The “Jesus Culture” – a petri dish for growing young new heretics?


bzel333: The Jesus Culture Conferences are teaching biblical error. Some biblical errors are more obvious than others. One error that can be hard to detect is the “different gospel” that is taught and preached consistently throughout Jesus Culture’s teachings. It is “Word of faith” and signs and wonders and not at all Christ centered and cross focused. If you are planning to attend a Jesus Culture Conference, I would strongly reconsider attending.

Tod Bentley and his angel of “Finance.”


Video date April 12, 2010 (so the glory event has probably happened.)

Looking like some cheap knock off of Anton Levey, Tod Bentley once again is spreading his lies. This time is about his encounter with the “angel of finance.” Bob Jones, Rick Joyner — all the great ones have encouraged him with this latest lie.

“Bob Jones said he too had an encounter with an angel called the international banker.” Of course, Bob Jones did. This man, I believe is so demonically possessed at this point he can’t know a devil from an angel. Remember, he had a three foot angel (demon) named “Charlie” appear before him. I do not mean to be unkind but someone needs to take him to go get his head examined. It IS possible he has a brain tumor at this stage in his life or something.

TB, Jones and Joyner all having visions or whatever during the same time, was God’s way of telling them, He was going to release finances. “God wants to release that angelic realm that controls finances. Not just for buisness, not just for the kingdom, but the nations.”

After reading from Isaiaih 45, TB exploits God’s word by saying : “It’s time for God to give us the treasures of darkness. That’s always been the promise.”

I’m afraid this treasure of darkness TB speaks of, is exactly that — a treasure of darkness such as the man he is.

Then blah, blah, blah all his worn-out talk once again about glory. Glory equaling wealth, riches, etc. I suppose if you are able to deceive as many as you can to give to your ministry, yep, you will see that ol’ glory, Tod.

They want people to come to the glory conference that represents their debts. Really? How about taking you bills and letting TB pay for them? That’s an idea.

“Supernatural transfer of wealth.”

There is gonna be a transfer of wealth alright. But not the kind TB and his minions talk of. It is an enemy within the United States. It is called communism and TB and his people want to make sure they get your piece of the pie before government gets it.

TB manipulates by trying to speak to women to fund his ministry.

Just as God truly has His remnant all ove the Untied States, you can bet Satan is setting up his children alsos. Tob Bentley is one of many.

Please forgive me, my friends. I just can not transcribe all the lies and embellishments of this man. But know this: TB is still at large and still fleecing any sheep that either do not take time to test things or are looking to God as a genie. Or trusting man to hear from God for them.

When the doo-doo hits the fan in this nation, these fakes will not have a leg to stand on. Do not be so foolish to give your money to them. They will NOT be the ones to save you. Do NOT put your trust in them or their teachings for their teachings come from hell and lying demons.

Greater Glory Gathering and a New Angel!

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In light of Patricia King’s new “minty green angel”  (just in time for Saint Patrick’s Day, I might add) we now have the International Banker angel to contend with. Following article gotten here:

Mt 16:4  A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

I want you to get this picture in your mind – you’re sitting in church and the pastor opens the Bible and begins expository teaching.  He takes you verse by verse through the Scriptures and he actually teaches you the Word of God.  It’s a nice picture, isn’t it?  Do you want to see the exact opposite of that?  Keep reading.

Bob Jones had an angelic encounter recently and said that the angel introduced himself as the “angel that was the International Banker.”  I’m thinking this is the angel of finance with a new title, because Rick Joyner relates that instead of introducing himself as the angel of finance, he introduced himself as “International Banker.”  Wow.  Ya know, I’m highly irritated that the Bible failed to mention this specific angel to me.  If it hadn’t been for Bob Jones, Todd Bentley, and Rick Joyner, I would have never even known this particular angel existed.  The nerve!

In this video, Rick Joyner and Todd Bentley announce the Greater Glory Gathering, which is going to be held from April 18 to 21, 2010, at Heritage International Ministries.  They stress that this is not a school and it’s not a conference, it’s a gathering!  Featured speakers will be  Bob Jones, Rick Joyner, Todd Bentley, Ryan Wyatt, and Jason Hooper, and with a lineup like that, it promises to be a real mystical experience!

Conferences, revival schools, and gatherings are nothing new with Joyner; they have them all the time.  The marketing spin they put on each one of them grows more colorful and lively than the one before it.  What’s interesting about this particular “gathering” is that Todd Bentley is saying it was reinforced, or rather inspired, by encounters he has been having recently.  In one encounter, he was digging through some rubble when he found a manual.  It was a manual about God’s greater glory.  What a convenient vision to have right before a “greater glory” gathering, wouldn’t you say?  He then compares it to when Josiah and Hilkiah dug the book of Moses out of the rubble of Solomon’s temple, which resulted in the greatest revival in the history of Israel.

(Insert the power of suggestion here…we will have revival…we will have revival…we will have revival.  God told me (Bentley) in a vision that there would be revival, even gave me the how-to manual, so there’s gonna be a revival, folks!  You just need to believe it and jump on board!  It’s up to you!  Come on!  We can’t have revival without you!)

In another encounter, Bentley was visited by an angel with gemstones in its wings.  This angel stood like a man, was six-feet-two-inches tall, and had wings like a cherubim.  The angel said to Bentley, “I’ve come to speak about finance, and the release of finance and the wealth of nations.”  What an important message!  I mean, there’s nothing else the church needs to hear about more than money!  It’s all according to who you know, and this would be a great contact to have if you’re interested in fronting a global revival!  Revival requires money, and the gem-stone angel is here to make sure the blessing of finance is released… that is, to deceive you into releasing your money and sending it to Bentley.

So, immediately after this angelic visitation, he gets on the telephone with Bob Jones, and Jones said, “Didn’t I tell you the word I had about the international banker that visited me!?”   Rick Joyner interjects, “Yeah, that was a name for an angel.”  Bentley then relates that that was how the angel had introduced himself to Bob Jones – “The angel that was the international banker.”  Joyner then informs us that this angel is over the treasuries of Heaven for the earth, therefore, there will be financial breakthroughs in the form of debt cancellation.

Here’s where it gets maddening.  Joyner goes into a strange interpretation of Scripture where he says that when God showed Moses his back side, He was showing him His stripes on His back, and that’s where people’s financial debt was cancelled.  Those stripes.  Right there.  On His back.  Go ahead and max out your credit card and heap things up to satisfy your fleshly desires – God the Father has those stripes upon His back to cancel your financial debt.  Now, Joyner does say that those stripes were taken to cancel all debt, but money debt is definitely one of them.  This unscriptural interpretation smacks of Oneness Pentecostalism, it isn’t sound Biblical doctrine.  God the Father doesn’t have stripes upon His back, those were taken by Jesus Christ, the Son of God who became flesh – not the Father!

