I have had it with wimpy christianity. You know the type; the kind that smiles and looks attractive while appeasing liars and deceivers, the kind that calls evil good for the sake of peace, the kind that never confronts evil–because it just might hurt someone’s feelings; or not sale their new Bible.
I’m talking about the Osteens whom Larry King interviewed. Part of sickening transcript follows:
Larry King: Since you were last on, we have sworn in our first African-American president. What are your impressions [of Barack Obama]?
Joel Osteen: Well, I think he’s doing a great job. I’m impressed with his skill, his calmness, his just strength under pressure. These are tough times for him.
King: And you, Victoria?
Victoria Osteen: I’ve been really impressed. In fact, I’ve been impressed [with] the first lady. She stepped up, and she’s done a remarkable job.
RedeemedHippie>>>[Remarkable job? Impressed? Such appalling appeasement! What part is great? The part where Obama is leading this nation down the road to socialism? Perhaps, it is where he believes having a baby out of wedlock is a punishment? How about Obama being the most liberal advocate of abortion? Is it great that he wants to force all doctors to give abortions?
What on earth is wrong with today’s christianity?! Whyoh why do those in the star studded American Idol church not speak out against evil and wickedness? I can understand not wanting to rock the boat, (though I don’t agree with it) but for crying out loud DON’T GO ON NATIONAL T.V. AND DECLARE LIES! DON’T WATER DOWN THE GOSPEL JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE AFRAID OF NOT BEING ESTEEMED BY MEN!
King: Recent polls show 12 percent of Americans still believe Obama is a Muslim, and 35 percent say they don’t know his religion, but to most of them it don’t matter. Should it matter?
Joel Osteen: Well, it matters to me. It matters to me that I know he loves the Lord, and I think it’s important that he has convictions from his faith. So to me, it matters when I’m making my personal decisions.
King: Does it matter to you, Victoria?
Victoria Osteen: It does. It matters to me. … I believe he is a Christian.
RedeemedHippie>>>[What kind of discernment do these people have?! Are they truly lacking in it or are they such appeasers that they would dare to compromise the truth for their own gain? Either way, people need to be warned about these cotton candy gospel milktoasts.]
King: The “Hope for Today Bible.” This is a new Bible [from you]. How is this different from other Bibles?
Joel Osteen: It’s a living translation of the Bible, which is an easy version to read. And then it’s got our notes besides certain passages. And it’s just to help people maybe to understand the Bible a little bit easier.
RedeemedHippie>>>[Ah, there it is. Hocking their new Bible.]
Victoria Osteen on the Word of God and being a christian : I’ve lived out to the best of my ability the Word of god and. He’s uh, it’s just blessed my life. It’s been a great standard to live by. I think, you know what, it has put love in the inside of me, it changes me…”
Larry King: It works for you.
Victoria: It works for me.
Redeemedhippie>>>[This is such New Age mindset. Not to say watered down. Anybody anywhere can point to anything and say it works for me. The pagan can say their beliefs work for them, the hindu can say their beliefs work for them, etc. The gospel is not a matter of something working. What if it doesn’t work for someone, then is it flawed? No. It is not a means to an end. But this is exactly what the modern day church uses it for. Not once was Jesus mentioned in saving her soul. Something no other belief can do. For shame! Not once was the truth mentioned about being a rotten sinner saved from hell. This gospel does NOT work in Africa where thousands are starving, it does NOT work in nations where brothers and sisters in the Lord are in prison for the truth faith. Repent for this false gospel you preach! Osteens
King: Do you think that eventually many more states are going to allow same-sex marriage?
Joel Osteen: You know, I don’t know where it’s all going … I’d love to see it stay between a male and a female, not knocking anybody else.
RedeemedHippie>>>[Does not know where it is going? The Word of God says in the last days evil will abound. How can he not know where it is going?! Not knocking anybody. In other words; do your own thing, I don’t care about your soul enough to tell you it is wrong.]
King: Supposing there were more states that had it. What would be the harm? If this continues do you think this will harm things?
Joel Osteen: Will it undermine the basis of society? I don’t know…
RedeemedHippie>>>[He doesn’t know?! 1 Corinthians 10:6-8: Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted. And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.” Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell.]
King: In the new issue of Newsweek, the lead story by Jon Meacham is “The Decline and Fall of Christian America.” Just off the premise of that headline, do you accept that? That Christian America is in trouble?
Joel Osteen: I’m trying to think where he’s coming from. … I see faith in America at an all-time high.
RedeemedHippie>>>[Really? Jesus said He will wonder if there is even faith on the earth when He returns. So how can faith be at such an all-time high on the earth? There isn’t. Rather there is apostacy and wickedness abounding.]
Joel Osteen: …People are hungry for hope, hungry for faith.
RedeemedHippie>>>[There is a difference in hungering for truth and Jesus over hope and faith. The Osteens never once addressed this.]
King: What do you make of these mass shootings?
Joel Osteen: You know, it’s really sad. People get deranged. People get confused. … I believe there are dark forces in our world. There are evil forces that, unfortunately, we can give into. And some of it is just from depression, just that mental illness.
RedeemedHippie>>>[He does not call it sin.]
King: Do you pray for them, Victoria? The shooters?
Victoria Osteen: Oh, absolutely. You’ve got to pray for them. They’re obviously tormented. They’re deceived and not cherishing life. … So yeah, we do pray for them.
RedeemedHippie>>>[Not cherishing life? As in murdering their victims or as in not loving your life as her book is all about? If they would just love life they would be ok? Why do you not call it as it is? Wickedness and sin!]
King: We’ve had a mass depression in this country, recession. Do you think that might be at the core of some of these things?
Victoria Osteen: I think it is. When you’ve lost your job and you’ve just been beaten down and you don’t see any future, it’s easy to start letting those negative thoughts play. … You don’t have anything to live for. It’s never going to get any better. And I think that if you don’t watch it, you’ll just spiral down and down and down.
RedeemedHippie>>>[No! Negative thoughts have nothing to do with it. Being a rotten sinner on your way to hell has everything to do with poeple shooting people. Mankind is depraved and wicked. Man needs to repent for their wickedness against a holy God. Man needs to be born again, washed in the blood of the Lamb.]
And that is why we feel so strongly about just giving people hope. Even at your lowest moment, you never know what God can do. He can turn any situation around. You can be just one night from getting the break you need, getting the job you want.
Redeemedhippie>>>[Not telling people they need a Savior is about as low as you can get in trepresenting the gospel. It is not love to not tell your full truth. It is not love to let the wicked believe they are somehow ok with God. The Osteen’s may look attractive. They may speak nice words. But they are not true shepherds. True shepherds can see the wolf and would give their life for the sheep!
If you are someone who has loved the Osteens and after seeing this can somehow still excuse their lack of convictions, do not be angry with me. You need to ask yourself do you really want to see the truth or do you like to have your ears tickled.]
Video of the interview can be seen here: http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/08/lkl.osteens/index.html#cnnSTCVideo