What do you think about boogity, boogity, boogity prayer?

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I know, I know. Somebody out there is going to call me a Pharisee over this. But really now … if God is a holy God — full of might and power — then where does man come off believing it is ok to approach God like this? It was just a few years ago when we had Tod Bently — the infamous lizard man — leading what some called revival with his cries of “Bam, bam, bam, bam” and “shekabumbah.” Now we have this: a man whom I am sure the world will love for ending his prayer with “boogity, boogity, boogity.” Oh did I mention he thanked God for his “smoking hot wife?”

I think if one wanted to pray before a race, one would pray for the safety of the drivers other than thanking God for fast cars, tires, a hot wife. etc. I wonder if God was smiling. After all, we have been taught He has a great sense of humor. Yet, somehow, I do not see God caring one wit about fast cars, tires or car races.

I am convinced there is a true remnant of God somewhere, but this? This is not part of it.

Has Bethel’s ministry infiltrated the City of Redding?

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Following article gotten here:

http://blogs.redding.com/lwinter/archives/2011/07/has-bethels-min.html

My comments in green to help Bethel followers to understand where your leaders are coming from.

I think it’s a fair question given the mandate Bethel ministries proclaims.

Here’s Bill Johnson...

“We’re to actually bring nations into a place of discipleship before God.  God has a heart for nations to be completely transformed and saved, and we have been given a mandate and an opportunity to really step in to give influence on a national and international level.”

The Lord wants and desires all to come to Him. However, this is not the same thing as transforming the nations. We already know the nations are evil and will continue to be until the end of time. To think otherwise — to believe man or government can change the nations — is Dominion Theology; the teaching that the church has to take over everything before Jesus comes back. THIS IS A LIE. It is also one of an anti-christ spirit, for it is not dependence upon God, but one of a type of humanism and witchcraft of decreeing and declaring this-n-that. I find it interesting that the apostates decree and declare health/wealth, (never asking God for anything) yet in public movements they make a big show of repentence and mercy.   

I would also ask here: Who would be doing the discipling after the nations were brought into a place of discipleship? The answer is clear: The likes of Bill Johnson and other apostates.  

What does Bill Johnson mean when he says “transformed” and how to accomplish this task?

“So that’s the mandate we have, is to raise up people that can infiltrate the systems, to bring the reality of King Jesus, his presence, his power, his order, his government, his structure, his method of life, his method of honor, his treatment of other peoples, to bring that into nations.  And  thats the mandate we’ve been given.”

I — for one — do not sense, feel, believe any such mandate is upon me. Neither do you have such a mandate. The one mandate I do see is to pick up our cross and follow Jesus. A hard thing to do! God is NOT calling us to mandate/force His will on anyone. His will is simple: That no one should perish, but that all should come to repentence. He’s certainly not going to force that upon anyone. 

Well, that is their prerogative to make this attempt to infiltrate systems, an interesting way to say government by the way, as with any other special interest.  But what does that have to do  with the City of Redding?  Mr. Johnson admits that what they are training people to do in the political sphere is to be exported out of Redding.

But what exactly are they exporting?

“My role, your role, this house, is to export it.  It means our job isn’t  to go around telling, just teaching and ministering out of our gift.  Our job is to take what we are experiencing on a local church level.  What we are experiencing on a city wide level.  Taking a portion of that, that’s our message now.”

Hmmm.  How about some more specifics…

Our message is not now just a teaching, our message is now a method that’s been lived out in the culture of our local church.  Demonstrated in the culture of the community, a city.  Taking that piece of it to another place, transplanting it, imparting it to people.

The message is one does not need to be born-again. Just simply fall under the leadership of these apostates. THAT is the true message of these people. They would have us to believe if they can just get their agenda out, then everything will follow according to plan. Their plan, not God’s. 

Now it’s getting a bit more personal, local.  Here’s more…

So were not just talking about a theory, a concept, a principle, were talking about something that’s been tested in the environment of local church and city life.  And that’s what we do.  We’re exporters.  I don’t ever want to change that.  But my heart burns to be able to say, you know what, let’s experiment at home.  Let’s get it working.  Let’s get, let’s get the wrinkles out of this thing.  Let’s get a model that is, that can be duplicated anywhere in the world.  It’s not American culture, it’s revival culture and let’s take it somewhere.

So, if their goal is to export graduates that can infiltrate systems at the national and international level.  To bring revivalist culture to governments, their method is to perfect a shining example, a model to be transported around the world based on their civic work in Redding.

So, my headline is a fair and open question.

Dictionary meaning of Infiltrate: 1. To pass (troops, for example) surreptitiously into enemy-held territory.
2. To penetrate with hostile intent: infiltrate enemy lines; terrorists that had infiltrated the country.
3. To enter or take up positions in gradually or surreptitiously, as for purposes of espionage or takeover: infiltrated key government agencies with spies.
4. To gain entrance gradually or surreptitiously.

In order to infiltrate, don’t you have to pretend to be one thing while actually being something else? Somehow I can not see Jesus, Paul, Peter and the others infiltrating anything. They did things so much out in the open that it got them killed! 