Now, to be fair, Joyner did acknowledge that some people are in the financial shape they’re in because of foolish decisions.  I concur!  But then he and Bentley go on to say that the manifest presence is about more than signs or debt cancellation, it’s about the “glory.”  The glory that’s coming.  Bentley says that in the past they saw gold, angel feathers, and all kinds of signs such as gemstones and diamonds, which was evidence to them that God’s glory was being poured out.   But in this Greater Glory Gathering, it’s God’s manifest presence they’re after – the person of God.  Problem is, Jesus said no one comes to the Father except through Him.  He is the door, and should they try to come up any other way, they are the same as a thief and a robber.  (John 14:6)

So many people are looking for signs, but Jesus said no sign would be given except the sign of Jonah.  As Jonah was three days and nights in the belly of the whale, so was Jesus three days and nights in the heart of the earth.  (Matthew 12:40)  They fail to remember that Jesus said that only a wicked and adulterous generation seeks a sign.  But, those who hear the voice of God’s Son, who follow His words, who walk in His ways, who believe in Him…those are the ones who, like Abraham, believe God, and will have it imputed to them as righteousness.  (Romans 4:3)  What other sign more marvelous can God the Father give us than the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, His Son?  There is none.  Not gemstones, not angel feathers, not diamonds.  It isn’t those things which show God’s glory – God was glorified through His Son!

Those who neglect the Son of God and search beyond Jesus for further proof of God’s glory have completely missed the whole point.  Paul, who truly visited the third Heaven didn’t tell tall tales of glory clouds and gem-encrusted angels, he said this:  “And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.  For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.”  (1 Corinthians 2:1-2)

Outside of that, there is nothing.  May we ever keep our eyes and hearts upon Jesus!


The following comments taken from slaughteringthesheep blog are great  examples of Bereans testing all things:

“Joyner then informs us that this angel is over the treasuries of Heaven for the earth. There will be financial breakthroughs in the form of debt cancellation.”

This debt retirement couldn’t come at a better time for MorningStar in view of its debt. — Ian —


Hey, is this “angel that was the International Banker” mint green ? Methinks he’s visited ol’ Patty King. — Denise —


The angel will be showing up at the gathering and his word will be in line with the word Todd gave when he did his $1,000 sham in Lakeland. I am willing to bet that the promise of wealth transfer will be pushed over and over during this gathering. You cancel Morningstar’s debt and this angel will see all your debt will be cancelled as well.

The more you give the greater your blessing will be. Your influnce with God will also be greater. Man, the suckers still believe this crap.

They deserve to be fleeced to their last penny. — Rick —


If the angel is in charge of the ” treasuries of heaven ” why doesn’t he finagle some way of bringing some of it with him ? And why doesn’t this financial angel teach seed faith to Rick Joyner so Rick doesn’t have to keep taking up collections from the poor people in his audience? That way, Rick can finally be a blessing and give away some money instead of sucking people dry. But then again, maybe these folk are getting what they deserve, just by showing up and listening to these clowns.

By the way, can anyone explain to me why we need treasuries in heaven, the streets are paved with gold for crying out loud. I always thought the real treasure in heaven would be Jesus Christ – oh yeah, they forgot about that !

–Robert —


You know they’ve been priming that pump for years by telling people that blessings come when they open their wallets and give generously. So, now with the appearance of this “angel” (demon), people will think that the outpouring will be commensurate with their giving and so these guys will just take the money (as they always do) and pad their accounts and then tell people how much blessing is coming from their giving and they should keep giving so that the annointing will increase.

I would just remind folks of Simon in Acts 8 who thought that he could buy the ability to bless people with the power of the Holy Spirit and he was directly rebuked and told that he was in the gall of bitterness and in the bond of iniquity. These guys are akin with the likes of Simon the Sorcerer. Perhaps they can get together with Christina Glenn and scream a little louder so that the banking angel will release more funds.

In His service,



After nearly 30 years in the financial services industry, I can tell you from experience that any “angel” name “international banker” is 100% a fallen angel/demon. 2sd2lol
These knuckleheads are bringing the New Age Aquarius eastern mysticism into what passes for the “church.” Alice Bailey and Barbara Marx Hubbard taught extensively about these Luciferian lies (as if they were truth), and we who follow Jesus as Lord, (and no ascended master jesus counterfeit) are the cancer they wish to cut out to save the body of new humans who will be “cleansed” and made into demon motels for the age to come. They all want their way for 2012 and we are holding things up, so we must be removed.
Tribulation, both small and great, are NOT the wrath of God, but the wrath of satan. Jesus said we would see tribulation even as such that has never been seen before or will ever happen again.
God has always delivered His own THROUGH floods, fire, lions etc…some to live another day, some to glory. How many people got on the ark after God closed the door? While the flood was a judgement from God, the Great Tribulation is from Satan….ah but the wrath of God is not for those of us who are in Christ Jesus, be of good cheer saints, He has overcome the world, and so will we who are in Christ Jesus,…martyr means witness, and there are many under the alter spoken of in Revelation.
When we lose our religion about Him based upon the traditions of men, and embrace Him as Lord, we begin to see clearly, and the seeming mysteries of Revelation become clear…but you must allow Him to tear everything not built by Him down, reducing you to Christ Jesus, so He can build on Himself as the Foundation. You can’t hang His Truth on a superstructure of traditions of men…He won’t allow it. Many are called, few are chosen, narrow is the path that leads to Eternal Life, and few there be that find it. The rest are ever learning but never able to come to the knowlege of Truth.

— Mickie —

Hey, if the great Jerry Fall well can’t pull it off, how will a hack like Joyner?

This kind of mularky isn’t just for the charismatic wolf, it is there in the baptist wolf as well. Watch this and be amazed/sickened.


So Bob, you had a visit with an angel..

Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!

(Bob’s also part of the IHOP camp that promotes ‘the god within you’, that promotes Contemplative prayer, that promotes Catholic mystics, and other highly unusual and unbiblical teachings…) Bob, you need to understand that the gospel you are now promoting is one that is OTHER than the one that was preached to the church…

Bob, why was it you left IHOP? What have you done to correct the thing that made you leave? Where is the repentance/change in your behavior, Bob?

Because we can all laugh about the Banker angel and the stupidity of your messages, but in all seriousness, you have a serious problem, Bob.

…and what was that part about teachers having a stricter judgement, Bob?

