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(Note: This is NOT an endorsement to somehow get people to leave their churches. This is for those who are beginning to question whether to stay or not.)

February 9, 1976 I was born-again. It did not take place in church. No one led me in what is known as a sinner’s prayer. I wasn’t given a sugar-coated Gospel about God being all love with no wrath or judgment. No, I was given the truth: you are lost in your sins toward a holy God and are going to hell. When my eyes were finally able to see the truth, I called out for mercy to that holy God and went from darkness to light in the blink of an eye. I truly was — born-again.

I began going to church, thinking it was the right thing to do. Not knowing much about the word of God, I automatically trusted those in authority. Until, that one day when the Sunday school teachers called black folk the “N” word. That was a complete turn off and it was then I stopped going to that particular church, and never finding one again until I met my husband in 1988.

But now, there is no church and at times, I know I am being judged by certain individuals because I do not attend church. I used to care. But not anymore. It is hard to care about what others think when they are not testing things and are following every wind of doctrine. Somehow their opinion of me just does not matter.

When I was a baby Christian I had a fear of the Rapture happening and that I would be left behind. I reasoned the best place to be would be in the church. So on Sunday, I sat in church thinking how safe I was by just sitting in the pew.

But you will not find me using church as a means of a safety net now. I’ve grown up, I’ve matured. I’ve been through so much in my lifetime, that I have learned it has never been church that has gotten me through anything. Even people — as much as I have appreciated those whom God sends my way at times — have not been my source of true help. It has been Jesus. No other has loved me or cared for me like He has.

My days of trusting in a church pew are long gone.

In fact, I dare say, that it may just be one of the worst places you can be right now.

If you find yourself in a church service where the pastor or worship leader is trying to manipulate you, then you may want to leave. They practice witchcraft on you. What do I mean by witchcraft? Anything or anybody that desires to manipulate you in their likeness, for their causes, for their agenda, for their gain — that my friend, is witchcraft. You do not have to be standing over a boiling pot chanting some spell to practice witchcraft. Simply put: manipulation = witchcraft.

If you find yourself being ignored and poo-pooed because you have some cause for concerns, then you may want to leave. You are in a place where discernment is not allowed.

If you find yourself having to sit through teachings that just do not ring true, then search the Word of God to find if what is being taught is the truth. If you find it is not — and again, if those in authority do not listen, — you may want to leave. If you choose to stay, do not be surprised to find yourself being told you are  rebellious, unteachable, etc. You will have to decide if it is worth the emotional/spiritual/mental pain of staying and trying to make a difference. More than likely, it will not.

If the pastor is leading in some “new revelations” that you have never heard or/and trying to line up the church in some agenda that just does not set right with you, go to scripture. If it isn’t there, then it’s probably not of God.

If the pastor is esteeming outsiders and giving them authority to lead over you, you may want to leave. More than likely, that pastor is either giving up his sheep to a wolf or/and trying to establish himself among those whom he esteems.

If you are told to “give, give, give and God will bless you,” while the leaders live like kings and queens and you find you and your family doing without, you may want to leave. You are being fleeced to the core. It will be interesting to see how this kind of thing plays out if and when the economy collapses. Will your teachers and leaders give to YOU for a change? Or will they still be finding ways to get in your pocket?

If people are putting experiences, feelings over the Word of God, you may want to leave. The church has begun going into the twilight zone at this point and only God knows if there is any turning back.

If there comes signs and wonders of angel feathers … pleeeease check the duct work in the joint, for crying out loud.

If someone jumps up and says they have just been blessed with a gemstone from heaven, INSIST it be taken to a jeweler and go with them. IF it is real (I have my doubts — and so should you), then INSIST it be sold and given to the poor. If it is not real, then ask what craft store they got it at. Same thing goes for gold dust.

If someone says all of a sudden they have a gold tooth where once there was none, ask why God who created all things did not give a REAL tooth. Tell them to prove it.

If the spiritual among you start saying they see angels in your midst, you may want to get up and leave at that point. You probably are being set up to receive a greater delusion at another time.

If people start talking about orbs (unexplained balls of light) and calling them angels, then ask if it is ok for you to call them demons? If they tell you “no,” ask why your opinion is not as valid as theirs. After all, it is just their opinion an orb is an angel. There is no proof of anything here.

If leadership is bringing in certain books that you find occultic in nature and asking everyone to read it, you may want to leave. You are being set up for group-think, instead of being allowed to keep your individuality in Him that God intended you to have.

If you find yourself having to leave, you will ask yourself, “Lord, now what?” I can not say if He will answer you right away and tell you one thing or the other. He may be calling you to a place of being still and knowing He is God. Or He may show you another place (church) to go. I frankly do not know. However, I do know this: He has promised to never leave us nor forsake us. It could be He just wants you to know that He is more than enough in all things.

May you find Him more than enough.

Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. He who calls you is faithful, who also will do it. – 1 Thessalonians 5:23 – 24 –

(I am certain there are many more things that can be added to this list and if anyone knows of any, feel free to comment and leave one.)

What do you think about boogity, boogity, boogity prayer?