A Pagan Gets it Right

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The following was taken from a Pagan blog. I must say it is pretty darn sad when Pagans have more discernment to what is going on within the apostate church, than the church does. Though I can not ago along with Pagan practices, (I worship only one God) I respect them for their ability to see in an area that the church does not.

The following was gotten here: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/tag/heartland-apostolic-prayer-network

I’ve written at some length about the upcoming prayer rally “The Response” and its problematic organizers and endorsers, and I have also devoted quite a bit of time to the New Apostolic Reformation, a neo-Pentecostal Christian movement that regularly engages in spiritual warfare tactics, displays a disturbing anti-Pagan emphasis, and has intertwined itself with Perry and his prayer event. While I use the terminology “spiritual warfare” quite often, I think that it’s hard to envision what this practice is like among the Christians who engage in it. I’ve mentioned that it is, in essence, malefic magic, but that’s often a difficult picture to square with the usual harmless image of devout Christians with heads bowed and hands clasped. But an upcoming New Apostolic Reformation-led event, brought to my attention by fellow Pagan blogger Hecate, does an very good job of illustrating how “spiritual warfare” works in their context.

Releasing the Prophetic Destiny of a Nation. Oh goody goody, we have the likes of Cindy Jacobs and others praying (in Jacobs case: screeching like some kind of banshee) for the nation. That is comforting. Yes, I’m being sarcastic. How any Christian can take this stuff serious is beyond me. WHERE are we told in the word of God to do this? WHERE are we told to line ourselves up with such a thing? Instead we are told there is a remnant of God. (Of which I hope and pray I am part of) If thousands and thousands of people are doing the very same thing at the very same time, where is the remnant?   

The above video is from an upcoming prayer-war event called “DC40″ which will “lay siege” on Washington D.C. to change the “District of Columbia” into the “Disctrict of Christ” (they even issued a faux-legal “divorce decree”). This initiative is being co-led by Cindy Jacobs (who managed to find the spiritual bright-side in the Japan and Haiti earthquakes) and John Benefiel of the Heartland Apostolic Prayer Network (HAPN), both influential figures in the New Apostolic Reformation movement, and both are national endorsers for Rick Perry’s “The Response.” In anther video, organizer and “prophetic artist” James Nesbit makes clear that the goal is to return Washington D.C. to Christ, and to eliminate compromise in our government.

The whole video is one of manipulation from his voice to the music in the back-ground. Take away the music and he would not be able to speak with such heart-felt passion. As Christains we are being led to believe that we must take part in order to bring about some kind of change in our nation. He asks, “can all 50 states cry at the same time?” I suppose there are some who would believe God would really be impressed with such a thing. However, I don’t believe God is impressed with man’s schemes, goals, agendas or/and plans at all.  What happened to the prayer closet? Whatever happened to picking up your cross and following Jesus? Instead there is a move among the so-called apostles/prophets of today to just get government to do what we as the Bride of Christ should be doing: That is one of leading others to the truth.

Christians can not legislate moral behavior. Christians can not nor should not force others to believe through laws to behave what they consider godly. Only a holy God can do that and that is through repentence and being born-again. Nothing else. When the church begins to want to use government to force a nation to behave a certain way, then rest assured they have allowed government to become their god. It is no different than those who already depend upon government to answer every need. 

That animus towards compromise isn’t an aberration. Benefiel’s HAPN released a “Declaration of Light” that made it very clear that they have “no power to purpose or accept any compromise of the promises of God, and we declare illegal in the earth any action or any people, Nation or nations that undertake what is contradictory to the Word of God.” In short, if it isn’t God-sanctified, it doesn’t apply to them.

Now many see these sorts of things and simply scoff. But for a large number of modern Pagans the focused intent of will, the use of prayer to achieve goals, the harnessing of intent towards a shared goal is taken very seriously, we call it magic (or magick). If we believe that groups of Pagans working towards some shared spiritual goal is effective, then by extension we can’t help but take an initiative to harness the wills and intents of thousands of Christians towards a goal that would marginalize or harm our faiths seriously. These prayer warriors make plain that their “struggle is not against flesh and blood” and that they “do not curse those deceived,” but disclaimers do not make malefic magic positive. These groups have made it very, very, clear that our gods are their enemies.

I am glad the writer made a distinction between those who want to spend their time fighting gods they do not believe in from those of us who would rather find something better to do with our time. The Christian who wants to fight gods they do not believe in, are silly. No different than an atheist who would spend all their time getting upset over a god they did not believe in. From the Christian standpoint, I suppose it is much easier than actually picking up the cross.

The question is how do we respond? Some want to respond with their own magical action, but would that simply feed their spiritual warfare paradigm? As the New Apostolic Reformation climbs the ladder of influence and power within politics, organizing their massive group spells, simply ignoring them seems to be quickly fading away as an option.

A comment taken from the site concerning this matter: Perhaps we should become “better healers than they are warriors”?  And I think a healthy dose of humor would be a good healing tactic.

I wish I had her sense of humor. But I don’t. I think these false prophets/apostles are leading the church straight to anti-christ.  Whatever, whoever it is.

If I had to choose between the two, I would much rather have a pagan for my friend than these who are setting themselves up for the rest of the church to follow.