— Annunk —


I can see it now: “angel International Banker is called before the Senate finance Comittee to explain WHY blessings have not been made as available to poor people as they are to the “RICH”.
I know, this isn’t a political blog, and Chrystal, I hope that you don’t mind my one little joke.
Angels don’t interest me as much as the One who sends them to accomplish His will.
Amongst us former Charismatics, who else rmembers “The Happy Hunters” the husband and wife team which went gaga over angels? They couldn’t butter their toast in the morning without some angel handing them the marmalade. (kidding. barely) — Doug —


Hmm…international banker. Not so inspiring a title considering the fallout and crash of our economy. I think I prefer “minister of finance” it has much more class. For those truly desperate for a breakthrough in debt, our government offers a legal and relatively quick solution – bankruptcy. It may not be the wild ride of “breakthrough” that Toddie and Bobo promise, but it’s a sure thing. You won’t need to chant or stand on your head or listen to sheeka boom ba, just see an attorney. And 6 months later – BAM – you’re outta debt! More miraculous than gold dust! — Mkayla —

Todd Bentley could be assassinated? Yes, really. And it’s your fault

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Article found here:

I have been following Todd Bentley for about nine years now and what follows is quite brazen even to me. Evangelist Bentley, thanks to his print and internet critics, could be assassinated. Or so says Jesus, if we are to believe “prophet” Bob Jones.

Before you look for Sirhan B. Sirhan in the baptistry of the Morningstar facility where Todd Bentley is lauching his new, and probably unimproved, revival, I have to add that everyone is being quite serious about all this. The stench of this word, in my opinion, reeks. All this is  a bad, bad omen for those who were hoping and praying that Bentley was learning and repenting from his past mistakes.

Bob Jones, who is infamous for his past teaching and actions (please scroll down to the entry under his name here), was a guest at the Morningstar Church services on January 3. Todd Bentley and his new wife Jessa were called up to the stage by Jones, as he said that Jesus had a prophetic word for them. (Todd Bentley liked the word so much, that he posted it on his website a day or so ago. You can watch it if you like, but in case it disappears later, I’ll be quoting it extensively.)

I am grateful to the blogger at Slaughter of the Sheep who was able to transcribe the relevant parts of the word last night before I could get to it myself. Her own post has some great insights as well.

The transcript begins at about 2:30 of the video as put on Bentley’s website and continues until about the ten minute mark. I’ve double checked it, and this is correct.

[UPDATE: The relevant part is now up at YouTube as well.

Bob Jones is speaking unless otherwise noted:

(Supposedly Jesus speaking here.) “I want you to break curses.  I want you to break a curse off of Todd Bentley.  Because well-meaning christians have put a curse on him, and that’s leaving an opening for him to be assassinated.  Also, that curse is on everyone that protects him.  In other words, MorningStar has been bombarded by this same disgruntled-Christian curse, not knowing what they’re doing.  Take the curse off it.  This building’s been…a curse put on it…take that off.”  (This next part is Bob talking for himself.)  “A curse has the ability to make you sick, discouraged, divided.  All these things have got to end now.  So, one of the first things I want to do is if Todd and his wife come up here – by the way, this isn’t an option to me, this is a command.  It’s a lot different than an option.  Uh, the Lord would not have me take this off of Todd and his wife unless there was a major purpose there for them.  One thing about the curse, I’ll just warn you about this, any curse you put on somebody will return to you.  So, if you’re going to err, err on the side of grace.”  (Rick Joyner speaks now.) “He’s speaking of Christians cursing others too with their words.  There’s awesome power in these words.”  (Bob Jones speaking now.)  “Yes, there’s awesome power in his words.  The first one I’m going to break is …(laying hands on Todd and Jessa)… ”I break the curse, the spoken word over my brother and my sister.  (Todd and Jessa begin shaking or manifesting.) And now let this … good, here it’s coming… and now let this curse be broken, and let them begin to get the vision for their future, and the purpose of the future, in Jesus’s name.  Good?  There comes the wind, good, good, good, good, good, good (they’re still shaking) … there, feel the wind?  It’s blowing it away.  Good.  Good.   Now, let the spirit man, the conscience be cleaned…let it be cleaned… so that the relationship with the Holy Spirit again can begin in the right way, in Jesus name, amen.  And, let now a new gift come into Todd, let it be discernment of spirit on a level he’s never known before.  In Jesus name, amen.  (At this point Todd begins repeatedly saying, “shoo, shoo, shoo” and bobbing and shaking his head.)  Now, let this supernatural faith that dwells within, let it come again.  Let that supernatural faith come again, that creative supernatural faith, in Jesus name.  Good.  It’s done.  The sword is out.  I now void this disparity against Todd.  Rick, can you see how his face flashes on him now.  See, that glory is back on him again.  And, uh…good.  Just take that deep breath.  One more.  There he goes.  (Bentley staggers and chuckles.)

(Joyner interjects) “You see on that video, there should be smoke coming out of his [Bentley’s] head. We’re gonna see more of that.”

(Todd and Jessa leave the stage and Bob Jones begins to speak again.)  “A spirit of infirmity is released through curses.  Most of the creative miracles I’ve done was breaking curses.  And I feel several infirmities here that are actually curses.  I feel lung infections, bronchial infections, sinus infections, uh, on these curses, you gotta learn to break them off of yourself, you don’t go along with this stuff.  Stomach, discouragement, disillusion, confusion, rejection, suicidal thoughts, all of that is coming because you’re being bombarded by the enemy.  And, I’m sorry to say but alot of this enemy is, uh, well-meaning Christians that think they’re doing God a favor by what they’re doing.  So, some of you that’s, uh, especially, that’s uh, had a pressure in your upper chest, like a heaviness, and a defeat on you, uh, lay your hands on yourself, because the main purpose of all of this is to get revelation for yourself again.  And, Bonnie has got a word that is really accurate here, but first what I want to do is break the curse off of Rick, for some of these major words that’s been spoken has been against you.  So, I break that off of you, and off of your mind, to where that anointing comes on your mind again, on the back of your head to where that it raises up again and we begin to hear those anointed words coming that’s got power in them, for it’s no longer time for the word, it’s time for power.  So, I break the curse off of this body in Jesus name.  I cast this curse down over each and every one of you.  I break the crown of the enemy he’s put on you… that’s… that pressure.  I release you in Jesus name.  And now let the curse be gone from this place.  Let it be gone, for it’s been holding back the breakthrough of the youth… let it now break through and let the youth now break through.  Uh, uh, it’s been, uh, uh, stopping your vision, your faith vision, the enemy’s been closing your eyes, now let your eyes open and let faith come again in you and let you get a faith for God’s purpose in your life from this time forth, in Jesus name….


Lots to comment on, so I will just get started.

I wonder if this is a genuine word, or part of a PR spin, on behalf of Bentley. Jones comes and gives his impriatur and then, just last night (January 8), Mike Bickle of the other new revival at IHOP in Kansas City comes and gives his blessing. Sounds like Rick Joyner was busy getting Bentley’s ducks in order for him before Bentley’s new revival started.

The credulous will hear Bob Jones and think that Todd Bentley is about to launch a laudable, totally fine revival. After all, isn’t Satan hoping to get permission to kill Bentley? That means that Todd has gotta be on the right track, right? After all, this is “Jesus talking”.

I have some doubts. After all, the Bereans were commended (in Acts) for checking out what Paul taught in the Scriptures. And Jesus in the Bible also says to discern the value of things by their “fruit”. I doubt that Jesus would want Christians to dispense with a Bible-based critique done in an attempted spirit of being fair and responsible. This word from Jones discourages these valid things.