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I know, I know. Somebody out there is going to call me a Pharisee over this. But really now … if God is a holy God — full of might and power — then where does man come off believing it is ok to approach God like this? It was just a few years ago when we had Tod Bently — the infamous lizard man — leading what some called revival with his cries of “Bam, bam, bam, bam” and “shekabumbah.” Now we have this: a man whom I am sure the world will love for ending his prayer with “boogity, boogity, boogity.” Oh did I mention he thanked God for his “smoking hot wife?”

I think if one wanted to pray before a race, one would pray for the safety of the drivers other than thanking God for fast cars, tires, a hot wife. etc. I wonder if God was smiling. After all, we have been taught He has a great sense of humor. Yet, somehow, I do not see God caring one wit about fast cars, tires or car races.

I am convinced there is a true remnant of God somewhere, but this? This is not part of it.

Has Bethel’s ministry infiltrated the City of Redding?

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Following article gotten here:

http://blogs.redding.com/lwinter/archives/2011/07/has-bethels-min.html

My comments in green to help Bethel followers to understand where your leaders are coming from.

I think it’s a fair question given the mandate Bethel ministries proclaims.

Here’s Bill Johnson...

“We’re to actually bring nations into a place of discipleship before God.  God has a heart for nations to be completely transformed and saved, and we have been given a mandate and an opportunity to really step in to give influence on a national and international level.”

The Lord wants and desires all to come to Him. However, this is not the same thing as transforming the nations. We already know the nations are evil and will continue to be until the end of time. To think otherwise — to believe man or government can change the nations — is Dominion Theology; the teaching that the church has to take over everything before Jesus comes back. THIS IS A LIE. It is also one of an anti-christ spirit, for it is not dependence upon God, but one of a type of humanism and witchcraft of decreeing and declaring this-n-that. I find it interesting that the apostates decree and declare health/wealth, (never asking God for anything) yet in public movements they make a big show of repentence and mercy.   

I would also ask here: Who would be doing the discipling after the nations were brought into a place of discipleship? The answer is clear: The likes of Bill Johnson and other apostates.  

What does Bill Johnson mean when he says “transformed” and how to accomplish this task?

“So that’s the mandate we have, is to raise up people that can infiltrate the systems, to bring the reality of King Jesus, his presence, his power, his order, his government, his structure, his method of life, his method of honor, his treatment of other peoples, to bring that into nations.  And  thats the mandate we’ve been given.”

I — for one — do not sense, feel, believe any such mandate is upon me. Neither do you have such a mandate. The one mandate I do see is to pick up our cross and follow Jesus. A hard thing to do! God is NOT calling us to mandate/force His will on anyone. His will is simple: That no one should perish, but that all should come to repentence. He’s certainly not going to force that upon anyone. 

Well, that is their prerogative to make this attempt to infiltrate systems, an interesting way to say government by the way, as with any other special interest.  But what does that have to do  with the City of Redding?  Mr. Johnson admits that what they are training people to do in the political sphere is to be exported out of Redding.

But what exactly are they exporting?

“My role, your role, this house, is to export it.  It means our job isn’t  to go around telling, just teaching and ministering out of our gift.  Our job is to take what we are experiencing on a local church level.  What we are experiencing on a city wide level.  Taking a portion of that, that’s our message now.”

Hmmm.  How about some more specifics…

Our message is not now just a teaching, our message is now a method that’s been lived out in the culture of our local church.  Demonstrated in the culture of the community, a city.  Taking that piece of it to another place, transplanting it, imparting it to people.

The message is one does not need to be born-again. Just simply fall under the leadership of these apostates. THAT is the true message of these people. They would have us to believe if they can just get their agenda out, then everything will follow according to plan. Their plan, not God’s. 

Now it’s getting a bit more personal, local.  Here’s more…

So were not just talking about a theory, a concept, a principle, were talking about something that’s been tested in the environment of local church and city life.  And that’s what we do.  We’re exporters.  I don’t ever want to change that.  But my heart burns to be able to say, you know what, let’s experiment at home.  Let’s get it working.  Let’s get, let’s get the wrinkles out of this thing.  Let’s get a model that is, that can be duplicated anywhere in the world.  It’s not American culture, it’s revival culture and let’s take it somewhere.

So, if their goal is to export graduates that can infiltrate systems at the national and international level.  To bring revivalist culture to governments, their method is to perfect a shining example, a model to be transported around the world based on their civic work in Redding.

So, my headline is a fair and open question.

Dictionary meaning of Infiltrate: 1. To pass (troops, for example) surreptitiously into enemy-held territory.
2. To penetrate with hostile intent: infiltrate enemy lines; terrorists that had infiltrated the country.
3. To enter or take up positions in gradually or surreptitiously, as for purposes of espionage or takeover: infiltrated key government agencies with spies.
4. To gain entrance gradually or surreptitiously.

In order to infiltrate, don’t you have to pretend to be one thing while actually being something else? Somehow I can not see Jesus, Paul, Peter and the others infiltrating anything. They did things so much out in the open that it got them killed! 

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