Does criticism really have the power to lead to Christian leaders being assassinated? If this were the case, this would be sadly rife in the body of Christ, wouldn’t it? Not a newsworthy exception.

If words are so magical, why did the apostle Paul criticize heretics by name? What about Christ’s criticism of the religious leaders of his day–those “white washed tombs”. Does this mean that Christ put a curse on the Pharisees, which would have lead to their death? (Jones implies that it is a sin for Christians to be rhetorically mean to Bentley, so does this logically mean that Christ sinned too? This would clearly be ridiculous, so there must be a way for Christians to justly critique.)

Does Satan really want to kill Todd Bentley? In a general way, I would concede that Satan might want Bentley dead–but if we look at things in a theologically orthodox way, the devil might be pleased by some of the things that have happened around Bentley and hope that they happen again. (Christ’s remark that it doesn’t make sense for the devil to work against his own purposes comes to mind.)

Personally, I think that God still wants to be gracious to Todd Bentley and allow him to mend his ways. (This does not imply that he should minister.) This is not impossible–just ask Jim Bakker. It should go without saying that I wish him no harm, but the fact that I need to point this out in the face of Jones’ word implies that something is amiss.

The Jones word is designed to intimidate people from looking at what is happening at Fort Mill now. Even Bentley’s friends admit that not all that happened at Lakeland was great. We need to check the fruit of the Joyner-Bentley restoration process. Did Todd learn from Lakeland? Did the restoration process work? Better not publicly wonder that, or else it’s Lee Harvey Oswald time.

If God forbid, Bentley does get hurt, I wonder if Jones wants to plant the idea that Bentley’s critics have created “a climate of hate” that led to this happening. This sort of thing can and does lead to censorship. Or God forbid, an idea that the sniper was inspired to do his deed by a Bentley critic.

(The skittish might decide that in order to make sure that Bentley remains safe, they in turn should remain silent. And that would be a shame.)

This word is handy for Bentley in another way too. It could be a reason to ban the secular and Christian media from covering Bentley and this new revival. Bentley “needs iron-clad” security and can’t allow anyone who could be even critical near him because we have a prophetic word that there is an assassin out there. Reporters won’t be allowed because criticism leads  to a “curse” leading to you know what. Who knows, a gun could be hidden in that TV camera too.

Bentley has sort of prepared the way for this by complaining in his restoration videos that he spent a lot of time “dealing with the media.” at Lakeland. That really wasn’t the case, of course, but it will be a handy reason to not allow reporters nearby.

If you look at the Bible, you’ll recall that Jesus and Paul weren’t afraid of anyone. They faced real threats, not “prophetic ones”, but they faced their critics squarely.

Carrying on to the word itself…

It’s interesting the Jones says that Morningstar itself is under a curse for sheltering Todd. This is not good, as it discourages the Morningstar officials from looking at what they are doing and seeing whether they are making any mistakes. They might then, courtesy of this word, continue to make these mistakes, and wind up hurting the innocent people who are involved with Morningstar.

Jones goes on to say that he has been commanded by Jesus to break the curse over Todd and Jessa Bentley. “The Lord would not have me take this off of Todd and his wife unless there was a major purpose there for them.”

You are intended to think that the Fort Mill revival is part of the “major purpose”. The Fort Mill revival has been pre-approved by God? How handy.

The word also begs the question of what “major purpose” is. You imply that it is evangelism, as this is what Bentley wants to do for a living. Is it? You could infer by Lakeland crashing that perhaps Bentley should try another line of work. What if Bentley is to open a pizza parlor or do something important behind the scenes? There’s not really room for this sort of speculation in this word.

Bob Jones prays for the Bentleys. “Now let the spirit man, the conscience be cleaned….so that the relationship with the Holy Spirit can begin in the right way…”

This is the sort of language that implies that this is something that has not been done and needs to be done. Uh-oh, Bob Jones is off the page. Hasn’t this been happening already, courtesy of Rick Joyner, in that long and extensive restoration process? Wasn’t the entire idea that Bentkey would not return to ministry until he was ready? Well, I think that Bob Jones has mislaid his copy of the script.

Jones prays that Bentley finds his “vision for the future”. Uh, didn’t Todd get his “calling” over 10 years ago with his various visions, as documented in Bentley’s books, that Bentley would be a world famous evangelist? Bob Jones is tossing Bentley under the bus by not going along with Todd’s arguments that he is to return to what he was doing before. Bentley already is supposed to have a vision and prayers led by “god” need to match up with that, or either Bentley or Jones is winging it.

It’s also not helpful for Jones to imply that if you are sick that it is the fault of other Christians, not you taking care of yourself. That is, obviously, wrong. I can imagine people in Jones’ audience attributing their sickness to a “curse” when actually there are physical reasons that should be addressed. I hope that no one really gets sick from listening to Jones.

His prayer for Rick Joyner is interesting too. “….what I want to do is break the curse off of Rick, for some of these major words that’s been spoken has been against you.  So, I break that off of you, and off of your mind, to where that anointing comes on your mind again, on the back of your head to where that it raises up again and we begin to hear those anointed words coming that’s got power in them, for it’s no longer time for the word, it’s time for power….” It’s “no longer time for the word [of God]…should set off alarms.

So Rick Joyner needs to have the “anointing” on his mind again? Well, what was the state of his mind when he was restoring Todd Bentley? What was the state of his mind, for example, when he took an entire video to criticize the media and also the spritual walk and status of Charisma’s Lee Grady after the latter became dismayed with Bentley being restored to ministry too quickly? Was Joyner not wise or godly then? Jones is praying as if Joyner might not have been…and is working without a net again.

The blogger at Slaughter of the Sheep adds some interesting comments of her own. Did you know that Bob Jones has prophetic sneakers? I’ll let her explain.

I have the feeling that whatever happens with Bentley at Fort Mill will rise and fall faster than events at Lakeland. Secular reporters, and even many Christian ones, will say to themselves, “I’ve done this Bentley story before…” So, it is important for many of us who watch and comment on Bentley to do what we are able to, lest he fly under the radar this time. There’s room for everyone.

I think that we’ll need to run a zone defense, if that applies to blogging.

The Truth of Tod Bentley’s Roots

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Canadian Todd Bentley doesn’t look like a minister as some would expect. The 32-year-old openly sports body piercings and tattoos on his arms and neck, which has caused many to question his purpose and motivations.

On April 2, 2008, Bentley was invited by Stephen Strader, pastor of Ignited Church, Lakeland, Florida, to lead a one-week revival. The revival quickly became a religious and media phenomenon, attracting up to 10,000 attendees nightly. It continued after the first week. In addition to showcasing Bentley’s evangelism, the revival features colorful light shows and power-chord Christian rock music.

The Ignited Church quickly hired A New York public relations firm to send out press releases claiming “documented healings.” Information and webcasts were made available via their website and the revival is streamed live via stream – which received over 1 million hits in the first five weeks of transmissions. After the initial weeks, GOD TV, a religious satellite channel, decided to pre-empt its primetime programming and broadcast the Lakeland meetings nightly.

Stepping back to 1998, the FreshFire Ministry Group asked Bentley to give his testimony at one of their weekly meetings. Soon after, Bentley took over the leadership of the group, which became more of a revival movement. He works with and/or otherwise promotes Patricia King of Extreme Prophetic, and he is also very close to aberrant Kansas City prophet Bob Jones, supports Rick Joyner, as well as such churches as the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship. Todd Bentley’s neo-Pentecostalism is Latter Rain influenced and Bentley now claims to have William Branham’s ministry angels helping him.

To understanding Todd Bentley’s origin of power, one must understand the genealogy from which it sprang. William Branham was born in Berksville, Kentucky, in dire poverty. At the age of 5, he heard “A Voice” who directed him to abstain from coffee, smoking and alcohol. This disembodied Voice was later given credit for his unusual healing powers by William himself. William Branham was fascinated with the Zodiac and Egyptian occultism as his mentor was occultist Franklin Hall. Branham’s obsession with the occult is evident even in his death: his grave is marked by a Masonic occult pyramid atop his grave.

He taught his “Serpent Seed” doctrines in the 1950’s, of how Eve had intercourse with the Serpent, and all the seed from Cain are predestined for hell. He even called the handsome serpent the missing link between man and monkey. Branham later declared himself the angel of Rev. 3:13 and 10:7 and prophesied that in 1977, all denominations would be consumed by the Roman Catholics, the rapture would take place and the world would end. Before his death in 1965, his occult healing spirit was transferred to hundreds by the laying on of hands. These people include almost all the major names who operated as “healing” evangelists during that time, and who are still at work today. They took Branham’s mantle through the period known as the Latter Rain, endued by the power of his demonic occult entity. William lived his life in fear and acted under a compulsive-type behavior associated with his life-long demonic oppression.

William Branham is an important figure in modern day charismatic, Pentecostal, and emerging church circles. The reason is that not just his latter rain theology, but also his “spirit”, and (allegedly) his ministering “angels” have been passed onto a new generation of prophets. A “badge” of elitism and favor in the new prophetic movement are those who can boast of having met or seen Branham’s angel. Testimonies to these angelic encounters are included on Todd Bentley’s website. Paul Cain, closely linked with William Branham, as well as claiming he works directly with Branham’s angels in a similar manner to Branham. It is he who passed the power onto John Wimber and his Vineyard with the prophetic spirit which in turn infected the multi denominational wider church through the Toronto Blessing.

The beginnings of the prophetic movement goes back many decades. In the 40’s there was a flurry of activity. Between 1947 and 1957, the so-called “Healing Revival” led by Oral Roberts, T.L. Osborn, A.A. Allen, Jack Coe, and Orval Jaggers enveloped America often with large tent campaigns. William Branham was the central figure in this era. But he also became a catalyst for the contemporary Pentecostal Movement we call the Latter-Rain. It appeared in Canada and was given the blessing of Branham who actually laid hands on the Canadian leaders of the Latter-Rain. The Latter-Rain had developed an entirely new end-time teaching of “salvation history.” The Latter Rain is where the so-called ‘Toronto Blessing’ began. The movement is characterized by a plethora of unorthodox teachings and questionable practices — encouraged and promoted by alleged ‘words,’ ‘prophecies’ and ‘visions’ from God, and accompanied by anything from outbreaks of uncontrollable laughter, people acting as if they were drunk, and claims of having received gold dust or other ’supernatural signs’ from God. Bentley’s teachings and practices place his ministry squarely among the controversial renewal and revival movements.

Another figure in the healing movement who was to have a profound impact on the development of the “healing tradition” or movement within Pentecostalism and, by implication, the Charismatic movement, was Mariah Woodworth-Etter. She was a forerunner of people like Aimee Semple Macpherson, Kathryn Kuhlmann, Oral Roberts, Paul Cain, and scores of other Pentecostals and Charismatic’s who have the so called “anointing”. Woodworth-Etter was no ordinary “woman preacher.” Indeed, the argument can be made that her powers, which were potent and real, bore more resemblance to those acquired by the Shamans and Magicians of primitive cultures, who are able, on occasion, to wield tremendous preternatural powers; such powers can be executed even over certain geographical regions. People being “struck down along the highways,” who happened to be in the vicinity of this woman does not testify to her being anointed by the power of the Holy Spirit, but more likely to the fact that she was able, through the power of suggestion, manipulation, or diabolical intervention to project power. Woodworth-Etter, as is well documented, would preach to Quakers, Mormons, and Universalists. She primarly considered scripture secondary to her gifts, which is the primary marker of a cult mentality. “Trance Evangelist” like Woodworth-Etter, as well meaning as they may have been, precipitated a different gospel by confusing the seeking after “power” with the following of Jesus.

Paul Cain met the leadership of the Kansas City prophets in 1990 led by Mike Bickle. Bickle, Jones and others in Kansas City, received him as their “spiritual father” and he was recognized as the chief among all the prophets. At this point the Vineyard movement, led by the late John Wimber, stepped in and took Bickle’s church and the prophets into the Vineyard movement. Not long after this the Toronto Vineyard church introduced the world to the “Toronto Blessing” with all it’s strange phenomena. Bob Jones, a controversial Kansas City prophet, Jim Goll, Rick Joyner, and John Paul Jackson, now Vineyard prophets, endorsed the Toronto phenomenon. Later there was a cross-fertilization (their term) with similar movements linking others with this orbit, including C. Peter Wagner and his apostles and prophets of the New Apostolic Reformation, who include Cindy Jacobs, Dutch Sheets, Chuck Pierce, Ted Haggard, and others.

Michael Horton, who wrote “The Agony of Deceit,” which documents fraud among televangelists, said at an interview, “I have not yet encountered a ‘faith healer’ who failed to preach a different gospel than the one that we find clearly presented in the New Testament.” Many of the faithful are understandably grieved by this bold resurfacing of Apostolic/Third Wave/Latter Rain teaching, which is a mix of New Age teachings and altered Pentecostal methodologies.

Even those sympathetic to Pentecostal theology are apprehensive. Mark Balmer, pastor of the 8,000-person Calvary Church in nearby Melbourne, FL, received so many questions about Bentley that he finally spoke up. He said he believes “in all the gifts for today, including healing.” He also asserted: “We are not heresy hunters.” He nonetheless told his congregation “not to attend this counterfeit revival.” Lee Grady of Charisma magazine said “Charismatic and Pentecostal leaders are divided over its legitimacy.”

As background information, Todd Bentley is relatively a new Christian with no formal training or experience in the exposition of scripture. Bentley openly acknowledges the rougher parts of his juvenile past, including his near-fatal drug overdoses, criminal burglaries, assault, physical abuse of his mother and several stints in prison. In 2001, an article in a secular, conservative political magazine called The Report, prompted a mother to reveal about his molesting her 7 year old boy when Todd was 14. Bentley admitted to The Report “I was involved in a sexual-assault ring.” Lieutenant Jeff Johnston, a Salvation Army pastor in Port Alberni, B.C said “It’s one thing to be forgiving, it’s another thing to be stupid,” Lieut. Johnston says. “If you, as a pastor, had someone in your church ministry who had been involved in these things and they ever re-offended, the fact that you knew and didn’t disclose it to parents, take every precaution, would be a huge liability issue.” Christians realize that a soul can be saved by grace from any sin, however he personally claims that he was demon possessed after having been born-again, which poses a problem considering his self-acclaimed position.

A visit to one of Bentley’s services suggests that he knows how to turn the big crowds into big money. ATM machines were set up alongside food booths, providing attendees with readily available cash for the offering plate and book purchases. At Todd’s revivals, he sells “anointed” handkerchiefs, and takes money from people so that he may pray over them. This is normal with the people on the Elijah list, who believe God condones taking money from people so that they can prophesy over them.

Todd wrote on the website in 2003 “Now let me talk about an angelic experience with Emma. Twice Bob Jones asked me about this angel that was in Kansas City in 1980: “Todd, have you ever seen the angel by the name of Emma?” He asked me as if he expected that this angel was appearing to me. Surprised, I said, “Bob, who is Emma?” He told me that Emma was the angel that helped birth and start the whole prophetic movement in Kansas City in the 1980s. She was a mothering-type angel that helped nurture the prophetic as it broke out. Within a few weeks of Bob asking me about Emma, I was in a service in Beulah, North Dakota. In the middle of the service I was in conversation with Ivan and another person when in walks Emma. As I stared at the angel with open eyes, the Lord said, “Here’s Emma.” I’m not kidding. She floated a couple of inches off the floor. It was almost like Kathryn Khulman in those old videos when she wore a white dress and looked like she was gliding across the platform. Emma appeared beautiful and young-about 22 years old-but she was old at the same time. She seemed to carry the wisdom, virtue and grace of Proverbs 31 on her life.”

Without any exception that I have found, every questionable spiritual movement is marked by intervening Angels giving guidance, not necessarily God’s Word or the Holy Spirit of Truth. Muhammad, Joseph Smith, Jose Luis De Jesus Miranda, Jerry and Esther Hicks, Rhonda Byrne, Helen Schucman, JZ Knight… the list is long for those who are popular and have spirit guides from the fallen realm. Bob Jones and Todd Bentley and their spirit guide “Emma” are no different. Todd attributes his “miracles” according to his own testimony, is from an angel that he says is called “Emma”. It should be interesting to note, in the book of angels, Emma (Imma Ila’ah, feminine, in the Kabbalah) means “Embrace Everything.” Also closely related, another name used is “Emma-O“, which in Japanese mythology means “King of Hell” or Satan.

Todd’s progressive “body suit,” which is a term for a complete body tattoo, is covered with Japanese symbols, occultism and Christian depictions. Shown in this photo is the warrior Apollo, who in mythology and alchemy, his spiritual and symbolic significance is identical with that of the sun. The spreading golden hairs which crown the god’s head have the same meaning as the bow and arrow (sun rays). The Greek name for Apollo is Apollon, which means ‘from the depths of the lion”. Apollon was the great Olympian god of prophecy, oracles, healing, and the aversion of plague and general harm. He is also call Apollyon in scripture, or Hebrew “Abaddon” (Rev. 9:11) also identified as the king of the demonic “locusts” described in Rev. 9:3-10. The locust was a delivery method of this god, who poisoned his victims. Why would Todd choose to embellish a fierce god of destruction on his body?

One of the tattoos that have puzzled people are the three large Japanese Kanji symbols on his left arm. Eternal Path turned to expert Takanori Tomita, a native speaker of Japanese and fluent in English, who translates Kanji, Hiragana, and Katakana Symbols. Kanji are ideographic characters. Each Kanji character represents an entire object, idea, or meaning in a visual character(s). Many Kanji characters are similar to each other, and some can have different meanings depending on context. The first letter on Todd’s arm means DAI=Big or Great, the middle one EI=Protect or Defend, the last one OU=King or Monarch. In Japanese, DAIOU is often added to provide honor to the subject of mention. In proper order, it would seem to read “Protect Great King,” however not only is the order wrong, but the character in the middle is incorrectly rendered. Furthermore, even if the middle character is used at the top, there’s no such word combination like “Protect the Great King”. It doesn’t make any sense in Japanese even if the order of the characters are corrected and the middle character is properly written. It is not unusual for Western tattoo translations to be in error. The middle symbol does not represent the Chinese character “David” in this context, as is widely speculated.

Alex Mizuno, another individual versed in Japanese tradition and writing styles, who produces Japanese documentaries, revealed that there is a Japanese word “Emma Daioh” which means “Emma, the Great King”, which is used very commonly in his culture. This God is sometimes simply called “Emma-sama (sama is added for respect)” or “Emma.” Buddhists recognize Emma-sama as Yama, who rules the spirits of the dead in Naraku (hell). He said Todd’s erred tattoo was in favor of the latter translation. The tongues of flame accenting the Kanji symbols also support his position depicting the god of Naraku.

After Todd’s alleged conversion, he had tattooed under his arm a depiction of Jesus’ crucified upside-down face with a subliminal monkey in the beard. Above the tip of the head, is a tattoo of what is said to be Oni, a “Buddhist guardian devil” of Hell. An argument is lifted up against Todd’s ongoing tattoo additions. Under the old law, it was written:”You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the LORD.” Leviticus 19:28. Even though Christian’s are not under the law to fulfill righteousness, as they are saved by grace, they are to uphold it (Romans 3:31). The question has been asked, why does Todd continue to add graffiti to his body in opposition to the Biblical standard?

The leaders of this revival in question have fruits that should be examined. For example, Bob Jones “was removed from the Vineyard Anaheim because of sexual improprieties, which consisted of encouraging women to undress in his office so they could stand ‘naked before the Lord’ in order to receive a ‘word.’” I am sure as a man; he was moved by pure motivations. Todd “Bam” Bentley runs and kicks people in the stomach with metastatic stage IV colon cancer while ignoring children lined up in wheelchairs, who hope in vain that the revival is real and they might get healed. Instead people leave in a hypnotic state from the charismatic frenzy. Similar events are plaguing Asia, thanks to the West’s influence (video – video).

Some attendees speak of new oppressions and those who purported to be healed from a malignant condition die shortly thereafter anyway. It has been questioned by some critics of Todd’s ministry, all Biblical divine healings lasted for the rest of the person’s natural life, why doesn’t his? Todd and those serving with him claim documentation to support numerious healings, 50,000 in 90 days, however when pressed by Geraldo Rivera on FoxNews (video) and ABC Nightline (P1 – P2), nothing has been provided to date, despite Todd’s promise to reveal proof.

In Jesus’ time, healings were not debated over as if they were legitimate. It was undeniable and plainly evident to all, skeptics and believers alike. In Matthew 11:5, Jesus was recording as responding to John the Baptists question “Are you the one who was to come, or should we expect someone else?” Christ responded, “The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is preached to the poor.” No regenerative miracles are evident at Todd’s revival, despite his claims, however some non-regenerative type healings are reported.

How does one explain minor healings if there is in fact a question regarding the authenticity of Todd’s manifestations? We are warned explicitly in Scripture that the devil transforms himself into an angel of light”, and that in the last days will come ‘Lying signs and wonders’ that will “deceive if possible the very elect.” Paranormal healing has been in existence in the world since the creation, performed by shaman and faith healers. It is the oldest healing art. But the problem with this type of healing is that it is a lying wonder and opens the door to demonic influence, demonization, even possession. A lying wonder is not necessarily a false wonder or false miracle, but it is, more importantly, a miracle claimed to be from God but whose source is really from the realm of darkness. This type of healing leads the person into bondage to the enemy, symptoms that some recipients have reporting under Todd’s revival.

Rev. Jeff White, a pastor at a local Missionary church in Lakeland, heard so much talk about Todd Bentley and the revival tent that he wanted to see it for himself. He struggled with what he saw. “I’ve had to fight skepticism and cynicism because I truly believe that God heals. I really believe his powers are real and it is for today,” White said. “I can’t say that my spirit enters in and joins in with some of the things we’ve seen here tonight.”

Attaining a trance-like state as many do at these revivals, doesn’t immediately reveal anything about the origin of the manifestation. Every spiritual manifestation can have one of three different origins (divine, demonic or human). The discerning of spirits is necessary to identify the origin. Because the same manifestation, like falling down and shaking violently or tongues for example, can be caused either by God’s Spirit, by a demonic influence or merely by the person’s own propagations. Trances, prophetic ecstasy and manifestations are expounded from both the Old and New Testament. Interesting occurrences of ecstasy can be found in the biblical stories of Adam, Abraham, David and Saul, Daniel, Peter, and Paul.

Undisputedly, there have been revivals in Europe and other parts of the world since the Early Church. A very long time before John Wesley, Jonathan Edwards, Smith Wigglesworth or the Pentecostal awakening, Europe has experienced the gifts of the Holy Spirit, healing, deliverance, manifestations of the Holy Spirit. The gifts and manifestations of the Holy Spirit have been present non-stop since the Apostles. Church history clearly reveals this fact. However, a believer must be wise as a serpent, but gentle as a dove regarding the testimony of the leaders of such movements, comparing their words and actions to the Word of God. We are to test all things and hold fast to what is good.

Much of what is touted as Spiritual anointing by the charismatics is merely the awakening of the Kundalini by means of ancient occult methods. Kundalini is a well known occult practice, deriving its origin from India. It involves bodily manifestations as a consequence to the ‘Awakening of the Kundalini.’ This is not a mystical fabrication or belief system, but a practice that is strongly promoted by the New Age Movement (2006 Article Here). The Kundalini awakening does contain the most unbelievable expanded states of reality, enlightenment, and absolute ecstasy and it is extremely contagious. However, like crack stimulates dopamine, a Kundalini awakening opens wide a person’s spiritual core, removing safeguards placed by the Creator. The end results can traumatize one’s spiritual fabric, leaving a soul scarred for life.

At the beginning of the Florida Outpouring, Todd claimed that God had requested that he lay hands on everyone present for ten nights of special transfer or impartation. This power in the occult is called the shaktipat. “Shakti” means power or energy, and “pat” means transfer. Kundalini awakening or (shaktipat) is the infusion of energy from the spiritual master to the seeker, bringing about the awakening of the seeker’s own inherent spiritual power, called “Kundalini.” Todd described this transferable “anointing” as the most contagious he had ever experienced. He said “I used to feel the anointing in my hand; now I feel it in my spine.” It is true that the occult Kundalini awakening does indeed start in the lower spine.

The meetings which mystic Hindu gurus hold are called ‘Darshan’. At these meetings devotees go forward to receive spiritual experience from a touch by the open palm of the hand, often to the forehead, by the guru in what is known as the Shakti Pat or divine touch. In a group setting, the transfer of this power will spread like fire to all in attendance who are mentally open and receive the touch which results in all manner of physical manifestations. Involuntary bodily movements; jerking, tremors, shaking; spontaneous vocalizations; burning sensation; sounds in the head; confusion and stupor; gyrating and pulsating; or when slain, unable to move. These manifestations are called ‘Kriyas’ by the Hindus. Often devotees move on to higher states of spiritual consciousness and become inert physically and appear to slip into unconscious stupor. This state is called ‘Samadhi’ and it leads to a deeper spiritual experience. The Buddhist suttas mention that samadhi practitioners may develop supernormal powers that can lead to very uncomfortable occult manifestations.

There will be many false workers, or many “Who are called by His name”, but very few will be genuinely authentic, this is just the facts (Matthew 7:22). The anointed servant are those who work without seeking recognition or fanfare as Christ and the Apostles humbly served. The Holy Spirit filled doesn’t seek fame, recognition, money and may never be known, such is the humble and contrite of heart. Those of the Pharisee spirit, egocentric and endued by principalities and powers, seek an exuberant audience, accolades, affirmation, financial gain and make a spectacle of the precious gifts of God like a side show circus. Those given to the extreme charismatic (emotional or fleshly) bent are susceptible prey to these types of leaders, whereas such is the power of hypnotic manipulation through the drone of their voice.

Let us stop for a moment and ponder, least we forget, “God is not the author of confusion, but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints.” 1 Cor. 14:33. The Lord told Elijah to stand on the mountain “Then a great and powerful wind tore the mountains apart and shattered the rocks before the LORD, but the LORD was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earthquake, but the LORD was not in the earthquake. After the earthquake came a fire, but the LORD was not in the fire. And after the fire came a gentle whisper. When Elijah heard it, he pulled his cloak over his face…” 1 Kings 19:11-13. God’s spirit does not reside in chaos or the dramatic shaking of the physical, His Spirit dwells in the quiet, gentle, calm, and peaceful.

A. W. Tozer sums it up perfectly in his normal etiquette and precision: “Many tender-minded Christians fear to sin against love by daring to inquire into anything that comes wearing the cloak of Christianity and breathing the name of Jesus. They dare not examine the credentials of the latest prophet to hit their town lest they be guilty of rejecting something which may be of God. They timidly remember how the Pharisees refused to accept Christ when He came, and they do not want to be caught in the same snare, so they either reserve judgment or shut their eyes and accept everything without question. This is supposed to indicate a high degree of spirituality. But in sober fact it indicates no such thing. It may indeed be evidence of the absence of the Holy Spirit. Gullibility is not synonymous with spirituality. Faith is not a mental habit leading its possessor to open his mouth and swallow everything that has about it the color of the supernatural. Faith keeps its heart open to whatever is of God, and rejects everything that is not of God, however wonderful it may be. Try the spirits is a command of the Holy Spirit to the Church. We may sin as certainly by approving the spurious as by rejecting the genuine. And the current habit of refusing to take sides is not the way to avoid the question. To appraise things with a heart of love and then to act on the results is an obligation resting upon every Christian in the world. And the more as we see the day approaching.”

A.W. Tozer: Discernment

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I have the following on another post, but have put it here for easier and speedier reading. It bears repeating.

A. W. Tozer sums it up perfectly in his normal etiquette and precision: “Many tender-minded Christians fear to sin against love by daring to inquire into anything that comes wearing the cloak of Christianity and breathing the name of Jesus. They dare not examine the credentials of the latest prophet to hit their town lest they be guilty of rejecting something which may be of God. They timidly remember how the Pharisees refused to accept Christ when He came, and they do not want to be caught in the same snare, so they either reserve judgment or shut their eyes and accept everything without question. This is supposed to indicate a high degree of spirituality. But in sober fact it indicates no such thing. It may indeed be evidence of the absence of the Holy Spirit. Gullibility is not synonymous with spirituality. Faith is not a mental habit leading its possessor to open his mouth and swallow everything that has about it the color of the supernatural. Faith keeps its heart open to whatever is of God, and rejects everything that is not of God, however wonderful it may be. Try the spirits is a command of the Holy Spirit to the Church. We may sin as certainly by approving the spurious as by rejecting the genuine. And the current habit of refusing to take sides is not the way to avoid the question. To appraise things with a heart of love and then to act on the results is an obligation resting upon every Christian in the world. And the more as we see the day approaching.”

“I actually live about 45 minutes away from Lakeland, FL where Todd Bentley has set up his camp. Though I did not see him personally, I went just yesterday to Ignited Church that he is connected with. I visited a 10 am service that occurs daily, and there were probably 1,000 people there. Keep in mind that I am a worship leader/young adult pastor at a large non-denominational church, and consider myself a charismatic with a seatbelt on. I do believe in the spiritual gifts, including tongues, prophecy (which I have), and miracles or healing. I prayed to God to let me have an open mind, and for His Holy Spirit to guide me in worship and also in discernment. As I entered the lobby/ cafe area I noticed something right away: No one greeted me and there were no crosses or anything that made me feel like I was at a Christian church. As I walked into the main worship area (that had no hint of anything Christian) the music had just begun and was very hypnotic, building up with chants in tongues by the worship leader and his other vocalists. Right away I felt like I was at a Hindu, Buddhist, or New Age meeting. It was creepy to say the least. Again I prayed to God to help me have an open mind, but I was very distracted by people speaking in a deluge of tongues, and dancing around through the rows of seats. The music went on for about an hour, with the worship leader laughing and jerking uncontrollably, and chanting in tongues between singing and playing a piano. A man then came on stage to introduce a prophetess who was to bring a message from God, a prophecy that she had been given for the church. She immediately began by speaking in tongues, and calling down the glory of God into the room. By this time the congregation had been worked into a frenzy from an hour of hypnotic music and babbling tongues, and was crying out and shaking, and laughing, and crying, and screaming, and dancing, it was all going crazy at once. Again I tried to pray and ask God to help me have an open mind and discernment. It was tough to hear God, to feel God through all the chaos…but then the Spirit quickened a word to me. He reminded me of what Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 14 about orderly worship. It was then that I left that “church” building as quickly as possible…”
Pastor Mike Kendall ~ The Gathering Quote used by permission for

“Eternal Path, thank you for the honest and correct discernment about the Lakeland Revival. I know all of these people you have mentioned and you are very correct. I laid hands on Baptist pastors Wes and Stacy Campbell for the Baptism of the Holy Spirit of which they and their leadership received. Shortly after, they joined a Vineyard church where they began to get involved in all the stuff they are currently into. I have watched these people become more and more deceived and have humbly approached them about it. They want nothing to do with me anymore. Todd was a baby Christian with a testimony when he went into full time ministry. After being touched by Todd and Bob Jones, young people have become oppressed by demon spirits which torment them with intense fear. I have had to pray over and lay hands on a number young people in spiritual bondage. It required deliverance of their minds and a healing of their souls that had been opened up to the evil spiritual realm. I have preached against these antics for years now and have endured much persecution. Bob Jones is said to astral travel into women’s closed rooms when they are undressing. I have had several come to me with that traumatic experience. I could go on and on, but I just want to say “Thank You” for speaking truth and know that you are in my prayers. Some of these people are dangerous, they are known to sending evil curses against those who oppose them, Bob Jones in particular. He has mentored Todd and most of the others also. They became spiritually damaged after traveling with him. Stick to your message and let’s pray that God will bring a true revival of Jesus, the cross, holiness, and repentance to the USA. Thank you for your comments about William Branham. I always discerned his gifts as false, coming from familiar spirits and healing demons. I am 70 years old and have watched this movement grow and grow over the last 40 years. You have been raised up by God for such a time as this. For so long, I did not hear a voice but mine in opposition to this deception, now I am hearing many and you are one. Thank You!”
Rev. Jesse Starr ~ Dallas, Texas Letter used by permission for

Pastor Jon Speed:

As of August 2008, the Canadian preacher announced the end of his visits to Lakeland, he told his staff that his marriage is ending. Without blaming the pace of the revival for Bentley’s personal problems, his board released a public statement saying that he and his wife, Shonnah, are separating. The news shocked Bentley’s adoring fans and saddened those who have questioned his credibility since the Lakeland movement erupted in early April 2008. One can only pray that Bentley responds humbly to a process of stepping out of ministry for a season of rehabilitation.

We are weathering an unprecedented season of moral failure and spiritual compromise in our nation today. Those in they way of discerning faith still believe that God desires to visit our nation in supernatural power. We know He wants to heal multitudes, and we must continue to pray for a healing revival to sweep across the United States. But we must contend for the genuine, not an imitation. True revival will be accompanied by brokenness, humility, reverence and repentance—not the arrogance, showmanship and empty hype that often was on display in Lakeland. Let’s pray that God will turn this embarrassing debacle into an opportunity for miraculous restoration.

“Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.” Psalm 119:104

“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” 1 John 4:1

“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” Matthew 7:15

“At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time.” Matthew 24:23-25

“For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.” Jude 1:4

“But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons.” 1 Timothy 4:1

“But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them bringing swift destruction upon themselves. Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.” 2 Peter 2:1-3

“I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them.” Acts 20:29-30

“See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ. Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.” Colossians 2:8, 18-19

Peter Wagner and other false leaders


What are you going to do when you see the truth before your very eyes? Will you continue to prop up the likes of these heretics; making excuses for them? Please, consider what you do.


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